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gabehonda
05-12-2011, 07:03 PM
Looking at buying ballast set up from wakemakers.com ...... for the cost factor ( my cost factory...lol ) , they are recomending going with the aerator based system . Can anyone tell me if they use this system and how it works . I have a 2000 Xstar and am putting bags in the rear lockers.... boat has stock center ballast. thanks

73blue
05-12-2011, 08:15 PM
Not in my boat, but I know a couple people with Supras that use factory installed aerator style pumps. One has had few problems, one has never worked right. The orientation and location of the pump is key as it is not self-priming (how well they function sometimes changes based on the boat orientation ie bow up during takeoff or bow down if front is loaded). You will also need separate pumps to fill and drain as they are not reversible. My .02? If you are going to the trouble of plumbing in a ballast system, spend the extra and be happy with it

medicmoose
05-12-2011, 08:32 PM
I am just now installing 2 new pumps for the rear locker bags...one per side. I went with the Jabsco set-up and tying into the existing venting. Should work great.

CantRepeat
05-12-2011, 08:46 PM
I am just now installing 2 new pumps for the rear locker bags...one per side. I went with the Jabsco set-up and tying into the existing venting. Should work great.

How are you wiring the 2 extra pumps? Did you add through hulls?

I added a pump for my surf sack and wired up the relays and switch like the factory system.

I intend on doing a write up about the ballast wiring.

http://mikesell.net/images/boat/mcrelays.jpg

willgeorge
05-13-2011, 12:49 AM
I use tsunami aerator pumps plumbed in for my ballast setup in my 205. I haven't had any problems and everything is auto. the fly high ballast bags from wakemakers work great because of the seperate fill and drain ports. as long as the outlets on the aerator pumps are pointed up you wont have any issues with air lock. my pumps are below the floor so the the fill pump is below the water line, and the drain pump is below the bag. it really depends on how you plumb it but a good, service free system is totally possible. I was on a budget so thats the route I went, system works great no complaints.

agarabaghi
05-13-2011, 06:45 AM
If you are on a budget and want to avoid the aerator pumps, take a look at the johnson ballast pumps. They are identical to the Jabsco and even use the same green impeller.

http://www.wakemakers.com/johnson-ultra-ballast-pump.html

$159 each, not bad.

medicmoose
05-13-2011, 06:54 AM
How are you wiring the 2 extra pumps? Did you add through hulls?

I added a pump for my surf sack and wired up the relays and switch like the factory system.

I intend on doing a write up about the ballast wiring.

The pumps are wired direct to the switches that come with the pumps with the addition of a 20 amp breaker. I did not use a timer module. I had originally intended to run with 2 new thru-hulls but elected not to drill into the boat and run a "y" so that the fatsac is using the same thru-hull as the factory tank. The only drawback to this is that I can not fill the tank and the bag on the same side at the same time. Other than that I think it should work well. If there are any problems, at that time I will drill the boat for the new thru-hulls.

Jeff d
05-13-2011, 09:41 AM
I'm installing an aerator based ballast system in my 230 VRS as we speak.

Here's some pros and cons of each type of pump.

Aerator Pros:
-Cheap- $25-50 each
-Readily available- 800 GPH Tsunamis can be found at Wal-Mart and Academy if you have a failure and want to be back on the water fast
-Fast- When plumbed properly to prevent airlock with minimal hose restrictions they will be faster than impeller systems.
-Can run dry without damage
-Low current draw (<3 amps)

Aerator Cons:
-Mounting requirements- You've got to mount the intake pumps below the water line if you want them to work
-Not reversible- You need twice as many pumps- 1 for every fill operation and 1 for every drain
-Low Pressure- They don't generate much pressure at all just high volume so they're particularly sensitive to hose restrictions.
-Need check valves or vented loops to prevent passive emptying and filling of bags

Impeller Pros:
-Really heavy duty- They are really well built with bronze and steel. Other than the impeller they are pretty bulletproof.
-Can generate a lot of pressure to overcome restrictions
-Can pump air- flexible mounting options
-Prevent passive filling/emptying on their own with no additional valves or loops

Impeller Cons:
-Expensive- Even factoring in the large number of aerator pumps needed to do the same job you're still going to pay close to double for impeller pumps.
-High maintenance- Some people change impellers annually at $30 each. Others remove them for winterization and reinstall for the season. Others don't do either but risk them getting stuck when they sit unused for months.
-High current draw

That's all I can think of off of the top of my head. Neither option is across the board superior to the other. I went with the aerators mainly because impeller pumps would have turned a $1,200 project into a $1,400-1,500 project.


Also, I wouldn't use a Supra/Moomba factory system as a benchmark for aerator systems because that was a poorly executed system. They used common residential sprinkler valves to distribute the water flow from a single aerator pump to many bags. Those types of valves don't operate well at the pressure levels generated by an aerator pump so they really restricted the flow. Lots of Supra/Moomba owners with that style of ballast system have eliminated the sprinkler valves and gone to a multi aerator pump system and have been very satisfied with the performance.

Jeff d
05-13-2011, 09:48 AM
If you are on a budget and want to avoid the aerator pumps, take a look at the johnson ballast pumps. They are identical to the Jabsco and even use the same green impeller.

http://www.wakemakers.com/johnson-ultra-ballast-pump.html

$159 each, not bad.

The Johnson pumps are definitely good but depending on your application vs. the Ballast Puppies you will have to buy a switch for the Johnson. That doesn't eat up all of your savings but it pushes you $12-20 closer to the price of the Puppies.

You get a little bit faster fill time with the Johnson but I believe you give up the run dry protection that the Ballast Puppies have.

gabehonda
05-13-2011, 07:31 PM
Thanks , that is great info .... i guess i just need to decide ...... both systems sound like they will work good if installed correctly . I don't think my wife knew what she got me into when she bought me the bags for my birthday ....lol $$$ .... the things we do for the sport we love.

jason@wakemakers.com
01-10-2012, 04:22 PM
I know this is an old thread, but I wanted to post some info here in case someone else wonders across it in the future.

If cost is a concern, aerator pumps will ALWAYS be cheaper than flexible vane impeller pumps, and if the system is designed correctly, they will work just as well. There are certain situations where aerator pumps make less sense (filling and draining multiple bags with on set of pumps is essentially impossible for example), but as long as they're a candidate, you'll have a faster system, for less money.

If any one needs help determining which pump makes the most sense for their application let me know.

CantRepeat
01-10-2012, 05:04 PM
Thanks Jason. I need to call you about a new sac.