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YooperScott
05-31-2011, 12:15 PM
It's hard!!!

I actually tried one 15-20 years ago but it was so long ago what's it matter. We were kids living at the lake in the summer skiing at least twice a day all summer long and riding and doing all sorts of stupid stuff with skis, tubes, kneeboards, boogie boards, pieces of plywood, barefoot, you name it. At a different lake one time there was a course and we went through it some. That was the extent. I did know it was harder than it looks but didn't remember much else.

So fast forward to now. I have been open water slalom skiing for probably 25 years or so, since I was around 10. I consider myself pretty good, not getting any better without challenge, never really pushing myself hard enough to fall (might go 2 years without falling), etc.... So I ordered the plans from EZ Slalom a year or two ago and pondered building a course. Tried the $300 offers for a couple courses on Craigslist unsuccessfully so I finally decided this was the year. I just was (and still am somewhat) unsure about how much i'd have at least one other willing person to go through the bother of putting it out and taking it in and so on. Anyways I bit the bullet and bought/ordered all the supplies and spent probably a little over 10 hours building it a couple weeks ago. Went fine and though I haven't tallied the receipts I would guess all said and done I was around $500 for everything including buoys, anchors, buoy bags, anchor rope, tax, shipping everything. I would definitely do it again and thought it was pretty straighforward and easy enough to do. I even learned some new things like how to make eye splices with rope. I wanted to be able to set it up along our shore on the lake as the lot on one side is vacant, next door the other way would have no problem with it, then about 4 places in a row that seem to NEVER be there. I was concerned about enough length along our shore on the end of the lake so I built the mainline with a properly placed and dimensioned 'disconnect' section in order to make the course 4 or 6 turns and still have everything be correct with distances in either case, entry and exit gates and all that. Once I get good enough to need more turns we can orient the course differently and do all 6 turns. I also figured two less turns helps the install and removal time since this will never stay in long. So, we (just 2 of us) set it up this Sunday and even though I forgot to time it going out, I did time the removal at 19 minutes from start of pulling up the first anchor until the second anchor was in the boat so I didn't think it was bad at all. We fumbled around some putting it out and it will definitely now be easier in the future having a better idea the second time. I doubt the takedown will get any faster with 2 people because we seemed pretty efficient as it was. An extra person would definitely help speed it up putting it out or taking it in.

Now for skiing. My first time on the ski for the year was a run around the lake Saturday so i'm definitely not exactly in prime form or skiing shape even though I run 4-5 days a week so I have no leg strength problems but arms and upper body are sore and weak. I started at 28 mph (which is actually something like 28.6 on the perfect pass). I was able to get 1, 2, turn inside of 3 by a couple of feet and then get 4. I tried several times with the same result at 26 (I was suprised I could ski that slow, didn't think I could). Probably made 10 attempts and was tired out and wiped out good crossing the wake and ended it there for the day. In hindsight I think any gain I got at 26 was probably offset by the wake not seeming nearly as friendly so I am thinking next time i'll go no slower than 28 and guessing that is why i've seen people recommend down to 28 and not 26. Being the first time I can certainly say my timing is nowhere close to right, i'm sure my form was extra bad, etc but I wish I didn't have to wait a while to try it again. Hopefully I can get myself to consistantly skiing the 4 turns with a hard pull towards where 5 would be and then i'll start speeding up. If (when) I can get through that drill up at 34 mph then i'll think about shortening the rope and/or getting the other 2 turns in. For now though I think I have my work cut out for me. It is definitely fun and I can see that this is going to make me get better assuming I am able to do it enough.

Any good reading on learning the course to recommend or any good instructional videos I could get to help me? I weight 190-195 and have a 67" Conelly F1X which I think is plenty of ski for me for a while.

I'll attach a picture of my 4 turn course since everyone loves pictures.

Scott
'95 LT1 Prostar 190 - PP Stargazer

mig
05-31-2011, 12:22 PM
You are on a slippery slope! Have fun, try not to forget your family, work, and other trivial obligations.

jamisonsbrodie
05-31-2011, 12:34 PM
congrats on the new course. You will love having it, and you will become addicted to it. My advice for you at this point is to put in the full course and practice shadowing all six bouys (turning just inside them) to get your timing right. Don't worry about getting around the bouys at this point. Rhythm is key at this point and slowing down beyond 28 is too hard at your weight. Even 28 is hard because you can't get any speed out of the ski, it just sink. Another option would be to leave the last section of pipe collapsed, essentially narrowing the course ~7-8 feet. Either way, just focus on carving back and forth working on good body position and rhythm. Good luck and have fun. Free skiing will become more and more boring for you from this point on!!

oumiller28
05-31-2011, 12:45 PM
Progression! I love it. As much as I love wakeboarding, nothing beats stomping a new trick. I remember the first of all of them (... all 4 but still). I remember the fear that told me not to (and my wife), my tired legs and arms. Wondering how many more slams till I get it... then magic!
The course looks great Scott. I am sure you will find your magic around one of those buoys.

H20skeefreek
05-31-2011, 01:28 PM
Oh No! The bug bit you. You are done now. Everything else you cared about means nothing....lol.

André
05-31-2011, 10:45 PM
Well,you're officially hook!Great looking course!
I can only suggest to sink the turn bouys a bit,they sit a little high...
You can add water in them easily.

Kyle
06-01-2011, 10:06 AM
Some advise. I went back the other day and looked it took me 3 years to go from where you are to the nationals.

I coached a friend of mine from where you are to -22 @ 36mph in one summer. He now works at Bennets ski school and runs into deep 39.5.


1: install the full course. You will have to start from square one all over again from going 4 to 6 ball. You will get used to 4 bouys and create a stamina for 4 instead of six.


2: skip your enterance gates for now. Cheat them by 5 feet or so. Work them in last.


3: make bouy 1 and shaddow all but 6. Then run again making 1 and shadowing all but 5@6. Again making 1,4,5,6. And so on until running the course.

Setting up a green bouy course 8' narrower inside of your course is fine but a waste of money to me. Once you get 6 bouys here quick then the mini course is not needed.

Once all 6 bouys are made and gates included start increasing the speed.


If you are wanting big time results you will give up alot of things to get there. Skiing once a week will not get you there. My buddy skied 3 + times a week and I skied every day for 3 months, skipped a weekend and a day and back at the grind. I was 22 and gave up many girl friends as my skiing was first.


Good luck

TxsRiverRat
06-01-2011, 10:13 AM
Some advise. I went back the other day and looked it took me 3 years to go from where you are to the nationals

I TOLD YA!

Kyle
06-01-2011, 10:22 AM
TRR

I thought it took me 6 yrs. Went to nationals in 03 found my competitor tshirt yesterday. I joined Msc in 2000 or 01 can't remember.

TxsRiverRat
06-01-2011, 11:00 AM
TRR

I thought it took me 6 yrs. Went to nationals in 03 found my competitor tshirt yesterday. I joined Msc in 2000 or 01 can't remember.

You joined in 01, i joined in 02. I thought you were into 35 off @ 36 mph after like 1 or 2 seasons...

BROUSSARD
06-01-2011, 01:44 PM
[QUOTE=Kyle;758128]Some advise. I went back the other day and looked it took me 3 years to go from where you are to the nationals.

I coached a friend of mine from where you are to -22 @ 36mph in one summer. He now works at Bennets ski school and runs into deep 39.5.


Kurt?

TxsRiverRat
06-01-2011, 02:07 PM
[QUOTE=Kyle;758128]Some advise. I went back the other day and looked it took me 3 years to go from where you are to the nationals.

I coached a friend of mine from where you are to -22 @ 36mph in one summer. He now works at Bennets ski school and runs into deep 39.5.


Kurt?

Yes, Kurt...

pmkkdx
06-01-2011, 05:42 PM
funny! this is bringing back some old memories indeed!!! I thought I was one bad a$$ skier on open water when a friend talked me into going to a private lake that had a course. I was skiing long line or 15 off and started off at 30 mph ... made gate & #1 and pulled with all my might to make #2 but was going about 200 mph (or so it seemed) and not even sure I made it back to the wake before the boat bouy in line with #3. I tried several times that afternoon, but never could barely make #3 and no where come close to #4... I was hooked, joined the club at the private lake, skiied 3 days a week from 5:00 to dark the entire summer, mainly listening to those in the boat on improving my form (hips forward, knees bent with weight forward, shoulders squared, pull to the point of the hip, ski edge to edge (stop tail turning), ski early to the ball and wide, etc.) ... by the end of the first summer, I was making my full runs in tournaments at 22 off 36 mph, can't remember what the next drop length was??? (27 off maybe?), but was getting 3 to 3.5 at that next length ... it is ALL about technique on the ski and body position IMO.

it's best to have someone with very good form in the boat watching you make your attempt on one pass ... drop and let them explain what you are doing wrong ... pull back up and try again. repeat, repeat, repeat.

ntidsl
06-02-2011, 08:38 AM
And now you know what you have to do on open water too. Keep the course in your mind all the time. I only get on a course every year or every other year now and can always get into 32 off. Open water is actually great practice as long as you know and understand the course. In the course isn't the only time you need to work on form.

I got on the course almost every day in spring of 06 and wasnt progressing as I had hoped. I then spent the summer on open water and back to the course in the later summer/fall and that's when I made some progress. I had absolutley no coaching at all, i just watched videos and stopped trying so hard. It's form and timing and enjoying the course, not fighting it. Its almost like you'll do better if you are trying to look good and relaxed rather than stiff faced and trying to muscle your way thru.

Enjoy!

Kyle
06-02-2011, 12:44 PM
[QUOTE=Kyle;758128]Some advise. I went back the other day and looked it took me 3 years to go from where you are to the nationals.

I coached a friend of mine from where you are to -22 @ 36mph in one summer. He now works at Bennets ski school and runs into deep 39.5.


Kurt?

Yeah Kurt and I skied together back in the day. He called me the other day and asked if I needed a lesson laughing.

YooperScott
06-02-2011, 01:04 PM
And now you know what you have to do on open water too. Keep the course in your mind all the time. I only get on a course every year or every other year now and can always get into 32 off. Open water is actually great practice as long as you know and understand the course. In the course isn't the only time you need to work on form.

I got on the course almost every day in spring of 06 and wasnt progressing as I had hoped. I then spent the summer on open water and back to the course in the later summer/fall and that's when I made some progress. I had absolutley no coaching at all, i just watched videos and stopped trying so hard. It's form and timing and enjoying the course, not fighting it. Its almost like you'll do better if you are trying to look good and relaxed rather than stiff faced and trying to muscle your way thru.

Enjoy!

Great to hear because I just don't know how often the course will get setup and used. I will be at the lake for 2 weeks around the 4th but unless I have at least one other skier around not sure how many times i'll put the course out just for me to ski it. I will ski in the morning and afternoon everyday though for sure and will be working on things. Even though my left rib/lung area/something in there is still causing me pain from my over the front wipeout last Sunday, I will be skiing at a friends lake place this weekend if we get to go. He has a 195 but at his parents private lake place where we are going there is a 16' and 75hp limit but they have a pretty small 16' boat rated for a 70hp motor that has a 115hp etec on it (70hp stickers of course). I figure since I have been able to run 4 miles 3 times already since the wipeout even though I still have some discomfort I should be good to go. :)

rhsprostar
06-02-2011, 11:48 PM
Kyle
I really like the idea of this for new people new to the course. I have a buddy struggling with making a full pass. I am going to suggest this to him for sure. Sounds like a great way to build timing and rythm.

"3: make bouy 1 and shaddow all but 6. Then run again making 1 and shadowing all but 5@6. Again making 1,4,5,6. And so on until running the course. "