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bfinley
07-25-2005, 04:42 PM
I've seen some great pictures on this site. I'm looking for a new digital camera that will work for nice action shots. I'm sick of the 3 second delay between when you hit the button and when it actually takes the picture. Any suggestions?? I currently have a Canon Digital Elph, about 4 years old.

milkmania
07-25-2005, 04:50 PM
Fujifilm S7000

you can take mutiple shots, then it stores them when you relaease the button

great macro settings also!

BriEOD
07-25-2005, 04:50 PM
I have a Canon Digital Rebel SLR and that thing rocks! It takes sweet pictues.

3event
07-25-2005, 04:54 PM
I have the same problem with our Canon S40. If you get handy with the focus lock (push shutter halfway) you can lock it in, then push all the way at the right moment. But that's still pretty clumsy and not easy unless the boat is riding smooth..... I used to shoot 35mm SLRs and have a couple friends who bought the Canon EOS Digital Rebel cameras and got some very nice shots. If you are willing to lug the bigger camera, it's nice - and the prior generation 6.3MP version is reasonable $, the newer model is now 8MP. If I had more time to use it, I would be trying this thing out.

What is everyone else using out on the boat?

For evaluating form, technique, and general amusement, a digital camcorder is pretty fun if you can get one of your ski pals to get half good at it - some of the editing software is pretty nice - I use Pinnacle Studio.... You can also get frame grabs (stills) off the video , but resolution is very low.

maristarman
07-25-2005, 04:54 PM
I have a Canon Digital Rebel SLR and that thing rocks! It takes sweet pictues.


Ditto, and it can handle three pics per second (but then there's a delay while it writes to memory device.

milkmania
07-25-2005, 04:55 PM
this pic was at the end of a rope!

http://www.writeonrice.com/3226.jpg

milkmania
07-25-2005, 05:03 PM
don't know what kind of action shots you are taking, but I once stood of my son on a swing, and was able to hold the camera button down, and get shots of him swinging all the way through. the images were then resized and put together

check this link
http://www.tmcowners.com/teamtalk/showthread.php?t=1699&highlight=s7000
(http://www.tmcowners.com/teamtalk/showthread.php?t=1699&highlight=s7000)
the fujifilm S7000 is capable of 12+ MP!

he's an action shot.....
warning: LARGE file....4.5 mb
oops, grabbed the wrong one.
here's the one I wanted you to see http://www.writeonrice.com/1942.jpg

stevo137
07-25-2005, 05:07 PM
How are you able to post such a large file without resizing?

BriEOD
07-25-2005, 05:08 PM
I was thinking the same thing.

milkmania
07-25-2005, 05:09 PM
I'm "hosting" it

not TMC

*edit:
I could have posted the 1942.jpg image but it would have killed this thread!
that's why I linked it..... for the dial-up customers;)

BriEOD
07-25-2005, 05:11 PM
gotcha......

SteveO
07-25-2005, 05:16 PM
I have a 5 meg Cannon, G5 I think, which is okay. If I were getting a new one, I would buy the Digital SLR. The delay on the "normal", smaller digitals sometime drive me nuts. Milk I hope you know the gentleman on the smoker behind your rider otherwise I'd be ready to have a few words with anyone on a device that close to me.

milkmania
07-25-2005, 05:16 PM
gotcha......

see how close the danged smokers get!!!
this guy was old enough to know better too:rant::rant::rant:

milkmania
07-25-2005, 05:17 PM
Milk I hope you know the gentleman on the smoker behind your rider otherwise I'd be ready to have a few words with anyone on a device that close to me.

no, I did not know him, and yes he made me furious!

and he wasn't hot dogging like the younger crowd

bigmac
07-25-2005, 05:27 PM
I've seen some great pictures on this site. I'm looking for a new digital camera that will work for nice action shots. I'm sick of the 3 second delay between when you hit the button and when it actually takes the picture. Any suggestions?? I currently have a Canon Digital Elph, about 4 years old.

The problem with the digital point-and-shoot cameras is that the video mode they use to capture the still image means that autofocus, exposure and shutter all have to be done when the button is pressed. They have more noise and the lenses are of substantially lower quality. If you're looking for NO shutter lag, then you're looking at a digital SLR. The Canon Digital Rebel or the Nikon D50 are the entry points in that bracket. The images they are capable of are in an entirely different league than any of the point&shoot digital cameras. you can wrap up a lot of money in cameras and lenses - thousands of $$$.

These images (http://www.pbase.com/hmac/thursday_morning) and these images (http://www.pbase.com/hmac/water_stuff) were shot from a bouncing boat with a Nikon D2H and a 70-200 telephoto zoom lens.

Note that these digital SLR cameras won't fit in your pocket. You'd be trading image quality for convenience.

MasterCrafting
07-25-2005, 05:44 PM
I use a Sony F-707...more or less an SLR some people say it is, others say it isnt. Fun camera, it does an awasome job, it's getting older though, and the Digital Rebel has passed it up.

bucky
07-25-2005, 05:57 PM
My next camera will be the canon, but at ~$1000 plus lenses, it will wait till my next vacation payout.
The hot setup for birding (those little suckers can move!) is the panasonic lumix dmc (http://www.adorama.com/IPCDMCFZ5.html). It has 5Mp, a good quality leica 12x optical zoom lens, and image stabilization, which makes all the difference on action shots. I'm afraid it's like most other cameras, in that you are limited to 3 or 5 quick shots or 1 shot, then the delay while the camera stores the images. The image stabilizer sure helps get the shot, though. There seem to be a range of these cameras, but I was only told about the lowest cost camera. Good hunting.

The problem with the digital point-and-shoot cameras is that the video mode they use to capture the still image means that autofocus, exposure and shutter all have to be done when the button is pressed. They have more noise and the lenses are of substantially lower quality. If you're looking for NO shutter lag, then you're looking at a digital SLR. The Canon Digital Rebel or the Nikon D50 are the entry points in that bracket. The images they are capable of are in an entirely different league than any of the point&shoot digital cameras. you can wrap up a lot of money in cameras and lenses - thousands of $$$.

These images (http://www.pbase.com/hmac/thursday_morning) and these images (http://www.pbase.com/hmac/water_stuff) were shot from a bouncing boat with a Nikon D2H and a 70-200 telephoto zoom lens.

Note that these digital SLR cameras won't fit in your pocket. You'd be trading image quality for convenience.

Scot
07-25-2005, 06:24 PM
These images (http://www.pbase.com/hmac/thursday_morning) and these images (http://www.pbase.com/hmac/water_stuff) were shot from a bouncing boat with a Nikon D2H and a 70-200 telephoto zoom lens.

Search no further.... without a doubt one of the best set ups you can buy.... for a drive out price of what... 5k for the body? And if that is a 2.8 zoom, another couple gur?... the pics tell the story... say no more...

I am a Nikon biggit for the same reason I'm a MC biggit.... In the end, they are the best, and the vast majority of professionals that use them can't settle for second best...

I have us a Nikon N70 with a (shame on me), a Tamron 28-200 zoom. It was in my price range at the time of purchase. The 28-200 lens is the most vesatile lens you can get... You basically never have to change lens... But you give up a little quality. I also carry a Nikon digital point and shoot for casual portraits.. I have my eye on the low end Nikon D series and a new 80-200 2.8 lens.... Maybe santa will bring me one....

bigmac
07-25-2005, 06:27 PM
My next camera will be the canon, but at ~$1000 plus lenses, it will wait till my next vacation payout.
The hot setup for birding (those little suckers can move!) is the panasonic lumix dmc (http://www.adorama.com/IPCDMCFZ5.html). It has 5Mp, a good quality leica 12x optical zoom lens, and image stabilization, which makes all the difference on action shots. I'm afraid it's like most other cameras, in that you are limited to 3 or 5 quick shots or 1 shot, then the delay while the camera stores the images. The image stabilizer sure helps get the shot, though. There seem to be a range of these cameras, but I was only told about the lowest cost camera. Good hunting.

Image stabilization won't do anything for action shots except in low light situations. It's sole purpose is to eliminate blurred images due to camera shake, which is only a problem at low shutter speeds. If you're shooting in sunlight or anywhere at shutter speeds over 1/120th second, image stabilization won't do you any good. IS has nothing to do with the motion of the subject. Also note the typical bouncing you get in a boat pulling a water skier is of too high a frequency for image stabilization to do any good. The links to some of my images I quoted above were shot with an image stabilized lens, but I had it turned off.

The New Panasonic cameras are quite good, but also be aware that the shutter lag remains a problem. The FZ5 has a 1 second lag shot-to-shot, and a 1 second lag from full-press to shot. And it has a 3.1 second lag from power on to first shot. And these are the best times, not taking into account the time it takes if you're going to zoom the lens or use flash.

yzwiley
07-25-2005, 06:40 PM
I shoot with a Nikon D70. It's a great digi SLR. Most ever pic that I've posted on this site was captured with that camera.


http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b315/yzwiley/June26/DSC_0231.jpg

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b315/yzwiley/June26/DSC_0230sm.jpg

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b315/yzwiley/June26/DSC_0122.jpg

bigmac
07-25-2005, 06:40 PM
These images (http://www.pbase.com/hmac/thursday_morning) and these images (http://www.pbase.com/hmac/water_stuff) were shot from a bouncing boat with a Nikon D2H and a 70-200 telephoto zoom lens

Search no further.... without a doubt one of the best set ups you can buy.... for a drive out price of what... 5k for the body? And if that is a 2.8 zoom, another couple gur?... the pics tell the story... say no more...

I am a Nikon biggit for the same reason I'm a MC biggit.... In the end, they are the best, and the vast majority of professionals that use them can't settle for second best...



Yes, the 70-200VR f/2.8 is a fantastic lens, but at that level things get pretty pricey, not to mention heavy. That camera and that lens weigh more than 5 1/2 pounds.

John B
07-25-2005, 07:52 PM
Nikon D70 for me too. :D

bigmac
07-25-2005, 08:42 PM
Nikon D70 for me too. :D
Great shots!

What lens?

jimmer2880
07-26-2005, 07:17 AM
Nikon D70 for me too. :D

Those are simply amazing shots! Awsome quality!

captkidd
07-26-2005, 12:28 PM
You're just showing off your skiing ability ;) .

Of course, if I could ski like that I would too. You rip John!

sizzler
07-26-2005, 12:55 PM
canon rebel for me.......

great pics john

gr8smiles
07-26-2005, 12:59 PM
I am also a Nikon guy....I shoot with a D2H and the 70-200 zoom. I also use a polarizer. I have a Fuji S2 Pro that I use at work, but the Nikon gets 8 frames per second....that rocks

Yes, it is pricey....but it will last a lifetime and the shots will be pro-quality.

bigmac
07-26-2005, 01:25 PM
I am also a Nikon guy....I shoot with a D2H and the 70-200 zoom. I also use a polarizer. I have a Fuji S2 Pro that I use at work, but the Nikon gets 8 frames per second....that rocks

Yes, it is pricey....but it will last a lifetime and the shots will be pro-quality.

I have an S2 Pro too. It's a great camera if you have time to fiddle, but it's pretty much useless as an action camera. 2.5 fps, tiny buffer, and dodgy autofocus acquisition. I love the D2H at 4 megapixels - write time are blazingly fast, and post-processing is convenient with smaller file sizes.

Dell
07-26-2005, 01:40 PM
I can't remember the model, but here a a couple of shots with a camera that a friend of mine bought at Sam's Club. I think she gave between 350-400$ for. It sure beat the heck out of my Cannon S500. They were taken from the back of my boat at full line. Sorry my computor skills can't get me to get them any larger. The model is kodak dx7590.

gr8smiles
07-26-2005, 01:47 PM
I am a dentist. I use the Fiji S2 for all my before/after cosmetic shots. You are right on the action shots...the D2H is the 'bomb'

gr8smiles
07-26-2005, 01:52 PM
Here is my son on a 'back-roll'

Nikon D2H
Nikon 70-200 2.8

gr8smiles
07-26-2005, 01:54 PM
Me..this time....no laughs please :D

bigmac
07-26-2005, 01:58 PM
I am a dentist. I use the Fiji S2 for all my before/after cosmetic shots. You are right on the action shots...the D2H is the 'bomb'

I'm a surgeon, we use the S2 Pro for medical stuff too. It works well. TTL with an SB29 ring flash, and a good macro lens....

gr8smiles
07-26-2005, 02:24 PM
Isn't great to be able to bring your work toys home...... :)

yzwiley
07-26-2005, 02:47 PM
Nice shots Smiles. It's good to see this thread head the right direction now.

For lenses I use a 35-105 and a 70-200. Both Nikkor lenses. I can only hope my next camera will be the D2H or something comparable, but for now the D70 will teach me plenty.

These are my first attempts to shoot at a slower shutter speed where I was trying to capture something a little different. I'm learning a lot right now.

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b315/yzwiley/July23/DSC_0035sm.jpg

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b315/yzwiley/July23/DSC_0038sm.jpg

6ballsisall
07-27-2005, 11:17 PM
I am looking to replace my Kodak Easyshare CX4230 it seems to be acting up and with the new baby I don't want to miss out on any good shots I want to remember forever! :love:
I would really like to not spend more than $500 if possible but would like something quality that can also double well for some skiing and action shots. Those SLR cameras sound really nice but I just cant see myself shelling out that kinda dough. Any advice?

Young Timer
07-27-2005, 11:52 PM
Nice shots gr8smiles. Maybe you already knew this. Did you see the thread on the Wakeboard site where guy hacked his thumb on those cut outs on the side of the board. Did a grab, fell and hand got pushed through the cutout.

Me..this time....no laughs please :D

gr8smiles
07-28-2005, 12:33 AM
Nice shots gr8smiles. Maybe you already knew this. Did you see the thread on the Wakeboard site where guy hacked his thumb on those cut outs on the side of the board. Did a grab, fell and hand got pushed through the cutout.


Don't worry 'bout my hands dude...at 42, I am glad that I can reach down to tighten my boots....much less grab the board....it takes both hands on the handle at all times for me....you don't even want to know what it looked like when I tried a tantrum... :smile:

John B
07-28-2005, 03:10 PM
Great shots!

What lens?
The lens is a 70-300 ED Nikkor.
It's not my camera it is a friends
He is one of those camera nuts.
He is one of the x-ray techs. at the local hospital.

east tx skier
07-28-2005, 03:33 PM
jrandol, I've got a canon digital elph that does me fine for those snapshot moments. I've taken some decent ski pictures with it, but it's mostly been luck on that end of things. Not a whole lot in between of which I'm aware.

6ballsisall
07-28-2005, 09:57 PM
All:

I just bought a Canon Powershot S2 IS. Did I do good? I haven't opened it up and don't want to pay the 15% restocking fee if it won't work out good. Big reasons I want to replace my Kodak CX4230 is:

1. No photo shoot delay (in the store this one seemed to have about .5 seconds or less, is that good?)
2. This is 5 megapixel. Is that enough if I ever wanted to take a photo and make like a 12 x 18 photo out of it, will that work?
3. How will it handle action shots (skiing)

I liked the SLR's but couldn't bring my cheap arse to fork out the dough and frankly all those gadgets intimidated me a little.

maristarman
07-28-2005, 11:05 PM
I've always found these reviews on this site to be pretty helpful.

Here's the one for the camera you bought.

http://www.steves-digicams.com/2005_reviews/s2is.html

east tx skier
07-28-2005, 11:10 PM
All:

I just bought a Canon Powershot S2 IS. Did I do good? I haven't opened it up and don't want to pay the 15% restocking fee if it won't work out good. Big reasons I want to replace my Kodak CX4230 is:

1. No photo shoot delay (in the store this one seemed to have about .5 seconds or less, is that good?)
2. This is 5 megapixel. Is that enough if I ever wanted to take a photo and make like a 12 x 18 photo out of it, will that work?
3. How will it handle action shots (skiing)

I liked the SLR's but couldn't bring my cheap arse to fork out the dough and frankly all those gadgets intimidated me a little.

I think you did really good. When I was comparing point and shoot digital cameras a year or so ago, I went with the elph (basically same camera you got in a smaller package). I found canon to have the best color rendering software (made up term) compared to the other brands in my price range. I've been really happy with it. As for ski shots, the two things with which you have to contend will be optical zoom and shutter speed. Forget digital zoom. It's basically an overglorified cropping feature. Just turn it off.

As for skiing, it's a point and shoot camera. So just zoom in as much as you can without going to digizoom, point, and shoot. If you miss, go again. It's digital afterall.

5 megapixels will be plenty for snapshots up to 8x10 (maybe more). I've been pleased as can be with 4 mpxls.