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Nick911
07-25-2011, 11:39 PM
Hey guys, new to the forum!

Question: Have outgrown by Monterey 194FS Stern Drive and am ready to get serious about wakeboarding and surfing. Am looking at the X15 as it is about the right size and as I ride on big water (Canada's Okanagan Valley) I really like the idea of the Deep V. So, I want a great wakeboard wake and a great surf wake, or, at least the best I can get with stock ballast. Am not opposed to going with extra sacs and prob will, but to me for $85K I should be able to drop a new boat in the water and get fantastic wakeboard wake and surf wake.

X-Star, X-15, X-25??? Am really leaning towards the X-15 but I've read on here some peeps had problems getting decent surfwakes.

willyt
07-26-2011, 12:24 AM
X25 all day long and twice on sundays. Will handle better in rough water, awesome surf wake, best stock wakeboard wake...

Trig2275
07-26-2011, 01:24 AM
I love my X-15 and wouldn't want anything else however it sounds like you are on bigger water than I so I would say X-25 for you. I also like to slalom some which is why I went with the 15. It's not the best for slalom but it works. The X-15 is arguably the most well rounded boat in the MC line up. It does everything well.

Nick911
07-26-2011, 02:01 AM
So for the extra cost is the 25 that much better? How much tweaking does the 15 really need for surfing? Another question: is the 350 enough jam for the 15 or should I look at the 400 engine?

FourFourty
07-26-2011, 08:21 AM
So for the extra cost is the 25 that much better? How much tweaking does the 15 really need for surfing? Another question: is the 350 enough jam for the 15 or should I look at the 400 engine?


If you are going to be in bigger water, yes, the X25 is worth it. It has a lot deeper V than the X15. And also has the best stock wakeboard wake of any MC. It isn't, however, a boat that you would want to slalom behind.....

I would say that the MCX or the 5.7l Ilmor has enough punch for the X15. A 6.0 wouldnt hurt though...... If you were going with the X25, I would get the 6.0l for sure. The X25 is a lot heavier boat than the X15 when it is at/near capacity.

My X25 has the 430hp 6.2l. It has plenty of power when fully loaded, but in all honesty, I think I would be doing fine with the 6.0l.

JohnE
07-26-2011, 09:44 AM
I love my X-15 and wouldn't want anything else however it sounds like you are on bigger water than I so I would say X-25 for you. I also like to slalom some which is why I went with the 15. It's not the best for slalom but it works. The X-15 is arguably the most well rounded boat in the MC line up. It does everything well.

I agree 100%

scott023
07-26-2011, 09:57 AM
The X15 would be a fantastic boat on Lake Okanogan.

Nick911
07-26-2011, 04:34 PM
Shuswap lake actually, but yes, I imagine it would. What about an X-Star? I am willing to sacrifice ride if the surf wake and wakeboarding wake is that much better.

willyt
07-26-2011, 04:44 PM
the wake will probably be better with a slammed out star - nobody's going to deny that, however you're sacrificing the ride in rough water, as well as a good surf wake for a marginally better wake with alot of weight. The X25 will have an amazing stock wake (the 2010 catalog itself will tell you the wakeboarding wake is second only to the star) with almost no weight (and well... i still havent needed to ride it slammed out).
25's going to be ALOT bigger in the inside as well - the star is pretty small considering its a 22ft 3 in boat inside. One thing i would worry about with the star is the super-low bow in rough water... its pretty difficult to drive and not get the bow-dwellers wet. 25 you'll never have to worry about that.

Now.... there is this rumor about a 2012 24ft 7in star... but you're dealer will have more information about that

lawdogg149
07-26-2011, 04:52 PM
I love my X-15. Surf wake is awesome with only a single added portside bag. I surfed 37 mins the other day no rope nothing. In choppy waters also. Boat is the most well rounded boat on the market. Should pickup a 2011 on closeout since the 2012s are coming. I bought my 2010 this year saved $25,000 off

swatguy
07-26-2011, 05:05 PM
I too say 15 or 25. As far as the X Star........no doubt it throws a perfect wakeboard wake that is unbeatable........ However that's it. The 15 and 25 both surf and ride better. The 15 also skis better. I have not spent much time in a 25. All of 2 days. However the 15 is my boat of choice. Love that thing. Just can't pull the trigger on an upgrade yet. You also get way more cockpit room in a 15 or 25. The X Star feels cramped compared to those boats.

stennes
07-26-2011, 05:09 PM
Hey guys, new to the forum!

Question: Have outgrown by Monterey 194FS Stern Drive and am ready to get serious about wakeboarding and surfing. Am looking at the X15 as it is about the right size and as I ride on big water (Canada's Okanagan Valley) I really like the idea of the Deep V. So, I want a great wakeboard wake and a great surf wake, or, at least the best I can get with stock ballast. Am not opposed to going with extra sacs and prob will, but to me for $85K I should be able to drop a new boat in the water and get fantastic wakeboard wake and surf wake.

X-Star, X-15, X-25??? Am really leaning towards the X-15 but I've read on here some peeps had problems getting decent surfwakes.

Living south of you (USA's Okanogan Valley), I would opt for the 25 based on what your wanting, I'm getting ready to upgrade from my X30, to a X45, I looked at the 25, 35 and settled with the fact, for my needs the 45, is the best all around boat for me. We like to pleasure use it also, on Rufus Woods, Roosevelt, and Lake Chelan. I like the added room, I also like the 25, 35, and 45's rough water traits far better, I felt I could give up a little wake in the trade off for a better do all boat. We have the boards stowed, when were out pleasure boating so you can get in, but if you get caught by our sometime sudden winds, you have a boat better suited for rougher water, and you have room to stow stuff out of the way.

scott023
07-26-2011, 05:11 PM
Shuswap lake actually, but yes, I imagine it would. What about an X-Star? I am willing to sacrifice ride if the surf wake and wakeboarding wake is that much better.

Surf wake on a Star is horrible IMO. Better all around boat with the X15. :twocents:

SkiDog
07-26-2011, 07:37 PM
Surf wake on a Star is horrible IMO. Better all around boat with the X15. :twocents:

Gotta agree with Scott on that one. X-star is made for ONE thing, wakeboarding! Nothing else.

ShawnB
07-26-2011, 08:14 PM
I would say at this point it might make sense to wait and see what the 2012 XStar is going to be before making a decision. If you really like the old XStar there should be plenty of them available once the new one is outed as well.

To this point the X25 has been great at everything we have asked it to do.

Nick911
07-26-2011, 09:16 PM
Thanks everyone for the input. I'll be sure to keep u posted and post pics of my new MC soon...!

Nick911
09-01-2011, 09:48 AM
So haven't bought a boat yet and with summer ending may wait until spring. Am leaning more and more towards the 25. Question: how come the 25 weighs 900 more pounds than the 15?

ShawnB
09-01-2011, 10:12 AM
So haven't bought a boat yet and with summer ending may wait until spring. Am leaning more and more towards the 25. Question: how come the 25 weighs 900 more pounds than the 15?

I would expect the 25 to be heavier because of the deeper V and the pickle-fork. More fiberglass, more weight. Just a guess though.

TxsRiverRat
09-01-2011, 11:12 AM
85k? wow - i think you could get a great boat and set up for 25k...

:eek:

Thrall
09-01-2011, 02:34 PM
So haven't bought a boat yet and with summer ending may wait until spring. Am leaning more and more towards the 25. Question: how come the 25 weighs 900 more pounds than the 15?

Must be quite a bit of the extra weight in the pickle fork becuase a X2 at 1'-8" shorter and 4" narrower than a X15 weighs 3500lbs vs 3575lbs for the X15.
Almost positive the xtra weight is up front because the X2 has considerably more tongue weight than the X15 on the same trailer. Also my X2 will not really porpoise until above 35mph when lightly loaded in the front and if I fill the kgb, it's like having a trim tab, it's solid up to top speed. The X15 will start porpoising at lower speeds without weight added to the front.
Would be interested to see how the X15 handles extra weight wrt ride height, water over the bow, etc vs the X25.
I know the X15 will handle ALOT more weight than the X2. Example, my X2 set to surf with port/kgb full, 400lb sac port front seat, 400lb sac port rear side floor and 800lbs of adults (mostly port side except driver) is really low in the bow and the port side of teh swim deck an easy 6" under water. Had to turn right to pick up a downed rider or water over the bow was inevitable in choppy water.
X15 loaded with port/kgb full (similar weight there), 2000# of sacs, similar configuration wrt weight bias, 600lbs of adults did not appear near as loaded down. Could trun both dir to pick up a rider, even run thru your own wave without hardly a drop of water over the bow.
Approx an extra 1000# in the X15 and it wasn't as slumped as the X2.
Both threw a great wave, but the X15 is better.

LYNRDSKYNRD
09-01-2011, 02:38 PM
I wish I had your problem of not being able to decide between an X-15 and X-25....COngrats on your good fortune sounds like the X-25 has the edge so far.

mikeg205
09-01-2011, 10:05 PM
don't forget to consider the tow vehicle and storage and GPH.. I like the x-15.....yeah I wish I had that problem too...

Nick911
09-01-2011, 11:28 PM
Yeah just seems like the 25 is that much more boat. I want to have decent surfwake too without a million pounds of ballast...

15 versus 25 not a bad problem haha I'd get the 35 or 45 if I didn't have to tow 3000 miles a year with my GMC Yukon.

bjames
09-01-2011, 11:44 PM
I have a 2011 X25 and love it for both wakeboarding and surfing. The interior of a 25 can be compared to other 24 footers in terms of space.

The wake board wake IMO is perfect, at 65 feet, the wake is clean (no wash) and rampy. Very easy to get some air.

To get a real good surf wake, I added the plug & play ballast. I found the perfect setting (for me) to fill rear tank and P&P bag only. This is with 1 person in the boat. This gives me a fairly large pocket and good size wave.

X25 all the way :)

Nick911
10-04-2011, 11:29 PM
Picked up a 2008 X15. Think I made the right choice....gonna be a great boat! Anyone know the stock ballast? I know it has 3 tanks, 2 side and 1 center, what's the weight in each (previous owner doesn't know)?

AZX45OD
10-05-2011, 12:27 AM
Congrats on your boat purchase. You will love it. I am sure you saved $$$ too over the X25. Enjoy.

AZX45OD
10-05-2011, 12:32 AM
My guess on the ballast is 1100#. 400 in the KGB and 350 in each of the rear corners.

ap77
10-05-2011, 02:33 AM
I read somewhere that it is 550 pounds in each of the rear corners. You think this info would be easier to find. Nice purchase!