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EA2010
10-16-2011, 03:59 PM
I am looking to buy a tow boat that will be almost exclusively used for surfing.

We will usually be a 4-some in the water: my wife, both kids (ages 8 &10) and myself. However, we will have friends along whenever possible, essentially doubling the on-board crew to 8-10 people (4-5 adults plus 4-5 kids).

I am interested in any and all opinions of what MasterCraft boat you feel is THE BEST for surfing.

Feel free to include any suggestions you having for improving the surf wake using stock or after-market accessories.

I will be buying a new 2012 model MasterCraft. I have my opinions; please share yours!

Thanks in advance!

EA

OnWisconsin
10-16-2011, 07:30 PM
xstar... but the 2012 is pretty pricey.

duckguy
10-16-2011, 07:33 PM
Xstar is in no way the best surf boat. X25 or 45 is your best bet

bbymgr
10-16-2011, 08:10 PM
Someone posted pix about a year ago of the surf wake for a X55 that was just ridiculous.

Ole Miss Rebels
10-16-2011, 08:10 PM
2006 and newer X30 is good too

Nick911
10-16-2011, 08:20 PM
Zane says in the YouTube X25 video that it's the best surf boat in MCs lineup.

Huskie05
10-16-2011, 08:29 PM
Someone posted pix about a year ago of the surf wake for a X55 that was just ridiculous.

X55 is great, but not best. We load up full ballast, add 2 fat sacks of 700 each, then 9 people, its a killer wave. But been behind a x25, and Tige, both seemed better but not way better. I have heard nothing but great thinks about the x45 surf.

ShawnB
10-16-2011, 10:28 PM
I posted this in the X25 thread but in case you didn't see it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuRjTU1DN4o

I think the X25 surfs amazing but I don't have any time surfing behind the other boats so I can't compare.

Cobra Rob
10-16-2011, 10:34 PM
The X45 is sick... Once we added an extra 1100 in the rear locker and a 400 upfront.

Also BY FAR the best interior layout in my opinion.

EA2010
10-16-2011, 10:50 PM
Thanks for all your opinions. I should mention that I learned to surf behind a 2006 X-80. Pretty good wake running with stock ballast ... but no room in rear lockers for PnP sacs due to the twins.

From all the research I've done, the X-25 looks like the best bang for the buck. X-45 also gets some good reports.

I must say, however: the Tige RZ2 throws a killer wake using their stock ballast system. It should be noted that the RZ2 actually has factory sacs that fill both rear lockers - so it takes on more ballast in the stock config. Not really apples-to-apples vs. the X-25.

Both boats - the X-25 and RZ2 - need after-market sacs in the lockers, IMO. The X-25 definitely wins on interior and trim ...

CantRepeat
10-16-2011, 10:54 PM
06+ X30 I hear the X35 is good too.

scott023
10-17-2011, 11:01 AM
xstar... but the 2012 is pretty pricey.

What? The Star is probably the WORST MC to surf behind. Just sayin.

scott023
10-17-2011, 11:04 AM
The X45 is sick... Once we added an extra 1100 in the rear locker and a 400 upfront.

Also BY FAR the best interior layout in my opinion.

This is my twocents as well. I've got 400lb sacs in back locker and on floor in bow with factory ballast filled. Also added an 1100lb "ultimate surf sac" on back seats. Can easily surf 20 feet behind the boat now. Amazing feeling.

scott023
10-17-2011, 11:05 AM
06+ X30 I hear the X35 is good too.

I've surfed a couple of 35's... the wake of that model does not come close to the wake of the 45's.

EA2010
10-18-2011, 02:45 PM
I've got 400lb sacs in back locker and on floor in bow with factory ballast filled. Also added an 1100lb "ultimate surf sac" on back seats. Can easily surf 20 feet behind the boat now. Amazing feeling.

Scott, just to confirm ... you fill all factory ballast tanks, then fill your 400# sac in the locker, then fill a 400# sac on the bow floor and THEN fill an 1100# sac on the back seat?

What's that: 3,500lbs??? That is hardcore, dude!

Any pix you can share?

scott023
10-18-2011, 03:34 PM
Scott, just to confirm ... you fill all factory ballast tanks, then fill your 400# sac in the locker, then fill a 400# sac on the bow floor and THEN fill an 1100# sac on the back seat?

What's that: 3,500lbs??? That is hardcore, dude!

Any pix you can share?

It's what was the recommended set up from Fly High. They know what they're talking about. Just have one pic from a night, so you can't see much. The thread below has a lot of pics, check out post #4.

http://www.mastercraft.com/teamtalk/showthread.php?t=42647

Plave
10-18-2011, 03:44 PM
I've surfed a couple of 35's... the wake of that model does not come close to the wake of the 45's.

Then they weren't properly setup, the 35 and 55 both put out a much better surf wake than the 45 with their deeper hulls.

I haven't tried a 25 yet.

scott023
10-18-2011, 03:49 PM
Then they weren't properly setup, the 35 and 55 both put out a much better surf wake than the 45 with their deeper hulls.

I haven't tried a 25 yet.

The 35's were properly set up, for sure. You seem to be the only one saying that the surf wake on the 35 is better than the 45, as there are many, many people that think the 45 is either the best or second best (X25) that MasterCraft makes.

jwardenjr
10-18-2011, 04:01 PM
Thanks for all your opinions. I should mention that I learned to surf behind a 2006 X-80. Pretty good wake running with stock ballast ... but no room in rear lockers for PnP sacs due to the twins.

From all the research I've done, the X-25 looks like the best bang for the buck. X-45 also gets some good reports.

I must say, however: the Tige RZ2 throws a killer wake using their stock ballast system. It should be noted that the RZ2 actually has factory sacs that fill both rear lockers - so it takes on more ballast in the stock config. Not really apples-to-apples vs. the X-25.

Both boats - the X-25 and RZ2 - need after-market sacs in the lockers, IMO. The X-25 definitely wins on interior and trim ...

I spent hours testing both boats and IMO the Tige does not come close to the quality of boat as the X-25. The Tige made a nice short wake loaded up with ballast. I put a 500 lbs sac in the locker and a 700 lbs sac in the side locker and the wake is huge and long.

CantRepeat
10-18-2011, 04:28 PM
The 35's were properly set up, for sure. You seem to be the only one saying that the surf wake on the 35 is better than the 45, as there are many, many people that think the 45 is either the best or second best (X25) that MasterCraft makes.

Na, he's not the only one. Chase Hazen pick up a 35 just for surfing.

http://slayshtank.com/2011/06/mastercraftwakesurf/

I've not seen any video and I don't really care for the wide angle low photo stuff. I don't think it shows the true size of the wave.

scott023
10-18-2011, 04:39 PM
Correct, he's not the only one. But there are a heck of a lot more people vouching for the wake on the 45 than the 35. Just sayin. :D

CantRepeat
10-18-2011, 04:56 PM
Correct, he's not the only one. But there are a heck of a lot more people vouching for the wake on the 45 than the 35. Just sayin. :D

I couldn't tell you either way. I've never weighted or surfed either. :(

scott023
10-18-2011, 05:04 PM
I couldn't tell you either way. I've never weighted or surfed either. :(

We tried both before buying. After our time in them, the X45 won out because of interior layout, ride quailty and surf wake.

CantRepeat
10-18-2011, 05:29 PM
We tried both before buying. After our time in them, the X45 won out because of interior layout, ride quailty and surf wake.

So you got to surf both factory ballast before you bought? :D

scott023
10-18-2011, 05:38 PM
So you got to surf both factory ballast before you bought? :D

They both had fat sacs in them. Buddies boats. :D Best way to test things out.

CantRepeat
10-18-2011, 06:01 PM
They both had fat sacs in them. Buddies boats. :D Best way to test things out.

I need more buddies, lol.

scott023
10-18-2011, 06:05 PM
I need more buddies, lol.

Ha. Always able to find a tow around here. Too bad they don't do early mornings like I prefer. :D

Ozzy X25
10-18-2011, 06:14 PM
06+ X30 I hear the X35 is good too.

Thats a narley surf wake Dude ....!!! ....:cool:

bbymgr
10-18-2011, 06:53 PM
I found one of the Pics that MYMC posted of his X55 surf wake.

CantRepeat
10-18-2011, 07:53 PM
I found one of the Pics that MYMC posted of his X55 surf wake.

I like that!! I much more prefer a long pocket to a short tall wave.

JohnE
10-18-2011, 09:06 PM
I found one of the Pics that MYMC posted of his X55 surf wake.

I've posted that pic several times....I was amazed the first time I saw that pic. Anyone have a pic of an X25 throwing a similar wake? If it can, it's a steal given the price difference.

CLTMC
10-18-2011, 10:40 PM
The List of MC models I pull out when Wakesurfing. Depending on what's available at the time.
First choice

1st)X-55!!!! Without a doubt one of the largest surf waves in the MC line up
2nd)X-45
3rd)X-25
4th)X-35

I rode this wave behind Maeghan's X-55 the picture does not do it total justice. Pure Heaven!!
71981

The wakeboard wake behind the X-55 was just as nice! Super excited to stock X-55's this season.....:D

JohnE
10-18-2011, 10:46 PM
Hey Lee, good to see you here. Got any pics of the other wakes? That 55 wake is amazing. Do you know how that boat was weighted?

bbymgr
10-19-2011, 06:56 AM
I've posted that pic several times....I was amazed the first time I saw that pic. Anyone have a pic of an X25 throwing a similar wake? If it can, it's a steal given the price difference.

Sorry John......I didn't realize you had posted the pic. I thought MYMC did. My mistake.

CantRepeat
10-19-2011, 08:30 AM
The List of MC models I pull out when Wakesurfing. Depending on what's available at the time.
First choice

1st)X-55!!!! Without a doubt one of the largest surf waves in the MC line up
2nd)X-45
3rd)X-25
4th)X-35

I rode this wave behind Maeghan's X-55 the picture does not do it total justice. Pure Heaven!!
71981

The wakeboard wake behind the X-55 was just as nice! Super excited to stock X-55's this season.....:D

If you don't have the X30 in that line up you are missing out. :D

scott023
10-19-2011, 10:13 AM
I like that!! I much more prefer a long pocket to a short tall wave.

You and me both.


That water looks like mud though. :D

CLTMC
10-19-2011, 12:53 PM
If you don't have the X30 in that line up you are missing out. :D

I would wakesurf an X-30 over a X-35 at this point. For some reason the X-35 is a finicky boat for me to set up, it's like surfing a newer style X-Star in my mind. You would think the X-35 would be the easiest boat to set up with the extra deep V, but I find it to be the opposite. Thatís just me though!

Anyone on here tried shaping their swim platforms yet? I have read that it puts out a cleaner wave due to less platform interference? Was thinking about trying to shape one and see what the difference is.:rolleyes:

71994

scott023
10-19-2011, 01:03 PM
I would wakesurf an X-30 over a X-35 at this point. For some reason the X-35 is a finicky boat for me to set up, it's like surfing a newer style X-Star in my mind. You would think the X-35 would be the easiest boat to set up with the extra deep V, but I find it to be the opposite. Thatís just me though!

Anyone on here tried shaping their swim platforms yet? I have read that it puts out a cleaner wave due to less platform interference? Was thinking about trying to shape one and see what the difference is.:rolleyes:

71994

Lee, this is the same thing I've heard from a few 35 owners that have surfed my boat.

CLTMC
10-19-2011, 01:04 PM
Hey Lee, good to see you here. Got any pics of the other wakes? That 55 wake is amazing. Do you know how that boat was weighted?

I have been slacking on pictures this year. I will make a point to take more pics of wakes behind the various MC models available going forward.

Below is some tower camera footage of the 2012 X-25 surf wake we took this summer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cD0Gj6KUaWo
I recently purchased a gopro camera to take some better footage.

The 2009 X-55 wakesurf wake setup in the picture was full port rear stock ballast, full rear port enzo sac in storage and under seats. 1/4 full Stock KGB and Attitude Plate around 30%
That should be close it was a few years back when that picture was taken. Mike set up Maeghans boat and it was PERFECT!!!!!

CantRepeat
10-19-2011, 02:57 PM
I would wakesurf an X-30 over a X-35 at this point. For some reason the X-35 is a finicky boat for me to set up, it's like surfing a newer style X-Star in my mind. You would think the X-35 would be the easiest boat to set up with the extra deep V, but I find it to be the opposite. Thatís just me though!

Anyone on here tried shaping their swim platforms yet? I have read that it puts out a cleaner wave due to less platform interference? Was thinking about trying to shape one and see what the difference is.:rolleyes:

71994

I did just that. Here are two videos about a smaller swim platform. I'm going to do something different over the winter and hopefully I'll end up with the best of both worlds. ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtdZoTb6GS0


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcRYs9VQ89c

Huskie05
10-19-2011, 03:01 PM
The List of MC models I pull out when Wakesurfing. Depending on what's available at the time.
First choice

1st)X-55!!!! Without a doubt one of the largest surf waves in the MC line up
2nd)X-45
3rd)X-25
4th)X-35

I rode this wave behind Maeghan's X-55 the picture does not do it total justice. Pure Heaven!!
71981

The wakeboard wake behind the X-55 was just as nice! Super excited to stock X-55's this season.....:D

Hey, that looks just like mine but smaller!

CLTMC
10-19-2011, 03:59 PM
Hey, that looks just like mine but smaller!

If your X-55 is throwing a larger cleaner wave than the one in the picture can I please come ride with you!!!:D

Huskie05
10-19-2011, 04:40 PM
If your X-55 is throwing a larger cleaner wave than the one in the picture can I please come ride with you!!!:D

we love our wave, we are adding a 1000 lb sack next year. always welcome

Eagle
10-19-2011, 07:00 PM
I have been slacking on pictures this year. I will make a point to take more pics of wakes behind the various MC models available going forward.

Below is some tower camera footage of the 2012 X-25 surf wake we took this summer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cD0Gj6KUaWo
I recently purchased a gopro camera to take some better footage.

The 2009 X-55 wakesurf wake setup in the picture was full port rear stock ballast, full rear port enzo sac in storage and under seats. 1/4 full Stock KGB and Attitude Plate around 30%
That should be close it was a few years back when that picture was taken. Mike set up Maeghans boat and it was PERFECT!!!!!

What's Mike up to these days? Do you have an email address for him? I'd like to drop him a line to say hi.

jwardenjr
10-19-2011, 08:23 PM
I will post some pictures after this weekend showing my wake its much larger than what I am seeing on this post.

GT500 MC
10-19-2011, 08:27 PM
I will post some pictures after this weekend showing my wake its much larger than what I am seeing on this post.

:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

CantRepeat
10-19-2011, 08:59 PM
I will post some pictures after this weekend showing my wake its much larger than what I am seeing on this post.

Yeah that video of the 25 does look smaller then some of the other 25s I've seen.

CLTMC
10-19-2011, 11:03 PM
Yeah that video of the 25 does look smaller then some of the other 25s I've seen.

The video of the x-25 wake was in shallow water 6-9ft and from the tower camera; bad angle for showing wake sizes. Our lake level was down for a period of time. Had a bet with a customer on who would pull of a 360 first, pressure was on.

V-man
10-20-2011, 10:43 PM
Me behind the 45 at Lake Havasu.

http://youtu.be/T359qkxs_8A

V-man
10-20-2011, 10:49 PM
I am interested in hearing how the '12 Xstar surfs....Would love to take a couple of pumps, a bunch of sacs, and experiment with that boat! Who's with me?

CantRepeat
10-21-2011, 05:33 PM
Me behind the 45 at Lake Havasu.

http://youtu.be/T359qkxs_8A

Looks like a sweet ride. How do you have it setup?

NatesGr8
10-21-2011, 05:43 PM
Me behind the 45 at Lake Havasu.

http://youtu.be/T359qkxs_8A
Whats the ballast setup on that 45? I've been trying to get mine dialed in.

Thanks, Nate

V-man
10-21-2011, 08:39 PM
Whats the ballast setup on that 45? I've been trying to get mine dialed in.

Thanks, Nate

I have done a few modifications to this boat in order to get most of the ballast hidden and automatically filled. But, this should get you close:

1100 FH in port
400 FH under cooler seat
400 FH in board locker
Port Stock
KGB
People ballast on port side, or add a 400 on seat if less than 3 riders.

I also have a custom platform.

Recommend speed at 11.5 using GPS calibrated perfect pass. Trim tab up all the way.

Try this and let us know if it works. :)

V-man
10-21-2011, 08:49 PM
Looks like a sweet ride. How do you have it setup?

I can send you a PM if you are interested in the exact setup with the mods I've made.

CantRepeat
10-21-2011, 09:04 PM
I can send you a PM if you are interested in the exact setup with the mods I've made.

Tried to PM you my email address. It seems you have PMs turned of?? http://mikesell.net/images/dunno.gif

V-man
10-21-2011, 09:40 PM
Tried to PM you my email address. It seems you have PMs turned of?? http://mikesell.net/images/dunno.gif

Should be fixed now. Sorry bout that, I'm kind of a tech tard. :uglyhamme

V-man
10-22-2011, 03:04 PM
'07 X45

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6155/6267401103_4845ac0a6c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wakesurfaz/6267401103/)
DSC00929 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wakesurfaz/6267401103/) by Wakesurf AZ (http://www.flickr.com/people/wakesurfaz/), on Flickrhttp://farm7.static.flickr.com/6164/6267883998_d6cd1e7655.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wakesurfaz/6267883998/)
DSC00814 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wakesurfaz/6267883998/) by Wakesurf AZ (http://www.flickr.com/people/wakesurfaz/), on Flickr

CantRepeat
10-22-2011, 03:42 PM
I watch some of your videos this morning. That's a sweet wave. What is the yellow board you guys are using?

Nick911
10-22-2011, 05:12 PM
If your max amount of people is only 8-10 peeps I'd say the 25 all day. I'd say based on the response here that best MC surf boat is debatable, and any differences from 25, 35, 45, 55 negligible.

Bang for buck and resale lies with the 25 IMO, especially considering you don't need the room.

My two cents...

bbymgr
10-22-2011, 06:22 PM
If your max amount of people is only 8-10 peeps I'd say the 25 all day. I'd say based on the response here that best MC surf boat is debatable, and any differences from 25, 35, 45, 55 negligible.

Bang for buck and resale lies with the 25 IMO, especially considering you don't need the room.

My two cents...

Of course everything is debatable. People are going to say their boat has the best surf wake. It's human nature to defend your own. When someone needs a new prop or has a serious prop question, do they take the advice from 5-10 regular guys on here, or do they ask Eric from OJ. Every time a prop question comes up someone immediately refers the OP to Eric.

So why is it, that when 2 dealers and a Pro Rider, who could take any boat out they wanted, say that the X55 has the best surf wake, and yet people seem to discount their knowledge and experience? I'm pretty sure that the 3 of them have forgotten more about these boats than 99% of us will ever know.

CantRepeat
10-22-2011, 08:15 PM
Of course everything is debatable. People are going to say their boat has the best surf wake. It's human nature to defend your own. When someone needs a new prop or has a serious prop question, do they take the advice from 5-10 regular guys on here, or do they ask Eric from OJ. Every time a prop question comes up someone immediately refers the OP to Eric.

So why is it, that when 2 dealers and a Pro Rider, who could take any boat out they wanted, say that the X55 has the best surf wake, and yet people seem to discount their knowledge and experience? I'm pretty sure that the 3 of them have forgotten more about these boats than 99% of us will ever know.

Why? Because when we see the wave that they say is the best of best we know that it's not because we have seen or rode better. :rolleyes:

bbymgr
10-23-2011, 10:42 AM
Post #32.........."I rode this wave behind Maeghan's X-55 the picture does not do it total justice. Pure Heaven!!"

CantRepeat
10-23-2011, 10:53 AM
Post #32.........."I rode this wave behind Maeghan's X-55 the picture does not do it total justice. Pure Heaven!!"

I also think there is a fair amount of subjective/personal preference to waves. Some like a very tall rampy wave and then others like a longer pocket less of a ramp. :confused:

V-man
10-23-2011, 03:02 PM
The best MC surf boat is the X_ _ (insert your favorite here). IMHO, any model that puts out a sizable wakeboard wake can (with some tweaking) throw a good surf wake. The bigger/heavier models should produce more size and length, but may require more weight, time, and cash to dial in. The important thing to consider is not to discount MC as a good surf boat option. Many non Teamers shun any MC when considering a boat purchase for wakesurfing. We know better.;)

Nick911
10-23-2011, 04:59 PM
I think some boats throw a better stock wake than MC (RZ2, Enzo), however, these boats have more than twice the factory ballast. Add 1000 lbs to a MC before you compare otherwise it is not "apples to apples."

One thing I'd like to see from MC is to add the side tanks like Centurion. I'm not super educated on the topic but I think that would allow for more wake customization (tho make it much more difficult to dial in).

I looked at all boats before deciding on MC and did tons of research. Many boats do things better than MC, but the X25 seemed to do everything well and had by far the most room and best finish in it's class. With the new fall incentives from MC the cost was also comparative to other boats so the decision was a no brainer.

bbymgr
10-23-2011, 06:33 PM
I also think there is a fair amount of subjective/personal preference to waves. Some like a very tall rampy wave and then others like a longer pocket less of a ramp. :confused:

Thats true. Kind of like hand guns.......Glock 23 may fit just right in my hand, but not necessarily someone elses.

EA2010
10-23-2011, 07:59 PM
I should chime in again and confirm that, since starting this thread, I have gone with the X-25.

After a ton of research, it turned out to be the perfect boat for our familiy - both in terms of surf performance and interior comfort. It simply felt bigger inside than other comparable 22-ft boats and I am kinda looking forwards to dialing in my own after-market ballast sacs in order to achieve the optimal surf wake.

Anyway, here are the options I choose to order ...

Attitude Plate
Surf Tabs
Pro Pkg (minus speakers and amps; I'm installing my own Wetsounds system)
Mirror
ZFT4 Tower (new tower - no power)
Tower Racks (boards)
Bow Filler Cushion
Transome Step Pad
Transome Stereo Control
Removeable Ski Pilon
Swin Platform
Bimini & Cover
Boat Cover
Grey Carpet
Econo Trailer (no bling)
Transome Tie Downs (trailer)
Clarion Stereo Deck
Heater

EA2010
10-23-2011, 08:01 PM
Here are the colors ...

EA2010
10-23-2011, 08:01 PM
And, here are the options I chose to pass on ...

No Speed-based Volume Control
No Underwater Lighting
No Power Tower
No Tower Camera
No front ladder
No speakers, No Amp, No Lights
No tower lights (back)
No Hydraulic Steering
No SAT radio
No Heated Seats
No low profile wheels (trailer)
No Spare Tire (trailer)
No mid-ship cleats
No Plug n Play Ballast

Brian B
10-23-2011, 08:03 PM
All I know is the X10 is extremely difficult to dial in. I have stock tanks, and 2 540* sacs and in order to make a wave with any decent amount of push, we're driving in circles. Very jealous of some of the setups posted in this thread!

CantRepeat
10-23-2011, 08:20 PM
EA210

Just a suggestion, but if you passed on the speakers and amps you might just want to pass on the head unit too. Just build a system from the ground up.

I'm really digging your color combo. It's probably one of the better ones as far as I go.

If there ever comes a time that we would buy new, I'm pretty sure it would be a 55.

EA2010
10-23-2011, 08:28 PM
EA210

Just a suggestion, but if you passed on the speakers and amps you might just want to pass on the head unit too. Just build a system from the ground up.

I'm really digging your color combo. It's probably one of the better ones as far as I go.

If there ever comes a time that we would buy new, I'm pretty sure it would be a 55.

Thanks for the feedback. Glad you like the colors!

By "head unit," are you talking about deleting the Clarion deck? If so, I tried that and (due to where it's located on the 2012 model) it can't be removed. No worries: it's only going to act as a volume control for the various iPods that get connected.

The 55 is an awesome vessel! Just a little big for us ... for now!

CantRepeat
10-23-2011, 08:31 PM
Thanks for the feedback. Glad you like the colors!

By "head unit," are you talking about deleting the Clarion deck? If so, I tried that and (due to where it's located on the 2012 model) it can't be removed. No worries: it's only going to act as a volume control for the various iPods that get connected.

The 55 is an awesome vessel! Just a little big for us ... for now!

Ah, I didn't know you could not do radio delete. :(

Looking forward to your spring post with new MC!! :)

Nick911
10-23-2011, 09:47 PM
Skipping on the midship pop-up cleat? Why?

CantRepeat
10-23-2011, 09:52 PM
Skipping on the midship pop-up cleat? Why?

Because no one side ties on a $90k boat!!! :D

Brian B
10-23-2011, 10:29 PM
Because no one side ties on a $90k boat!!! :D

I made that mistake once on my 30K boat. A surfer came through our cove and lets just say, thats the LAST time I make that mistake!

Nick911
10-24-2011, 03:51 AM
So.......

Call me retarded but what's the strategy for tying on to a dock?

I've always put a bumper on the rear cleat, on the side cleat where it is widest, and then tie to the dock at those points...does this constitute a "side tie?"

Nick911
10-24-2011, 03:53 AM
Our set up is just a standard dock jutting out to the lake. The dock is a floating dock. I leave the boat on a buoy overnight.

CantRepeat
10-24-2011, 08:02 AM
So.......

Call me retarded but what's the strategy for tying on to a dock?

I've always put a bumper on the rear cleat, on the side cleat where it is widest, and then tie to the dock at those points...does this constitute a "side tie?"

I don't tie up to docks either. :D

Nick911
10-24-2011, 10:38 AM
I'll certainly be more careful with the new boat but you can only only baby it so much I guess.

As per my dealer, you use it for 3-4 years, let it get some dings, then custom wrap it.....shazaaam.....new boat again...!

CantRepeat
10-24-2011, 11:29 AM
I'll certainly be more careful with the new boat but you can only only baby it so much I guess.

As per my dealer, you use it for 3-4 years, let it get some dings, then custom wrap it.....shazaaam.....new boat again...!

I LIKE IT!!! :D

NatesGr8
10-24-2011, 12:00 PM
I can send you a PM if you are interested in the exact setup with the mods I've made. i'd be interested in the exact setup hemming dot nathan at gmail dot com Thanks!!! The sweetest surf wave we had was with 18 people loaded in the boat, 3 dogs, multiple coolers and a standup jetski on the swim platform. Sadly i didn't get to ride it, but two other guys on the boat did and it was monsterous!

scott023
10-24-2011, 02:13 PM
And, here are the options I chose to pass on ...

No Speed-based Volume Control
No Underwater Lighting
No Power Tower
No Tower Camera
No front ladderNo speakers, No Amp, No Lights
No tower lights (back)
No Hydraulic Steering
No SAT radio
No Heated Seats
No low profile wheels (trailer)
No Spare Tire (trailer)
No mid-ship cleats
No Plug n Play Ballast


They all look like good choices, except the ones I highlighted. The bow ladder is the cats meow in our boat, gets used all the time. The cleats at midship are a heck of a lof more useful than the bow cleats IMO. Spare is a spare, why not have on just in case?

EA2010
10-24-2011, 02:25 PM
I've spent a lot of time on my buddy's X-80 and we NEVER used the front ladder. All it does is get the bow sopping wet - and it's way more of a bizitch to get back into the boat from the front (especially after a few pops). We have a policy of towels-only on the swim deck and rear lounge, which keeps the majority of the boat dry.

I spent a lot of time asking about hydraulic steering and no one told me that it was absolutely required on a boat of this size. What are the benefits in your opinion? It's a $1500 option.

I don't plan to trailer the boat that often and I have CAA Gold Membership, which covers all roadside assistance. So, don't need the spare.

I plan to dock my X-25 using a boat lift - so cleats were not a big selling point for me.

scott023
10-24-2011, 02:30 PM
You're set then. Everyone needs/wants different things. The hydraulic steering is a big plus when it comes to the boats manueverability is tight spaces and low speeds.

EA2010
10-24-2011, 02:32 PM
Thanks, Scott. Probably see you on Sylvain come spring. I'll be keeping the boat in Calgary for May/June before heading out to the Okanagan ...

EA2010
10-28-2011, 07:55 PM
Finalized my X-25 order today and added mid-ship cleats and Zero Off.

Also went with the 6.0L Ilmor ...

peettee79
11-01-2011, 10:49 AM
Pretty sure any mc weighted correctly is enough of a wave for any one asking which mc throws the best wave!

Abw_X2
12-05-2011, 11:18 AM
Not X1! the x1 wake is to vertical, you dont get the wide wake with the curl. i have an x2 and the wake is wide with the ballast full but we still ahve trouble trying to get a nice curl i recommend the X25 or 45

Heelgrad
03-29-2012, 09:46 PM
Reading thru all these posts makes me want to go surfing...now. Don't know if I can handle another month of waiting for my 45. Killin' me.

MileHiGuy
04-01-2012, 11:44 PM
I have read through the post as well and no one has mentioned the X15. Can it surf well with a balast package? I do not mind giving up storage but I really want to make a boat surf well withoug having to walk or sit around tanks out in the open.

Sounds like MC thinks the new flag ship for surfing is the new X30. I have not seen enough wake pictures to think it is as stout as a Z3 Tige or a G23 CC but it does look like a well laid out boat.

93Prostar190
04-01-2012, 11:52 PM
I learned behind an X15, the tabs were very key and it was a great wake for me.

-V-
04-02-2012, 09:14 AM
anyone seen the wake behind the new 30?

CantRepeat
04-02-2012, 10:28 AM
anyone seen the wake behind the new 30?

I have not seen any photos or video yet. I would assume at some point we'll see Zane surfing it for a sales video.

JRW160
04-02-2012, 02:35 PM
Here are some x30 videos showing the surf wake
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYeIFrblcJg&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXh-VG_S-_M

CantRepeat
04-09-2012, 11:55 AM
Here are some x30 videos showing the surf wake
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYeIFrblcJg&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXh-VG_S-_M

That's pretty nice with only 700 lbs.