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03 35th Anniversary
11-26-2011, 09:29 PM
After shopping, driving, comparing and lots of talking.

She chose on her own.

The Ford F-150 Platinum with the new EcoBoost over the Tahoe and Expedition.

GT500 MC
11-26-2011, 09:42 PM
Your wife has good taste. Platinum edition. Nice. Just got the FX4 w/the EcoBoost. Love it.

toolz
11-26-2011, 10:32 PM
Good choice

erkoehler
11-26-2011, 10:38 PM
Nice truck!

Put a leveling kit on the front!

DemolitionMan
11-26-2011, 10:41 PM
Nice looking truck.:cool:

j.mccreight@hotmail.com
11-26-2011, 11:02 PM
Excellent truck, but why is the license plate not centered on the bumper?

Sullivan
11-26-2011, 11:20 PM
The Eco boost requires lots of air flow and they had to move the license plate to the side to get max air flow to the motor.

Sweet Ride! Love those trucks.

shepherd
11-27-2011, 12:22 AM
Looks nice. I want one. What do you get with the "Platinum edition?"

trickskier
11-27-2011, 07:40 AM
Sweet looking ride Johnnie - She has GOOD taste!

Covi
11-27-2011, 07:47 AM
awesome!!!!!!!!!

2RLAKE
11-27-2011, 09:08 AM
very nice indeed ... you have a keeper there!

medicmoose
11-27-2011, 09:23 AM
Nice truck!

Put a leveling kit on the front!

Put the leveling kit on the rear...bring it down and give it a nice stance.

Nice truck!

Jerseydave
11-27-2011, 09:35 AM
Nice truck! I'd be curious to hear what the highway mpg is after she breaks it in. I've heard it's anywhere from 22-25 mpg!

Hopefully Ford will put that engine in an Expedition soon.

GT500 MC
11-27-2011, 10:10 AM
Nice truck! I'd be curious to hear what the highway mpg is after she breaks it in. I've heard it's anywhere from 22-25 mpg!

Hopefully Ford will put that engine in an Expedition soon.

When buying mine last week, the dealer said Ford is trying to get that motor as an option in a few of their other vehicles by as early as 2013. They're having a hard time keeping up with these in the trucks. Did not mention Expedition but if they're that popular, I'm sure someone is working on it.

Sullivan
11-27-2011, 10:20 AM
I've heard rumors that the Expedtion is going to get killed off totally. I sure hope not, my family is going to need a larger SUV in a couple years and I would really like to see an updated Expedtion. I hope they don't follow the same path they took with the Explorer either. That is one ugly *** SUV now. If you can even call it a SUV, its more like a damn Taurus than anything else.

JohnnyB
11-27-2011, 02:00 PM
After shopping, driving, comparing and lots of talking.

She chose on her own.

The Ford F-150 Platinum with the new EcoBoost over the Tahoe and Expedition.

No picture of Wifey with the truck though :(

A woman driving a pickup with a ball cap on and pony tail out the back of the cap does something for me :D

Alan-S
11-27-2011, 02:31 PM
You are going to love it. I just passed 1,000 miles on mine and mileage is getting better and better. So far I have pulled a few x-45's, X-Stars, X-25's, and X-2's. You guys are going to be impressed.

03 35th Anniversary
11-27-2011, 06:16 PM
Looks nice. I want one. What do you get with the "Platinum edition?"

Everything, it is their top of the line. I can't begin to list all the options.

Put the leveling kit on the rear...bring it down and give it a nice stance.

Nice truck!

It's a 4x4 we'll pick the front end up with some wheels and tires!

You are going to love it. I just passed 1,000 miles on mine and mileage is getting better and better. So far I have pulled a few x-45's, X-Stars, X-25's, and X-2's. You guys are going to be impressed.

So far it runs really good!

SkiDog
11-27-2011, 07:02 PM
Great looking truck Johnny! How much and what engine? I'm in the market for a new truck, soon!

mikeg205
11-27-2011, 07:27 PM
very nice indeed ... you have a keeper there!

and a nice new truck too....;)

Footin
11-27-2011, 07:40 PM
Very nice ride....

GoneBoatN
11-27-2011, 08:07 PM
Very nice!

AND, thanks for buying American!

-V-
11-27-2011, 08:44 PM
Toyota Tundra is American

03 35th Anniversary
11-27-2011, 09:34 PM
Great looking truck Johnny! How much and what engine? I'm in the market for a new truck, soon!

It has that little turbo charged V6. That runs really good!!!

GoneBoatN
11-28-2011, 10:56 AM
Toyota Tundra is American

From wikipedia: Currently the Tundra is assembled in San Antonio, Texas

GT500 MC
11-28-2011, 11:08 AM
From wikipedia: Currently the Tundra is assembled in San Antonio, Texas

Exactly. I'm sick of hearing justification of a Japanese purchase by saying "made in America". It's still a Japanese company, thus the Japanese word Toyota.

Sorry--threadjack. Love the new tow rig.

92 190 PS
11-28-2011, 11:25 AM
We’ve all heard someone say that you shouldn’t buy a Toyota because “all the profits go to Japan.” Talk about hypocrisy. People think it’s wrong to support a global car company that’s spent $20 billion building plants in the USA over the last 20 years, yet they willingly fork over their dollars to bankrupt GM and Chrysler so they can “buy American.”
Here’s a newsflash for all you “buy American” hypocrites:

Toyota’s profits on one truck sale pale in comparison to the amount of money YOU send overseas every year. The fact is, we’re all sending thousands of dollars a year in profits to foreign companies – regardless of the type of vehicle in the driveway. Take a look:
First, let’s talk about the Tundra.
If you buy a new Toyota Tundra for $30k, here’s where the money goes: Toyota profit as a percentage of vehicle revenue. The auto dealership keeps about 4%, or $1200. [NADA average dealership profile May 2009 (http://www.nada.org/NR/rdonlyres/DCE02BC1-56E7-4570-8A0C-491665B2A81D/0/May_2009_Sales_Trends.pdf)]. The people who ship the vehicle from the plant to the dealership pocket some money, there are some miscellaneous document fees, some gas to buy, etc., and we’ll say that stuff only costs $800 (the bulk of which is a destination charge). That leaves $28,000 in revenue for Toyota.
For argument’s sake, let’s ignore the fact that Toyota (like most automakers) lost a fortune last year and look at numbers from 2005 instead. Toyota earned $12.1 billion in profit in 2005, so let’s use those outrageously profitable numbers to figure out how much money could go overseas in a worst-case-for-America-best-case-for-Toyota situation.
According to Toyota’s 2005 financial report (http://www.toyota.co.jp/en/ir/financial_results/2005/year_end/summary.pdf) (see page 12), 10.8% of revenue went to general administrative and selling costs (i.e. marketing and advertising), 78.2% went to the actual production costs, and then another 4.7% went to miscellaneous expenses like interest payments, taxes, etc. In 2005 – the best year in the history of Toyota – only 6.3% of revenue was actually “profit.”
In other words, based on the best-case scenario $1,764 of our $30k Tundra is profit for Toyota…but really that’s only a guess. Toyota’s average numbers (as reported above) include every vehicle sold, from their super cheap micro cars sold in developing markets to their mega-expensive Lexus products. For the sake of argument, let’s go ahead and round our estimate up and say that Toyota makes $3000 on every Tundra they sell.
Now don’t tune out yet. According to Toyota’s most recent stockholder overview (http://www.toyota.co.jp/en/ir/stock/outline.html) (shout out to commenter Brian for finding that link), 24% of Toyota stock is held by non-Japanese entities. 35% of Toyota stock is held by big banks – including JP Morgan Chase, State Street Bank, and Mellon New York. If we assume that about 20% of Toyota stock is held by American-owned companies (a guess, but it seems reasonable), then really only 80% of the profits go to Japan…20% comes back to US mutual funds and stockholders.
That means that a new Tundra – in the best Toyota sales year of all time – likely only nets Japan $2400. Considering that the average American buys a new car every 5-7 years, that’s about $400 per year that we send to Japan when we buy a new Tundra truck (give or take). Sound like a lot? The average American household spends more than $1200 a year on foreign-made electronics.
1) The average American household spends $1200+ on consumer electronics every year (http://rtoonline.com/Content/Article/may09/average-household-spending-consumer-electronics-052109.asp). We all know that few (if any) electronics are made in the USA, so a big chunk of that money definitely leaves and never comes back. For arguments sake, let’s say that half of that amount is captured by retailers in the US and that only $600 a year is sent overseas on consumer electronics…that’s more than a new Tundra bebe designer jeans retail for $99 (or more) and are made in Mexico
2) The average American household spends $1881/year on clothing and apparel (http://www.visualeconomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/wheredidthemoneygo.jpg) (cool chart, btw). Much like electronics, almost no clothing is made in the USA. Some estimate that 97% of all clothing is made outside the US (http://wcco.com/seenon/Made.in.America.2.347947.html). If we assume only 30% of the amount spent on clothing goes overseas and never comes back, over 5 years the average American household sends more money overseas buying clothes (more than $2,800) than they would have sent buying a new Tundra.
3) The average American household spends $2,384 per year on gasoline and motor oil (http://www.visualeconomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/wheredidthemoneygo.jpg). Guess where oil comes from? Overseas. If we assume that only half of that expense goes to Venezuela, Mexico, Canada, Nigeria, Saudi Arabia, etc., after 5 years the average American household will have sent more than $6,000 overseas buying oil.
4) Let’s go back to our Tundra profit figures. In 2007 Toyota (and affiliated suppliers) made a total investment in San Antonio of more than $1.2 billion (see timeline (http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/special_reports/Toyota_and_San_Antonio_A_timeline.html)). How much profit is Toyota really making on the Tundra? The San Antonio plant has made somewhere between 300,000 and 350,000 trucks over the last 3.5 years…there’s no conceivable way that Toyota has recovered their $1.2 billion investment yet.
So here’s the bottom line:
1. People advocating that we should all “buy American” don’t understand global economics. If they did, they would recognize the problem isn’t with the Tundra…it’s with foreign oil and our society’s infatuation with consumer products we really don’t need (flat-screen TVs and designer jeans, for example).
2. Toyota is a global company. Despite the fact their name is Japanese, they make cars in the USA, they have US workers, and the Tundra is actually “more American” than the Dodge Ram or the Chevy Silverado (http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2008/07/28/toyota-tundra-more-american-than-silverado-and-ram/).
3. A lot of the “buy American” sentiments are based on fear. Toyota isn’t bad for the U.S. economy – no company that builds 1.1 million cars and trucks in the USA is bad for America. If you want to call out Toyota because “all the profits go to Japan,” you need to call out yourself too.

Sullivan
11-28-2011, 11:59 AM
Well done, actual facts for this argument help alot. I have been saying this for awhile now. Just because they are a US based company does not mean they are a US made product. I support those who have US manufacturing in the US!

scott023
11-28-2011, 12:29 PM
Oh no Johnny, not a F-O-R-D.

d2jp
11-28-2011, 06:07 PM
^^ link to the original Tundra Blog is here (http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2009/08/28/buy-american-truck-hypocrisy/) Charts, pictures from airplane, and models:)

-V-
11-28-2011, 06:22 PM
I love my 2011 Toyota Tundra Crewmax T-Force Edition, Bought it when I lived in San Antonio, Watched it get assembled and picked it out.

GoneBoatN
11-28-2011, 11:21 PM
[B][COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma]We’ve all heard someone say that you shouldn’t buy a Toyota because...

First, I guess we are going to have to agree to disagree. I'm not going to feel bad about saying "thanks for buying American".

I'm happy that Toyota assembles the Tundra in the USA. I welcome their investment in the US. What about Nissan, KIA, Lexus, BMW, VW... And, just because they have part of their operation in the US does not make them a God send. I would also like to see the components manufactured here. Does the steel come from a US based steel plant? Are the design engineers sitting in the US? It's that money that makes a difference. I don't care where the "profits" end up because that is a drop in the bucket compared to the revenue. I think I understand the global economy fairly well. I'm also aware that many of the components in American made cars are made off shore. As you referenced, most of our electronics are manufactured off shore. That supports my argument - not enough manufacturing done on US soil. Companies have in the past off-shored many of the jobs for increased profits - yes a real shocker that we are talking about US based companies. The company I work for has done so. First it was call desk type workers to India. Then the software engineering jobs started to move as well. And it keeps going. Who cares who the stock holders are because as noted profits are a small part of the pie. Actually, you and I most likely own some Toyota stock so we ourselves are investors.

Yep, Toyota invested 1.2 billion in the San Antonio plant. Toyota had roughly $250 billion in revenue in 2011. Hopefully my Yen to Dollar conversion did not go horribly wrong.

My first car, 29 years ago, was foreign made. Every one after has been one of the big three. I'm not ashamed of that (well maybe the first car) and you can call me a hypocrite if you like (maybe that was because you just cut-n-pasted the text); after all a free county and doing so is not a crime. I love my Expedition. I like my Lincoln (unfortunately it is part Jaguar - I knew that when I bought it). I love my GM small block sitting in my boat. Yep, lots of the parts on these come from off shore - unfortunate.

Something tells me that a lot of people out there want more jobs moved back on-shore. Especially many of the currently unemployed.

Don't get me wrong. I don't hold it against someone for buying a foreign made car. I'm sure Tundra's are nice trucks and that their owners love them as well. It is a global economy. The best way for that to change is better quality and more investment into US soil.

I love my Ford. And by the way, from http://www.cars.com/go/about/us.jsp?section=P&content=rel&date=20080703 referenced from your cut-n-paste from Tundraheadquarters.com:

Ford F-150 Claims Top Spot for Fifth Time
Chicago—July 3, 2008—With the Fourth of July upon us, Cars.com has unveiled its semiannual American-Made Index, which ranks the most-American vehicles based on percentage (by cost) of parts made domestically, location of vehicle assembly and how popular each car is with U.S. buyers. For the fifth time in a row, Ford's F-150 has claimed the top spot on the list.


So again, I will say "thanks for buying American";)

So off the thread-jack.... at least for me...

I wonder if I show my wife one of those if she would buy it. It's worth a shot. I wonder how many of us will be taking our wives out vehicle shoping this weekend hoping it works for us as well.

Sullivan
12-01-2011, 07:53 PM
GoneBoatN,
You are using old data.

Here is a more current list: http://www.cnbc.com/id/43562127/The_Most_American_Made_Cars_and_Trucks

Here is an interesting page I found that really makes this subject clear as mud: http://www.montgomerynews.com/articles/2011/11/16/auto/doc4ec3dbb92bb17211501635.txt?viewmode=2

Jabrew
12-01-2011, 09:40 PM
Oshawa Car Assembly is a major manufacturing facility in the city of Oshawa, Ontario, Canada building various automobiles for General Motors Canada. The factory is one of the largest auto plants in the world and has won a number of awards. The plant is part of the larger GM Autoplex, which includes the now closed Oshawa Truck Assembly.
Current products include the Chevrolet Impala, Chevrolet Camaro and Chevrolet Equinox. The Chevrolet Monte Carlo and Pontiac Grand Prix were discontinued in June and November 2007 respectively. The Buick LaCrosse was discontinued from Oshawa #2 in 2008 and moved to Fairfax Assembly for 2009. In the fourth quarter of that year, it began producing the new Chevrolet Camaro. It has been announced that the Oshawa plant may build the 2012 Cadillac XTS. The Buick Regal will launch on the flex line in 2011, along with the Camaro Convertible.

In August 2010, the plant began producing the Chevrolet Equinox in partnership with another GM facility in Ingersoll Ontario, known as CAMI Automotive. The metal bodies are made at CAMI, trucked two hours east to Oshawa, where they are inserted on the conveyor just before the paint shop. The bodies are painted and then go through the general assembly process at the Oshawa plant. The entire process was developed as quick way to respond to high demand for the Equinox product. The CAMI facility does make Equinox and GMC Terrain from start to finish at their own plant, but they did not have the capacity to put more bodies through paint and general assembly.

Toyota is more American than most Chevies BUY FORD THOUGH

GoneBoatN
12-01-2011, 11:08 PM
GoneBoatN,
You are using old data.

Here is a more current list: http://www.cnbc.com/id/43562127/The_Most_American_Made_Cars_and_Trucks

Here is an interesting page I found that really makes this subject clear as mud: http://www.montgomerynews.com/articles/2011/11/16/auto/doc4ec3dbb92bb17211501635.txt?viewmode=2

Clear as mud but clear enough that I eat crow. :mad: (at myself). Thanks for the information. A learning experience. Next time I'm in the market for a vehicle it may not be the one I would have thought previously.

GT500 MC
12-02-2011, 10:04 AM
Clear as mud but clear enough that I eat crow. :mad: (at myself). Thanks for the information. A learning experience. Next time I'm in the market for a vehicle it may not be the one I would have thought previously.

In this new day and age of the truly global economy, buy what you want and what you like. In working for a major corporation, it's hard to tell via disclosures where all of the revenue comes from, where all of the product supply is initiated from, etc. I've learned not to always rely on the "trusted" sources as being accurate.

Sullivan
12-02-2011, 10:05 AM
Now you have more options than you thought. I just purchased a F350 over the summer and its the best truck I have ever driven. But, it erks me knowing that Ford is building this new Diesel motor in Mexico.

GoneBoatN
12-02-2011, 02:59 PM
In this new day and age of the truly global economy, buy what you want and what you like. In working for a major corporation, it's hard to tell via disclosures where all of the revenue comes from, where all of the product supply is initiated from, etc. I've learned not to always rely on the "trusted" sources as being accurate.

It was my one last ditch effort to buy american. And by that my major concern is jobs... Seems like everything else (electronics, clothes and even food) are from off shore, no choice.

Now you have more options than you thought. I just purchased a F350 over the summer and its the best truck I have ever driven. But, it erks me knowing that Ford is building this new Diesel motor in Mexico.

I was dreaming of one of these in the future - http://www.hydrogencarsnow.com/ford-superchief-f250-pickup.htm. Ford F-250 Super Chief Tri-Flex Fuel Truck.