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agarabaghi
06-21-2011, 07:49 AM
Here is out surf wake...

750 in locker, and 1 person + driver.

and yes, i came back from it...

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DemolitionMan
06-21-2011, 08:57 AM
That looks pretty good.

kdr
06-21-2011, 09:01 AM
I don't have pics, but my usual setup is a 750 in the starboard rear locker, center ballast full, about 150 lbs of lead in the starboard side bow, 150 lbs lead behind driver, a 300 lb fatsac behind driver, one of those fatsac cubes on the rear seat, and maybe an additional 300 lb sac about 1/2 full on top of the other 300 lb sac., just the driver in the boat. I'll adjust the weight as needed when passengers are on board.

agarabaghi
06-21-2011, 09:04 AM
ha sounds like wake too much work for surfing... that would mean i'd have to move everything back to wakeboard lol

kdr
06-21-2011, 11:55 AM
With all the practice I've had, I can get it back to wakeboard setup pretty quick.

It's fill the port sac, let some water out of the starboard sac, move the lead behind the driver back to the port side bow, let a little water out of the 300 lb sac and drag it to the bow, drag the 1/2 empty sac to the bow, use the cube to offset the driver and I'm good to go. Sounds like a lot, but I am always waiting on the rear bags to fill.

agarabaghi
06-21-2011, 11:56 AM
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kevkan
06-21-2011, 01:37 PM
agarabaghi:

Tell me more about your setup. Did you take the hard tank out to put the 750 in? Is the 750 plumbed or do you use a tsunami pump or something? No weight in front, or just the KGB?

agarabaghi
06-21-2011, 01:48 PM
i took the hard tanks out and plumbed in the 750 to the original system. In the front i usually have 520 lbs of lead and the kgb. So for wakeboarding is (2) 750 (1) 370 all sacs and 520 in lead. But for surfing, i took out all the lead, and only had the back 750 full. We had a lot of people on the boat that weekend and we were not going to ride.

X-1Texas
06-23-2011, 12:47 AM
I had a great surf run tonight (07 X1) with a 120 lb. driver and 300 lb. passenger sitting on the back corner with his feet on the platform. I've removed the hard tanks and plumbed in 400 lb. v-drive sacs in the lockers and a 370 lb. bag in the center ski locker. No lead weight yet.

I was surprised how well we got it to work with only one other person in the boat with us.

What kind of boards are you guys using? I have a Liquid Force Venture 5' 6". I was thinking about getting another board someday.

agarabaghi
06-23-2011, 07:47 AM
I use my friends Ronix Koal 5.0

I have no clue about wakesurfers but this one does seem to wanna nose dive pretty easily...

kevkan
06-23-2011, 11:47 AM
Tex: Got any pictures of that wake, with that setup? Also, are you running stock prop? Your setup might be a little better than the setup I have been considering. I want enough weight for decent surf, but I don't want to sink to low, or burn a ton of fuel.

That Ronix Koal is a nice board, and easy to surf, but I don't think it is recommended for the board rack. I think it can get dented. We demo'd one, but went with a hyperlite that is thinner, and isn't a problem with the racks.

agarabaghi
06-23-2011, 11:54 AM
Very was dented. We leave it at the house until we are ready to surf.

76S&S
06-23-2011, 12:26 PM
agarabaghi, what speed do you run and it also looks like you are in a slight turn?

agarabaghi
06-23-2011, 01:18 PM
Yea, slight turn to the left for me, about 9.5 - 9.8 on the pp

X-1Texas
06-23-2011, 01:48 PM
I'll have to check my girlfriend's iphone, I think they may have taken some pics last night. Didn't have as clean of curl as usual, but it was working really well. Was able to drop back pretty far and still recover. We were going 10.0-10.2 mph last night. Sometimes we do a slight left turn also.

Anyone have any luck getting a good surf wake on the starboard side? My girlfriend rides goofy and isn't having much success.

I have the Acme 1479 prop.

bobx1
06-23-2011, 01:56 PM
.....passenger sitting on the back corner with his feet on the platform.....

FWIW.....If he was sitting on the sunpad then keep an eye out for the water cops. Sitting on the sunpad while underway is illeagal in my state.

agarabaghi
06-23-2011, 02:11 PM
We get a perfectly good wake on both sides. I just swap which 750 is filled. and leave the lead in the nose.

X-1Texas
06-23-2011, 02:55 PM
So do you leave the side you're not surfing on empty?

agarabaghi
06-23-2011, 02:57 PM
yes. i only fill one side or the other (750 in each locker) and i have 560lbs of lead in the nose i just leave.

X-1Texas
06-23-2011, 03:18 PM
Ok, I'll try it. Thanks for the tip. I don't have the lead up front, but I've been filling both sides in the back and then just having my passengers move to the side we're surfing.

agarabaghi
06-23-2011, 03:33 PM
nah just fill up one side, i would rasther no weight in the nose sometimes, but i just dont like moving the lead as we mainly wakeboard.

mccobmd
06-23-2011, 06:56 PM
Ok, I'll try it. Thanks for the tip. I don't have the lead up front, but I've been filling both sides in the back and then just having my passengers move to the side we're surfing.

If you have the KGB full and one side with people on the side you're surfing it will help. It is trickier on the starboard side as there is limited seating.

kevkan
06-23-2011, 08:40 PM
We always surf starboard because, unfortunately, I am the fattest person in the boat, and I drive. I've got the stock setup. I fill the starboard (right) tank plus the KGB. I have one kid sit in the front, right side. One kid sits in right rear seat. Another kid, breaks the law, and sits on the right side of the sun pad. It takes a good surfer to not need the rope, and this setup is very unforgiving. If we have friends along, it surfs much better. Hence, I am looking at ballast options, as it is usually me and the 4 kids.

I'm fairly happy (I'm not the one wakeboarding) with stock for wakeboarding. My oldest son has 4 inverted tricks.

mccobmd
07-05-2011, 11:40 PM
Wanted to post an update on X1 surf wake. This is with me and my son, 1 other person in passenger seat. Port 750lb sac in the locker with a 150lb fat brick in there as well. KGB full, Vdrive fat sac 500lbs on rear seat in port corner, V drive sac in middle of bow 500lbs and fat brick 150lbs on port side in bow. Wave height about 3 ft, I am 6"4", my son 6"2"inches. Lengthened the sweet spot from about 2 ft to 4 ft. Can ride 2-3 ft back from platform with no problems. I know the market drives it but this hull that day pulled a slalom skier at 34mph, wakeboarded and surfed and was pretty great at all three.

peettee79
07-06-2011, 06:26 AM
Thats a pretty big board !

willyt
07-06-2011, 09:13 AM
gloves to surf....? your not holding onto anything there.

thats new, ha.

Tried the surf wake on my 05 X2... still can't dial it. I think I'm actually overloading it, agar's wake with just the 750 filled and 1 person looked great. I tried it with 8 people, 750 in the back filled and 1000 in the bow...

agarabaghi
07-06-2011, 11:18 AM
too much in the bow!

take it all out. if i could i would take out my lead but i dont feel like it!

agarabaghi
07-06-2011, 11:19 AM
9.5mph also... or 10mph on the starboard side

X-1Texas
07-06-2011, 12:35 PM
agarabaghi's tip to only fill up one side has worked great for me on my X-1. This weekend we had a good surf wake on either side. Thanks.

I surfed for a long run on the port side with just my girlfriend in the boat driving, KGB filled and 400lb. sac in rear locker filled.

On the 4th we had a some (3) people out with us and the wake was even better. Put one a 110lb. person in the bow on the surf side, helped to lengthen the sweet spot. I could recover from pretty far back.

I'll try to see what pics were taken and post some.

agarabaghi
07-06-2011, 12:50 PM
glad to see it worked!

lanep82
07-06-2011, 02:44 PM
agarabaghi's tip to only fill up one side has worked great for me on my X-1. This weekend we had a good surf wake on either side. Thanks.

I surfed for a long run on the port side with just my girlfriend in the boat driving, KGB filled and 400lb. sac in rear locker filled.

On the 4th we had a some (3) people out with us and the wake was even better. Put one a 110lb. person in the bow on the surf side, helped to lengthen the sweet spot. I could recover from pretty far back.

I'll try to see what pics were taken and post some.

Agreed. That 'fill up one side' tip has worked wonders on my X-15 as well. We surfed alot on Travis this past weekend. Was great!

agarabaghi
07-06-2011, 02:48 PM
You're all welcome, and I don't even really like surfing haha... well I do when im actually surfing, but I pretend to be strictly wakeboarding =P

mccobmd
07-06-2011, 10:08 PM
gloves to surf....? your not holding onto anything there.

thats new, ha.

Tried the surf wake on my 05 X2... still can't dial it. I think I'm actually overloading it, agar's wake with just the 750 filled and 1 person looked great. I tried it with 8 people, 750 in the back filled and 1000 in the bow...

I use a rope with no handle to get up. At work I wash my hands about 40 times a day so small nicks take a long time to heal. I wear gloves for almost everything. Besides, I'm to old to care about looking cool.

mccobmd
07-06-2011, 10:09 PM
Thats a pretty big board !

Inland surfer red woody. We mostly surf when it is rough or choppy from boat wakes. That board goes right over the wakes.

X-1Texas
07-07-2011, 11:06 PM
Here's a couple pics from tonight. The ones with me surfing on the port side are with 400 lb. in locker, KGB and my girlfriend driving. With this set up I'm able to cut up and down and recover from pretty far back. Starboard side are with me driving and my girlfriend taking pics from behind driver's seat.

We need just a little more weight to surf the starboard side without other people in the boat. She surfed for about 30 seconds without the rope tonight. We had a really nice starboard side wake with a 3 other people this last weekend and she was able to have a good run without the rope.

mccobmd
07-08-2011, 04:18 PM
I found putting 500lbs up front in the middle really helped with the length of the wave. I had 2/3 in back on surfing side and 1/3 up front which is a little different ratio. I also found the wake cleaner 1/2 mph faster at 10 to 10.5mph.

kevkan
07-08-2011, 06:12 PM
We've been surfing, starboard side, using just the standard ballast and passengers.

It is necessary to have at least one person in the bow, on the surf side.

10.5 mph on the perfect pass is what I have found to be best as well. Sometimes I think a slight turn towards the surfer helps, but I'm not certain.

The stock setup is not very forgiving and has a tiny sweetspot.

I'm tempted to try a 35 gallon trash can full of water behind the driver's seat to see how it works. In the end, I'm sure I will be upgrading ballast, but I don't want ballast all over the boat, and I don't want to have to reprop just to surf.

mccobmd
07-08-2011, 10:23 PM
If you have the hard tanks in there is room for a v drive sac (550lbs) beside it. You can get the second vdrive sac behind the driver with about 400lbs. That costs you 200 plus the tsunami is 300. tow fat bricks has you at 500 and it would be great. The vdrive sac up front is what really made the difference for us. FWIW if you don't have the KGB I would not plumb it in but fill it with the Tsunami. It is faster and will empty more completely.