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Mgboyd25
02-23-2011, 08:18 PM
What does everyone think the fuel prices are going to get up to this summer? Starting to get concerned with talks of 4-5 dollars a gallon again:confused:

shocker47
02-23-2011, 08:18 PM
They are defiantly going up to at least 4$ a gallon.

Cmpdman
02-23-2011, 08:28 PM
A few years ago we paid $5.25 a gal. at Dangling Rope marina at Lake Powell. 3 boats, 4 jet skis & houseboat. We spent $1800 in gas in 30 minutes. Hahaha... On the good side this was split between 4 families. I pray that it's going down, but....

JimN
02-23-2011, 08:31 PM
With the unrest in Libya and the fact that they're one of the biggest oil and gas producers, we won't have much to say about the cost if Ghaddafi carries out his threats.

j.mccreight@hotmail.com
02-23-2011, 08:32 PM
with the problems in the middle east, obama's oil moriturium and demand being low = higher prices
read my mind JimN

2RLAKE
02-23-2011, 08:35 PM
hopefully no more than $4 ... but the cost will be what it is ... might change our habits slightly of how we use the boats, be at the dock more, but we are still heading to the lake ... course that be well over $100 round trip too

Double D
02-23-2011, 09:07 PM
Its not going to be good. I paid $3.39 today on an empty tank in my Avalanche and got $100 in before the pump shut off. My gauge shows full so I was only going to get a few more cents in, but its just going to get worse.... :mad:

bwop
02-23-2011, 09:16 PM
Already 5$ a gallon in Canada and thats not at the marinas!

vision
02-23-2011, 10:18 PM
$4.29 for regular on July 4th.

gatorguy
02-23-2011, 10:38 PM
With the unrest in Libya and the fact that they're one of the biggest oil and gas producers, we won't have much to say about the cost if Ghaddafi carries out his threats.

NPR quoted Libya as being responsible for about 7-8% of total oil production for the world, and most of that goes to Europe.

I'm not looking forward to my fuel bill this summer. I have a 15hr one way drive to Lake Powell with a week on the houseboat with the MC and a couple of wave runners. I'm budgeting $3000 just for fuel.

It's not going to stop me from playing though. I'd rather skip eating out a few times than skimp on boat/lake time.

jdeml
02-23-2011, 10:41 PM
gas was 2.91 here today so i bought a bunch and poured it in my bathtub. should be ok for a while:)

TOO-TALL
02-23-2011, 11:45 PM
I don't see how people in washington excpect(sp) the economy to recover.With gas prices on the rise,taxes going up,etc,etc......I mean come on!!

I see gas hit'n 4-4.15 this summer then 2012 it will be 5.

Viktimize
02-24-2011, 02:52 AM
I don't see how people in washington excpect(sp) the economy to recover.With gas prices on the rise,taxes going up,etc,etc......I mean come on!!

I see gas hit'n 4-4.15 this summer then 2012 it will be 5.

Obama did tell everyone in all his speeches when he was running for President, that his plan was to bankrupt the country. I still have no idea why anyone would vote for someone with that kind of plan?? I guess all those new social programs(that somehow wouldn't cost any tax money), sounded really good to all the poor people?? If you were a hard working, logical thinking person. You would have to have A LOT of hate for Bush to go vote in this clown. :confused:

Skipper
02-24-2011, 05:53 AM
No, you dare speak ill of the liberal's messiah? Looks like he is not content with just destroying America. He wants to bring down the whole world and let the radical islamists take over. Save the United States! Save the world! Impeach that deamon before he destroys the world.

2RLAKE
02-24-2011, 06:20 AM
amen brother

Plave
02-24-2011, 06:35 AM
$10.00 per gallon on the lake here and rising.

You guys have no idea how easy you have it.

Mgboyd25
02-24-2011, 07:12 AM
I was waiting for one of our euro friends to chime in. I know they have dealt with the high prices for some time,
I have a good group of ski buddies that we all share boats and chip in for gas on the lake so that should help out. But looks like I will be driving my little escort station wagon around a lot more than my v8 truck

Barefooter92
02-24-2011, 07:32 AM
I heard this morning that Libya is only 2% of the worlds oil supply. What gives? Anyone have any fuel saving tips for our MC's this summer?

timvan
02-24-2011, 07:36 AM
Anyone have any fuel saving tips for our MC's this summer?

Get a good anchor

mccobmd
02-24-2011, 08:03 AM
I heard this morning that Libya is only 2% of the worlds oil supply. What gives? Anyone have any fuel saving tips for our MC's this summer?

This is why I don't own a tube. I would guess 10 times as much gas is used pulling a tube as all other behind the boat sports. Not hating on anyone, just saying people hold on to those forever, skiing and boarding is limited by muscle fatigue.

jkski
02-24-2011, 09:17 AM
My guess is that we will see $4.25 for gas and peak just over $5 for diesel.
With prices like this you certainly learn in a hurry to shut the boat off whenever it is not moving, like when you are changing skiers, etc., I was amazed how much this little bit helps in the course of time. Between that and leaving your boat at the lake whenever possible so as not to have to tow it, you will save a few pennies.
Overall, it will be an expensive summer, I recall most weekends when I pulled the boat to the lake costing over $200 between truck and boat, and that was when I was pulling with a gas truck.

Cmpdman
02-24-2011, 09:41 AM
I've done the math several times and its always the same. Money in wallet, goto lake, come home, wallet is much lighter. I like the idea of eating out less and keeping the boating time (quality family time) the same.

Willski
02-24-2011, 09:43 AM
This is why I don't own a tube. I would guess 10 times as much gas is used pulling a tube as all other behind the boat sports. Not hating on anyone, just saying people hold on to those forever, skiing and boarding is limited by muscle fatigue.

I agree. On a normal trip to the lake or river, we probably only use about 10 gallons. If we decide to cruise, then we use alot more. Mostly we ski, then we sit, ski, then we sit.

aquaman
02-24-2011, 10:12 AM
I heard this morning that Libya is only 2% of the worlds oil supply. What gives? Anyone have any fuel saving tips for our MC's this summer?

It's not just Libya's 2%......the Whole region is on alert. The Saudi King resorted to making payments to subjects to try and head off any discontent.

And our Fearless Leader Barry has held the Ban for drilling in US waters. duh??

Gas will easily hit $5/gal this summer, on land. Marina gas, no telling.

ski/hunt
02-24-2011, 10:20 AM
Here is that "change" that the moron based his campaign on. Who would have thought he was thinking all negative change??

Jorski
02-24-2011, 10:25 AM
Libya is about 2% of global production. Interestingly, about the same as production from the Gulf.

While there is short term fear, whomever winds up running that country will have to pump oil at a high level of output in order to run the country and to be able to afford to appease the people.

This spike is overdone in the short/medium run...but, it is a demonstration of just how tight and delicate the balance is in terms of long run demand and supply.

aquaman
02-24-2011, 10:30 AM
No, you dare speak ill of the liberal's messiah? Looks like he is not content with just destroying America. He wants to bring down the whole world and let the radical islamists take over. Save the United States! Save the world! Impeach that deamon before he destroys the world.

Check out PLAVE's post. That is the Liberal goal, to make the US like the rest of the world.
Washington thinks it is their job to spread YOUR $$$ around to everyone else. :confused:

NatesGr8
02-24-2011, 10:34 AM
Whatever it is i'll pay it!!! I don't go on vacations in the summer so the money saved goes to boating...

GT500 MC
02-24-2011, 11:26 AM
In the grand scheme of things, a $1-$1.50/gallon increase in gas isn't going to stop the vacation(s) for most of the TT'ers. As jksi said above, we'll just find ways to save a few bucks here and there, and probably wear out our starters in the process. We'll spend the money one way or the other. The big concern is if beer goes up by $1-$1.50 a six-pack, or $5-$6/case. You start adding that up----way more of an impact on my pocketbook than gas concerns....

rjracin240
02-24-2011, 12:07 PM
Realize the stats, lag behind but I am really not getting the 'Supply' connection. Libya doesn't even make honorable mention on the D.O.E. import report. Could it have more to do with unreasonable market jitters? http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petro... "Canada remained the largest exporter of total petroleum in November, exporting 2,510 thousand barrels per day to the United States, which is an increase from last month (2,345 thousand barrels per day). The second largest exporter of total petroleum was Mexico with 1,363 thousand barrels per day."

aquaman
02-24-2011, 12:18 PM
Realize the stats, lag behind but I am really not getting the 'Supply' connection. Libya doesn't even make honorable mention on the D.O.E. import report. Could it have more to do with unreasonable market jitters? http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petro... "Canada remained the largest exporter of total petroleum in November, exporting 2,510 thousand barrels per day to the United States, which is an increase from last month (2,345 thousand barrels per day). The second largest exporter of total petroleum was Mexico with 1,363 thousand barrels per day."

correct...it is not the % supplied by Libya....price increase is based on the fear of Bigger suppliers following Libya. All the oil producing countries are in play right now. The market hates uncertainty. :confused::confused:

davidstan
02-24-2011, 12:30 PM
I burn 45 gal per month during season which is 5 months so $1 more per gallon is 45.00 more per month x 5 = 180.00 approx. There are a lot worse things that could happen.;)

Skipper
02-24-2011, 12:55 PM
If those self-destructive islamic fanatics take control of the oil producing companies they will bankrupt themselves. They are incapable of operating a functional government. But don't worry Hussain Obama will be quick to apologize to the arab nations and explain that it was all our fault, but not his fault. That way when our country collapses and the millions of islamic fanatics run amuck they won't cut off his head.

Lars
02-24-2011, 01:10 PM
Gas has already gone up 40 cents around here in the past week..

The thing that really drives me nuts is this is all driven by big wigs in suits on wall street; it has nothing to do with what it costs to provide the gas.

gid
02-24-2011, 02:45 PM
We get the majority of our oil from Canada, then the Middle East. The fear in the Middle East is pushing oil futures higher = sucks for the end uses as we all are. My MC isnt bad on gas (only holds about 12 gals) it is the jet ski that kills me; I can use a tank in a few hours ($50 to fill it up last year)
I suspect I will be rafted up on the Cumberland.

Dball
02-24-2011, 02:54 PM
Drill Baby Drill!!!!

Jorski
02-24-2011, 04:59 PM
It's not that Libya contributes a huge amount to the total oil supply (by the way, neither does the Gulf for the "drill baby drill" crowd); it's important to understand that demand and supply are in a very tight balance, around 84/85 million barrels per day.

Further, most of us, don't have a great deal of choice in our consumption patterns in the short term, so demand is highly inelastic, or price insensitive...at least in the short term.

So, if demand stays constant, and supply drops even a little, prices rise considerably. Further, there are a lot of participants in the market that must buy in advance and they get worried when there is political unrest, and consequently pushes futures markets higher.

Some will surely chime in and blame speculators; but that really is short term effect that is negligible in the long term.

BTW...since oil is a global product (ie it can be shipped anywhere) it dosn't matter who sells to who, at least as far as price is concerned.

Footin
02-24-2011, 05:05 PM
My two predictions:

1. Gadhafi will be a dead man before the end of the weekend, killed by his own people.

2. Gas will spike at 3.50 a gallon then decline slowly to under 2 dollars a gallon by the end of 2011.

History repeats itself, we have seen this many times before.

aquaman
02-24-2011, 05:09 PM
Mastercrafts and America run on oil. Dependancy on foreign oil is back UP which is really foolish given petroleum products are integral to our economy, NOT just gasoline.

Besides, really important stuff is made of petroleum by-products......like fiberglass boats + water-skis. : )

Rockman
02-24-2011, 05:44 PM
87 octane at the local BP jumped up to $3.55 per gallon this afternoon from $3.25 this am. :eek3:

TayMC197
02-24-2011, 06:06 PM
Diesel is +/- 2 cents of $3.60 here... its bs... Not much we can do. I say we have all the truckers in the US strike at the same time.... :D

bbymgr
02-24-2011, 08:52 PM
.......and here we go!!!!!!

:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

willyt
02-24-2011, 08:56 PM
Mmmk feel the love :love:

Skipper
02-25-2011, 11:01 AM
Nuts! There goes my post count for everything I had on this thread.

aaron.
02-25-2011, 11:18 AM
It's not going to stop me from playing though. I'd rather skip eating out a few times than skimp on boat/lake time.


I agree. :D

gatorguy
02-25-2011, 12:10 PM
I have always run premium in my boats. Am I just wasting my money? I think my 97 ps205 calls for 87 octane. I know the scientists say that using higher octane than required is a waste, but it's just something stuck in my mind. I can't help it.

j.mccreight@hotmail.com
02-25-2011, 01:05 PM
Fuel prices are up 30 cents in 2 days here in north houston

KnoxX2
02-25-2011, 01:10 PM
I have always run premium in my boats. Am I just wasting my money? I think my 97 ps205 calls for 87 octane. I know the scientists say that using higher octane than required is a waste, but it's just something stuck in my mind. I can't help it.

Ok tell you what you just send me all that extra money each month if it makes you feel better.:D:D

aaron.
02-25-2011, 01:44 PM
I have always run premium in my boats. Am I just wasting my money? I think my 97 ps205 calls for 87 octane. I know the scientists say that using higher octane than required is a waste, but it's just something stuck in my mind. I can't help it.

idk, but i definitely won't be running any ethanol through my baby. If that means buying premium, so be it.

Dball
02-25-2011, 02:24 PM
[QUOTE=Jorski;734740]It's not that Libya contributes a huge amount to the total oil supply (by the way, neither does the Gulf for the "drill baby drill" crowd); it's important to understand that demand and supply are in a very tight balance, around 84/85 million barrels per day.

Ya lets keep buying everyone elses oil when we have our own. And create jobs for that matter.
That makes cents.

Sodar
02-25-2011, 05:11 PM
Well. Well. Well.

Maristar and Jorski at it again.

Keep it clean. This is your warning.

Mod1

Scott
02-25-2011, 05:27 PM
You better not, aaron!!!! always premium for the CADI!!!

Poulin
02-25-2011, 05:38 PM
Getting a little crazy in Michigan!

DooSPX
02-25-2011, 05:43 PM
Obama did tell everyone in all his speeches when he was running for President, that his plan was to bankrupt the country. I still have no idea why anyone would vote for someone with that kind of plan?? I guess all those new social programs(that somehow wouldn't cost any tax money), sounded really good to all the poor people?? If you were a hard working, logical thinking person. You would have to have A LOT of hate for Bush to go vote in this clown. :confused:

AMEN!!!!!!!!!

DooSPX
02-25-2011, 05:44 PM
No, you dare speak ill of the liberal's messiah? Looks like he is not content with just destroying America. He wants to bring down the whole world and let the radical islamists take over. Save the United States! Save the world! Impeach that deamon before he destroys the world.

AMEN X2!!!!!!!!!!!!

2RLAKE
02-25-2011, 06:01 PM
Amen again ... 110% agree ... how people did vote for him and still support him is beyond me ... i honestly cannot believe how blind Americans are. I work for a large global company and have colleagues around the world ... its incredible how some of them speak of our President, as he is the messiah ... but then most of those comments come from European socialists!

Age Fighter
02-25-2011, 06:15 PM
Gas prices are just one of many issues where being a boater and being a liberal at the same time simply makes no sense. Liberals have policies disruptive to disposable income, efficient energy production, carbon burning vessels on land and in the water, freedom in general, and on and on.

It's not a crime to be both liberal and a boater -- just contradictory. (unless you own a small sail boat I guess) :D

mccobmd
02-25-2011, 06:17 PM
Gas prices are just one of many issues where being a boater and being a liberal at the same time simply makes no sense. Liberals have policies disruptive to disposable income, efficient energy production, carbon burning vessels on land and in the water, freedom in general, and on and on.

It's not a crime to be both liberal and a boater -- just contradictory. (unless you own a small sail boat I guess) :D

I'm sure I resemble some if not all of that:dance:

2RLAKE
02-25-2011, 06:59 PM
come to the conservative side .... come ... come .... deep inside every liberal is a conservative waiting to come out and be a better person!

CantRepeat
02-25-2011, 07:12 PM
Getting a little crazy in Michigan!

But hey, a touchfree car wash makes it well worth a trip to the pump!

TX.X-30 fan
02-25-2011, 07:26 PM
I'm sure I resemble some if not all of that:dance:




It was not meant as a complement, someday you may see why what Europe and Canada have tried and failed at is the wrong direction. Nothing Personal

TX.X-30 fan
02-25-2011, 07:32 PM
87 octane at the local BP jumped up to $3.55 per gallon this afternoon from $3.25 this am. :eek3:



Call Rahm, his old boss said he had no issue with 4+ dollar gas he just wished it hadn't gotten there so quick.. It was right there to see if anyone was paying attention, he the anointed one wants our gas way up to stifle and destroy the economy.

ahhudgins
02-25-2011, 07:36 PM
Right now there is unrest in the Middle East, but there has been no change in the oil export (as yet). Gas/oil prices are on the rise strictly due to the “fear of what COULD happen to oil production….”. Stocks, futures, or whatever, are going crazy based on the fear of something happening. Based on that, no one can convince me that actually building a few more oil wells of our own would not result in lower oil prices. Plus it would also result in more American jobs. “Experts” will say that a few more oil wells will only put a small dent in oil production, therefore will not lower costs. But on the other hand, oil prices sky rocket based solely on fear. It’s all crazy. We are supposed to be the most powerful nation in the world, but we are held hostage by smaller oil producing countries being run by radicals. Our government is being run by idiots.

That being said, I will do what others have said. I will make small cuts in my budget in order to pay the increase in gas for the boat (no matter how high it gets). I have a MC therefore I will ski!

aquaman
02-25-2011, 09:10 PM
Amen again ... 110% agree ... how people did vote for him and still support him is beyond me ... i honestly cannot believe how blind Americans are. I work for a large global company and have colleagues around the world ... its incredible how some of them speak of our President, as he is the messiah ... but then most of those comments come from European socialists!

fyi.....the people that support him in the US are American Socialists. plain + simple.

he is not a leader but a destroyer of American Freedoms.

Viktimize
02-25-2011, 09:26 PM
"Canada remained the largest exporter of total petroleum in November, exporting 2,510 thousand barrels per day to the United States, which is an increase from last month (2,345 thousand barrels per day). "

Are you sure that isn't 234,500 barrels?? I make about 400,000 barrels of oil a day at my job, and I am pretty sure the majority of it is exported. I remember reading a stat somewhere that the US imports about 25% of their oil from Canada. Which is a substantial amount. And somehow Obama is still determined to stop importing our so called "Dirty Oil" :rolleyes: If that ever happened, you guys would have gas shortages like the 70's.

FamilyX2
02-25-2011, 10:55 PM
Are you sure that isn't 234,500 barrels?? I make about 400,000 barrels of oil a day at my job, and I am pretty sure the majority of it is exported. I remember reading a stat somewhere that the US imports about 25% of their oil from Canada. Which is a substantial amount. And somehow Obama is still determined to stop importing our so called "Dirty Oil" :rolleyes: If that ever happened, you guys would have gas shortages like the 70's.

According to the US EIA, Canada actually exported 2,713 thousand barrels a day of total petroleum to the US in December.

2,713 thousand barrels a day is 2.715 million barrels a day.

mccobmd
02-25-2011, 11:49 PM
It was not meant as a complement, someday you may see why what Europe and Canada have tried and failed at is the wrong direction. Nothing Personal

I was really meaning the contradictory part. If you look in all our lives and views we have contradictions. Boaters above all people should all want to minimize the effects of carbon emissions, increases affect water (lakes) as much as anything. Most of us want everyone to love boating but hate tubing. I think socialism is absolutely wrong but I think everyone being responsible for our society is critical ( and ignored). I am about a far from being liberal as you'll find but in my experience it is best to consider each thought or idea on it's merit, no based on who supports or opposes it.

aaron.
02-26-2011, 08:29 AM
this whole thread doesn't make sense anymore... lol

Age Fighter
02-26-2011, 09:42 AM
come to the conservative side .... come ... come .... deep inside every liberal is a conservative waiting to come out and be a better person!

Also known as growing up! ;)

mccobmd
02-26-2011, 10:07 AM
this whole thread doesn't make sense anymore... lol

That is the most accurate thing that will be said here in awhile.

JimN
02-26-2011, 10:18 AM
Call Rahm, his old boss said he had no issue with 4+ dollar gas he just wished it hadn't gotten there so quick.. It was right there to see if anyone was paying attention, he the anointed one wants our gas way up to stifle and destroy the economy.

Rahm had $12M in his campaign chest and the other 5 candidates had nowhere near that amount. Just another election bought and paid for by others, eh?

I'm not sure Obama knows food and everything else moves into, out of, through and across the US using some kind of oil-based fuel. Add using corn to make ethanol and food prices will completely run away, leaving most of the country in the dust. Has anyone looked at the price of potato chips or Fritos? I think the price is up at least 50% in the last year.

Skipper
02-26-2011, 12:46 PM
He is the anti-Christ! His election was a plot by the forces of evil to end the world as we know it. Okay, maybe I am exaggerating a little...but he is a corrupt, liberal, with known associations with muslim extremists and home-grown terrorists. I am baffled that the criminal welfare sucking pond scum were able to vote him into office.

The United States is always going to need fuel. Just because his socialist American hating role models in Europe are happy to pay $10 a gallon for fuel does not mean that Americans share his sentiment.

Aside from a bunch of upset boaters and motorists, insane fuel prices will cripple our country. I say that we pour into the streets and demand that he be hanged for treason! Who's coming with we?

JimN
02-26-2011, 12:56 PM
He is the anti-Christ! His election was a plot by the forces of evil to end the world as we know it. Okay, maybe I am exaggerating a little...but he is a corrupt, liberal, with known associations with muslim extremists and home-grown terrorists. I am baffled that the criminal welfare sucking pond scum were able to vote him into office.

The United States is always going to need fuel. Just because his socialist American hating role models in Europe are happy to pay $10 a gallon for fuel does not mean that Americans share his sentiment.

Aside from a bunch of upset boaters and motorists, insane fuel prices will cripple our country. I say that we pour into the streets and demand that he be hanged for treason! Who's coming with we?

"C'mon! We didn't give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor, did we?"

We rationed everything that was essential for the war effort during WWII but that was at a time when Americans had a national identity and national goals. Nobody called themselves xxxxxx-American, with the possible exception of some who were just off the boat. My grandfather came here from Europe and was proud to call himself "American". People are too selfish to sacrifice this way, now. Selfish and willing to cater to those who desire the downfall of the US, in all parts of the world.

Skipper
02-26-2011, 01:02 PM
Here is a tip. Stop buying gas, buy ammo. It will come in handy in the near future.

CantRepeat
02-26-2011, 01:09 PM
"C'mon! We didn't give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor, did we?"

We rationed everything that was essential for the war effort during WWII but that was at a time when Americans had a national identity and national goals. Nobody called themselves xxxxxx-American, with the possible exception of some who were just off the boat. My grandfather came here from Europe and was proud to call himself "American". People are too selfish to sacrifice this way, now. Selfish and willing to cater to those who desire the downfall of the US, in all parts of the world.

Sadly, we aren't the same country we were back then and I blame that on the American public and people that went to Columbia University! :(

JimN
02-26-2011, 02:59 PM
Here is a tip. Stop buying gas, buy ammo. It will come in handy in the near future.

Yeah, I guess if I fire behind me, the "for every action, there's an equal and opposite reaction" law of physics to propel my truck wherever I need to go.

aquaman
02-26-2011, 03:42 PM
Borders, Language, Culture............ is the solution to restore American values. :)

AZDave
02-26-2011, 04:32 PM
A lot of good dialogue to this thread. We are looking at another $4-5 a gallon summer. The last one just about did us in economy wise. And where do most of us unecessarily waste the most gas? Besides boating and vacations, car racing ect. I think the answer is, in traffic. Rush hour. And I wish someone, somewhere would invent some electronic alternative for the daily commute that did not cost 40 g's. We could then have all the oil we wanted for shipping, trucking recreation. And if we did that right, and made a huge effort to rely on foriegn sources for oil, someday, America would have the oil. Now wouldn't that be a legacy for our young people! Wishful thinking, I know. Trying to feel better about what's coming...again.

JimN
02-26-2011, 05:42 PM
A lot of good dialogue to this thread. We are looking at another $4-5 a gallon summer. The last one just about did us in economy wise. And where do most of us unecessarily waste the most gas? Besides boating and vacations, car racing ect. I think the answer is, in traffic. Rush hour. And I wish someone, somewhere would invent some electronic alternative for the daily commute that did not cost 40 g's. We could then have all the oil we wanted for shipping, trucking recreation. And if we did that right, and made a huge effort to rely on foriegn sources for oil, someday, America would have the oil. Now wouldn't that be a legacy for our young people! Wishful thinking, I know. Trying to feel better about what's coming...again.

Being able to drill in our own waters wouldn't hurt, either. As long as whoever runs the platforms will maintain safety and equipment without dumping oil into the oceans or on the ground, we'd be able to cut down on imports.

Viktimize
02-26-2011, 06:20 PM
According to the US EIA, Canada actually exported 2,713 thousand barrels a day of total petroleum to the US in December.

2,713 thousand barrels a day is 2.715 million barrels a day.

lol, ya my bad. Didn't notice the word thousand was tacked on at the end. I thought it looked pretty low.

Age Fighter
02-26-2011, 07:09 PM
Being able to drill in our own waters wouldn't hurt, either. As long as whoever runs the platforms will maintain safety and equipment without dumping oil into the oceans or on the ground, we'd be able to cut down on imports.

We can, as long as the enviro's will let us drill in reasonable areas. Right now, they won't. Nor will they allow us to maximize our coal, or build nuclear -- and on and on it goes. The only energy the greenies like is what it takes to power their private jets all over the world where they hold conferences to tell US not to use energy.

CantRepeat
02-26-2011, 07:28 PM
The discourse in this thread as many on this site that have real world impact are pretty much a waste. We are here to talk boats, babes, and beers.

GT500 MC
02-26-2011, 08:34 PM
Amen CantRepeat!! And your priorities are in perfect sequence.

Skipper
02-26-2011, 09:34 PM
Boats run on gas...airborne.

JimN
02-26-2011, 09:43 PM
The only energy the greenies like is what it takes to power their private jets all over the world where they hold conferences to tell US not to use energy.

Exactly. Like Pelosi, demanding a huge jet instead of the much more efficient one normally available to the Speaker of the House.

Mgboyd25
02-26-2011, 09:49 PM
[QUOTE=CantRepeat;735171]The discourse in this thread as many on this site that have real world impact are pretty much a waste. We are here to talk boats, babes, and beers.
Haha when I started the thread in no way I thought it would turn into a heated political debate.

JimN
02-26-2011, 10:10 PM
[QUOTE=CantRepeat;735171]The discourse in this thread as many on this site that have real world impact are pretty much a waste. We are here to talk boats, babes, and beers.
Haha when I started the thread in no way I thought it would turn into a heated political debate.

This thread is about gas prices- how could it NOT turn political?

TX.X-30 fan
02-27-2011, 09:49 AM
We can, as long as the enviro's will let us drill in reasonable areas. Right now, they won't. Nor will they allow us to maximize our coal, or build nuclear -- and on and on it goes. The only energy the greenies like is what it takes to power their private jets all over the world where they hold conferences to tell US not to use energy.




Hey once wave-action power generation is online we are set, so on cloudy windless days he!! we got waves going for us..........:D

carracer
02-27-2011, 11:26 AM
It is not about supply or production it is about traders having a good excuse to jack prices and make millions of dollars for their accounts. If the public will pay $5.00 a gallon that is what the price will be when consumption drops so will prices.

JimN
02-27-2011, 12:09 PM
It is not about supply or production it is about traders having a good excuse to jack prices and make millions of dollars for their accounts. If the public will pay $5.00 a gallon that is what the price will be when consumption drops so will prices.

That's true but I have been reading that demand is down with steady supply, so this conflicts with normal market tendencies.

Viktimize
02-27-2011, 01:06 PM
That's true but I have been reading that demand is down with steady supply, so this conflicts with normal market tendencies.

That's because commodities is all based on speculative futures. Hell, even tech stocks are getting caught up in this crap. Apples shares fell 15$ the other day, all due to some Taiwan firm claiming there was a hold up in production on the Ipad2. But the thing is, Apple hasn't even announced there is an Ipad2 in production, let alone a release date. Their stock was devalued based on purely speculative information.

Stock price is nothing more than investors predictions of where the market is going.

JimN
02-27-2011, 01:09 PM
That's because commodities is all based on speculative futures. Hell, even tech stocks are getting caught up in this crap. Apples shares fell 15$ the other day, all due to some Taiwan firm claiming there was a hold up in production on the Ipad2. But the thing is, Apple hasn't even announced there is an Ipad2 in production, let alone a release date. Their stock was devalued based on purely speculative information.

Stock price is nothing more than investors predictions of where the market is going.

I have heard the iPad2 is coming out next month. Yeah- speculators are greeeaaaaatttt! Unless, of course, you want stable prices based on normal factors.

As the line from Citizen Kane goes, "Making money is easy, if all you want is to make money".

Skipper
02-27-2011, 02:27 PM
So is anybody coming with me? You know, big demonstrations in the streets of every city and town in America? Impeach Obama! Fire the politicians! Attack Iran and North Korea!

Age Fighter
02-27-2011, 04:23 PM
The discourse in this thread as many on this site that have real world impact are pretty much a waste. We are here to talk boats, babes, and beers.

The problem with bigger and bigger government is that it effects boats, babes, beers -- and anything else that you used to be able to talk about without getting political.

Big government is the opposite of big liberty. Think about it.

atlfootr
03-13-2011, 12:23 PM
About to head out for fuel, called Marina guy tells me it's now up to $4.25 a gallon ...
Last time I bought some from the place, it was $3.85

That's $21.25 for a 5 gallon jug! X's 2 = 40.50 for 10 gals.
I'm going to have to STOP taking the beer and start charging for fuel from my riders instead ...

TX.X-30 fan
03-13-2011, 01:06 PM
The problem with bigger and bigger government is that it effects boats, babes, beers -- and anything else that you used to be able to talk about without getting political.

Big government is the opposite of big liberty. Think about it.





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TOO-TALL
04-06-2011, 08:06 PM
3.95 here already........Are you F'ing kidding me???

mallees
04-07-2011, 08:08 PM
You guys have it good, $5.68/ US gallon is what I am paying at the moment in Australia.:mad:

JohnE
04-07-2011, 08:27 PM
You guys have it good, $5.68/ US gallon is what I am paying at the moment in Australia.:mad:

How does everything else compare? Whats a pack of cigarettes cost? A 6 pack of beer? New MC? Average income? Average house? Car? I don't like speaking in absolutes. If I made what my friends in Cali made I'd be rich, If I made what my friends in other parts made I'd be bankrupt. Everything is relative, but I still feel for you with the cost of fuel where it is.

mallees
04-08-2011, 02:31 AM
Average income is around $65k I think, a new X1 is about $85-90k with a few extras, 2 dozen cans of beer is $40. 2 doz Jim Beam cans $75, House prices really vary a lot depending on area, ave is about $650k i guess.

MattsCraft
04-08-2011, 08:26 AM
OK, go ahead and let the jeers begin… I see this post every time gas prices go up and I really don’t get it. Do I like paying more this year than last no, but really? Complaining about gas prices makes about as much sense as complaining about the weather. It is what it is and no amount of gripping will change it. Come on now, you can afford an exotic toy (50K to 100K) and in many cases a dedicated vehicle to tow it around, that most of us only use 4 months or so a year and you are going to complain about $20 more an outing to enjoy it???

The only difference between Men and Boys is the cost of their toys!!!:D

UrbantuxTN
04-08-2011, 08:40 AM
OK, go ahead and let the jeers begin… I see this post every time gas prices go up and I really don’t get it. Do I like paying more this year than last no, but really? Complaining about gas prices makes about as much sense as complaining about the weather. It is what it is and no amount of gripping will change it. Come on now, you can afford an exotic toy (50K to 100K) and in many cases a dedicated vehicle to tow it around, that most of us only use 4 months or so a year and you are going to complain about $20 more an outing to enjoy it???

The only difference between Men and Boys is the cost of their toys!!!:D

AGREED! If I was concerned about the cost of gas I would have bought a paddle boat instead of a Mastercraft. It is just part of it, just be glad you aren't trying to fill a diesel yacht.

DemolitionMan
04-08-2011, 08:51 AM
My company's fuel bill has gone from 24k a month to 32k a month in 3 months time.

j.mccreight@hotmail.com
04-08-2011, 09:03 AM
Average income is around $65k I think, a new X1 is about $85-90k with a few extras, 2 dozen cans of beer is $40. 2 doz Jim Beam cans $75, House prices really vary a lot depending on area, ave is about $650k i guess.

The median income here in US is 42,000 and the median for a house is 165,000, don't know where you got those figures but they are way off.

Willski
04-08-2011, 09:12 AM
My company's fuel bill has gone from 24k a month to 32k a month in 3 months time.

Demo man, you I feel for you. Businesses are the ones that are probably going to suffer the most, especially ones tied to transportation. To most people, their personal boat fuel bill is not a big part of the overall budget.

aaron.
04-08-2011, 01:43 PM
My company's fuel bill has gone from 24k a month to 32k a month in 3 months time.

Demo man, you I feel for you. Businesses are the ones that are probably going to suffer the most, especially ones tied to transportation. To most people, their personal boat fuel bill is not a big part of the overall budget.


Disagree, the consumer is the one who suffers most.

It all gets passed onto the consumer. There's only so much a company can shoulder, before he/she has to push the cost on down the line. People whine and complain about filling up their cars/boats, but don't realize that every consumer good reflects fuel price.

the world moves by truck...so everyone is tied to transportation

edit: family runs a 65 tractor long-haul fleet.

steved1323
04-08-2011, 04:48 PM
Our gas at the Marina is $3.99 a gallon and during the last big oil crisis it was about $4.95 a gallon and the facts are we still sold gas because most people did not go on extended vacations to distant locations they stayed at home and camped, played, and boated on local lake because the overall cost was far less than trying to go on vacation out of state!! (We do not make more than .15 cents per gallon on our gas because we get taxed for the "Marine Tax" which brings our gas prices to the price you pay on the street for midgrade. We also carry non ethonal fuel.
That doesnt even cover the cost of the labor I pay to pump the gas for the customer, we have full service. But I make my money on the sales in the store.)

WAProstar
04-09-2011, 12:27 AM
The median income here in US is 42,000 and the median for a house is 165,000, don't know where you got those figures but they are way off.

I believe he is referring to Australian figures.

atlfootr
05-01-2011, 06:03 PM
Jus' emailed to me an hour ago ... For What It's Worth!


TIPS ON PUMPING GAS


I don't know what you guys are paying for gasoline.... but here in California we are paying up to $3.75 to $4.10 per gallon. My line of work is in petroleum for about 31 years now, so here are some tricks to get more of your money's worth for every gallon:

Here at the Kinder Morgan Pipeline where I work in San Jose, CA we deliver about 4 million gallons in a 24-hour period thru the pipeline.. One day is diesel the next day is jet fuel, and gasoline, regular and premium grades. We have 34-storage tanks here with a total capacity of 16,800,000 gallons.

Only buy or fill up your car or truck in the early morning when the ground temperature is still cold. Remember that all service stations have their storage tanks buried below ground. The colder the ground the more dense the gasoline, when it gets warmer gasoline expands, so buying in the afternoon or in the evening....your gallon is not exactly a gallon. In the petroleum business, the specific gravity and the temperature of the gasoline, diesel and jet fuel, ethanol and other petroleum products plays an important role.

A 1-degree rise in temperature is a big deal for this business. But the service stations do not have temperature compensation at the pumps.

When you're filling up do not squeeze the trigger of the nozzle to a fast mode If you look you will see that the trigger has three (3) stages: low, middle, and high. You should be pumping on low mode, thereby minimizing the vapors that are created while you are pumping. All hoses at the pump have a vapor return. If you are pumping on the fast rate, some of the liquid that goes to your tank becomes vapor. Those vapors are being sucked up and back into the underground storage tank so you're getting less worth for your money.

One of the most important tips is to fill up when your gas tank is HALF FULL. The reason for this is the more gas you have in your tank the less air occupying its empty space. Gasoline evaporates faster than you can imagine. Gasoline storage tanks have an internal floating roof. This roof serves as zero clearance between the gas and the atmosphere, so it minimizes the evaporation. Unlike service stations, here where I work, every truck that we load is temperature compensated so that every gallon is actually the exact amount.


Another reminder, if there is a gasoline truck pumping into the storage tanks when you stop to buy gas, DO NOT fill up; most likely the gasoline is being stirred up as the gas is being delivered, and you might pick up some of the dirt that normally settles on the bottom.

To have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of gas buyers. It's really simple to do.

I'm sending this note to about thirty people. If each of you send it to at least ten more (30 x 10 = 300)...and those 300 send it to at least ten more (300 x 10 = 3,000) and so on, by the time the message reaches the sixth generation of people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION consumers !!!!!!! If those three million get excited and pass this on to ten friends each, then 30 million people will have been contacted!

If It goes one level further, you guessed it..... THREE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE!!!

Miss Rita
05-01-2011, 07:50 PM
The last post is all bogus, theose are all urban legends. (Not blaming you, atlftr)

The temperature of the fuel in underground tanks is constant; buy gas whenever you want.

While gasoline does evaporate quickly, the difference in the amount that may evaporate over a five minute filling time v six minute filling time is nil.

There's no reason to fill your tank when it's half full. It's a closed system, there's no evaporation when the gas fill cap is on tight. In a boat, which is vented to the atmosphere, the evaporation loss will be the same whether the tank is full or empty.

It makes no difference if the gas station is being re-supplied while your filling your tank. The fuel you buy is fully filtered before it enters your tank.

And, if that message is sent to THREE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE, what is it supposed to accomplish?

The best way to save gas (and money) is to not waste it. I drive a 30 mpg car so I can save money to put gas into my 4 mpg boat.

MyCabinFever
05-01-2011, 08:25 PM
I thought this was a good fit for this thread:

This has been around but we need to keep it going so people will realize
Obama will not allow us to have more oil! **He wants to break America.....to
where it's citizens must depend on the Government to care for them!

Here's *Important and verifiable information :


About 6 months ago, the writer was watching a news program on oil and one of
the Forbes Bros. Was the guest. The host said to Forbes, "I am going to ask
you a direct question and I would like a direct answer; *how much oil does
the U.S. Have in the ground?" *Forbes did not miss a beat, he said, "more
than all the Middle East put together." *Please read below.


The U. S. Geological Service issued a report in April 2008 that only
scientists and oil men knew was coming, but man was it big. *It was a
revised report (hadn't been updated since 1995) on how much oil was in this
area of the western 2/3 of North Dakota, western South Dakota, and extreme
eastern Montana ..... Check THIS out:


The Bakken is the largest domestic oil discovery since Alaska 's Prudhoe Bay
, and has the potential to eliminate all American dependence on foreign oil.
The Energy Information Administration (EIA) estimates it at 503 billion
barrels. Even if just 10% of the oil is recoverable... At $107 a barrel,
we're looking at a resource base worth more than $5...3 trillion.



"When I first briefed legislators on this, you could practically see their
jaws hit the floor. They had no idea.." says Terry Johnson, the Montana
Legislature's financial analyst.


"This sizable find is now the highest-producing onshore oil field found in
the past 56 years," reportsThe Pittsburgh Post Gazette. *It's a formation
known as the Williston Basin , but is more commonly referred to as the
'Bakken' *It stretches from Northern Montana , through North Dakota and into
Canada . *For years, U. S. Oil exploration has been considered a dead end.
Even the 'Big Oil' companies gave up searching for major oil wells decades
ago. However, a recent technological breakthrough has opened up the Bakken's
massive reserves..... And we now have access of up to 500 billion barrels.
And because this is light, sweet oil, those billions of barrels will cost
Americans just $16 PER BARREL!


That's enough crude to fully fuel the American economy for 2041 years
straight. *And if THAT didn't throw you on the floor, then this next one
should - because it's from 2006!


U.. S. Oil Discovery- Largest Reserve in the World


Stansberry Report Online - 4/20/2006


Hidden 1,000 feet beneath the surface of the Rocky Mountains lies the
largest untapped oil reserve in the world. It is more than 2 TRILLION
barrels. *On August 8, 2005 President Bush mandated its extraction. In three
and a half years of high oil prices none has been extracted. With this
motherload of oil why are we still fighting over off-shore drilling?


They reported this stunning news: *We have more oil inside our borders, than
all the other proven reserves on earth.. Here are the official estimates:

- 8-times as much oil as Saudi Arabia


- 18-times as much oil as Iraq


- 21-times as much oil as Kuwait


- 22-times as much oil as Iran


- 500-times as much oil as Yemen


- and it's all right here in the Western United States .

HOW can this BE? HOW can we NOT BE extracting this? Because the
environmentalists and others have blocked all efforts to help America become
independent of foreign oil! Again, we are letting a small group of people
dictate our lives and our economy.....WHY?

James Bartis, lead researcher with the study says we've got more oil in this
very compact area than the entire Middle East -more than 2 TRILLION barrels
untapped. *That's more than all the proven oil reserves of crude oil in the
world today, reports The Denver Post.
Don 't think 'OPEC' will drop its price - even with this find? *Think again!
It's all about the competitive marketplace, - it has to. Think OPEC just
might be funding the environmentalists?

magnum
05-01-2011, 09:08 PM
I think that INFO needs to be posted on the Front page of every newspaper in this country , The people need to take this country back . All I can say is VOTE VOTE VOTE

Dino Don
05-01-2011, 09:26 PM
Do not know how many others have seen this info that was going around but it is very informative. It seems that back in the Nixon time he was the one who took us off the gold standard. That in and of itself apparently could make the dollar somewhat unstable on the world monetary market.

In response to that issue Kissenger was dispatched to make a deal with the Saudi's that basically said, we would only buy oil from them if they would in turn back us on the use of the dollar as the payment standard world wide for the buying and paying for oil. This would in turn provide a much more stable environment for the value of the dollar. Apparently this would provide a standard in place of gold. Maybe that is why some say "black gold?"

Cannot speak for the total truth of this but it does seem to make sense. The problem now is that there is a movement to replace the dollar as that standard and then I guess all bets are off as to the world market value of the dollar. Of course if the present administration continues on it current course we are screwed anyway!

Maybe someone can verify this???

willgeorge
05-02-2011, 12:10 AM
I live in North Dakota and work in the oil field, our state is currently pumping 10,000,000 barrels of oil every month and that number is rising fast, we have 175+ drilling rigs drilling new wells constantly! If we only had the capacity to refine this oil we wouldnt have to use foreign oil. 4-5 bucks a gallon sucks but it's still much cheaper than in other countries. Gotta pay to play and gas prices will have to get alot higher for me to not take out my mastercraft!

Or
05-02-2011, 02:04 AM
I paid more than 8.5 dollar a gallon now... about 6.5 gallon per hour - That's :noface:

FamilyX2
05-02-2011, 09:07 AM
Yes... The Bakken is a very active area and has actually helped the US increase oil production for the first time in decades, but... It will come nowhere near the level to eliminate "foreign oil".
The US is still importing over 8,000,000 bbls/day.

x-swagger
05-02-2011, 09:39 AM
This was my first experience with my X-45 at the pump... Don't care, so worth it!!!
66110

Jerseydave
05-02-2011, 10:02 AM
Unless we are searching for smoother water, the boat doesn't go anywhere unless someone is riding behind it! :D

I usually have 5 riders with me each time, all will donate $25 each for 2 pulls (was $20 last year) so I hope that will help cover most of my fuel.

The best positive result from higher fuel cost is if it keeps the "others" off the water this summer!

FourFourty
05-02-2011, 11:47 AM
They have known about those huge oil deposits for a long, long time. There is 1 reason why they are saving them for last.....and its a good reason.....

at $4.00 per gallon, it hurts a little, but it is far from unbearable. Europe still functions at 2x that price. It would be nice to dip in to our oil reserves to lower the price right now, but that wouldnt last long.....15-20yrs maybe. Basically, it is smarter for us to import most of our oil until it becomes too expensive to deal with. At that point, America would hope to hold 10x more oil than any other country. Think about what kind of position we would be in then.

Whichever country has oil left, when supply starts to get low, will be the winner....and they will win BIG. Something to think about.

TayMC197
05-02-2011, 02:13 PM
They have known about those huge oil deposits for a long, long time. There is 1 reason why they are saving them for last.....and its a good reason.....

at $4.00 per gallon, it hurts a little, but it is far from unbearable. Europe still functions at 2x that price. It would be nice to dip in to our oil reserves to lower the price right now, but that wouldnt last long.....15-20yrs maybe. Basically, it is smarter for us to import most of our oil until it becomes too expensive to deal with. At that point, America would hope to hold 10x more oil than any other country. Think about what kind of position we would be in then.

Whichever country has oil left, when supply starts to get low, will be the winner....and they will win BIG. Something to think about.

Lol by then China will own us!

FourFourty
05-02-2011, 02:50 PM
Lol by then China will own us!

Sadly, you are 100% correct. We are turning China into the next superpower simply because we all want to save a few cents per unit on everything we manufacture. We WILL pay for it.