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agarabaghi
06-03-2011, 10:43 AM
Well i just ordered 520lbs to put in the nose of the X1, in the quest to remove all visible weight.

My question is, how on earth are they gonna ship 520lbs of steel?

flipper
06-03-2011, 10:50 AM
In a truck

flipper
06-03-2011, 10:50 AM
That's my first guess anyway. :D

DemolitionMan
06-03-2011, 10:51 AM
Stage Coach:)

DemolitionMan
06-03-2011, 10:56 AM
What ever happened to lead heads?

trickskier
06-03-2011, 10:57 AM
Forget how they're going to ship it - The question is, how are you going to unload it???

TxsRiverRat
06-03-2011, 11:00 AM
can't they just beam it to you?

agarabaghi
06-03-2011, 11:01 AM
well they are 40lbs bags... figured 7 trips with 2 bags each trip... from the house to the lake haha

agarabaghi
06-03-2011, 11:01 AM
maybe they will ship it in 5 different boxes

DemolitionMan
06-03-2011, 11:03 AM
I may have to look into those.
http://www.pop-products.com/products/

duckguy
06-03-2011, 11:03 AM
You see, when a man loves his wake boat sometimes things occur and then the stork will bring them

agarabaghi
06-03-2011, 11:04 AM
Im just sick of the fat sacs on the seats in the front. My boat is sitting in the water with the bags full about 80% of the time...

flipper
06-03-2011, 11:13 AM
Almost $1 per pound? They can keep those.

agarabaghi
06-03-2011, 11:16 AM
Cheap in my book for the extra space / lack of having to deal with fat sacs EVER again. Biggest pet peeve is pulling the sacs and water getting everywhere!!!

Jorski
06-03-2011, 11:18 AM
don't worry about the shipping...they're inflatable!:)

ski_king
06-03-2011, 11:19 AM
I see they have shipping included into the cost, however take note of the fact they charge an extra $60 for residential delivery. I bet almost half the cost of the product is to cover the shipping.

Between the lawsuit thread and the warning on their website, I would think twice before using this product.
http://www.pop-products.com/disclaimer/disclaimer.gif

bcboy
06-03-2011, 11:33 AM
Great idea...looks easy to move from side to side for surfing as well...put them in some rubbermaid totes and they will disappear.
Looks like you will never be caught without a anchor as well.

ttu
06-03-2011, 11:53 AM
i have used 400 lbs of their product for years and really like how i can move them around to make the wake cleaner.

Huskie05
06-03-2011, 12:18 PM
I see they have shipping included into the cost, however take note of the fact they charge an extra $60 for residential delivery. I bet almost half the cost of the product is to cover the shipping.

Between the lawsuit thread and the warning on their website, I would think twice before using this product.
http://www.pop-products.com/disclaimer/disclaimer.gif

Got it! Tie the weight to the cleats, you get in trouble, cut the line. I will look like hell, but saftey first! Kind of like a hot air ballon.

agarabaghi
06-03-2011, 12:18 PM
yea, im not really worried about the lead and sinking the boat =P... We try to use caution, and usually we are the only boat out there anyways.

TxsRiverRat
06-03-2011, 12:29 PM
Got it! Tie the weight to the cleats, you get in trouble, cut the line. I will look like hell, but saftey first! Kind of like a hot air ballon.

ROTFLMFAO - gimme some warning next time - I almost spewed my coffee on the screen!

ttu
06-03-2011, 12:49 PM
forgot to answer your question. they come in on a commercial semi which is why it is cheaper to have them delivered to a place of business than resident. they are on a pallet. 40 lbs bags each with handles.

agarabaghi
06-03-2011, 01:24 PM
i didn't see anything about an additional charge for shipping. I paid via paypal, but have not heard anything back yet.

ttu
06-03-2011, 01:25 PM
price includes shipping. but not if you have them shipped to a residence. at least that was their policy when i bought them in 07.

agarabaghi
06-03-2011, 01:35 PM
hmm... was that something at check out? I mean i only got the charge for the price shown on their website and my paypal address is residential

paus21
06-03-2011, 01:41 PM
Those things are awesome. I have 10 of them. 6 under the seats in the nose all of the time and the other 4 to move around. Usually put them all the way up front unless we need to shift weight.

I have that 400lbs and then throw a 400lb sac up front across the seats. Is 520lb in the nose going to be enough?

agarabaghi
06-03-2011, 01:44 PM
520 + 370 ski locker bag and 1500 in the rear = 2390

The typical weight setup for the X1 is 60 rear 40 front...

2390lbs * .6 = 1434lbs

So im pretty much running a 60/40 setup...

TonyB
06-03-2011, 04:11 PM
pony express

TxsRiverRat
06-03-2011, 04:24 PM
PETA would pitch a fit

j.mccreight@hotmail.com
06-03-2011, 04:25 PM
I smell a new lawsuit, wonder if the lead company could be held liable...

TxsRiverRat
06-03-2011, 04:26 PM
I smell a new lawsuit, wonder if the lead company could be held liable...

if he ties em to the cleats it falls back on the boat maker and the knife maker... or the rope maker...

j.mccreight@hotmail.com
06-03-2011, 04:28 PM
Oh okay I gotcha... so the owner is free and clear

CantRepeat
06-03-2011, 04:46 PM
Im just sick of the fat sacs on the seats in the front. My boat is sitting in the water with the bags full about 80% of the time...

You'll be even sicker if the boat takes on some water and the lead helps it sink.

j.mccreight@hotmail.com
06-03-2011, 05:03 PM
^ someone posted a video a while back, I cant find it but it demonstrated a boat taking on water with water ballast versus lead ballast. The water ballast boat did not completely sink versus the lead ballast boat completely sank to davey jones's locker...

Jeff d
06-03-2011, 05:22 PM
Yeah you have to be careful with the amount of negatively buoyant stuff you put on your boat and how it's distributed (Many put it all in the bow). Most boats are slightly positively buoyant even if completely full of water due to voids being filled with air/foam. People, ice chests, gasoline, thousands of pounds of water ballast, etc are neutrally or slightly positively buoyant and will not "sink" your boat on their own although in large quantities they will make it more likely to take on water to begin with.

The engine, transmission, batteries, metal ballast, sand ballast, etc. will sink your boat (If swamped) if you put enough weight to offset the positive buoyancy of the hull. In general 500 lbs evenly distributed around the boat probably will just make it sit a little lower if swamped. When you start adding more weight than that then you're probably pushing the limits. A brain fart like leaving the plug out could turn a learning experience and a few hundred/thousand in damage into a total loss of the boat.

The exact amount of weight that will sink it would require a bit of experimentation to figure out and I'm not volunteering my boat for that. I'd be willing to throw 200 lbs or so in non-neutrally buoyant weight in there and that's about it. Right now I only have neutrally buoyant ballast in my boat. I'd be even more hesitant to do this on a boat that's left unattended in the water which sounds like the case for the OP.

The other factor is wear and tear on your trailer/tow vehicle. 500 lbs of lead/steel in the bow of the boat will result in close to a 300+ lb increase in tongue weight. Even if you're pulling with a 1 ton that's significant.

CantRepeat
06-03-2011, 05:32 PM
The other factor is wear and tear on your trailer/tow vehicle. 500 lbs of lead/steel in the bow of the boat will result in close to a 300+ lb increase in tongue weight. Even if you're pulling with a 1 ton that's significant.

Not to mention the fit the insurance company might throw if they find out after it sinks.

TxsRiverRat
06-03-2011, 05:37 PM
even though i slalom, i've found that the more equipment and people the boat has, the worse it skis and handles. i keep all equipment @ the dock and use one observer if that... nothing worse than skiing an MC205 into the wind - that spray is right at nut level - ouch!

Huskie05
06-03-2011, 06:11 PM
even though i slalom, i've found that the more equipment and people the boat has, the worse it skis and handles. i keep all equipment @ the dock and use one observer if that... nothing worse than skiing an MC205 into the wind - that spray is right at nut level - ouch!

my nuts are so low they skip in the water, but I am older now, not well hung, just old.

TxsRiverRat
06-03-2011, 06:34 PM
my nuts are so low they skip in the water, but I am older now, not well hung, just old.

LOL! Greatness!

agarabaghi
06-03-2011, 10:12 PM
haters. ;)

My boat stays unattended for approximatly 8 hours each night, until right about 7am when i leave for work. If the boat is to be unattended for a couple days / weeks the lead gets removed the water emptied and it goes into the dry storage unit i rent.

I consider myself a fairly responsible boat driver, and the only other person who drives my boats has been around wakeboard boats longer than most people can imagine. With close to 800lbs of water in the nose, I have never taken water on.

agarabaghi
06-14-2011, 01:03 PM
steel just showed up...

Smoothie
06-14-2011, 01:38 PM
I have same boat. 400lbs of lead in the nose. your fine but I think the wake is better the more weight I put up front. You might take a roller or two but as long as your on top of it you will be fine.

DemolitionMan
06-14-2011, 01:48 PM
I use to see people put these in there boats
http://www.maycoindustries.com/lead_brick_ballast.htm

CantRepeat
06-14-2011, 02:19 PM
haters. ;)

My boat stays unattended for approximatly 8 hours each night, until right about 7am when i leave for work. If the boat is to be unattended for a couple days / weeks the lead gets removed the water emptied and it goes into the dry storage unit i rent.

I consider myself a fairly responsible boat driver, and the only other person who drives my boats has been around wakeboard boats longer than most people can imagine. With close to 800lbs of water in the nose, I have never taken water on.

Haters? No, just some friendly folks on TT that care about other boaters/MC owners and offering up their friendly opinions.

But hey man, it's your ride.

agarabaghi
06-14-2011, 02:51 PM
Yes the way i see it, i run 2 x 350lbs sacs full in the nose and the 370 kgb and then 2x 750 in the rear.

Im not sure how big the nose sacs are filling up as they are restricted by the walkway etc...

with 520 in the nose, + 370 in the ski locker = 890
and 1500 in the back

total = 2390

Which is almost a perfect 60/40 balance

agarabaghi
06-14-2011, 03:52 PM
http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/8639/imagewxu.jpg

agarabaghi
06-14-2011, 07:33 PM
and here they are installed in the boat. Did not get to ride today, but the wake looked good at 22mph and it got on plane about the same as with the 2 water sacs in front. Cant wait to try it.

http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/9913/imageqmc.jpg

http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/3431/imagebch.jpg

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/480/imageofb.jpg

MI_Corey
03-01-2014, 12:03 PM
What are the dimensions on one of these bags?

agarabaghi
07-22-2014, 05:21 PM
ill measure when i get home

SJ.
07-22-2014, 06:38 PM
Do you have a wire guy you recommend?

LeeG23
07-22-2014, 07:46 PM
I ordered from lead wake. Awesome product. Come in 50 lbs bags mailed 2 day to ur door using USPS. Well made very happy

jwmiller
07-23-2014, 12:22 PM
Do you have a wire guy you recommend?

Chuckle:D

CantRepeat
07-23-2014, 12:29 PM
Do you have a wire guy you recommend?

Hey, if you are going to add 500+ pounds of lead why would wires matter to you? :D