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agarabaghi
06-07-2011, 05:38 PM
sigh...

http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/9241/imagelje.jpg

http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/2606/imagegip.jpg

agarabaghi
06-07-2011, 05:39 PM
washed the cover last night, and put it on for about 8 hours today while at work. Awesome!

rgardjr1
06-07-2011, 06:05 PM
Wow, that sucks! Was it the factory cover? How old?

SkiDog
06-07-2011, 06:38 PM
You obviously put the cover on while it was still wet.

Jorski
06-07-2011, 07:46 PM
get it into the sun as soon as possible.

mrhays9
06-07-2011, 08:10 PM
Our seats have similar discoloration (only smaller) on the sun deck and front seats. We haven't been able to figure out what caused it because it was like that when we bought the boat. Why would it matter if the cover was wet? Would the same thing happen if the cover was on and it rained? Sorry about your boat.

rhsprostar
06-07-2011, 08:26 PM
Is that the crappy black factory cover they give you that leaks? If so get a good one made out of Sunbrella that actually breathes and keep the factory one for when you sell it....

samgreazy
06-07-2011, 08:27 PM
wow.....what caused that? just the cover rubbing?!?!?

CottagerGreg
06-07-2011, 10:02 PM
something isn't right...what part of the story are we missing... i've had my boat covered outdoors for weeks on end with no issues....

kskonn
06-07-2011, 11:27 PM
Yea I have left mine covered for weeks at a time, through inches and inches of rain, never had a problem. Did the dye from the cover stain your seats or something?

Thrall
06-08-2011, 01:51 AM
OEM MC cover?
I'm presuming that's not mildew, but color transfer from the cover. I have the same problem with white vinyl/black MC cover albeit not that bad.
When I bought my 06, the PO had left it covered in the sun ALOT. The sudeck and top of teh front seat were quite brown. He had the boat detailed and it was quite a bit better but still no where near white.
I tryed damn near everything to get it clean and found that the only thing that got the vinyl near white, easily, was Malco plastic and leather cleaner. Direct sunlight and use probably helped almost as much too.
Now if I have to leave it in the sun, I cover the sun deck and top of the front seat with some white towels (pick up one every night you stay at a hotel, you'll have enough to cover the whole boat in no time!). If I was going to cover it outside all the time, I'd get a liner sewed into the parts of the cover that contact the vinyl.

agarabaghi
06-08-2011, 08:09 AM
No cover was dry before putting on. It is the factory oem cover, and im assuming it is as old as the boat (2006).

I knew of the issue, but was hoping that a wash would resolve it. It does get better with sunlight / use, but i will never put that cover back on the boat. It seems to actually eat at the vinyl? I dunno, it looks gross though. Looking into a sunbrella cover from skiboatcovers.com... Is that the cheapest website?

mrm2083
06-08-2011, 08:22 AM
Have you ever used bleach, soft scrub, or a magic eraser on your vinyl. I also have an 06 x2 and my boat never got any mildew up until about a year ago. The vinyl had started looking dirty and I began using soft scrub and a magic eraser every once in a while to get it clean. Anyways, my boat would look good after cleaning but the second I would put the cover on, in a day it would be that color (not as bad, but really bad still). I think the vinyl has some kind of coating and once you've eaten through it, it will be beyond repair. I ended up replacing all the vinyl btw and now it doesn't happen.

agarabaghi
06-08-2011, 09:15 AM
Magic eraser was used to remove some dirt on the vinyl by the previous owner / dealer.

I am in the process of replacing all the vinyl, but it sure is pricey.

mseller
06-08-2011, 09:19 AM
in the same boat as you agarabaghi...mine isn't as bad as yours is getting but looks like sh*& just as much...I leave my boat in the lift all summer covered..this past weekend I put towels under the cover where the trouble spots were happening...we shall see if that worked this weekend when I get back up to the lake

agarabaghi
06-08-2011, 09:28 AM
Do you think getting a new sunbrella cover will stop the issue? I would hate to spend $1000 on a cover and still have the same issue.

mseller
06-08-2011, 09:30 AM
If this towel covering does the trick, im thinking of getting some vinyl or some other material sewed into the cover where the problem spots are...

agarabaghi
06-08-2011, 09:42 AM
http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/5838/imagecdh.jpg

After about 3 hours in the sun today...

DooSPX
06-08-2011, 10:39 AM
HOLY CRAP!!!!!! I Would be a pee'ed off person!!! It looks like water getting in the cover and it holding the water on the deck.

agarabaghi
06-08-2011, 10:43 AM
no water. Cover was dry and the lake was not rough enough to splash the deck.

pmkkdx
06-08-2011, 12:18 PM
are you sure you didn't have someone lather up using the colored tanning lotion and spawl out on the deck? :D (just kidding!)

YIKES! that looks bad! I would be really tee'd off ... I've never had anything get anywhere near that. Keep us posted if you find some trick to get that resolved. New skins look to be in your future!

agarabaghi
06-08-2011, 12:26 PM
http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/5838/imagecdh.jpg

After about 3 hours in the sun today...

http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/1583/imageabu.jpg

2 more hours ... i think its getting better?

mseller
06-08-2011, 02:07 PM
looks a bit better...i'll post pics of mine when I see it on friday...fingers crossed

CottagerGreg
06-09-2011, 10:17 PM
boat looks abused/neglected...... I have 300+ hours and it looks like brand new still....

Just saying that's my opinion

mseller
06-10-2011, 07:31 AM
you must have the luxury of keeping your boat covered out of the sun...if you have the mc oem cover then this will happen to your boat too if you keep it covered in the sun

agarabaghi
06-10-2011, 08:46 AM
boat looks abused/neglected...... I have 300+ hours and it looks like brand new still....

Just saying that's my opinion

OMG 300 hours. Dude, i put 300 hours on in 2 months. Boat has 935 hours right now.

DemolitionMan
06-10-2011, 09:14 AM
Is this on the 06 only? My 08 has been covered in the sun and nothing like this has happened.

agarabaghi
06-10-2011, 09:31 AM
Yea this is on my 2006 mastercraft x1. I dont have the luxury of a lift / covered boat dock. I do have a slip in the water, and i find it stays cleaner with weekly cleaning opposed to using that POS cover. Looking into the sunbrella alternative, but i wanna make sure it wont happen again even with a new cover

atlfootr
06-10-2011, 09:41 AM
I am in the process of replacing all the vinyl, but it sure is pricey.I've only suggested this a MILLION TIMES, now a MILLION 'N ONE ...
YOU should of used this guy ....

agarabaghi
06-10-2011, 09:43 AM
you gonna pay for it?

I just bought the 2 seats that were ripped from the PO. The sundeck alone is almost a grand just for the skins.

atlfootr
06-10-2011, 09:44 AM
I dont have the luxury of a lift / covered boat dockIF you did have a covered boat dock w/ lift, I'd go with this ...http://www.touchlesscover.com/boat-covers.php
I'm not paying ****, why would I?

agarabaghi
06-10-2011, 09:55 AM
1-I wish I was little bit taller,
I wish I was a baller
I wish I had a girl who looked good
I would call her
I wish I had a rabbit in a hat with a bat
and a '64 Impala

... ill keep wishing...

mseller
06-11-2011, 06:48 AM
so the towels didn't work...
http://s1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa438/mseller/IMG-20110610-00447-1.jpg
http://s1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa438/mseller/Chapin-20110610-00444.jpg
http://s1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa438/mseller/Chapin-20110610-00446.jpg
http://s1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa438/mseller/Chapin-20110610-00445.jpg

UrbantuxTN
06-11-2011, 08:09 AM
That sucks, but doesn't that mean it isn't transfer from the cover?

Jerseydave
06-11-2011, 08:21 AM
I think the black covers are actually super-heating the vinyl and making the dye rise to the top??? I dont know, but maybe a white cover from skiboatcovers.com would help? Give them a call and ask their opinion.

Do a really good cleaning of them and protect it with 303.

Makes me glad I keep my boat inside....uncovered.

MattsCraft
06-11-2011, 09:30 AM
When is the last time the cover has been washed and re-treated with 303 Fabric Guard?

Jerseydave
06-11-2011, 11:38 AM
You guys are from the hot south (florida and sc) so I do think the intense heat has something to do with your problem. A new white cover would be a help IMHO

DJ 50
06-11-2011, 01:59 PM
IF you did have a covered boat dock w/ lift, I'd go with this ...http://www.touchlesscover.com/boat-covers.php
I'm not paying ****, why would I?


That cover looks nice and all but does it really protect you from anything besides the weather? I feel as if I only used that, my boat would be filled with spiders or birds making nests underneath it.

call
06-13-2011, 09:43 AM
I'm quite interested to hear what anyone learns on this. I also have a 2006 model year (seems to be a common ingredient), and it suffers from the same problem. I have no idea what to do.

agarabaghi
06-13-2011, 09:47 AM
so the towels didn't work...
http://s1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa438/mseller/IMG-20110610-00447-1.jpg
http://s1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa438/mseller/Chapin-20110610-00444.jpg
http://s1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa438/mseller/Chapin-20110610-00446.jpg
http://s1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa438/mseller/Chapin-20110610-00445.jpg

That sucks. Looks like we have the same issue, but mines seems to just be worse. Let me know if you find out a good method to clean it. Leaving it in the sun seems to be the best. Then i use a Krud Cutter and babes seat soap. I then condition it with babe seat saver, as it has UV protection.

mseller
06-13-2011, 10:12 AM
this was after a weekend in the sun...will take your advice on the cleaning
http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa438/mseller/Chapin-20110612-00457.jpghttp://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa438/mseller/Chapin-20110612-00458.jpghttp://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa438/mseller/Chapin-20110612-00459.jpg

agarabaghi
06-13-2011, 10:16 AM
Yea, you will be able to get most of it, but it def starts to build up. The discoloration on the grey will continue to get worse the more you cover the boat.

Some sugguest magic eraser, but other say it damages the vinyl.

onejdgreen
06-13-2011, 10:41 AM
Wow... If I am reading correctly all of these are 06 MCs? I have an 02 that is covered with the factory cover ever day when its not on the water and this has never happened to me... May be a stupid question, has anyone talked to MC about it? Maybe they know how to fix/what caused it?

call
06-14-2011, 12:28 PM
Mine clears up within a few hours in the sun, too. I don't get it. I talked to a vinyl specialist here and she says it's pretty common. She says you can dye it, but that's topical, so it won't likely last very long.

My 20 year old Bayliner never had this problem, but my four year old Mastercraft does. What's wrong with that picture?

agarabaghi
06-14-2011, 12:30 PM
what is this dye?

Any it only seems to happen when I cover it. Not when it sits out.

mseller
06-14-2011, 01:03 PM
i called mastercraft dealer yesterday and they said the marks were due to the cover "burning" the seats and there was nothing I could do about it...really?!?!

agarabaghi
06-14-2011, 01:56 PM
So possibly a NOT black cover would help this?

Ryan
06-14-2011, 10:45 PM
Cyanobacteria - does anyone recall the Pink Seats thread? Some of these pics look like you've got stuff growing in the vinyl.

call
06-15-2011, 10:30 AM
Mine only goes red when I cover it, too. It makes me wonder if it's better to leave it out in the sun than under the cover... which seems terribly counter intuitive.

The dye is something she uses for vinyl repairs. Most commonly it's used after applying an epoxy to minor tears to match the original vinyl color, but evidently it can also be used on broader areas.

mrm2083
06-15-2011, 10:37 AM
I read a thread on a fishing forum where the same thing was happening to the vinyl. The replies all said that the vinyl has a protective coating that was removed by using soft scrub and once that is gone you will always get that. The same thing happened to me. After about for years of owning my boat everytime i would cover it that would happen. I ended up replacing all the vinyl and now it no longer happens.

agarabaghi
06-15-2011, 11:13 AM
Yea I am in the process of getting new vinyls for all the damaged areas. I think i have 4 sections left.

nmcjr
06-15-2011, 05:26 PM
Like a few others have mentioned, black covers get smoking hot, and I have heard of parts of the interior getting burned, just never seen it in person to know exactly what it looks like.

bturner2
06-15-2011, 05:38 PM
I got tired of my boat filling up with water after every rain and bought a Sunbrella cover from skiboatcovers.com. It's been raining all spring here and the boat is now staying dry. I loved the way the OEM cover fit but they really need to change the material they use. My local dealer also told me they highly recommend to customers to purchase a custom cover rather than the MC cover for all the same reasons post on TT.

mallees
06-15-2011, 09:33 PM
[QUOTE=call;762297]Mine only goes red when I cover it, too. It makes me wonder if it's better to leave it out in the sun than under the cover... which seems terribly counter intuitive.

Don't leave it in the sun, you vinyl will get "sunburnt" and start cracking.
I had exactly the same issue with my 04 X2 and I believe the discolouration is caused by some sort of bacteria in the vinyl. Every time i covered the boat up, it went a pinky-brown, and then leave her in the sun for a few days and most of the colour would go away. I ended up leaving the cover off for an entire year, and then all of a sudden the vinyl went hard and started to crack.

I now have new vinyl.

I don't think there is anything you can do to fix this, I tried everything including anti-fungal chemicals, bleach and 4 or 5 different vinyl cleaners. Nothing worked.

Note: I had a cover made from Sunbrella material.

call
06-16-2011, 12:39 PM
Yea I am in the process of getting new vinyls for all the damaged areas. I think i have 4 sections left.

Are you doing the replacement yourself? Or did you hire it out? Are you going through MasterCraft for that "stock" look? Can you share some ideas on who you're using and how much it's costing?

agarabaghi
06-16-2011, 01:37 PM
I have ordered my vinyls from wakeskis.com luckly I can still get 06 skins until next summer. I order 2 skins and will order the remaining when i have some extra cash.

They range between $200 and $350 a skin depending on which seat it is. I need to replace 3 of my interior seats and the 3 sundeck vinyls.

call
06-16-2011, 02:04 PM
Thanks.

I'm not having any luck getting to wakeskis.com (or wakeski.com). It says the domain is for sale. Is there another domain name I should try?

agarabaghi
06-16-2011, 02:05 PM
ah sorry ... www.waterskis.com

call
06-16-2011, 05:33 PM
Thanks. I sent them a note.

Are you specifying what piece(s) you need and then replacing it yourself? Do they color match pretty well?

bobx1
06-16-2011, 06:01 PM
I am curious if any of you guys with problems are original owners and if so, what product(s) did you use to clean your seats with and if any type of protectant was used after the cleaning?

There have been a lot of threads on various boat forums that say "use/dont use Magic Eraser", "use/dont use bleach", "use/dont use LA Totally Awesome,", and on and on.

If any original owners experiencing these problems only used soap/water followed by 303 protectant to clean their seats then I would be more inclined to blame the cover and/or vinyl.

Philscbx
06-16-2011, 06:04 PM
Apply water proofing chemicals to cover or throw it away is what I'd do. Must be just a road dust cover.

The vinyl looks embedded with mold and cushions foam soaking wet.
Set cushions vertical on one corner to see if water runs out of them.

Start applying portable electric heater with cushions standing in small bathroom to burn the moisture out.

A bleach type mold killer will need to be applied.
I'd be surprised if covers don't need to be replaced.
That's a shame.

call
06-16-2011, 07:28 PM
I'm not the original owner, and the problem existed when I bought the boat, so I don't know what has been used to clean it. I suspect the discoloration contributed to the amazing deal I got, so I'm not complaining, but would consider replacing it for the right $.

blount59
06-16-2011, 08:44 PM
I am curious if any of you guys with problems are original owners and if so, what product(s) did you use to clean your seats with and if any type of protectant was used after the cleaning?

There have been a lot of threads on various boat forums that say "use/dont use Magic Eraser", "use/dont use bleach", "use/dont use LA Totally Awesome,", and on and on.

If any original owners experiencing these problems only used soap/water followed by 303 protectant to clean their seats then I would be more inclined to blame the cover and/or vinyl.

I am the original owner of an 08 x2. i have a similar problem, not as severe, all i have ever used to clean the seats is the mastercraft cleaners that i got witht he boat.

In my opinion is is something to do witht he heat. When my boat is covered in the barn, there is no problem with discoloration. once i put it in my driveway and the sun is on it all day, the discoloration shows up.

call
06-16-2011, 09:44 PM
Pulled the cover off. It looks worse than ever.

http://www.mastercraft.com/teamtalk/attachment.php?attachmentid=67641&stc=1&d=1308274867

Thrall
06-16-2011, 11:26 PM
I am curious if any of you guys with problems are original owners and if so, what product(s) did you use to clean your seats with and if any type of protectant was used after the cleaning?

There have been a lot of threads on various boat forums that say "use/dont use Magic Eraser", "use/dont use bleach", "use/dont use LA Totally Awesome,", and on and on.

If any original owners experiencing these problems only used soap/water followed by 303 protectant to clean their seats then I would be more inclined to blame the cover and/or vinyl.

I am not the orig owner of mine, but my 06 has the same problem with the OE MC black cover.
I used magic eraser once, only on part of the vinyl after I bought it with brown vinyl from the PO, yet all the areas turn brown the same way, so don't think it was any damage from the magic eraser.
Doubt it is moisture/bacteria caused because my boat sat in one of the hottest dryest climates (Vegas) for the first 4 years of it's life and the PO was not very meticulous (would guess he didn't clean the boat at all until he had it detailed before I bought it) and rarely used the boat (12 hrs /yr avg). Note, the boat did spend a couple Vegas summers parked outside, covered. Long enough to disintegrate the orig MC black cover and show signs of wear on the 2nd cover the PO bought. He was too lazy to fold the tower down to park it in the garage between uses even though he only used it a few times a season!
It's heat and the black MC cover I'm pretty sure. After the first short season, along with some help from Malco cleaner, the vinyl cleaned up nicely, although not "perfectly" white, it was very close. After a winter in the garage with the shop heater mounted on the wall about 4' above the transom, the back sunpad vinyl was a little brown again, but the top of the front seat where the cover touches the vinyl was still white.
Last year on a weekend camping trip, I covered the boat about midday each day after getting off the lake (terrible wind/dust) and brief thundershowers. Those 3 half days it was covered out in the hot sunlight turned the vinyl brown again.
Some day trips without any covering and another shot of Malco cleaned it up to it's almost white state.

It's gotta be the covers. My boat only has a bit over 100hrs on it and is a garage queen 350+ days a year (sad I know).
If I was ever to plan on leaving it in the sun for any length of time covered, I'd cover teh areas where the vinyl touches the cover with white towels or get a white or tan cover for sure.

vandit0022
06-17-2011, 01:53 AM
My 04 boat sat outside in Seattle area for 4 or 5 years on two dealer lots before I bought it with an OEM cover on it. It never has this problem, has never changed colors or stained where the cover touches or otherwise. We clearly do not have the heat of vegas or the southwest. Just thought I'd throw that out there.

UrbantuxTN
06-17-2011, 07:22 AM
It's gotta be the covers. My boat only has a bit over 100hrs on it and is a garage queen 350+ days a year (sad I know).
If I was ever to plan on leaving it in the sun for any length of time covered, I'd cover teh areas where the vinyl touches the cover with white towels or get a white or tan cover for sure.

The "towel" method of prevention has been tried. See Post #33 in this thread. It didn't change anything, leading most to believe it is a heat issue, not a transfer issue from the cover. Have you actually seen the towels turn color?

agarabaghi
06-17-2011, 08:32 AM
I am about to pull the trigger on a "tan" sunbrella cover with 2 vents, and the Gore thread from skiboatcovers.com as well as 3 new sundeck pads.

Where do you purchase the malco cleaner?

mseller
06-17-2011, 08:36 AM
The "towel" method of prevention has been tried. See Post #33 in this thread. It didn't change anything, leading most to believe it is a heat issue, not a transfer issue from the cover. Have you actually seen the towels turn color?

The towel I used didn't change color

Tri4X2
07-17-2013, 02:34 PM
Just had this happen to me this past weekend.... Did anything every come of this? Anyone know how to combat this?

BrooksfamX2
07-17-2013, 03:42 PM
Mine does it also where ever the OEM cover touches the vinyl on my 2007 X2, buddy's 2007 X2 does not do it. Nothing but sunlight makes it go away. I have tried covering the upholstery with towels and plastic under the cover with no luck. The hotter the sun (with cover on), the worse it gets. I have stored the boat in the garage with the cover on and it does not do it. It also doesn't do it on cool days. I think it (what ever "it" is??) is in the vinyl now.......I think once it happens, its a done deal and will never go away.

Now thinking I'll need new skins on affected areas and a new cover to stop this. I have stopped using the cover except when absolutely necessary (long hauls).

Tri4X2
07-17-2013, 03:46 PM
living here in Texas.. the heat is bad... the back of the boat is in the sun for a few hours during the day when it is on the lift... the boat is a 2010... wouldn't think this would happen this early

mcLove
07-17-2013, 04:10 PM
That really sucks!! Looks like someone is getting new apholstry.

gts-20
07-17-2013, 04:33 PM
The vinyl in our '08 214 was perfect until the boat sat covered outside @ TSR for 2 weeks in the Texas summer sun last year. After 2 sunny weekends on the water, most of it went away, but only temporarily. Now, if I leave it covered in the sun for any more than 45min-1hr, it comes back. We bought our 2008 boat new in 2010. It sat on the dealer lot outside with the MC cover on it for almost 2 years and the vinyl was still perfect. Something triggers this out of the blue.

Tri4X2
07-17-2013, 06:47 PM
The vinyl in our '08 214 was perfect until the boat sat covered outside @ TSR for 2 weeks in the Texas summer sun last year. After 2 sunny weekends on the water, most of it went away, but only temporarily. Now, if I leave it covered in the sun for any more than 45min-1hr, it comes back. We bought our 2008 boat new in 2010. It sat on the dealer lot outside with the MC cover on it for almost 2 years and the vinyl was still perfect. Something triggers this out of the blue.

I wonder if this is a warranty issue or can be replaced via warranty

bigmac
07-17-2013, 06:55 PM
I wonder if this is a warranty issue or can be replaced via warranty

I think one can judge that based on their reaction to the cracking-vinyl issues in their 2001-2006 boats. Not only is the answer "no, we won't replace it on warranty", but also "we aren't even going to stock replacement skins for you to purchase".

Tri4X2
07-17-2013, 06:59 PM
I take it they didn't warranty it? I was just thinking that if the boat is less than 5 years old then they should warranty it.

BrooksfamX2
07-17-2013, 07:10 PM
............. After 2 sunny days (weekends) on the water, most of it goes (went) away, but only temporarily. Now, if I leave it covered in the sun for any more than 30min (45min-1hr), it comes back. ................ Something triggers this out of the blue.

^X2 :(

kalamalka
07-18-2013, 01:00 AM
Im not sure what to do now. I also have an 06 and its always left on the lift with a black cover. I was under the assumption that we covered our boats to keep uv rays off of the vinyl because they dry and crack? I see eveybody on our lake with black covers. Its Canada, but most days arein the upper 90's. Is this a catch 22 thing?