Correct Craft

[smsunman1]

What do you guys honestly think about Correct Craft

[Double Overhead]

I would own one. It would probably be my next choice behind MC. Everyone that I know thats owns CC loves them.

[smsunman1]

yea, i think between cc and mc it comes down which deal is better

[east tx skier]

Since this is a MC owned board, we will no doubt be reminded that we are not to "promote" other brands. It doesn't bother me, but if this thread disappears, I figured you'd want to know why.

For my vintage of boat, MC was the obvious choice. I've skied early 90s CCs and looked at one, but it wasn't the right boat for me. I have skied behind the 196 and enjoyed it quite a bit. I look forward to, one day, skiing the 197, but have not yet had the opportunity.

I live in a town with a population of around 100K and the nearest MC dealership is well over 100 miles in any direction. I only have one local tournament boat dealer and it is a CC dealer. They are fine people and treat me, from a service standpoint, as if I were one of their own. They always compliment my boat and I will return the compliment. I will never turn down a set behind a nautique. Clearly, it would have been very convenient for me to purchase one from a dealer for which I have the highest respect (and I'm a demanding customer), yet I bought a MasterCraft. So that's where I stand.

Those new ones sure are pricey.

[BriEOD]

I'm not trying to start WW3 here and I think they are a great boat but the last time we had a discussion about SN a certain MC affiliate got their panties all in a wad and we got the order to cease and desist. So, tread lightly my friends...

[Ric]

From my modest experiences, they make a good boat.
I don't like the trailer options since none are made by CC.
I personally cannot stomach the look of any of the N's(inside or out). Looks aren't everything, but appearance wise, N doesn't compare to the world record holder. 8p

[6ballsisall]

I'd own one. My only contention with them is the Right Hand rotation motors. Anything drive train related would be more spendy than standard rotation. I really like the looks of the TSC2 hulls, probably more so than the MC's of the same years. Do I need to get my flame proof suit out for that last statement? :cool:

[east tx skier]

That last CC thread aka the "Panty Fest '04," was all my fault. I take full responsibility for being overly complimentary to the Dark Side of the Wake last year. What can I say, I'm enthusiastic and had become frustrated by walking into lots of MC dealers where no 197s could be seen in the flesh/glass. Unfortunately, we can't edit the title of this thread to something stealthy like, "So ..."

Since then, I drove all the way to TX Ski Ranch in New Braunfels and finally found a dealer that had one in stock. Oh so pretty. Soon I hope to ski one.

/zips up flame suit, reaches in pocket for a cigar. Anybody got a light?

[smsunman1]

This thread is not an attempt to promote another manufacturer or stur the pot. I believe at this level it comes to personal preference and not quality. I know I like my 83 MC better than the same year CC.

[BriEOD]

The last time was ridiculous. While I agree it's MC's board and I understand, it could have been handled much more professionally then flaming a bunch of people (to include you and me Doug and our old @$$ boats if I remember correctly and I have a pretty dam good memory).

[smsunman1]

I'll edit the Mother what should it be. How about Twinkle Toes

[shepherd]

To Mastercraft brass: Please don't kill this board!!! Correct Craft is an inferior, un-performing, ugly piece of floating turd and I would have to wear a bag on my head if I ever skiied behind one in case somebody sees me.

(Note to Correct Craft legal: just kidding... please put away those slander/libel complaint forms... :o )

[6ballsisall]

The last time was ridiculous. While I agree it's MC's board and I understand, it could have been handled much more professionally then flaming a bunch of people (to include you and me Doug and our old @$$ boats if I remember correctly and I have a pretty dam good memory).


Mastercraft employees did that? Holly crap, what school of PR and business professionalism did they go too? Note to self, don't hire the yahoos that were responsible for that type of behavior unless I want my business to self destruct!

[BriEOD]

Shepherd here is a hint: it wasn't MC brass that raised the stink.

[Ric]

This thread is not an attempt to promote another manufacturer or stur the pot. I believe at this level it comes to personal preference and not quality. I know I like my 83 MC better than the same year CC.
you will definitely stir the pot with a thread that starts with so what do you really think about correct craft

[east tx skier]

I have a good memory, too. What amazes me was that in that thread, I commented that behind the new Response LX I could not tell that huge a difference between it and my boat. I then went on to pay the compliment heard 'round the world. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but the lead off sounded to me like a die hard MC promotion. Plus, it was just one guy's opinion. At that point, my pitiful AWSA approved, best selling MC of all time open bow was belittled because it was even put in the same league with the response and then you came on like a cross between Cassius Clay and Joseph McCarthey. 8p. You're my boy, Blue!

Good times. Good times.

Incidentilly, I had the chance to ski at ski school behind the same 196 this year. Again, very pleasant experience. I then spent a week behind my 93 PS 205 and have never felt happier about the boat I have chosen. What can I say, I love my butter-soft wake.

I look forward to the opportunity to ski behind a 197, but haven't yet made the long drive to find one.

[Footin]

Back in 96 when I wanted a barefoot boat, I was looking for a used BF200 or Barefoot Nautique. I just happened to find a BF200 in the shape and price I wanted first.
CC builds a great boat as does Mastercraft.
I have owned three different Mastercrafts and don't ever see myself leaveing them for another brand; however, there are other good ones out there.

I guess the compititon between all of them keeps them healthy.

[bradamerry]

I grew up sking behind a 73', 75', and 79' CC. All good boats, but I always perfered my cousin's 83' S&S.

[6ballsisall]

I read Waterski Mag cover to cover about oh, 10 times each issue. Being in Advertising I take note of ads. It's interesting the different content and messages each manufacturer takes on. CC and MC sure have a different approach

[rodltg2]

i recently looked, drove and skied a new nautique. i dont like they way they look or drive but they ski great. the 196 looks pretty good but all others are just ugly to me. i dont want to make anyone here mad but i had a chance to drive and ski the big three this weekend and i must rank the malibu 1st for skiing and driving, mc has far better features and looks.

[kipper88]

I started out skiing behind my parents old Correct Craft so I will always have a soft spot for them, however the old ps190 I have right now will not be replaced w/ anything but a MC unless of course the deal of a life time comes by.

[smsunman1]

Have you guys found that it comes to dealer representation of the product. I wouldn't let my local MC dealer install a bow light much less work on it.

[east tx skier]

i recently looked, drove and skied a new nautique. i dont like they way they look or drive but they ski great. the 196 looks pretty good but all others are just ugly to me. i dont want to make anyone here mad but i had a chance to drive and ski the big three this weekend and i must rank the malibu 1st for skiing and driving, mc has far better features and looks.

Well, it's been a nice thread while it lasted. See you guys in the funny pages.

Puffs cigar. I'm out.

[6ballsisall]

Hey easty, stay in man!! Maybe they'll punish you by taking away a couple thousand of your posts. Then we all have a fair shot of catching up to you. :D

Oh, did I just threadjack!! Sorry! :steering:

[shepherd]

Shepherd here is a hint: it wasn't MC brass that raised the stink.

Oh.

Never mind :o , I get it, I think...

Actually, on the lake I skiied on in Orlando, the CC's outnumbered the MC's 10 to 1. I usually felt kind of lonely in my lone Mastercraft out there. Maybe it's because the CC factory and local dealership was only 1/2 mile away. Someone also told me a rumor that the owner/pres/CEO/king of CC lived on that lake and gave his neighbors discounts (just a rumor...). What lake does the head of Mastercraft live on???? I suppose they must be good boats if so many people are using them (I don't think it's because they're cheap).

Speaking of feeling lonely, I must have the only Mastercraft (or I/B ski boat) in Northwest Florida. Where are all you people?? Tucked away on your private lakes?? (sorry for the jack)...

[kipper88]

The dealer that i bought my boat through is GREAT! Action Water sports out of hudsonville is top notch.

One thing i can't stand about driving Natiques is that they go a different direction in reverse. It really messes up my docking ability.

[smsunman1]

Shane Bonifay sure isn't going to sell me a boat.

[6ballsisall]

Have you guys found that it comes to dealer representation of the product. I wouldn't let my local MC dealer install a bow light much less work on it.


Um, yep for sure. There's not a CC dealer for about 120 miles from me so I am pretty tied down to Malibu, MC, Supra, Moomba if I need service work.

[BriEOD]

then you came on like a cross between Cassius Clay and Joseph McCarthey. 8p. You're my boy, Blue!



Man I was pretty ticked...Mark was to if I remember right. You and NeilM were the only calm ones. See your a lawyer and I'm a soldier; you have to be more tactful! ;)

[shepherd]

you will definitely stir the pot with a thread that starts with so what do you really think about correct craft

Maybe the thread should have started with so what do you really think about Bayliner

[rodltg2]

i should clear this up though , the mc was an 01 , malibu 97 , nautique 02. so out of those three different years the malibu was the best skiing and tracking , but looked the worse. the mc of that year tracks awful . the nautique i found hard to drive , seemed really squirely to me, but had an awesome soft wake. they are all great boats but i prefer my 93 stars and stripes over all.i would like to do it again with all brand new boats of same year and comparable model.

[Ric]

i would like to do it again with all brand new boats of same year and comparable model.
I did do that with MC, N & S (sorry no time or interest in M)

[rodltg2]

who is S? supra?

[Ric]

Yes .

[rodltg2]

supra's suck, not in the sanme category as the other 3.

[smsunman1]

MC is for Moomba Crapola

[Ric]

supra's suck, not in the sanme category as the other 3.That's mostly true, but I had to try it since I had one back in the day.

[dwvktm450]

I am the proud owner of a 83 stars and stripes. I actually worked at camp last summer that used all CC boats. the 196, 206 and 210.
Yes i may be partial to mc, but after driving these boats for over two months, six days a week, I will never own one. The boats were used and abused, but I still feel that they could have held up better. Many others felt the same way. If anyone wants details they can pm me. To anyone who thinks they are going to change brands, think really hard before you do.

[jamisonsbrodie]

I am sure that you all can agree that early-mid 90's mastercraft were unrivaled for ski-ability(greatest wakes ever). But from 97-newer the edge that MC had disappeared. With the advent of the TSC, and then TSC2 hulls, Nautique closed the gap on the wake, and their tracking is very good also. Styling of the nautique can be questionable at times, but there build quality, and performance is excellent and it shows with the high resale values. I own a MC and would buy another in an instant, but I would also buy a 97 or newer nautique without hesitation. The PCM motor/tranny is also a huge bonus.

[peason]

I owned an '84 CC 2001 and we loved the boat. But, when it came time to buy a new, larger boat, I didn't even look at the newer nautiques - it was either a used 205 or brand new 209. Now that we have the 209 - it is no comparison. CC has not kept up with styling - they make a good boat, but the MC's are very eye catching. We are not super skiers, but we do love all water sports - slalom, wakeboarding, wake surfing and barefooting and this 209 meets all of our needs with plenty of room. I have been ridden my good friends Air Nautique and it is a nice ride but MC hands down is the better boat.

[Mr. Bill]

My $0.02 - Great company, great boat, ugly as sin. CC really needs to take a few steps back and LOOK at the boat. I haven't liked the looks of a N since the 2001 series. The MC's are much more inviting to the eyes... "almost" always have been.

[east tx skier]

Hey easty, stay in man!! Maybe they'll punish you by taking away a couple thousand of your posts. Then we all have a fair shot of catching up to you. :D

Oh, did I just threadjack!! Sorry! :steering:

Which is the bigger crime. Using the dark side of the wake, or threadjacking?

I'm still here, but I don't want to tempt the MC gods. This post already has 300 views in less than an hour.

[Mr. Bill]

supra's suck, not in the sanme category as the other 3.
I liked the old Supra Comps (at least the look)... Not a MC though...

[Mr. Bill]

Which is the bigger crime. Using the dark side of the wake, or threadjacking?

I'm still here, but I don't want to tempt the MC gods. This post already has 300 views in less than an hour.
Anytime we mention the other guys it's like talking about your ex with your wife... The conversation will never end.

[east tx skier]

Man I was pretty ticked...Mark was to if I remember right. You and NeilM were the only calm ones. See your a lawyer and I'm a soldier; you have to be more tactful! ;)

Tell that to the rest of the lawyers. :uglyhamme Talk about a profession with very little tact.

I vented, but you were the man that day. I still don't think mark has gotten over it.

[east tx skier]

supra's suck, not in the sanme category as the other 3.

I'll stick up for the 99 Comp I get to ski behind a couple of times a year. The spray is bad, but the wake is soft. It drives nice, too. I wouldn't buy one, but I'll ski it and enjoy the hell out of myself.

[scott88prostar]

When you pull in the dock on the drivers side I always hit a little reverse to pull the rear in....In a CC reverse will put the bow into the dock....I dont care for the counter rotation.

[east tx skier]

I am sure that you all can agree that early-mid 90's mastercraft were unrivaled for ski-ability(greatest wakes ever). But from 97-newer the edge that MC had disappeared. With the advent of the TSC, and then TSC2 hulls, Nautique closed the gap on the wake, and their tracking is very good also. Styling of the nautique can be questionable at times, but there build quality, and performance is excellent and it shows with the high resale values. I own a MC and would buy another in an instant, but I would also buy a 97 or newer nautique without hesitation. The PCM motor/tranny is also a huge bonus.

Just a note. The 97 Prostar 190 was exactly the same as the 96 and the 95.

[AirJunky]

Well built boat. But in my price range, they drive like a truck. If all you want to do is drive in a straight line, then CC is great. But the PS205 will out perform them everytime, out of the hole or in the turns.

[jamisonsbrodie]

Just a note. The 97 Prostar 190 was exactly the same as the 96 and the 95.
97 was the first year of the TSC hull for N

[east tx skier]

Sorry, I misread your post. Yes, 97 was the first TSC hull year.

[MarkP]

Oh, no.......

[east tx skier]

Well built boat. But in my price range, they drive like a truck. If all you want to do is drive in a straight line, then CC is great. But the PS205 will out perform them everytime, out of the hole or in the turns.

Yeah, it's hard to make those CCs go around those 6 orange balls. :uglyhamme :friday:

[east tx skier]

Oh, no.......

Mark, you have an avatar for every ocassion.

Somebody needs to jack this thread.

Say, what do you guys think about pontoon boats?

[MarkP]

Mark, you have an avatar for every ocassion.

Somebody needs to jack this thread.

Say, what do you guys think about pontoon boats?Did somone say Poontang??:popcorn:

[AirJunky]

Yeah, it's hard to make those CCs go around those 6 orange balls. :uglyhamme :friday:
Get out of the course once in a blue moon..... it's a lot more fun when you can add a vertical dimension to your skiing!!

[BriEOD]

Bill you can get air on a slalom ski!! ;)

[east tx skier]

Get out of the course once in a blue moon..... it's a lot more fun when you can add a vertical dimension to your skiing!!

I spend more time out of the course than I do in it, that's for sure. It was while I wasn't skiing that I came up with that funny joke. As for the vertical dimension, I'm having a hard enough time getting back on my ski without that. ;)

[AirJunky]

Go visit Parker, AZ sometime & see the guys doing the hot dog skiing...... front flips, tic tocs, backwards sub starts. Not a lot of vertical, but a lot of fun.

[Granite_33]

I looked long and hard at the MC 209 / X-9 and the CC Team 216 this past winter. As others have said....the CC styling seems to be trailing the curve. The hull design of the CC seems progressive.....but then again, both the hulls are still AWSA approved.

Considering we are a family of 4 that normally boats with friends.......

-MC has 5" of additional beam which, though seems trivial......was noticeable to me. The floor space seemed bigger on the MC.
-The open bow of the MC seemed much more roomy than the CC. A big plus for the MC. I never liked the bow setup on the CC. That was a big minus for the CC.
-The curved rear seat of the CC puts you at an akward angle. I much prefer the MC setup where you sit facing forward without any angle.
-We had about 15 beach towels packed underneath the MC rear seat this past weekend. You can't do that with the CC.
-The keyless ignition.....though sorta cool.....is absolute overkill.
-The MC Z-Flex Tower looked much better than the CC. (Again styling)

Those were some of the things that swayed my decision.........along with the fact that our first MC ran like a champ :headbang: for 7 years with absolutely nothing more than the johnson pump going out.

We had 10 people in the boat this past weekend.......the X-9 handled them all. The CC could not have done that.

Long story longer......The 216 team was nice.....but the MC had the above and much more going for it.

[maristarman]

Here's an interesting resource for boat comparisons.

http://www.jdpower.com/cc/boats/ratings/ski_wakeboard/index.jsp

I disagree with who they gave the award to.

[3event]

I'm with Granite nearly point for point. Bought the PS197 new in 02. CC 196 had less interior room, cheap looking tower. But the main complaint was and is, ugly boat. You get much more room out of the best ski hull on the MC. And the boat is much more attractive. Now, a few years later, CC seems to be trying for a price premium (judging by advertised prices at Jan boat show) - several thou. No thanks !

I agree that dealers are an issue. That is an area sales management should keep on top of. I was a little hesitant to work with the closest dealer, having some experience / feedback before - but they have improved and the service department has taken care of business.....

[G-man]

The brand doesn't matter if the service sucks.

[Ric]

Styling of the nautique can be questionable at times, but there build quality, and performance is excellent and it shows with the high resale values. I own a MC and would buy another in an instant, but I would also buy a 97 or newer nautique without hesitation. The PCM motor/tranny is also a huge bonus.
Nothing wrong wtih the N that I'm aware of but you know? I question the whole resale value myth.

I compared my 2000 prostar to a 2000 nautique given the same hours and condition and features and it was a wash. my MC was actually a couple of hundred higher. Truth is, it's only worth what you can sell it for.
What may be another myth is that you'll pay more for an N. I don't know, I never got that far into the process when looking at a 206.

The consensus on the nicholls site is that the N's cost more, hold that value blah blah blah.
I don't ski like those guys but if they supposedly paid more for their 2000 tsc2 hull than I did my 2000prostar, they lost in the resale game.

[jamisonsbrodie]

[QUOTE=Ric]Nothing wrong wtih the N that I'm aware of but you know? I question the whole resale value myth.

I didn't mean to imply that the N resale or build quality was better, just that it holds up very well, like MC.

[east tx skier]

Nothing wrong wtih the N that I'm aware of but you know? I question the whole resale value myth.

I compared my 2000 prostar to a 2000 nautique given the same hours and condition and features and it was a wash. my MC was actually a couple of hundred higher. Truth is, it's only worth what you can sell it for.
What may be another myth is that you'll pay more for an N. I don't know, I never got that far into the process when looking at a 206.

The consensus on the nicholls site is that the N's cost more, hold that value blah blah blah.
I don't ski like those guys but if they supposedly paid more for their 2000 tsc2 hull than I did my 2000prostar, they lost in the resale game.

What's wrong with the Nicholls dudes? Scoke offered to send me a pair of glove liners when I was having problems ordering from Grainger a while back. They're pretty hard core at times, but generally friendly.

[east tx skier]

The brand doesn't matter if the service sucks.

Quality service and return phone calls are big priorities with me. Of course, with no warranty, I can get it serviced anywhere.

[Cloaked]

........but if this thread disappears, I figured you'd want to know why.

ETS, I hear ya'...... ==> Censorship and insecurity. :) But I don't think this board is to that point.... Sad if it is though... LOL... Imagine a discussion forum where on can't discuss a competitor.... That would be like the cheating Dr. Waterskier in MN... Fix it like you want it then go ski... :uglyhamme

Correct Craft has a fine product. MC should welcome comments and such then realize they have a loyalty of owners too....

I'd own one and honestly my choice of MC over SN years ago was that I live within 50 miles of the factory. But I like MCs and that continued choice of mine is based on their products that satisfy my needs. To me, it doesn't matter who's got what features and options. Who cares? Make a choice to suit one's needs and the rest is just fluff... What fun would it be to have a perfect boat? Then there would be nothing to look forward to in the way of upgrades or new products...

Correct Craft is a fine machine and so is Mastercraft.

For that matter, this V V V is a fine machine too... Meet Dana, she just likes to ride...

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[east tx skier]

Hi Dana.

Sporty, I wasn't complaining. I was just throwing that out there because some of us still remember the first go-round when this happened, and others are a little newer to the party. I agree with you though. I recognize why we continue to log in and it isn't because we think Bayliner or Centurion is where it's at. I think discussion of all the brands is healthy and so on. But I don't pay the bills around here, so I'll play by the rules. Just thought that we all needed to be reminded that threads like this have disappeared before and didn't want anyone to be surprised if/when Panty Fest '05 Got all balled up and underway.

[Cloaked]

Hi Dana.

Sporty, I wasn't complaining. I was just throwing that out there because some of us still remember the first go-round when this happened, and others are a little newer to the party. I agree with you though. I recognize why we continue to log in and it isn't because we think Bayliner or Centurion is where it's at. I think discussion of all the brands is healthy and so on. But I don't pay the bills around here, so I'll play by the rules. Just thought that we all needed to be reminded that threads like this have disappeared before and didn't want anyone to be surprised if/when Panty Fest '05 Got all balled up and underway.It's all good. I wasn't implying as such.

[6ballsisall]

It's all good. I wasn't implying as such.


Panty Fest 05 might make me rethink my MC enthusiasm. Whats that statement about a mind being like a parachute? :cool:

[Ric]

What's wrong with the Nicholls dudes?
Nothing - that I know of anyway...........

-



Say hello to that pretty lady for us ok sporty? :wavey:

[Cloaked]

Say hello to that pretty lady for us ok sporty? :wavey:Will do. She's a peach. I met her in Alabama at a nuclear plant that I was working on.

[T Scott]

CC makes a nice boat, but I personally like the lines of a Mastercraft much, much better. My buddy across the lake has an 02 Ski Naautique and although it is a solid boat, I'd rather be in a Prostar any day of the week.
It is kind of like comparing BMW and Mercedes. ... both nice cars, but which one looks and feels better to you.

[bobk]

I am new to owning a boat and it was very clear to me that a MasterCraft was the onlyt way for me. Why settle for anything other than the best. It took 4 years to find the right pre-owned boat in my price range, but I am glad I waited and continue to look at all boat manufactures.

I currently own a ProStar 195 and don't think I would have been happy with any other brand. :D

[USC8791]

CC makes a great boat. I ski regularly behind a 206 and the wake is great. The 196 is supposed to be even better. They are bullet straight in the course, but a little heavy handling outside. The "wrong" prop rotation is a pain in the ***! CC seems to be more about performance and less about hype (IMHO) than MC.

CC definitely beats MC in some areas, but MC has the edge for total package (wake, looks, interior room, driveability, dealer availability etc...).

[ajgressette]

Correct Craft makes a great artificial reef. :uglyhamme

I would rather paddle a Mastercraft than have a Correct Craft. :rant:

[Granite_33]

The brand doesn't matter if the service sucks.

1st rate service matters........but then again........nope......can't bring myself to buy a Moomba even if the dealer is 1st rate.

Even if you have less than admirable service....in 5 years you still have a Mastercraft.

In 5 years......the Moomba is nothing more than a garbage scowl.

[Mr. Bill]

Are MC dealers REQUIRED to be factory certified for performing repairs?

[MarkP]

1st rate service matters........but then again........nope......can't bring myself to buy a Moomba even if the dealer is 1st rate.

Even if you have less than admirable service....in 5 years you still have a Mastercraft.

In 5 years......the Moomba is nothing more than a garbage scowl.LMAO,, Now THATS harsh!:uglyhamme

[Mr. Bill]

Does any know a long-term Moomba owner... 1st rate service doesn't matter if you have to keep bringing your boat in... They key is NOT having to bring your boat in.

[zberger]

Does any know a long-term Moomba owner... 1st rate service doesn't matter if you have to keep bringing your boat in... They key is NOT having to bring your boat in.

Are Moomba's really that bad if taken care of?

[Mr. Bill]

I always hear people talking about Moomba and the great price tag and the really nice service people but I don't know of anyone who actually owns one.

[Granite_33]

Are Moomba's really that bad if taken care of?

They are slightly better boats than the one that the toolman has. :D

[smsunman1]

build quality is speculative at best

[Mr. Bill]

I've also heard that M dealers don't stock much... Makes it hard to test the model you want to buy... Most MC dealers have TONS of boats to test.

[phecksel]

I had a deposit on a used Nautique. Unfortunately the person I thought was the friend refused to sell and kept the deposit. So, I was in the unique position of being mid summer, sold my MasterCraft, and not having a boat. Nautique and Mastercraft dealer are less then one mile apart. Natique dealer has a reputation of being over priced, and I found that to be true. Mastercraft dealer not only spent a ton of time evaluating my ideal boat, but had that boat sitting on their show room floor. They ordered this boat with a single narrow blue metallic stripe. It has a nice clean look. While they were prepping it, no less then four people inquired on buying it :) I had dealt with this dealer 15 years prior with my tri star, and this deal and a couple of minor service dealings went extremely well. Almost felt bad filling out the JD Service survey with all 5's. Nothing can be that good, can it?

[Mr. Bill]

The starter M's have a smaller engine than MC's lowest I think??? I also assume there are much less std features.

[AirJunky]

I've also heard that M dealers don't stock much... Makes it hard to test the model you want to buy... Most MC dealers have TONS of boats to test.
Hmmmmm, maybe in Mass. the MC dealers will stock tons..... actually Cope's will stock a ton of boats. But not here in the Kan. Maybe 10 or 12 boats at any given time. Down the street at the 'bu dealer, quite a few more. Mainly because the 'bu dealer only deals 'bu. Whereas the MC dealer also sells 3 or 4 other brands of inboards & I/Os.

[east tx skier]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that the base Malibus have carbureted 5.7L Indmar chevys in them turning about 310 hp. At least they used to. CCs still offer a 5.0 base engine (saw one locally in a 206 just the other day).

[Mr. Bill]

I had a deposit on a used Nautique. Unfortunately the person I thought was the friend refused to sell and kept the deposit. So, I was in the unique position of being mid summer, sold my MasterCraft, and not having a boat. Nautique and Mastercraft dealer are less then one mile apart. Natique dealer has a reputation of being over priced, and I found that to be true. Mastercraft dealer not only spent a ton of time evaluating my ideal boat, but had that boat sitting on their show room floor. They ordered this boat with a single narrow blue metallic stripe. It has a nice clean look. While they were prepping it, no less then four people inquired on buying it :) I had dealt with this dealer 15 years prior with my tri star, and this deal and a couple of minor service dealings went extremely well. Almost felt bad filling out the JD Service survey with all 5's. Nothing can be that good, can it?
I have never had a bad experience with a MC dealer. Sometimes getting parts can be a slow process but I really can't complain. You are right, they take the time to evaluate your situation. Not a lot of dealers do that.

[Mr. Bill]

Hmmmmm, maybe in Mass. the MC dealers will stock tons..... actually Cope's will stock a ton of boats. But not here in the Kan. Maybe 10 or 12 boats at any given time. Down the street at the 'bu dealer, quite a few more. Mainly because the 'bu dealer only deals 'bu. Whereas the MC dealer also sells 3 or 4 other brands of inboards & I/Os.
I've been to two dealers... One in MA and one in NH... Both had a great selection to test. Maybe we are just luck here :)

[east tx skier]

Hmmmmm, maybe in Mass. the MC dealers will stock tons..... actually Cope's will stock a ton of boats. But not here in the Kan. Maybe 10 or 12 boats at any given time. Down the street at the 'bu dealer, quite a few more. Mainly because the 'bu dealer only deals 'bu. Whereas the MC dealer also sells 3 or 4 other brands of inboards & I/Os.

I visited many a MC dealer in TX last year. Found 1 197 in stock at TX ski ranch in New Braunfels. Spoke to someone earlier this month at Gus Campbells in Monroe LA, and apparently, he has a bunch of 'em. Just depends on the dealer.

[Mr. Bill]

I visited many a MC dealer in TX last year. Found 1 197 in stock at TX ski ranch in New Braunfels. Spoke to someone earlier this month at Gus Campbells in Monroe LA, and apparently, he has a bunch of 'em. Just depends on the dealer.
I'm in New England so we have like three REAL months of summer and the rest is touch-and-go. Maybe dealers here know that time is precious so they stock whatever they can fit to cut down on order times. dunno... But it works for us!!!

[ski36short]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that the base Malibus have carbureted 5.7L Indmar chevys in them turning about 310 hp. At least they used to. CCs still offer a 5.0 base engine (saw one locally in a 206 just the other day).

For 2005 Malibu (finally) dumped the carb and went EFI. Our club boat is a Malibu Sportster with one option: Perfect Pass. Last year it was carb'ed, this year it's a 320 hp MPI engine. I would bet it's the same as MC's base engine.

What?? A 5.0 in a 206? That thing seems like a barge (not as bad as the LXi which seems to ski pretty well), I would think a 5.0 is on the underpowered side!

[ski36short]

Are Moomba's really that bad if taken care of?

My lake is full of them. I've only seen one need to be towed home so far (in two years) but I haven't been in or behind one to see what they're really like. All I know is that they're not for me - along the lines of the "I finally joined the group" thread...

[east tx skier]

For 2005 Malibu (finally) dumped the carb and went EFI. Our club boat is a Malibu Sportster with one option: Perfect Pass. Last year it was carb'ed, this year it's a 320 hp MPI engine. I would bet it's the same as MC's base engine.

What?? A 5.0 in a 206? That thing seems like a barge (not as bad as the LXi which seems to ski pretty well), I would think a 5.0 is on the underpowered side!

I've skied a 98 sportstar with a 5.0. Surprisingly, lots of low end. Plenty of pull for me. Never skied the 206, but since they've got standard 1.23:1, I'm guessing maybe you don't need as much engine? ICBW.

[ski36short]

Never skied the 206, but since they've got standard 1.23:1, I'm guessing maybe you don't need as much engine? ICBW.

Ah, I forgot about that. So we'll call it adequate. :)

[east tx skier]

It was an air nautique though. Might be underpowered when weighted.

[Mr. Bill]

Funny how this thread went from a question to discussing the entire industry... It's nice to hear (or read) everyone's take on the "others".

I guess we've been good because MC hasn't killed this thread yet. :D

[jimmer2880]

Does any know a long-term Moomba owner... 1st rate service doesn't matter if you have to keep bringing your boat in... They key is NOT having to bring your boat in.

Of the Comp boats on my river, Moomba is about 30%, Supra is another 30% & the last 40% is made up of the rest (including MC).

I talk to a guy regulary who has one of the first Moomba's. He foots every weekend. He's happy with it. But - it is rough!

A bud of mine owns a '05 Moomba Outback. Nice wake. Carb'd boat & again - rough on the fit & finish.

They are cheaper boats & do show their age. Mechanically - they are a simple boat. Not much to go wrong with them. As far as service - it's the same as the local Supra dealership (I know - go figure). I wouldn't let that guy change a lightbulb in my golf cart much less even look at my boat.

[Granite_33]

Hmmmmm, maybe in Mass. the MC dealers will stock tons..... actually Cope's will stock a ton of boats. But not here in the Kan. Maybe 10 or 12 boats at any given time. Down the street at the 'bu dealer, quite a few more. Mainly because the 'bu dealer only deals 'bu. Whereas the MC dealer also sells 3 or 4 other brands of inboards & I/Os.

Its pretty easy to notice the dealers that tie their money up in multiple lines.

My Dealer deals only MC's, and has big inventory.

About 5 weeks ago, while looking for a new slalom, I went to a Nastique dealer that had a pro shop.......he also had about 5 other boat lines. 1 Nastique in the showroom. All the rest toons and I/O's. Same with the other CC dealer (1 in inv) Same with the Moom-bah / Supra dealer (2)
Of course, they could all order them in for you......... :mad:

[PapaJoe]

I agree about the trailors... CC needs to make their own... Or - Sub- contract a manufacter, and give thier trailors a little more style... Nice boat on an ugly trailor rolling down the road... MC does it right...


JOE

[73SS]

Interesting thread. Don.t blame CC for right hand rotation props, my S & S has a 13R13.

[stevo137]

Nevermind... :D

[MasterCrafting]

I was thinking about saying something but, i decided it is better to not get involved! -_-

[stevo137]

Editing option: I wish I could tell you what I really think! :D

[Cloaked]

Interesting thread. Don.t blame CC for right hand rotation props, my S & S has a 13R13.Would you post your engine model number please?