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ace_gln
03-18-2011, 05:27 AM
goodmorning to you all from greece ,
I recently bought an 197 prostar duval edition 2004 with vortec 8,1cc . the boat is a beauty and I bought it from a familiar person . the perfect pass had never been used , because it was not connected to the boat , so I tried to connect it . I have all the parts and I was going to make it work untill I saw that the wiring from the boat is missing !!!
I searced behind the cockpit , i searched behing the throttle cover , I searched behind the foots cover , nothing...!!! the only adapter that I found it was a four pins black one . I didn't found the white one from the perfect pass !!
I would like to ask if I can find the start of the wiring of my boat , so I can find out if the plug is really missing , or it's hiding somewhere !!!
thank you

ace_gln
03-18-2011, 08:19 AM
maybe if I had the boat wiring , I could find from where this plug n' play adapter starts . does anyone knows where can I find it ?

rem_pss308
03-18-2011, 09:43 AM
one of these should help where the wires are hooked to.

http://www.perfectpass.com/pp_support_usersmanual.html

ace_gln
03-18-2011, 10:08 AM
it doesn't shows where the boat's plug is ...
i need the boat's wiring , not the perfect pass's
thank you althought

Jerseydave
03-18-2011, 11:46 AM
You have a prostar 197 with the 8.1 liter? WOW, that is a beast! (pics please!)

Is the paddlewheel already there? (that would already be sending a signal to the speedo)
Did you find the PP controller? Try under the dash on drivers side, maybe behind the front cushion in the bow area?

Sorry if I can't be of more help, I don't own a 197 but hopefully someone that does can help you out soon.

ace_gln
03-21-2011, 04:29 AM
yes ... it is a beast and I love it ...
i searced behind the cockpit , under the dash ... the plug n' play wiring harness is nowhere .
the only part that was on the boat , was the dash display , the paddlewheel is not on the boat , they gave it to me separately , because I asked for it .
there are some photos ...
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Jeff d
03-21-2011, 10:13 AM
So, is it throttle by wire or cable actuated? If cable actuated do you have the servo on the engine? It should be pretty obvious and look like this:
http://www.perfectpass.com/images/figure_a_large.jpg

IIRC MasterCraft/Indmar started doing throttle by wire around '05-06' but I don't know much about the '04 8.1L. If you have the servo it's usually attached to a cooling hose and there's a cable going from it to the throttle body.

For a non throttle by wire boat the key components would be:
-Paddlewheel or GPS receiver
-Master Module (aproximately 5x7" IIRC)
-Throttle control servo
-Cable from servo to Master Module
-Wires from Paddlewheel or GPS to Master Module
-Harness from display to Master Module
-Power wires for Master Module
-RPM wire(s) for Master Module

My boat didn't have the "plug and play" harness so I had to run the above wires. Not sure which years/models had the "plug and play" harness from the factory.

Jerseydave
03-21-2011, 11:14 AM
Nice pics! She is a beauty!

Sounds like you are almost starting from scratch on the PerfectPass. If it were me, I would go with stargazer running off GPS, no paddlewheel. Just get the whole kit from PP and install it, much easier than dealing with the paddlewheel.

That boat is a barefooters dream.....what's the top speed? With the right prop I bet you could see 50 mph!

Jeff d
03-21-2011, 10:31 PM
Yeah, depending on the version of Perfect Pass that you have you might just need to buy the StarGazer upgrade and avoid having to bore a big ole hole in your hull. If you don't ski somewhere that has a significant current, or go under a lot of bridges while skiing, then the the GPS is win win IMHO (No hole, no surging in corners, better accuracy). Oh, but you have to give up the water temp on the PP display because it picks that up with the paddle wheel.

ace_gln
03-22-2011, 04:43 AM
the padlle wheel is on the boat , the hole is already there. I'm sorry , but I'm not so familiar with the parts and I was trying to find out , what part is the paddlewheel. so , I will show you the parts that I have maybe Its helpfull for you . the stargazer is not an option right now, I can't afford it, perhaps after the summer's end ...
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ace_gln
03-22-2011, 04:51 AM
Nice pics! She is a beauty!

Sounds like you are almost starting from scratch on the PerfectPass. If it were me, I would go with stargazer running off GPS, no paddlewheel. Just get the whole kit from PP and install it, much easier than dealing with the paddlewheel.

That boat is a barefooters dream.....what's the top speed? With the right prop I bet you could see 50 mph!

I can't afford it right now ... I' m from Greece and the things here are not great ...
the speed is above 50 mph .. it's 65 !!!! on the analog instrument

ace_gln
03-22-2011, 04:56 AM
So, is it throttle by wire or cable actuated? If cable actuated do you have the servo on the engine? It should be pretty obvious and look like this:
http://www.perfectpass.com/images/figure_a_large.jpg

IIRC MasterCraft/Indmar started doing throttle by wire around '05-06' but I don't know much about the '04 8.1L. If you have the servo it's usually attached to a cooling hose and there's a cable going from it to the throttle body.

For a non throttle by wire boat the key components would be:
-Paddlewheel or GPS receiver
-Master Module (aproximately 5x7" IIRC)
-Throttle control servo
-Cable from servo to Master Module
-Wires from Paddlewheel or GPS to Master Module
-Harness from display to Master Module
-Power wires for Master Module
-RPM wire(s) for Master Module

My boat didn't have the "plug and play" harness so I had to run the above wires. Not sure which years/models had the "plug and play" harness from the factory.

thank you so much ...
so you run above the wires ... and what excactly you found ...??? I ' m asking because I have to do the same ... and I don't know where it ends . I'm sure that behind my cockpit , and the foot panel there is only a black adapter , like the one that comes from the perfect pass's panel . I need the white one that gives power to perfect pass ... that is the one that I can't find

Andyg
03-22-2011, 11:29 AM
It looks like you are missing the throttle cable linkage and the the black knob on the servo motor. You can try and contact perfect pass here in the US to see if they can send you what you need.

http://www.perfectpass.com/

Andyg
03-22-2011, 02:00 PM
Here is a link to the instruction and installation manual.

Perfect Pass Manual (http://www.perfectpass.com/download/usersmanuals/DBW.DIGITALPRO.USERMANUAL6.5Ng.June2007.pdf)

I installed my perfect pass on my 2003 PS197 with the MCX. It was a pretty easy install. There should be some open connectors in the existing boat wire harness behind the kick panel in front of the driver's footwell that the unit plugs into. You do have to run the servo motor control wire from up under the kick panel to the engine compartment, but that isn't too hard. Getting the linkages attached for the throttle cable was the hardest part.

Good Luck

ace_gln
03-23-2011, 04:47 AM
It looks like you are missing the throttle cable linkage and the the black knob on the servo motor. You can try and contact perfect pass here in the US to see if they can send you what you need.


I also got it ... I didn't attached it to my photos ...
only the plug n' play wire is missing

Jeff d
03-23-2011, 09:48 AM
I need the white one that gives power to perfect pass ... that is the one that I can't find

I would just give up on looking for that plug, if it even exists. It's just 2 wires to connect. Crimp a loop on the end of the black wire and screw it down to your grounding block under the dash. I believe the ignition switched +12v in the factory harness will also be purple. Use a T tap or scotch lock to connect the purple wire from the PP power connector to that purple wire in the harness.
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I'd check that purple wire with a multimeter before committing to it or contact PP and ask them what color wire is for ignition switched +12v. BTW their customer support is pretty easy to work with. I've emailed them a couple of times and an engineer got back to me within 1 business day. techsupport@perfectpass.com

Andyg
03-23-2011, 01:51 PM
I found this info in the installation instructions. I would contact perfect pass and see if they can send you the specific harness.

2002 – 2005 MasterCraft – Power, RPM and Paddle Wheel speed is all located in the special plug and play harness supplied with each system. The MasterCraft supplied white connector is on every boat specifically for PerfectPass. You may have to remove the driver’s foot panel to locate this connector in the boat’s wiring harness

Good Luck

Andy

ace_gln
03-28-2011, 02:45 AM
I found it ... it was in the tunel that the wiring is coming from engine ... who knows what was doing there.
the question is ... I found two of these plugs , the one is connected and it's going behind the cockpit, the problem is that it has on it the wire from the padllewheel(5 wires connected) , the other one that is blank and ready to connext on my perfect pass's plug has 4 wires . is there something wrong or I should just connect the plug with the 5 wires and connect the other one with the wiring that is going behind the cockpit ????

Andyg
03-28-2011, 12:09 PM
Can you post a photo of what you talking about showing all the different connectors you have? It is not clear to me.


Andyg

KTief01
08-19-2011, 03:35 AM
I have this same problem. I have a 2003 X-10 with perfect pass and the transducer wire has 5 connections going into the white wire harness, but there are only 4 connectors on the other end that appear to be going somewhere in the cockpit. Can someone explain where these four wires are going and what functions they serve. There is a RED wire labeled SPDO, a Grey wire labeled TACH, a green wire with no label, and a BLACK & PURPLE wire that have been crimped together into one connector. When I turn the Key right to obtain power to my instruments before I start the boat the PURPLE wire carries around 12V. I am confuse on what some of these wires do and where they get plugged into the "Plug and Play" harness supplied by mastercraft for the perfect pass. PLEASE HELP.