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jwardenjr
06-27-2011, 06:15 PM
I have been looking at buying a new 2011 X-25 but I am concerned that the 2012 models are right arounfd the corner / Can anyone tell me when the 2012's are coming out.

sand2snow22
06-27-2011, 06:16 PM
Couple weeks.

TOO-TALL
06-27-2011, 06:17 PM
I heard no more X-1

jason95gt
06-27-2011, 06:23 PM
They usually go into production the second week of July.

captain planet
06-27-2011, 06:33 PM
I heard no more X-1

No more X-80 either. CSX's are also gone IIRC. Also, no more 4 point towers. They will all be either manual or power 2 point towers.

plunk77
06-27-2011, 06:48 PM
dang i like the look of the 4 point towers so much better

willyt
06-27-2011, 06:54 PM
i may be wrong, but i dont think you can get a 2011 anymore - production slots are all filled up.

indmar goes away too

mrhays9
06-27-2011, 07:03 PM
Anyone heard anything about illmor saltwater series motors (ops). I was also told that the 4 point tower will be going away. The x-2 is also getting a facelift.

brucemac
06-27-2011, 07:11 PM
i briefly saw a 2011 parks with a black power tower up close and personal (on the trailer) this weekend. holy cow it is incredibly menacing looking in person--in a good way. sad to hear about the 205V hull (assuming the rumor is true).

DemolitionMan
06-27-2011, 09:45 PM
CP have your source's said anything about the x65?

scott023
06-28-2011, 12:16 AM
Wow. No four point tower at all?:confused:

DemolitionMan
06-28-2011, 12:21 AM
Wow. No four point tower at all?:confused:

That is crazy.

captain planet
06-28-2011, 07:30 AM
CP have your source's said anything about the x65?

I haven't heard anything specific. I'm not a tower guy (if you couldn't tell), but no more 4 point towers was suprising.

aaron.
06-28-2011, 09:13 AM
Also, no more 4 point towers. They will all be either manual or power 2 point towers.

=( this makes me a sad boy, if true.

plunk77
06-28-2011, 10:59 AM
you think that they would at least leave it as an option. make the power tower the standard issue but still give the customer the option of having the 4 point tower.

helton333
06-28-2011, 11:32 AM
I am GLAD I have a MC I love (2003 205V S&S) and can afford - I know it gets a little dated every year, but I oddly love it more and more, the more these boats run up in price

agarabaghi
06-28-2011, 11:36 AM
confirmed no more X1. =(

oxberger
06-28-2011, 11:44 AM
No more CSX, I loved those things. I guess they didn't have enough interest to keep the line going. That's ok it'll give me the years needed for me to save up and find a used one.

Huskie05
06-28-2011, 12:08 PM
so where and how can we sneak a picture of the new X65, I have to see this boat.

jason95gt
06-28-2011, 01:53 PM
If you want the other tower, I think it can be done. GereMarie has the template so you would just be paying a premium for a V series boat and then putting the ZFT3 tower on it. There is no X-65. Now that they own Hydrasport, they have more than enough center console boats.

Eagle
06-28-2011, 02:07 PM
I also heard no X-1, and no four point towers -- only manual and power two point.

The CSX hull lives on with the X-25.

agarabaghi
06-28-2011, 02:09 PM
what is this 4 point tower?

Huskie05
06-28-2011, 02:24 PM
what is this 4 point tower?

not the power tower that touches the boat with two mounts. The 4 point tower has two mounts in the back, and twso forward facing mounts in the front, making 4 points.

bobx1
06-28-2011, 03:28 PM
I wonder if used X-1's will go up or down in value? One, I guess, could argue that they were great boats/hulls and they dont make them anymore (meaning go up in value) or they dont make that model anymore so it is "non-current" (meaning they go down in value) and thus becoming less poplular. Not familiar with the value history of great models/hulls that were discontinued.

Kind of shocked that they are dumping their entry level boat that is probably one of the best hulls ever to grace the water. Sure, it is relatively small but when weighted, it can sure throw an extremely nice wake and without weight, it can put a nice smile on a recreational skier.

Smoothie
06-28-2011, 03:48 PM
Here is my thought on that. Doubt the value will go up however, it will not depreciate as fast. People looking for a boat that is in its price range that can do the things the 205v hull can do is much larger than ones that can afford used anything else. Try and find a 205v hull model or even a CC 210 in the 20k - 35k range. They are not out there they get scooped up QUICK. I was told they are going to do a dressed down version of the X2 and make it their price point boat ala X1. I guess kind of like the Tige R20 and RZR. Same hull but one super blinged up with EVERYTHING and another basic. Mastercraft has zero desire to make boats for the average consumer which is fine. Pick your niche and run with it. If your average get a used boat after a 30% depreciation. IMHOP Axis has done a hell of a job now we have not seen what those boats will look like and run like in 3 to 5 years. So jury still out. I don't get dumping all the four point towers either. The power tower is expensive as hell. Did not know there was a non two point tower that MC makes. I don't blame them though tired of paying CC for the patent.


I wonder if used X-1's will go up or down in value? One, I guess, could argue that they were great boats/hulls and they dont make them anymore (meaning go up in value) or they dont make that model anymore so it is "non-current" (meaning they go down in value) and thus becoming less poplular. Not familiar with the value history of great models/hulls that were discontinued.

Kind of shocked that they are dumping their entry level boat that is probably one of the best hulls ever to grace the water. Sure, it is relatively small but when weighted, it can sure throw an extremely nice wake and without weight, it can put a nice smile on a recreational skier.

Plave
06-28-2011, 04:18 PM
Any news on the new x-star hull? There's been talk of it 2 years now.

Not surprised the range is being streamlined, both model and options wise.

deminimis
06-28-2011, 04:36 PM
Any news on the new x-star hull? There's been talk of it 2 years now.


I heard a new X-Star hull for 2012, but I don't know. They say "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" and the X-Star pickle fork is anything but broke, so not sure the philosophy on that one.

Smoothie
06-28-2011, 05:15 PM
I think it could use a few things. Out of all the super wake boats its the biggest gas hog. Yes I know people that can afford it can afford the gas. A bigger boat would be nicer for that price tag say 23 to 24 a wider beam. Also less bow area and make the cockpit area bigger shift everything forward a bit. Its actually small considering the size of the boat. Realistically could do most of that and keep the hull pretty much the same. Get a bit more bang for your buck guess you would make the old one the X2 with MC way of thinking. All these things might give it more room for hidden ballast in a plug n play system.

agarabaghi
06-28-2011, 05:26 PM
yikes... please dont make the xstar wider. the wake is already wide enough which is part of the reason you need 4000+ lbs to sac it out.

Then again im not a fan of either the x2 wake or the xstar wake...

FourFourty
06-28-2011, 05:43 PM
If you want the other tower, I think it can be done. GereMarie has the template so you would just be paying a premium for a V series boat and then putting the ZFT3 tower on it. There is no X-65. Now that they own Hydrasport, they have more than enough center console boats.

I think the thought on the X65 was that it would be the same type transformation as the csx 220 to the X25. As in, same hull, but the general seating arrangement of the rest of the X-boats. It wouldnt have been a center console.....

deminimis
06-28-2011, 05:43 PM
Out of all the super wake boats its the biggest gas hog. Yes I know people that can afford it can afford the gas.

Brutha, I take issue with that statement! I'm thinking O should release all the strategic oil for this Summer's boating season!! My monthly boating bill generally surpasses my mortgage and it definitely blows my boat payment out of the water. I need rich friends...with gas cards. That reminds me, now that The Nuggets are out of school, I should have them out collecting alumn cans to help pay for fuel. 'Tis a pig, that boat.

Huskie05
06-28-2011, 05:49 PM
Brutha, I take issue with that statement! I'm thinking O should release all the strategic oil for this Summer's boating season!! My monthly boating bill generally surpasses my mortgage and it definitely blows my boat payment out of the water. I need rich friends...with gas cards. That reminds me, now that The Nuggets are out of school, I should have them out collecting alumn cans to help pay for fuel. 'Tis a pig, that boat.

Do like I do, I have them comb the neighborhood stealing gas cans out of open garages at night.

vision
06-28-2011, 09:59 PM
I think it could use a few things. Out of all the super wake boats its the biggest gas hog. Yes I know people that can afford it can afford the gas. A bigger boat would be nicer for that price tag say 23 to 24 a wider beam. Also less bow area and make the cockpit area bigger shift everything forward a bit. Its actually small considering the size of the boat. Realistically could do most of that and keep the hull pretty much the same. Get a bit more bang for your buck guess you would make the old one the X2 with MC way of thinking. All these things might give it more room for hidden ballast in a plug n play system.

Agreed. More importantly, this is a 8 yr old hull. The pickle fork X-star was still a "ski" boat at heart. Sure, no one wants to ski behind it, but it is still a ski boat hull, albeit a lousy one.

Enter the modern hull of the x-25. Much more efficient at producing a nice shaped, large wake. Never intended to be a ski boat. I am thinking the new X-star is a stretched X-25 lower hull, but a very different top hull.

JohnE
06-28-2011, 11:31 PM
Agreed. More importantly, this is a 8 yr old hull. The pickle fork X-star was still a "ski" boat at heart. Sure, no one wants to ski behind it, but it is still a ski boat hull, albeit a lousy one.

Enter the modern hull of the x-25. Much more efficient at producing a nice shaped, large wake. Never intended to be a ski boat. I am thinking the new X-star is a stretched X-25 lower hull, but a very different top hull.

I may be confused, but if you are saying that that the 03 - 11 XStar hull is a ski boat at heart you are mistaken. This boat was the first boat MC ever designed from the outset to be a pure wakeboard boat. That was their intent, and to this day it is the best boarding wake out there. The X25 was derived from the CSX 220 hull which produced a surprisingly good boarding wake even to those at MC. The CSX wasn't designed to be a great boarding wake. But many felt that it was the 2nd best wake only to the XStar. So they tried to figure out what to do with the hull and developed the X25 with great success.

vision
06-29-2011, 01:22 AM
I may be confused, but if you are saying that that the 03 - 11 XStar hull is a ski boat at heart you are mistaken. This boat was the first boat MC ever designed from the outset to be a pure wakeboard boat. That was their intent, and to this day it is the best boarding wake out there. The X25 was derived from the CSX 220 hull which produced a surprisingly good boarding wake even to those at MC. The CSX wasn't designed to be a great boarding wake. But many felt that it was the 2nd best wake only to the XStar. So they tried to figure out what to do with the hull and developed the X25 with great success.

John E I see your point. But, I still say when mc started to design the pf x star they began by staring the bottom of the 205v and said how can we make the wake better. Not a ski boat, but designed from ski boat point of view. However, the cs220 hull was as you indicated not designed as an extension of a ski boat, but a small boat with a hull for rough water.

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06-29-2011, 05:20 AM
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JohnE
06-29-2011, 09:06 AM
John E I see your point. But, I still say when mc started to design the pf x star they began by staring the bottom of the 205v and said how can we make the wake better. Not a ski boat, but designed from ski boat point of view. However, the cs220 hull was as you indicated not designed as an extension of a ski boat, but a small boat with a hull for rough water.

In talking with Norm Krauss (NE vp of sales) he indicated that it was designed completely and solely to make the best boarding hull possible. Not one bit of ski boat point of view.

MIskier
06-29-2011, 09:31 AM
John is right there is nothing in the AP-1 x-star hull that is based off the 205V hull, current hull was a clean sheet design.

agarabaghi
06-29-2011, 09:35 AM
I don't think they even looked at the 205V hull to make the xstar hull. If you look at them side by side they dont look similar at all.

Smoothie
06-29-2011, 11:16 AM
Sorry man meant that in jest. Every time I hear someone complaining about how much of a fuel hog it is the typical response I see is that. Which I too think is CRAP. However there may be some hope. Travis Moye of the boarding school posted this picture from his new X Star with this following quote. "25 mph, 4000lbs + 5 people, 3700 rpm's. That's what the new TZ-X5 prop will do for you!" Thats the new 5 blade prop from OJ that I just saw in wakeboarding magazine.

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/269757_10150359508003219_515513218_10123481_310874 0_n.jpg


Brutha, I take issue with that statement! I'm thinking O should release all the strategic oil for this Summer's boating season!! My monthly boating bill generally surpasses my mortgage and it definitely blows my boat payment out of the water. I need rich friends...with gas cards. That reminds me, now that The Nuggets are out of school, I should have them out collecting alumn cans to help pay for fuel. 'Tis a pig, that boat.

deminimis
06-29-2011, 11:24 AM
I knew you were playing, Smoothie. No worries.

Smoothie
06-29-2011, 11:58 AM
That prop looks promising.

jimmies1
06-29-2011, 12:03 PM
There will be a new X-Star. Pretty sure its gonna be released for the 2012 model year, but at the latest 2013. It will be a bigger boat. The X80s are no longer available. There will be a boat to replace the x80, but it wont be released until 2014 at the earliest.

deminimis
06-29-2011, 01:39 PM
That prop looks promising.

I'm happy to help them in their real world R&D this Summer, should they need it.

east tx skier
06-29-2011, 01:48 PM
I heard they are bringing back the 205 DD.












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Just kidding. ;)


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absolutezero
06-29-2011, 11:55 PM
after seeing the power tower, I'm pumped that they are going all 2 point towers, one manual and the other power.

also, while I won't be purchasing one, I'm interested to see what they do with the X Star. In my mind, the X25 is so good that the X Star has become an even smaller niche boat. I say go crazy with it.

It's too bad about the X1.

Overall I'm excited to see what MC comes out with in 2012.

mccobmd
06-30-2011, 12:54 AM
I understand times change but I was out this weekend skiing, boarding and surfing my x1. Did all three extremely well. Guess I'll have to hold on to my classic.

Plave
06-30-2011, 05:29 AM
So I hear there will be 3 variants of tower, all two point. The X-Star as expected will be extended by 1.5 feet.

absolutezero
06-30-2011, 10:00 AM
I understand times change but I was out this weekend skiing, boarding and surfing my x1. Did all three extremely well. Guess I'll have to hold on to my classic.

Isn't the X15 a boat that does all three pretty well too?

JohnE
06-30-2011, 10:11 AM
Isn't the X15 a boat that does all three pretty well too?

Absolutely, just at a higher price. But you also get a lot more room and better rough water ride. X15 probably surfs and boards better than X1 and X1 ski's a bit better.

CantRepeat
06-30-2011, 10:19 AM
So I hear there will be 3 variants of tower, all two point. The X-Star as expected will be extended by 1.5 feet.

And now will come with a very large sticker in the bow that says, don't put all 12 people up here dumb@ss. :mad:

plunk77
06-30-2011, 10:49 AM
So I hear there will be 3 variants of tower, all two point. The X-Star as expected will be extended by 1.5 feet.

manual, power, and what else?

plunk77
06-30-2011, 10:50 AM
And now will come with a very large sticker in the bow that says, don't put all 12 people up here dumb@ss. :mad:

did you see the mastercraft "boating safety" youtube video?

captain planet
06-30-2011, 12:35 PM
So I hear there will be 3 variants of tower, all two point. The X-Star as expected will be extended by 1.5 feet.

And from whom are you hearing this?

agarabaghi
06-30-2011, 12:51 PM
And from whom are you hearing this?

I can verify as well.

captain planet
06-30-2011, 01:27 PM
I can verify as well.

For 2012?.......

east tx skier
06-30-2011, 01:33 PM
And now will come with a very large sticker in the bow that says, don't put all 12 people up here dumb@ss. :mad:

Too bad. I was hoping they would respond by just eliminating open bows altogether. ;)

CantRepeat
06-30-2011, 01:37 PM
Too bad. I was hoping they would respond by just eliminating open bows altogether. ;)

It's on the whiteboard right now!

Plave
06-30-2011, 04:35 PM
For 2012?.......

Yup, for 2012

plunk77
06-30-2011, 04:53 PM
whats the 3rd variant of the tower?

captain planet
06-30-2011, 05:06 PM
Yup, for 2012

It would appear that I need to "lean" on my source a little and let him know me finding out information like this on TT is unacceptable. :( I am supposed to know first.....THEN you guys. ;)

agarabaghi
06-30-2011, 06:27 PM
my source is better than your source.

Forrest-X45
06-30-2011, 07:09 PM
What about engines? What have your "sources" said about Ilmor's top performer? More power from the current 6.2? Or supercharge the 6.2 like the Indmar LSA? I heard a rumor they were going to stay away from a supercharger, just wondering what others have heard.

jason95gt
06-30-2011, 07:48 PM
Supercharger bad... More power from Ilmor good...

vision
06-30-2011, 08:59 PM
What about engines? What have your "sources" said about Ilmor's top performer? More power from the current 6.2? Or supercharge the 6.2 like the Indmar LSA? I heard a rumor they were going to stay away from a supercharger, just wondering what others have heard.

I heard there will be an option for a close to 600hp, naturally aspirated engine.

Huskie05
06-30-2011, 11:43 PM
Supercharger bad... More power from Ilmor good...

My son was behind an x45 today that had the 6.2 ilmor, both him and the guy from MC said it was not even close to the power and hole shot of the LSA.

i have the LSA, supercharger is all worked out, we have 35 hours on the boat now, no issues, time will tell in the long run, but seems to be very solid...
fingers crossed.

Plave
07-01-2011, 03:02 AM
whats the 3rd variant of the tower?

I'm guessing at fixed, manual fold, power fold.

Holman J.B.F
07-01-2011, 04:18 AM
Travis Moye of the boarding school posted this picture from his new X Star with this following quote. "25 mph, 4000lbs + 5 people, 3700 rpm's. That's what the new TZ-X5 prop will do for you!" Thats the new 5 blade prop from OJ that I just saw in wakeboarding magazine.

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/269757_10150359508003219_515513218_10123481_310874 0_n.jpg

anybody know where to find some more info about this prop?

captain planet
07-01-2011, 07:31 AM
my source is better than your source.

I doubt it.

Iskidaily
07-01-2011, 08:24 AM
Gotta figure out who will be buying me one of these.... Love my '02 X-Star, but this thread is giving me a wandering eye

MattsCraft
07-01-2011, 10:09 AM
I was on an X25 last weekend with the 6.2 ilmor, man this engine just puurss at 3000 RPM, and when you open her up, all I can say is wow. Pulling up a surfer, you had to be very easy on the throttle as it could jerk them right out of the water, so I don't think hole shot is an issue. Persons boat will remain un-named but he said the 6.2 is burning only 5-6 gallons/hour on the 25. This is way better than I get on my MCX/X2!

Pretty sure on the towers like today you have 3 options, base, upgraded with clamping racks and power, all 2 point. Follow the times, every other boat manuf. has gone to 2 point for the most part.

sully
07-01-2011, 11:06 AM
Too bad. I was hoping they would respond by just eliminating open bows altogether. ;)

I would love to have a closed bow X14!!

jason95gt
07-01-2011, 01:10 PM
I guess the 3 options would be: mini tower on 197, Manual 2 point with non swiveling and swiveling clamping racks and the power tower.

snork
07-01-2011, 01:18 PM
I guess the 3 options would be: mini tower on 197, Manual 2 point with non swiveling and swiveling clamping racks and the power tower.

interesting two point "mini tower"

Forrest-X45
07-01-2011, 01:29 PM
anybody know where to find some more info about this prop?

Give Eric a call at OJ Props - http://www.ojprops.com/contact_us

tph
07-01-2011, 01:57 PM
Too bad. I was hoping they would respond by just eliminating open bows altogether. ;)


Just this last weekend, at our lake, a couple in a bowrider was busy trying to get their daughter up on skis. Dad's driving, mom is watching/coaching/encouraging, and the other kids are in the bow. One of those kids decides to hang off of the bow in an attempt to touch the water with his hand while the boat is in gear moving forward. I don't think either parent noticed. The boy finally pulled himself back in the boat.

Scenes like that make me glad that we had a closed bow while the kids were young.

Justjoe
07-01-2011, 06:27 PM
Probably just leave everybody on the dock except for the driver, spotter, an skier.

Seriously. Are you retarded? That's not an issue with open or closed bow, that's an issue with poor decision making.

CantRepeat
07-01-2011, 06:39 PM
Probably just leave everybody on the dock except for the driver, spotter, an skier.

Seriously. Are you retarded? That's not an issue with open or closed bow, that's an issue with poor decision making.

Are you? :confused: :rolleyes:

Justjoe
07-01-2011, 07:37 PM
Is this different than a crap load of people in the bow?

KnoxX2
07-01-2011, 09:37 PM
It would appear that I need to "lean" on my source a little and let him know me finding out information like this on TT is unacceptable. :( I am supposed to know first.....THEN you guys. ;)

I am with your source and I knew! He says you need to send him alot of beer to get back in the know!!!!!!!:D;) Worked for me!!!