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Frazby010
07-12-2011, 11:45 PM
I recently purchased an 02 X-star. Love it so far! I did however purchase it knowing it needed a few things fixed... First of all the two pumps to the rear ballast do not work. (After a little research I discovered this was common in this year boat b/c MC installed a few of the pumps upside down, thus causing the motor to burn up in them) The pump to the center ballast doesn't seem to work to well and the bag it goes to seems worn and leaky. (It's the yellow factory bag) I would classify myself as an intermediate rider who likes to ride with a little ballast but wants room to grow. I borrowed some fat sacs from a friend a 250lb in each rear locker and a 750lb I put in the center and fill about half full using a Tsunami pump. I am wanting to get my pumps fixed soon cause the whole filling process is rather annoying when I could just flip a switch and have it done...I am considering changing up the ballast...A friend suggested I take the hard tanks out of the back and install Fly High fat sacs in the back?

Can anyone tell me the optimal ballast set up for this boat?? Also a few more questions...

1) What is a good brand of ballast pumps to replace the factory ones with?
2) What is a good brand/size replacement for the sac that goes in the ski locker?
3) Leave the hard tanks in or take them out? Pros/cons??
4) If i take the hard tanks out what size sacs do I need to get?

Any help, suggestions, or opinions will be greatly appreciated!

G-Star
07-13-2011, 12:28 AM
Howdy. Nice boat ya got there :D... got pics?

Anyhow, I recently upgraded my ballast to a 750lb Fly High bag in each locker, kept the factory KGB (which is still in really good shape), and added a Fly High 650lb [max] Integrated Bow Sac (IBS) under the front seats. I also replaced my port ballast pump as I think it became a victim of being mounted "upside down". So, to answer your questions...

1. I bought a new Jabsco Ballast Puppy to replace the port pump which was weak. I swung the pump head around 180 degrees so I could mount the new pump unit pump-head down though, which should keep it dry and make it live longer.

2. The 750lb bags in the rear lockers fit well. You don't have to fill them all the way for wakeboarding if you don't want, but you have the option to for surfing. Pretty flexible setup.

3. Take them out. The 750s won't fit with the hard tanks in, and you gain a bunch of storage space by taking the hard tanks out (when the 750s are empty, at least). Also, the plumbing is a bit simpler on a single bag, rather than a tank/bag combo.

4. See above :D

Also, you'll want to upgrade the impellers in all your [Jabsco] ballast pumps to the green ones. In fact, that could be the reason your KGB and starboard ballast aren't filling/draining well.

Take a look at www.wakemakers.com for all the gear you're looking for. Check out their "tankbuster" kit for the rear lockers - comes with all the parts you need, and you get a good selection of bag sizes. I found their service beyond excellent. Give them a call, I'm sure they'll set you up with exactly what you're looking for... including something that will fit in the factory KGB location.

Hope this helps...

Frazby010
07-13-2011, 12:42 AM
G-star, awesome!!! Thanks for all the great info, I will def. be looking into that!

Frazby010
07-13-2011, 12:47 AM
[IMG]http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/5383/myboat.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/220/myboat.jpg/)

I need to take some more, but here is the best one I got. Taken the day I got her. :) She is in excellent shape, her previous owner took really good care of her...only had about 450 hours on her when I bought her. (This past May)

76S&S
07-13-2011, 08:51 AM
I'm running nearly the same setup as G-star, slightly smaller bags in the rear and I normally put an extra 350 lb sack in the floor as far to the front as possible.

JRW160
07-13-2011, 12:04 PM
With the 750s full, the integrated bow sack and kgb just aren't enough up front. I run with two 350lb sacs up front. One in the walkway and another on top across the bow seats.

G-star, when you flipped the pump around, did you just reverse the wiring at the switch?

wrobins1
07-13-2011, 12:27 PM
Has anyone tried the Johnson pumps? They appear to be direct replacement option for the Jabsco pumps and have a higher flow rate.

Frazby010 that is a beautiful boat! I have a yellow one (same year & model) that I brought about a year ago that needs a lot of work including 3 new ballast pumps but I love the boat.

76S&S
07-13-2011, 01:38 PM
wrobins - I have that boat except mine is solid yellow, no white on the bottom or deck.

G-Star
07-13-2011, 01:54 PM
With the 750s full, the integrated bow sack and kgb just aren't enough up front. I run with two 350lb sacs up front. One in the walkway and another on top across the bow seats.

G-star, when you flipped the pump around, did you just reverse the wiring at the switch?

No, I turned the pump upside down, and unscrewed the brass pump head from the motor turned the pump head 180 degrees and put the screws back in. This avoids any changes to wiring.

G-Star
07-13-2011, 02:00 PM
Has anyone tried the Johnson pumps? They appear to be direct replacement option for the Jabsco pumps and have a higher flow rate.

Frazby010 that is a beautiful boat! I have a yellow one (same year & model) that I brought about a year ago that needs a lot of work including 3 new ballast pumps but I love the boat.

wrobins - I have that boat except mine is solid yellow, no white on the bottom or deck.

Wow... lots of yellow '02 X-Stars. Here's mine... ;)

http://www.mastercraft.com/teamtalk/attachment.php?attachmentid=61585&stc=1&d=1283924405

wrobins1
07-13-2011, 02:06 PM
haha now that is just weird!! That one is A LOT BETTER SHAPE THAN my but almost identical my has the fiberglass swim platform.

JRW160
07-13-2011, 02:09 PM
No, I turned the pump upside down, and unscrewed the brass pump head from the motor turned the pump head 180 degrees and put the screws back in. This avoids any changes to wiring.
Makes sense. That never crossed my mind. I will have to do that soon. I need to get in there and replace the impellers anyway.

Smoothie
07-13-2011, 03:00 PM
I have the exact same boat well switch the colors. I bought a Johnson pump and its working great. It is noticeably faster than my jabscos'. The negative is they do not come with the green impellers. However think its still cheaper to buy the Johnson and Green impeller from wake makers. That way you have an extra impeller in case you do burn it up.

The other thing that will drive you nuts ESPECIALLY if you are filling 750s is you will only be able to fill one bag at a time because of the old manifold system. I have the 400s and was too painfull. Ended up putting in a through hull for each pump. Now everything full in 10 mins or less. I think wakemakers has a bigger manifold system if you wanted to do a big 2 inch through hull to a manifold you can.

Others are right even with the 400s in back I want more weight up front. I run 450 in lead in the nose and actually would like another sack in the walk way. That being said 400s in the back 300 kgb 450 in lead and the wake is super clean and nice. Good luck sorry to throw so much stuff out there but your really gonna wanna figure something out with the speed of filling unless you have 30 mins to fill and empty.

Smoothie
07-13-2011, 03:02 PM
Since I am spending your money your gonna need a new prop too.

JRW160
07-13-2011, 05:35 PM
Since I am spending your money your gonna need a new prop too.
I forgot to mention that. I could barely plane out with a 14x20. Planes great loaded out with a boat full of people with the 14.5x14.25.

The thru hull thing is annoying too. Probably takes me 30 minutes to fill running one pump at a time. I plan to just deal with it for the rest of the summer then add a couple more thru hulls over the winter.

Frazby010
09-11-2011, 08:08 PM
Alright guys, I finally got some pumps ordered! :) I ordered three of the Johnson Ultra Ballast Reversible ones from www.wakemakers.com (Those guys are very nice, knowledgeable, and helpful!)I decided to go with the Johnson ones instead of the Jabsco ones b/c they were cheaper and had a higher flow rate. I also ordered the integrated 650lb bow sac. I hope to get the 750lb bags and tankbuster kit over the winter months. I would like to try and install the pumps myself. Do any of you guys have any suggestions on the correct way to do this where I don't burn them motors up in them? G-star I saw where you posted about rotating yours? Do you have any photos of this or know of a place/thread where I can get some step-by-step instructions on how to install them? Any help would be greatly appreciated!!!

G-Star
09-13-2011, 11:23 AM
I flipped the port pump so it was water-side-down, so any water dripping off/out of the pump head didn't make it's way into the pump motor.

Here's a pic of my port pump.

http://www.mastercraft.com/teamtalk/attachment.php?attachmentid=70668&stc=1&d=1315927143

agarabaghi
09-13-2011, 11:38 AM
I would like to see pictures of the sac under the seat? I do not think you can get 650lbs in ballast under those seats...

76S&S
09-13-2011, 11:47 AM
^ I have the IBS, it will fill about 2/3rd's of the way. I use another bag in the front walkway to add more weight up front.

The nice thing about the IBS is that if you have a few extra peeps on board, you can put them up front (eliminating the walkway bag) and still have plenty of weight up there.

agarabaghi
09-13-2011, 11:52 AM
So this is the sack you have?
http://www.wakemakers.com/fly-high-integrated-bow-sac.html

So you think your getting ~400 - 450lbs in the nose with that?

Thats not to bad, I would be nice to be able to empty all the weight out.

I run about 15 pop product 40lbs steel bags which is ~600lbs in the nose. 2x 750 in the rear, and the center KGB

76S&S
09-13-2011, 01:02 PM
yes, that's it. I probably get ~400 in the IBS, plus a 300 in the front walkway, KGB and 450's in the rear lockers. Generaly 4 to 5 peeps on board.