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bhasser
01-21-2012, 11:30 AM
I am back in WI and in the market for another boat. I have owned MC, Malibu & CC but it has been awhile since looking so I am not familiar with all the differences between the boat. Ideally I am looking for:

21-23' boat
V-Drive
Perfect Pass
Under 250 hours
Under $40k

We mainly ski but our kids 8,5,2 might want to get into wakesurfing/boarding in the future. I started to look for a Maristar or Sunscape without the tower but 90% of boats have the tower on them now. I am not opposed to the tower however it must EASILY go up and down as we have a low bridge we need to go under 2x per day. Also, I am 6'0" tall and I don't want to have to duck walking under it. Any advice or boats for sale would be appreciated. If there are any specific models you recommend with the tower that fits my criteria let me know as well. Thanks

mikeg205
01-21-2012, 01:28 PM
'04 X-star...and I am sure you can take them down..

http://www.actionwater.com/boats/preowned-boats/

good people...

email dirkd@pinelaikeskischool.com they are part of action sports...

bhasser
01-21-2012, 02:06 PM
Thanks, when working with dealers, what is the typicaly movement in price from the asking price? Also, what is the best reference to know what to pay. NADA seems off to me.

Jerseydave
01-21-2012, 02:13 PM
http://www.mastercraft.com/market/showproduct.php?product=4275&cat=6

X-1 is one of the best all-around hulls for skiing, boarding, surfing. This one has very low hours on it too. My buddy had the same boat, it was great for all of the above.
The tower is a must if your kids will get into wakeboarding someday, plus it's great to keep boards and skis up out of the way.

You could also look for a Maristar 210 or 230 (X-10 or X-30) but the slalom ski wake will be larger although still good for recreational skiing. Tons of room/storage in these boats as well.

Jerseydave
01-21-2012, 02:17 PM
Thanks, when working with dealers, what is the typicaly movement in price from the asking price? Also, what is the best reference to know what to pay. NADA seems off to me.

Look at comparable boats for sale. Check http://www.onlyinboards.com/ and boattrader.com

Sometimes dealers won't haggle much on used boats if they are priced right to start with....the used boat market seems pretty strong right now.

mikeg205
01-21-2012, 02:57 PM
Thanks, when working with dealers, what is the typicaly movement in price from the asking price? Also, what is the best reference to know what to pay. NADA seems off to me.

Forget NADA on the boat prices...I have a '95 and I have seen some sell for $15 - NADA shows about half. Prices on used appear to be rising... The folks at Action Sports are good people and I know Dirk from the ski school.

The typical movement would probably be based on if you can write a check on the spot. I paid $10K for my 95 in 2010 and as mentioned above the prices are up. On a another thread there was a discussion about it...New boats have increased in price and sales are way down... which is pulling used prices up. Dealers make much more money on used so more room to negotiate.

Good Luck...and be patient...

JohnE
01-21-2012, 08:32 PM
You want an x1 or x15 if you are looking for a mc to do what you describe.

bhasser
01-22-2012, 12:58 AM
what are the main differences between the x1 and x15, the both seem to be about the same size. I am sure the hull is different or something, just a newbie on the x_series. Also, any particular tower I should avoid or look for that is easy up down and won't bump our head walking under. Another question, some have the pickle front front end, is the ride different in these boat and what is the overall consensus as if that design is good or not? Thanks for all the info, I appreciate the guidance.

Jerseydave
01-22-2012, 02:03 AM
what are the main differences between the x1 and x15, the both seem to be about the same size. I am sure the hull is different or something, just a newbie on the x_series. Also, any particular tower I should avoid or look for that is easy up down and won't bump our head walking under. Another question, some have the pickle front front end, is the ride different in these boat and what is the overall consensus as if that design is good or not? Thanks for all the info, I appreciate the guidance.

They are not the same size at all. The X-15 is a foot longer than the X-1, has a wider beam and more freeboard too. Interior is much larger with more storage, has a great surf wake and really good wakeboard wake. Actually the X-15 excells at everything over the X-1 except for slalom wake.......and price. I doubt you will find an X-15 in your price range.
The towers on either of these boats should be pretty easy to fold down, and have enough clearance so you won't need to duck. Tower speakers will reduce your head clearance however.

Models with a pickle fork bow are the '03-newer X-star, X-25, X-35, X-45, X-80 and most if not all of these are well over $40K used. That style bow has nothing to do with the ride because they are still a mono-hull design, not a tri-hull like the boats in the 70's and 80's. A deeper V or sharper keel will give a better ride than a flatter hull (like a prostar)

bhasser
01-22-2012, 11:12 AM
Thanks for the info Jersey Dave. We went to the local Malibu dealership yesterday and checked out what they had as well as the axis models. Didn't like the axis at all and they didn't have any used models so it is hard to know what to look for and watch out so you can narrow it down before driving several hours to look at one. We are planning a trip to Michigan the 2nd week of Feb just visit several dealerships that have ones that llok like they will meet what we are looking for. Trying to buy one before spring. Thanks again.

jafo9
01-22-2012, 02:29 PM
i've been looking for quite some time and i can't comment on the tower but i can comment on your price range. mine is lower, but i usually look above my price limit in case i find someone who is desparate to move their boat. i don't recall seeing any x-15's in that range. you could get the x1 hull which is called the xstar up to and including 2002, then it became the x2, and then in 06 (iirc) it became the x1. basically its the 205v hull. its a great hull but its not very roomy. my kids are 12, 10, 7 and we usually carry 2 dogs so we decided that hull was probably too small for us after being in one. you could easily find a 1st gen (01-05) x10 or x30 in that price range. they won't ski as well as the 205v hull, but a lot more family friendly. another consideration may be the 2nd gen x30. its definitely not a primary ski boat, but its well laid out and i've come across a few just below 40K. occasionally i'll see a 03+ xstar in the high 30's or low 40's. i've also seen one or two x45 at that price point. however, neither of them are primary ski boats.

for the 1st gen x10 or x30, years 01-04 used the 2nd gen zero flex tower and 05 got the 3rd gen with the swivel racks. for 01 and 02 the biggest motor usually optioned was the LTR 330HP. for 03-05 most of the x30's have the MCX which is 350HP. the x10's i've seen were split between the RTP1 and the MCX. the RTP1 is 310HP (iirc).

MIskier
01-22-2012, 04:19 PM
No one has mentioned a pickle fork X2 while shorter than the 21' it is far roomier than an X1 and it should be possible to find in the 40k range nicely equipped. The X2 will be the second most versatile boat to the X1. It is also worth mentioning the Prostar 214/ 214V since he did state the majority of what they do is ski.

If you are planning a trip to Michigan I hope that you have talked to the guys at Action Water Sports, they have a great sales staff that is incredibly knowledgeable about the products that they sell.

bhasser
01-22-2012, 07:09 PM
Thanks guys, I appreciate the info, i do think the X-1 might be to small with the kids and all. I am not sure if I like the Pickle fork look but the size inside is very important so I would consider it. We do primarily ski, but I don't do the slalom course anymore and I would like to try surfing so I can compromise some on the ski wake. Do some models have hard ballasts vs. the fat s acks that don't take up the storage space in the lockers or are they all about the same. I have an email into action as well, quite a few people have mentioned to check them out so I will. Thanks again, I am learning alot.

bhasser
01-22-2012, 07:12 PM
What year did the 214V come out, looks like an ideal boat but might be out of my range

GT500 MC
01-22-2012, 07:19 PM
What year did the 214V come out, looks like an ideal boat but might be out of my range

I believe late in '09 model year. Not many '09's out there though. I believe the majority of initial sales were '10. And the few used ones I've seen for sale are mid-to-high $50k's. Would do almost all of what you're asking for though.

Ski-me
01-22-2012, 07:20 PM
2009 was the first year of the 214V I believe.....

Probably would be higher than $40k at this point.

GT500 MC
01-22-2012, 07:43 PM
2009 was the first year of the 214V I believe.....

Probably would be higher than $40k at this point.

Just re-read thread, my price that I've seen mid-50's is on "x14v's". Sorry for the mis-quote. I actually have not seen any used 214v's for sale, but obviously would be less than the x's.

bhasser
01-22-2012, 07:52 PM
Your thoughts on these?

http://www.boattrader.com/listing/2004-Mastercraft-X-30-98933918

http://www.shieldsmarina.com/new_vehicle_detail.asp?sid=05988275X1K22K2012J5I51 I03JPMQ5543R0&veh=35447&pov=2411348

Jerseydave
01-22-2012, 07:59 PM
http://www.onlyinboards.com/Details.aspx?ID=30770

After a quick search this in the only '06-newer X-2 I found under $40K
I don't think you'll find an X-2 in your price range with less than 200 hours on it but that should not deter you. 300-400 hours would be common on any '05-'07 boat.

BTW, what model MC, CC and BU did you own before?

bhasser
01-22-2012, 08:05 PM
1991 MC Maristar 210
2000 Malibu Escape 23'
2006 SV211

Jerseydave
01-22-2012, 08:10 PM
Your thoughts on these?

http://www.boattrader.com/listing/2004-Mastercraft-X-30-98933918

335hp??? Wrong, it's an MCX with 350hp. 3 different wheels on trailer?? I'd pass on this one, price seems a bit high. 2004 does not have throttle-by-wire, uses a throttle cable instead, interior vinyl did not hold up well and the Clarion speakers are not the greatest. If it has the smaller rudder you would want to change it out to the newer larger rudder. No swivel board racks.

http://www.shieldsmarina.com/new_vehicle_detail.asp?sid=05988275X1K22K2012J5I51 I03JPMQ5543R0&veh=35447&pov=2411348

This X-15 seems nice, really low hours (50) and would make an excellent wakesurf and wakeboard boat. With a wake plate the slalom wake would be good for recreational slalom. A much better buy.

bhasser
01-22-2012, 08:49 PM
I am going to look into the x-15's. Not looking for a MC/Malibu bash, just info on comparisons and your thoughts on these?

http://www.onlyinboards.com/Details.aspx?ID=30326
http://www.onlyinboards.com/Details.aspx?ID=31389
http://www.onlyinboards.com/Details.aspx?ID=30366
http://www.onlyinboards.com/Details.aspx?ID=31098

Jerseydave
01-22-2012, 09:00 PM
I am going to look into the x-15's. Not looking for a MC/Malibu bash, just info on comparisons and your thoughts on these?

http://www.onlyinboards.com/Details.aspx?ID=30326
http://www.onlyinboards.com/Details.aspx?ID=31389
http://www.onlyinboards.com/Details.aspx?ID=30366
http://www.onlyinboards.com/Details.aspx?ID=31098

The second boat (california) is by far the better buy. I think BU changed the hull for the better in '06. That Extreme trailer is the best trailer money can buy, not counting the new style MC trailers.

What happened to your CC SV211?

bhasser
01-22-2012, 09:03 PM
Moved to Iowa, no lakes on the Mississippi so we sold it after a year down there. I wished I would of kept the bu or cc with the way prices have gone up.

bhasser
01-23-2012, 11:30 PM
After your feedback and talking to a bunch of people, I think we have it narrowed down to:

MC X-2
MC Maristar 200VRS
Malibu Sunscape LSV21

Let me know of any you find under $40k. Thanks.

JohnE
01-23-2012, 11:43 PM
After your feedback and talking to a bunch of people, I think we have it narrowed down to:

MC X-2
MC Maristar 200VRS
Malibu Sunscape LSV21

Let me know of any you find under $40k. Thanks.

Are you talking pre 06 x2 or 06 and later? You will find both for under $40k. 06 and newer are the picklefork version. Both are very successful and popular, but much different imo

bhasser
01-24-2012, 11:48 AM
06 and newer (picklefork). My understanding the 200VRS (picklefork) is the same hull just without the tower and ballast and a few options which I could add on in the future if needed.

Masterwake1987
04-20-2012, 10:47 AM
http://longisland.craigslist.org/boa/2948213809.html