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mramerman@gmail.com
01-25-2011, 11:50 PM
Ok. Enough of my threatening to do this. Time to actually start the X-14v thread.

Ours- 2010 x-14v

Photos attached.

2RLAKE
01-26-2011, 05:48 AM
beautiful boat ... i guess you wont let your X14 DD cousins threadjack this will you?

JohnE
01-26-2011, 09:26 AM
beautiful boat ... i guess you wont let your X14 DD cousins threadjack this will you?

No thread complete without a threadjack. I'm in. :D

Double D
01-26-2011, 10:26 AM
beautiful boat ... i guess you wont let your X14 DD cousins threadjack this will you?

I was thinking the same thing: X14 is X14 regardless of DD or VD....

scott023
01-26-2011, 10:59 AM
Ok. Enough of my threatening to do this. Time to actually start the X-14v thread.

Ours- 2010 x-14v

Photos attached.

VERY NICE. I know a lot of guys are all about all white, but red/black and white does it for me.

gatorguy
01-26-2011, 11:19 AM
Ok. Enough of my threatening to do this. Time to actually start the X-14v thread.

Ours- 2010 x-14v



Great looking boat! I really like the color scheme. Everytime I try and pick colors on the "build a boat" feature they never come out looking good. You did great! Now just make it a DD and it can't be beat.:D

Age Fighter
01-26-2011, 11:39 AM
beautiful boat ... i guess you wont let your X14 DD cousins threadjack this will you?

My thoughts exactly -- I love my X-14 DD -- but I must admit I am intrigued by the near cult like allegiance to the X-14v. So since this is an X-14v thread attempt, I would definitely like some more comments from 14v owners about their boats, performances, wakes, etc....why they love them so.

GT500 MC
01-26-2011, 11:52 AM
Here's mine...I like the new thread...I don't have a lot of ski experience so not a lot to compare to but the wake seemed incredible, v-drive or not. And the wakeboard wake seemed to be good enough for any of the "intermediate" boarders I'm with. What sold me though was the seating config. A lot of people don't seem to like the separated seating in the rear, but to me it was perfect. You can have two separate conversations going on and it doesn't seem like you're sitting in the "playpen" with everyone's legs on top of one another, as you do in the wraparound seating. I've got three young kids who don't always like to hang with each other, but we all have to be on the same boat. I guess it's all personal preference...

gts-20
01-26-2011, 01:58 PM
Here's mine...I like the new thread...I don't have a lot of ski experience so not a lot to compare to but the wake seemed incredible, v-drive or not. And the wakeboard wake seemed to be good enough for any of the "intermediate" boarders I'm with. What sold me though was the seating config. A lot of people don't seem to like the separated seating in the rear, but to me it was perfect. You can have two separate conversations going on and it doesn't seem like you're sitting in the "playpen" with everyone's legs on top of one another, as you do in the wraparound seating. I've got three young kids who don't always like to hang with each other, but we all have to be on the same boat. I guess it's all personal preference...

*thread jack!*
Sorry for the jack, but here is your boats DD cousin, my 214!

GT500 MC
01-26-2011, 02:06 PM
Nice rig gts-20...those pics are great angles...just looks bada**...

Double D
01-26-2011, 02:37 PM
*thread jack!*
Sorry for the jack, but here is your boats DD cousin, my 214!

"LIKE".....

blakehardesty
01-26-2011, 02:49 PM
The mini tower on that boat looks sweet. Do you hit your head alot?

CantRepeat
01-26-2011, 02:52 PM
I was thinking the same thing: X14 is X14 regardless of DD or VD....

Well no, they should all be in the Xseries thread you bunch of elitest! :D

Honestly, I'm glad you guys are posting photos of boats on the water, period. It's helping me get through the day. Winter can kiss my @..

scott023
01-26-2011, 02:56 PM
Well no, they should all be in the Xseries thread you bunch of elitest! :D

Honestly, I'm glad you guys are posting photos of boats on the water, period. It's helping me get through the day. Winter can kiss my @..

I agree, and it can kiss mine too.

mramerman@gmail.com
01-26-2011, 03:11 PM
beautiful boat ... i guess you wont let your X14 DD cousins threadjack this will you?


Absolutely. This should be the X-14 thread V or DD.

scott023
01-26-2011, 03:21 PM
Absolutely. This should be the X-14 thread V or DD.

Wait a minutes. Should would spark up an X-45 thread too?:D

gts-20
01-26-2011, 03:44 PM
The mini tower on that boat looks sweet. Do you hit your head alot?

Lol! Only once! Almost knocked me out. After that, I always remember to duck!

TayMC197
01-26-2011, 03:59 PM
I like the look of the mini tower much more than the standard... If the bimini was on it, I'd imagine you would notice it more.. lol

riverrat0797
01-26-2011, 04:11 PM
Murder-Ski-Boat, 2009 X-14D
-Black Everything with MCX

Red Stripe, 2011 X-14V
-Gun Metal Flake & Viper Red with 6.0 Ilmor

ShawnB
01-26-2011, 05:27 PM
Wow, gunmetal and red look great together.

gts-20
01-26-2011, 05:30 PM
I like the look of the mini tower much more than the standard... If the bimini was on it, I'd imagine you would notice it more.. lol

We will soon find out. I have a new bimini to put on it as soon as I pick it up from TSR.

CantRepeat
01-26-2011, 05:33 PM
Wait a minutes. Should would spark up an X-45 thread too?:D

Right after the X30 one I'll start tomorrow morning because I'll be freaking bord then too! :(

Jim@BAWS
01-26-2011, 06:02 PM
Here's a beaut

Jim@BAWS

JohnE
01-26-2011, 08:41 PM
New or used Jim?
Too lazy to look on your site

2RLAKE
01-26-2011, 09:13 PM
Jim ... i love that silver metallic flake

mramerman@gmail.com
01-26-2011, 09:42 PM
Here's a beaut

Jim@BAWS

Love this color scheme. Especially the flake. Wow, single axle trailer!

SkiDog
01-27-2011, 08:43 AM
Love this color scheme. Especially the flake. Wow, single axle trailer!

Too much weight?:confused:

JTNG
01-27-2011, 12:27 PM
Here is my baby. Love the boat!! Maybe Mastercraft will make that hull a picklefork for more capacity?? :D

scott023
01-27-2011, 12:55 PM
Here is my baby. Love the boat!! Maybe Mastercraft will make that hull a picklefork for more capacity?? :D

Holy shnikes. That bad boy is loaded DOWN.

GT500 MC
01-27-2011, 01:04 PM
Here is my baby. Love the boat!! Maybe Mastercraft will make that hull a picklefork for more capacity?? :D

Nice looking boat...have to respectfully disagree on the picklefork option--like the traditional bow. More capacity = more people in my boat = more money = worse ski-wake.

scott023
01-27-2011, 01:07 PM
Nice looking boat...have to respectfully disagree on the picklefork option--like the traditional bow. More capacity = more people in my boat = more money = worse ski-wake.

Remember, just because you have more capacity doesn't mean you need to invite more friends. The pickle fork is a great place for the young ones to chill out when the parents are riding...

GT500 MC
01-27-2011, 01:08 PM
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Too much weight?:confused:

I would think 3,800lbs is way too much lbs for single-axle. If you're not towing very far I guess it would work but my peace of mind would be non-existent.

scott023
01-27-2011, 01:09 PM
I would think 3,800lbs is way too much lbs for single-axle. If you're not towing very far I guess it would work but my peace of mind would be non-existent.

That makes two of us...

BIGBADBLUE
01-27-2011, 03:32 PM
Awesome thread .... I can not wait to post pictures of my new 14v. It s supposed to be delivered in March!

JTNG
01-27-2011, 03:54 PM
Hey BIGBADBLUE, your goin to love your 14V. Ski Yes! Wakeboard Yes! Surf Yes! My only Beeoch is that not as much storage or interior room as my X-2, but alot better ski wake. When my wife and I quit skiing (getting old and fat) and our son (11yrs) gets better at wakeboarding we will probably look at the X25.

mramerman@gmail.com
01-27-2011, 03:54 PM
Awesome thread .... I can not wait to post pictures of my new 14v. It s supposed to be delivered in March!

I agree. I am digging the great response. Need more pix of folks boats! I know there are more out there.

BIGBADBLUE
01-27-2011, 03:56 PM
I am going to factory and will take construction pics

mramerman@gmail.com
01-27-2011, 03:56 PM
Here is my baby. Love the boat!! Maybe Mastercraft will make that hull a picklefork for more capacity?? :D

Gorgeous boat--thanks for posting to the thread! I agree, love the boat.

No picklefork! ; ) There are plenty of MC options with the split bow. I love the boat because it is traditional design.

CantRepeat
01-27-2011, 04:06 PM
Maybe they'll start making a new model.

x14vp

Jim@BAWS
01-27-2011, 04:12 PM
Here's a beaut

Just loaded up VIDEO

Jim@BAWS

New or used Jim?
Too lazy to look on your site

And here it is...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IIun9fKGZM

ShawnB
01-27-2011, 04:29 PM
And here it is...

http://www.youtube.com/my_videos?feature=mhum

That's funny -- that link took me to MY videos. I think this is what you meant, Jim.

http://www.youtube.com/user/bayareawatersports#p/u/0/5IIun9fKGZM

mramerman@gmail.com
01-27-2011, 04:37 PM
Maybe they'll start making a new model.

x14vp

Very funny!

CantRepeat
01-27-2011, 05:34 PM
That's funny -- that link took me to MY videos. I think this is what you meant, Jim.

http://www.youtube.com/user/bayareawatersports#p/u/0/5IIun9fKGZM

Um, why is the guy hiding in the X35ss ??? Creepy!

GT500 MC
01-27-2011, 05:52 PM
Maybe they'll start making a new model.

x14vp

If there's enough talk about something like that, it wouldn't surprise me in the least the way that product line has expanded in the past few years.

ttu
01-27-2011, 06:04 PM
Um, why is the guy hiding in the X35ss ??? Creepy!

i watched that one after i read your comment. funny:D

Jim@BAWS
01-27-2011, 06:14 PM
Um, why is the guy hiding in the X35ss ??? Creepy!

Oh that's just Josh. Handed him up the camera. He usually sleeps in there

Here is one of him for ya...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6Tt9ajnSzg

See if ya can find him!!!

Jim@BAWS

JohnE
01-27-2011, 10:35 PM
Love this color scheme. Especially the flake. Wow, single axle trailer!

Only way to go on a smaller MC. I've blown about 12K miles on mine in the past few years at fairly high speed.

sully
01-27-2011, 11:41 PM
Another DD cousin..

mramerman@gmail.com
01-28-2011, 01:17 AM
Another DD cousin..

I am a big fan of the dark color hulls.

2RLAKE
01-28-2011, 03:25 AM
agree ... although i love the pickle fork, dont think it belongs on every boat

CantRepeat
01-28-2011, 07:52 AM
Oh that's just Josh. Handed him up the camera. He usually sleeps in there

Here is one of him for ya...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6Tt9ajnSzg

See if ya can find him!!!

Jim@BAWS

Is he the work clown.

WAProstar
01-28-2011, 03:20 PM
Question for the X14 owners regarding the ski pylon. Do both the X14 and X14V have a ski pylon in the center of the boat? Is it removable in both models? This is the same hull as the Prostar 214, right? So should have comparable ski wakes to the Prostar?

GT500 MC
01-28-2011, 03:41 PM
X14v has removable ski pylon in center of boat. There's also a removable mini-pylon at the rear of the boat. Don't know about the DD..

Age Fighter
01-28-2011, 04:04 PM
Question for the X14 owners regarding the ski pylon. Do both the X14 and X14V have a ski pylon in the center of the boat? Is it removable in both models? This is the same hull as the Prostar 214, right? So should have comparable ski wakes to the Prostar?

Hull is same as PS 214, yes.
Without tower, PS 214 might have slightly smaller wake due to weight, but of course there are other weight factors to consider.

Pylon in X14 is mounted at engine cover base like most all DD's. Frankly I don't know if it is removable or not in the DD.

mramerman@gmail.com
01-28-2011, 04:38 PM
Hull is same as PS 214, yes.
Without tower, PS 214 might have slightly smaller wake due to weight, but of course there are other weight factors to consider.

Pylon in X14 is mounted at engine cover base like most all DD's. Frankly I don't know if it is removable or not in the DD.

X14v has two pylons. The forward one is in the center of the boat in the same place as the DD. It is easily removable. The second is in the stern at the top edge of the transom. It too is removable. Great storage for both in the ample ski locker.

mramerman@gmail.com
01-28-2011, 04:40 PM
Question for the X14 owners regarding the ski pylon. Do both the X14 and X14V have a ski pylon in the center of the boat? Is it removable in both models? This is the same hull as the Prostar 214, right? So should have comparable ski wakes to the Prostar?

The wake shape is very similar and predictable to other Prostar boats... 197 etc.

Check out the certification video. Marcus skiing behind the x-14v


http://vimeo.com/12515119

Jabrew
01-29-2011, 09:55 AM
Made the switch from Maristar 245 to the x14 and love it. Miss the space but enjoy the sports car like handling.

JohnE
01-29-2011, 11:44 AM
14DD pylon is not removable. (Unless you were to unbolt it like any other DD)

burbey
01-30-2011, 05:00 PM
Canadian blue metal flake

Age Fighter
01-30-2011, 05:12 PM
that blue metal flake is MC's best color I think, at least for a couple of models -- X 14's included.
GORGEOUS

thatsmrmastercraft
01-30-2011, 06:46 PM
Great looking boat burbey..................love the blue flake! :cool:

mramerman@gmail.com
01-30-2011, 10:29 PM
Canadian blue metal flake

What is that cover? That is awesome.

The color is amazing too.

cdstukey
01-30-2011, 11:08 PM
What is that cover? That is awesome.

The color is amazing too.

Yeah Matt, that might help with your leak issue, that thing looks tight.
Nice thread btw.
Burbey's boat was the one I wanted, but I couldn't get the wife to buy in to the blue flake, silly wife

GT500 MC
01-30-2011, 11:41 PM
Love the blue flake...and the cover...

burbey - who did that cover for you? Here in CO? I'm looking to go to that snap cover this spring... Heard AutoWeave here in Denver does really good work.

mramerman@gmail.com
01-30-2011, 11:55 PM
Yeah Matt, that might help with your leak issue, that thing looks tight.
Nice thread btw.
Burbey's boat was the one I wanted, but I couldn't get the wife to buy in to the blue flake, silly wife

C:

I agree. That top is really tight. I also wonder if it will prevent any chaffing if you leave it on while trailering longer distances.

I also agree--that color is really awesome. One of the best combinations I have seen yet.

Best,

:M

burbey
01-31-2011, 02:49 PM
Love the blue flake...and the cover...

burbey - who did that cover for you? Here in CO? I'm looking to go to that snap cover this spring... Heard AutoWeave here in Denver does really good work.



Auto weave is who did my cover

scott023
01-31-2011, 03:05 PM
Canadian blue metal flake

That's a freaking beautiful boat.

TX.X-30 fan
01-31-2011, 04:22 PM
That's a freaking beautiful boat.



Not crazy about the colors name...............

scott023
01-31-2011, 04:25 PM
Not crazy about the colors name...............

Why have you got to be like that? I mean, especially coming from a guy that loves the color 'salmon'.

TX.X-30 fan
01-31-2011, 04:33 PM
I like the wild caught salmon but don't care for those farm-raised at all.

scott023
01-31-2011, 04:35 PM
I like the wild caught salmon but don't care for those farm-raised at all.

You like the salmon colored shirts too.

TX.X-30 fan
01-31-2011, 04:41 PM
You like the salmon colored shirts too.




Are you insinuating that I'm fashion-forward??

scott023
01-31-2011, 04:45 PM
Are you insinuating that I'm fashion-forward??

Perhaps. Could be insinuating something else too.....

TX.X-30 fan
01-31-2011, 04:46 PM
Perhaps. Could be insinuating something else too.....




That I've reinvented sexy??

scott023
01-31-2011, 04:48 PM
That I've reinvented sexy??

Not quite.

sand2snow22
01-31-2011, 04:49 PM
That I've reinvented sexy??

Metro?

Can't comment on the X14V, but the X-1 is nice at 32+MPH. X14V is 600 lbs heavier and a bit wider. Would love to ski behind it to compare.....

TX.X-30 fan
01-31-2011, 04:56 PM
Metro?

.....




Uber------

scott023
01-31-2011, 04:59 PM
Metro?

Can't comment on the X14V, but the X-1 is nice at 32+MPH. X14V is 600 lbs heavier and a bit wider. Would love to ski behind it to compare.....

Much closer. The fact that he gets mani's and peti's done is a bit over the top...

mckevin
02-06-2011, 01:16 PM
Its a cell phone pic, but you get the idea. I think she is beautiful!

milkmania
02-06-2011, 01:35 PM
Its a cell phone pic, but you get the idea. I think she is beautiful!

I'd have to agree with you

you probably drive the bass crazy.... biggest damned lure they ever saw!:steering::headbang:

milkmania
02-06-2011, 01:40 PM
Auto weave is who did my cover

looked at some of their archived photos....
quality work:twocents:

mramerman@gmail.com
02-06-2011, 02:42 PM
Its a cell phone pic, but you get the idea. I think she is beautiful!

That boat is gorgeous. Great shot!

gatorguy
02-06-2011, 04:08 PM
Its a cell phone pic, but you get the idea. I think she is beautiful!

who stole one of the cars off of the tilt-a-whirl. Do you have a line of carnies asking for a job every time you take it out.:D:D

It is a nice boat though.

mckevin
02-06-2011, 05:23 PM
The navy flake on the boat does not normally show that well, I just caught it with the sun in the right spot. Most of the time it is more muted, but catch it just right and she really shines.

milkmania
02-06-2011, 05:31 PM
who stole one of the cars off of the tilt-a-whirl. Do you have a line of carnies asking for a job every time you take it out.:D:D



http://www.lollibrary.com/gallery/d/1653-1/oh-snap.jpg

sully
02-07-2011, 12:29 AM
Its a cell phone pic, but you get the idea. I think she is beautiful!

Beautiful boat!!

davidstan
02-12-2011, 08:55 PM
Sorry if this has been addressed but I see a lot of Rtp motors in the 14v. Is the 310 hp sufficient.?

cdstukey
02-12-2011, 09:27 PM
Sorry if this has been addressed but I see a lot of Rtp motors in the 14v. Is the 310 hp sufficient.?

I think most of us have and would recommend the MCX (or its Ilmor equivilent). Not to say that the RTP isn't suffcient, but it also depends on what you are used to. I came from a 190 with the LTR (330hp). Even with the extra hp of the MCX, the boat doesn't have as much snap as my 190 did due to the extra size and weight of the x-14. Of course we are running at altitude also, which drops performance a bit.

mramerman@gmail.com
02-14-2011, 10:52 PM
I also have the MCX in my X-14v. Came from a PS190 with LT1. Clearly not as much snap out of the hull, but more than enough to pull my 220lbs out of the whole. Overall, I am very happy with this motor. Not sure I would run anything else.

Age Fighter
02-15-2011, 08:40 AM
Sorry if this has been addressed but I see a lot of Rtp motors in the 14v. Is the 310 hp sufficient.?

It's probably "sufficient" -- but I don't own an X-14 -- or any MC for that matter -- because it's sufficient. I have the X-14 with MCX and the PS tranny and that package is fabulous.

JohnE
02-15-2011, 09:09 AM
It's probably "sufficient" -- but I don't own an X-14 -- or any MC for that matter -- because it's sufficient. I have the X-14 with MCX and the PS tranny and that package is fabulous.

Same here and I wouldn't want anything less. Anyone know if the gear reduction is standard on the 14V?

sully
02-15-2011, 10:00 AM
The gear reduction should be same as any other v-drive I believe. 1:56:1

BIGBADBLUE
04-11-2011, 03:11 PM
Everything is finished and we are launching the boat this Friday. I will snap some photos.

A couple questions ...

What does everyone do for extra ballast for surfing. How are you loading it?

Did you install the snaps for carpet. I am thinking about not installing the snaps.

mramerman@gmail.com
04-11-2011, 08:30 PM
Everything is finished and we are launching the boat this Friday. I will snap some photos.

A couple questions ...

What does everyone do for extra ballast for surfing. How are you loading it?

Did you install the snaps for carpet. I am thinking about not installing the snaps.

Congratulations!!

For surfing, I put one external ballast in either the Port or Starboard locker at the stern (in my case it is the port locker). I put one additional ballast in the ski locker. I fill the KGB bag. It seems to work OK.

My boat came with the carpet snaps. I like them--keeps everything in place. I don't notice them visually and never causes any issues stepping on them etc.

Sullivan
04-11-2011, 10:43 PM
Thanks for posting all the pictures guys. There are some beutiful boats out there. Cool video too of the X14 pulling Marcus Brown and other Team members.

Cmpdman
04-12-2011, 10:11 AM
Ok. Enough of my threatening to do this. Time to actually start the X-14v thread.

Ours- 2010 x-14v

Photos attached.

Love the black/red colors. Great setup.

Cmpdman
04-12-2011, 10:15 AM
Jim ... i love that silver metallic flake

Bling!! Bling!! That's bright. Looks great. Thanks for posting the pics.

mramerman@gmail.com
04-12-2011, 03:05 PM
Love the black/red colors. Great setup.

Thanks man! Right back at ya'.

Skipa
04-16-2011, 04:38 PM
Picked our boat up last week. Hopefully the pictures came through...

2011 X-14V
5.7L Ilmor
Zero Off Wakeboard

gts-20
04-16-2011, 04:54 PM
I love the blue!!! Looks amazing! Congrats!

GT500 MC
04-16-2011, 06:40 PM
Nice-looking blue flakes, as well as the retro S&S paint scheme. Is the S&S just a factory option on the '11's?

Skipa
04-16-2011, 07:47 PM
Thanks. We really like the blue as well. In shade, it is a nice blue, and in the sun, it really pops. We are old school, and like the S&S. The 2008 - 2010 PS 14 and PS 14V had the S&S option, so we asked for the 2011 decals to not be applied at all, and instead bought the graphics from 2008. As an added bonus, we figure this is a one-of-a-kind, at least until others see it.

mramerman@gmail.com
04-17-2011, 11:39 PM
Now i know the color I wish I ordered. Wow!

eficalibrator
04-18-2011, 08:49 AM
Great looking boat. My ps214 is due to arrive later this week in the same color.

GT500 MC
04-19-2011, 11:19 AM
Everything is finished and we are launching the boat this Friday. I will snap some photos.

A couple questions ...

What does everyone do for extra ballast for surfing. How are you loading it?

Did you install the snaps for carpet. I am thinking about not installing the snaps.

Did you pick your boat up? Any pics yet?

BIGBADBLUE
04-19-2011, 04:42 PM
It is in the garage and we are launching this Saturday

teamcanada
05-01-2011, 01:59 PM
Ditto. Traded my 08 X14 DD on a V last year. The wake is just a nice at 15 off as the DD, plus more room and better wakeboard and surf wakes!

GT500 MC
05-03-2011, 10:51 AM
Do any of you x14v owners have a bow filler cushion? Factory-made or aftermarket? Approx. cost? I'm contemplating for upcoming summer.

Age Fighter
05-03-2011, 10:58 AM
Ditto. Traded my 08 X14 DD on a V last year. The wake is just a nice at 15 off as the DD, plus more room and better wakeboard and surf wakes!

REALLY? Wow. Does your V have the wake plate? And how about 23 off? What speeds? Thanks...

GT500 MC
05-03-2011, 05:33 PM
REALLY? Wow. Does your V have the wake plate? And how about 23 off? What speeds? Thanks...

I've got the wakeplate on mine and would agree with teamcanada at 15 off. Just seems to settle everything down a little bit. Have not skied at 23 off, sorry.

Age Fighter
05-03-2011, 09:36 PM
I've got the wakeplate on mine and would agree with teamcanada at 15 off. Just seems to settle everything down a little bit. Have not skied at 23 off, sorry.

That's amazing. Congrats to MC for designing such a killer cross over boat. I love my X-14DD and put a wake plate on this winter (just to see if it would help the wakes especially when the fuel tank is full and to flatten the wakeboard wakes for beginners).

I prefer to ski at 15 but seems like our best wake is 23 -- but I have not tried the DD with the plate yet.

teamcanada
05-05-2011, 12:05 AM
Yes it has the wakeplate but I am still learning how it helps. 32-34mph is great. I think 23 off would be better.

GT500 MC
05-20-2011, 12:18 PM
BigBadBlue - Still waiting on pics of your new x14v. Have you gotten that out on the water yet?

BIGBADBLUE
06-20-2011, 12:22 PM
No pics yet but I have 45 hours on it ... See my thread on a busted up prop ... Not good

Question - those that have adjustment plates ... What have you found to be best settings. For skiing at 32-34 I like 34 degrees as I think it makes the best wake. Does anyone use it for surfing?

mramerman@gmail.com
06-20-2011, 01:31 PM
No pics yet but I have 45 hours on it ... See my thread on a busted up prop ... Not good

Question - those that have adjustment plates ... What have you found to be best settings. For skiing at 32-34 I like 34 degrees as I think it makes the best wake. Does anyone use it for surfing?

Love to hear what others say... I have been skiing 15 off, 32 - 24 mph at 60'. I am going to try 34' next time out. I have definitely not found optimal angle. I can say for certain, it makes a huge difference. I know first crossing whether the wake plate is down or not.

GT500 MC
08-10-2011, 04:27 PM
Was wondering what other x14v owners were running for a prop (size, etc.)? What elevation you run at? And for what purposes (boarding, skiing, bf, etc.)?

mramerman@gmail.com
12-29-2011, 11:10 PM
Happy New Year to all of my fellow PS 214, X14 and X14v enthusiasts and owners! Hope your New Year is complete with many glass-filled days and perfect wakes (of whatever shape).

Had to include a shot from our last trip to Banks Lake---dreaming about our return this coming June.

Sullivan
12-30-2011, 12:21 AM
:headbang:Happy New Year to all of my fellow PS 214, X14 and X14v enthusiasts and owners! Hope your New Year is complete with many glass-filled days and perfect wakes (of whatever shape).

Had to include a shot from our last trip to Banks Lake---dreaming about our return this coming June.

JBrew
01-27-2012, 11:24 AM
Anyone ever footed behind the X14v? How does it compare to the X9 (PS 209)?

corey
01-27-2012, 12:51 PM
I haven't pulled any footers with the 14V but I have pulled A LOT with the 14 DD. The DD foots much better than a 209 and it's better than a 197 too (according to footers that are good and that I trust) Dan that used to work for us was a big time footer and won a barefoot race with a 6.0 powered 14 DD. Because the two boats are built on the same running surface I would think they would be pretty similar, the ski wakes are at least.

GT500 MC
09-19-2012, 05:48 PM
Bump....what's the size of fuel tank in a 2010 x14v? Is it 35 or 45 gallons?

mramerman@gmail.com
09-19-2012, 05:51 PM
35 Gallons

jason95gt
09-19-2012, 07:58 PM
We have pulled several endurance footers and a world champion wake crosser. The boat is fine for just about everything footing wise except wake cross. Not sure how it compared to the 209 but to a DXII it isn't as good.

rtw_travel
09-19-2012, 11:03 PM
....but to a DXII it isn't as good.

sorry - noob here. What's a DXII?

cdstukey
09-19-2012, 11:42 PM
sorry - noob here. What's a DXII?

Sanger barefoot boat
http://www.sangerboats.com/sanger-boats-DXII.html

Tusker
05-15-2013, 03:16 PM
I am new to the X14V thread. I am looking to buy a used 2012 x14V and have some questions:
-I am new to surfing but not skiing. Will it be a great surf boat with extra ballast? I have young kids who will want to surf and wakeboard
-is it normal to have a little water in the bottom of the boat: ie rain water that the sump pumps just can't bail out or should it always be bone dry?
-any more advice on what I should be looking for when buying a used x14V would be helpful? appreciate the insight

mramerman@gmail.com
05-15-2013, 03:45 PM
I am new to the X14V thread. I am looking to buy a used 2012 x14V and have some questions:
-I am new to surfing but not skiing. Will it be a great surf boat with extra ballast? I have young kids who will want to surf and wakeboard
-is it normal to have a little water in the bottom of the boat: ie rain water that the sump pumps just can't bail out or should it always be bone dry?
-any more advice on what I should be looking for when buying a used x14V would be helpful? appreciate the insight

The x14v is based on the 197 hull (stretched), so the bottom is very flat. The goal was to create a reasonable cross-over from skiing to wakeboarding (which it has done better than other brands). IMO surfing is a bit of a stretch (others may disagree) from my experience. I certainly can't surf it without extra ballast. I am currently using two fat-sacs (one in the ski locker and the other across the stern engine compartment) to achieve a reasonable wake.

One of the secondary issues (after the flat bottom), impacting the wake surf is the swim deck. I know others have modified and even removed the deck clean up the wake with better results. For me, this is an enormous pain, I don't want to deal with.

I am water skier that needed to scale to wakeboarding for my wife; otherwise I would have got the x14 DD. If you do not ski and your primary sports are wake and surf, you might look at other boats (X-10) for example.

I can say it does deliver a very clean and reasonable wakeboard wake--and from a ski perspective I find the wake softer than anything in the CC family cross-overs. It does have a taller shelf than the same hull with a DD--- a compromise to gain more interior space. I regularly ski short-line (32 off) and have a very smooth cross.

I can't comment on the rain-water issue. My boat is rarely outdoors or ever in the rain. We pull it after every use and store it in the garage always. On a few occasions we have been traveling and it has been in the rain. I never noticed any accumulation of water that was an issue or notable.

I don't have any "special" advice in terms of shopping used x14v's beyond the typical issues relevant to all boat purchases. The overall setup: engine, transmission etc., have been deployed in lots of platforms across the MC line--so reliability etc. is very high. I would be concerned with hours and condition of interior / hull only.

I hope this helps. Feel free to PM me if other questions arise.

cdstukey
05-15-2013, 11:58 PM
" It does have a taller shelf than the same hull with a DD--- a compromise to gain more interior space. "
C'mon Matt, don't open that can of worms again.

rtw_travel
05-16-2013, 12:12 AM
In terms of what to look for... If you're looking for a '12, then it almost doesn't matter because pretty well everything except wear and tear is under warranty.

You should know the '12's have had electronics problems. If you have faith that the latest software release fixes them, then by all means make the purchase. It might be wiser to wait a month to get feedback from all the '12 owners that things really are fixed... or perhaps consider a different model year. This may be the reason why the current owner is selling.

Edit: If you do a search for "touchscreen issues" or 2012 GDIG or 2012 ballast or 2012 medallion you should find lots of information on this site

mramerman@gmail.com
05-16-2013, 12:47 AM
" It does have a taller shelf than the same hull with a DD--- a compromise to gain more interior space. "
C'mon Matt, don't open that can of worms again.

Ha ha! : ) I miss DD

Tusker
05-16-2013, 11:07 AM
Thanks for all the good advice. Can other owners who have surfed behind the x14v shed some light on how is performs?

Tusker
05-16-2013, 11:07 AM
also, can you run a boom on the 2012 x14v?

cdstukey
05-16-2013, 04:32 PM
Yes you can put a boom on the 14s. I think Matt was pretty spot on in his assessment. IMO, the fourteens were conceived just as surfing was starting to take off, so they are designed more with wake boarding and slalom in mind. Surfing a 14 can be done with stock ballast but it is an exercise in perfecting your trim on the board and getting used to riding extremely close to your boat, as the rideable pocket is very short and close to the boat. It gets better with additional ballast but not great by any means. The platform will dig in with additional ballast, which no doubt knocks down the wake. The easiest fix is to drill a second set of holes in the platform bracket allowing you to run with the platform angled up, and thus more out of the way. But like Matt said it's kind of a pain.
On the plus side, once you get comfortable riding with the nose of your board over the platform you don't even have to stop to switch riders. Just "beach" your board on the platform and step onto the boat and the next person can just slide back off.

Tusker
05-17-2013, 04:00 PM
all good stiff and makes the decision that more confusing. I am also considering a Sport natique 200 but I am going to assume (unless someone that I have yet to talk to can tell me differently) that surfing will be no better on it than on the x14v. I like the interior space far better on the x14v than the Natique but I they tend to promote the marketing of its ability to surf as well as ski. I grew up skiing and still plan to do lots more. My kids are both under 5 so I am assuming they will do more of board and surf but I think as a crossover and given their age it will serve me well for many years.

all input welcome!

mramerman@gmail.com
05-17-2013, 04:17 PM
all good stiff and makes the decision that more confusing. I am also considering a Sport natique 200 but I am going to assume (unless someone that I have yet to talk to can tell me differently) that surfing will be no better on it than on the x14v. I like the interior space far better on the x14v than the Natique but I they tend to promote the marketing of its ability to surf as well as ski. I grew up skiing and still plan to do lots more. My kids are both under 5 so I am assuming they will do more of board and surf but I think as a crossover and given their age it will serve me well for many years.

all input welcome!

I have experience with the Sport Natique 200 -- one of my best ski buddies has one. In all fairness I have not surfed it; however, I can't imagine it produces a better wake than the x14v does. It does have a relatively small and curved swim deck that might not cut into the wake as much as my boat does (possibly an advantage). I can say, from a ski standpoint the x14v wake crossing is MUCH better. The Natique (even short line) produces a very hard wake. If you are not really on edge and pulling hard, you will catch air everytime. It is bad enough, I don't view that boat as a ski boat.

Tusker
05-25-2013, 10:56 PM
Fellow owners. What do you think of x10 vs x14v?

FoggyNogginz
05-06-2014, 11:35 AM
Was wondering what other x14v owners were running for a prop (size, etc.)? What elevation you run at? And for what purposes (boarding, skiing, bf, etc.)?

Bump for this inquiry. Calling all X14V owners:
>What prop do you run?
>What is your ski/surf/wake mix?

I am considering both the ACME 2059 14 dia X 15.5 pitch, and the ACME 845 13.5 dia X 16 pitch. I think that the larger diameter and lower pitch will help clean up the surf wave, but I'm a lil worried about the larger size with slalom.

Thanks,

KC

mramerman@gmail.com
07-02-2014, 01:24 PM
:mad:

JohnE
07-02-2014, 01:28 PM
They aren't making it in 2015?

mramerman@gmail.com
07-02-2014, 01:38 PM
They aren't making it in 2015?

It looks like they just launched 2015 models and the x35 and x14v are no longer listed. Sad day for certain. It is the only true cross-over (IMO)---seems like it leaves a real hole in the overall line up; unless they make the Prostar V-drive.

At the moment the score is 7:1--with only one ski boat in the MC lineup.

bamabonners
07-02-2014, 04:10 PM
that stinks in my opinion.... I was looking at a crossover if my boat sells.

We ski mostly, but do like to bring friends along and enjoy some board sports on occassion. A 21 foot boat that can ski well and handle amateur board sports is all we (and most others) really need.

Lets face it, the new prostar is a slalom tug...nowhere near a family ski boat. It doesn't have the seating arrangement or storage to bring any real amount of friends along. They really need to tap into this market again. So far, the VTX is the king of this segment.

Maybe if MC would have dumped the stupid I/O seating arrangment they could have regained market share...

JMLVMI
07-02-2014, 04:21 PM
The wake that gets thrown by the big X boats is so much larger than most folks need, but MC caters to an upscale, alpha male, big spender market (much like expensive golf clubs)...so they sell those big boats at the expense of crossover boats.

X14V is apparently the perfect boat that nobody wanted :(

bamabonners
07-02-2014, 04:23 PM
it would have been perfect, except that seating arrangment. I think that was a turn off for most. I know of several that went with smaller Malibu VTX because of the seating.

JohnE
07-02-2014, 04:34 PM
It looks like they just launched 2015 models and the x35 and x14v are no longer listed. Sad day for certain. It is the only true cross-over (IMO)---seems like it leaves a real hole in the overall line up; unless they make the Prostar V-drive.

At the moment the score is 7:1--with only one ski boat in the MC lineup.

X35 was still listed a few hours ago

mramerman@gmail.com
07-02-2014, 05:33 PM
Interesting comments regarding the seating configuration. I am an owner and love my boat, but I do have to agree that there is something funky about the seating wrap around the v-drive. That coupled with the shear height of the motor required a much higher lid that came above the gunnels, giving it an awkward stern line. It isnít bad in my í10 / Indmar engine--it got worse with Ilmore and the extra height. I understand what they were trying to achieve... but get clearly why that might have been a turn off.

Having said that, we are very close to an upgrade. We are a waterski family---but need room to cruise and occasionally have wake boarders and a desire to surf. I would be happy with the Prostar but complaining on choppy days or when we want to haul a lot of people. My wife is never going to agree to a Prostar unless we go big X-30 isn and I pick up a mid 80ís 190... now there is an idea!

In the final analysis, we were leaning heavily towards a custom order of an x14v once more... now, I have no idea. I have skied behind the Sport Nautique 200 and it is much harder wake than my x14v. I wonít go BU. So... Mastercraft.... v-drive Prostar with tower?

JohnE
07-02-2014, 06:35 PM
Go with an X30 and an old prostar. Makes the most sense in a lot of ways.

rtw_travel
07-02-2014, 08:40 PM
Wow- so I bought one of the last 14V's. Good thing I got all the features I wanted- I'll post pictures of our new boat when I'm back home on a real internet connection next week.

The 14v disappearance could be like last year's prostar: absent at the beginning of the year, and then back again in a mid season re-launch. ...or like the x-15: gone but replaced by another model later on. There is a market for a crossover leaning towards the ski side, so they must have some plans to do something.

rtw_travel
07-02-2014, 11:58 PM
I wonder if the demise explains why they did not develop an x-14v gen 2 surf package? I was lucky enough to surf behind an x-10 with the gen 2 today. What an awesome boat for surfing- shame gen 2 is not available for us.

Aric'sX15
07-03-2014, 12:08 AM
I personally have never seen an x14 on the water in my area, maybe it just wasn't selling?

Tony Webb
07-03-2014, 05:23 AM
it would have been perfect, except that seating arrangment. I think that was a turn off for most. I know of several that went with smaller Malibu VTX because of the seating.

I bought a new VTX, the wife did not like driving it, it's a of crossover boat, jack of all trades, master of none.
Sold it due to certain reasons, bought a X7, not as much room, wife loves to drive it, ZERO OFF is made of gold.
If you like to ski, the vtx is ok, but does not come close to a direct drive. If they continue to make them, X14V will be next.
Ok we have a houseboat and we might only be in the boat for an hour so everyone gets a go, but more than 4 in the boat for a set is too many

ncskier
07-03-2014, 08:14 AM
The wake that gets thrown by the big X boats is so much larger than most folks need, but MC caters to an upscale, alpha male, big spender market (much like expensive golf clubs)...so they sell those big boats at the expense of crossover boats.

X14V is apparently the perfect boat that nobody wanted :(

My guess is the NXT20 will be marketed as the new cross over for skiers. All good news for helping the 205 hold their value :rolleyes:

JohnE
07-03-2014, 09:21 AM
The 14 DD was a big hit in it's first few years. Then when the 14V came out in '09 that was a big hit. Clearly the numbers of each dwindled enough to drop them both. I'm a little surprised, I thought the 14V would be around a little while longer. The demise of the 14 DD actually made sense to me given the new prostar, which has way more room than the 197, along with the dwindling sales of the 14DD in it's final few years.

rtw_travel
07-06-2014, 10:54 PM
We wake surfed yesterday with borrowed ballast and 6 people. Not too bad, but the platform shaves the wake. The platform on the 14v seems lower in the water than other boats- I guess it was the right height for the dd, but then they moved the motor back.

I know others have drilled new holes, but I'm not sure I want an angled platform. Has anyone raised the platform by putting a new piece of teak between the platform and the metal base? I figure we can raise the platform by about 1.5 " inches before it bumps into the lifting lugs above the platform.... So a 2"x4" x18" or so piece of teak under the platform.

FoggyNogginz
07-07-2014, 12:32 AM
I was just thinking about this today. Seems like an easy thing to try. I wish I could find a place that would make a custom fiberglass one actually. I'd go much smaller and raise it too.

rtw_travel
07-08-2014, 01:14 AM
Back to what this thread was originally about: Here's pictures of our new x-14V.

There's a lot of things I really like about it, but my one regret was we should have got more 'bling'. The gunmetal flake looks awesome in the right light... we just needed more.

The_boy
07-08-2014, 03:23 AM
Hi X14 er's...My first post.
I'm on my second year with my X14 DD 2011 and my family and I love it!
My wife is the skier, my kids are up and coming wakeboarders and me well I try everything!

Cheers,


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FoggyNogginz
07-08-2014, 07:42 AM
Back to what this thread was originally about: Here's pictures of our new x-14V.

There's a lot of things I really like about it, but my one regret was we should have got more 'bling'. The gunmetal flake looks awesome in the right light... we just needed more.



Great looking ride! Congrats!!

FoggyNogginz
07-08-2014, 07:45 AM
Hi X14 er's...My first post.
I'm on my second year with my X14 DD 2011 and my family and I love it!
My wife is the skier, my kids are up and coming wakeboarders and me well I try everything!





Welcome to the club, both the X14 world and TeamTalk!

rtw_travel
07-08-2014, 09:54 AM
Hi X14 er's...My first post. Excellent pictures- way more skillful & artistic than mine

Where do you boat near Ottawa? We're on the rideau between smiths falls and kingston, and bought the boat at Lens Cove.

Ironhorse
07-08-2014, 10:02 AM
Excellent pictures- way more skillful & artistic than mine

Where do you boat near Ottawa? We're on the rideau between smiths falls and kingston, and bought the boat at Lens Cove.

rtw - your location shows Alberta????

mramerman@gmail.com
07-08-2014, 12:24 PM
Back to what this thread was originally about: Here's pictures of our new x-14V.

There's a lot of things I really like about it, but my one regret was we should have got more 'bling'. The gunmetal flake looks awesome in the right light... we just needed more.

Gorgeous boat. Congrats!

JohnE
07-08-2014, 12:59 PM
Back to what this thread was originally about: Here's pictures of our new x-14V.

There's a lot of things I really like about it, but my one regret was we should have got more 'bling'. The gunmetal flake looks awesome in the right light... we just needed more.

Hi X14 er's...My first post.
I'm on my second year with my X14 DD 2011 and my family and I love it!
My wife is the skier, my kids are up and coming wakeboarders and me well I try everything!

Cheers,



A couple of great looking X14's there. Very different, but I like them both.

rtw_travel
07-08-2014, 02:38 PM
rtw - your location shows Alberta????

Short story is we live in Calgary but still have the family cottage in Ontario. We beat a path back there every summer.

It's a long way, and we can't just go for a long weekend so that's why I have been asking on TT about lakes & cabins within 5 hours or so drive from Calgary.... The problem is we've been on that lake in Ontario since I was a little kid, so I know three generations of neighbours all around the lake. It'll be hard to leave.

Ironhorse
07-08-2014, 03:09 PM
I know where you're coming from. I grew up on a lake in BC that is too far to drive for a weekend and it took me years before I found a new lake closer to home. I believe I may have mentioned it before, but take a look at Moyie near Cranbrook.

GT500 MC
07-08-2014, 04:05 PM
Back to what this thread was originally about: Here's pictures of our new x-14V.

There's a lot of things I really like about it, but my one regret was we should have got more 'bling'. The gunmetal flake looks awesome in the right light... we just needed more.

Really like the color combo rtw. Just curious - are you doing your own tower speakers or keeping the tower clean?

rtw_travel
07-09-2014, 01:34 AM
Really like the color combo rtw. Just curious - are you doing your own tower speakers or keeping the tower clean?

We're keeping the tower clean for now. We have the stereo upgrade so the sound in the cockpit is excellent, but I didn't want to disturb the neighbours or have the kids disturb the neighbours with tower speakers.

JohnE
07-09-2014, 09:03 AM
We're keeping the tower clean for now. We have the stereo upgrade so the sound in the cockpit is excellent, but I didn't want to disturb the neighbours or have the kids disturb the neighbours with tower speakers.

Same here - I never wanted speakers on the tower of my 14's.

rtw_travel
07-10-2014, 05:47 PM
One note for other X-14V owners - I've had two 14V's now, and both had ski pylons that were hard to install. I could not actually install the new one.

But I found the trick on my last boat and I used the same trick with the new boat. My problem was that the ring around the pylon on the floor was not exactly lined up with the pylon receiver under the floor. It is a 15 minute job to remove the ring, set it in the right place, drill new holes, and reinstall.

So if your X14V has a stiff pylon, the easiest thing to do is take the trim ring off on the floor (6 phillips screws), and see if the pylon is still hard to insert with no ring there. You may be surprized at how easy it really is.

You can see in the picture that I have removed all screws and centred the trim ring around the pylon. Then I put one screw into the one hole I could see, and drilled 7 new holes for the remainder of the screws.

...and yes, I used vegetable oil as a lubricant because its biodegradeable, but the oil is not really required if the ring is lined up properly.

Hope that helps someone.

ProTour X9
07-10-2014, 10:08 PM
I wonder if this would intrigue you guys. One of the last X9s and first X14's built. :cool:

FoggyNogginz
07-10-2014, 11:06 PM
Two amazing boats. Very nice.

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GT500 MC
07-11-2014, 10:54 AM
One note for other X-14V owners - I've had two 14V's now, and both had ski pylons that were hard to install. I could not actually install the new one.

But I found the trick on my last boat and I used the same trick with the new boat. My problem was that the ring around the pylon on the floor was not exactly lined up with the pylon receiver under the floor. It is a 15 minute job to remove the ring, set it in the right place, drill new holes, and reinstall.

So if your X14V has a stiff pylon, the easiest thing to do is take the trim ring off on the floor (6 phillips screws), and see if the pylon is still hard to insert with no ring there. You may be surprized at how easy it really is.

You can see in the picture that I have removed all screws and centred the trim ring around the pylon. Then I put one screw into the one hole I could see, and drilled 7 new holes for the remainder of the screws.

...and yes, I used vegetable oil as a lubricant because its biodegradeable, but the oil is not really required if the ring is lined up properly.

Hope that helps someone.

That is odd---interesting quality issue. I had that exact same situation right from the dealer. Had them look at it during the initial service and they re-drilled the same way you speak of. Still a little tight but I tend to just keep the pylon in for the season anyway.
Easier to take out in the morning when it's cooler too.

rtw_travel
07-11-2014, 11:10 AM
---interesting quality issue ---

Post #1000! Congrats

JohnE
07-11-2014, 11:16 AM
I wonder if this would intrigue you guys. One of the last X9s and first X14's built. :cool:

Wicked cool Doug. :cool:

Minaquabat
07-11-2014, 12:42 PM
What prop are people running on their x14 dd's? Stock or something different? What are your top speeds? We have the stock prop on ours with MCX and like the top speed for barefooting, but have trouble holding speed around wakeboard speeds.

thanks!

double_shumba
07-25-2014, 11:33 AM
The 14 DD was a big hit in it's first few years. Then when the 14V came out in '09 that was a big hit. Clearly the numbers of each dwindled enough to drop them both. I'm a little surprised, I thought the 14V would be around a little while longer. The demise of the 14 DD actually made sense to me given the new prostar, which has way more room than the 197, along with the dwindling sales of the 14DD in it's final few years.

the new prostar is bigger, with more room... but it has fewer seats than the old one. I would think anyone going for the x-14DD would be looking for more seats (I am). Isn't a bigger ski boat with fewer seats just a ski boat that fits the same number of people with a bigger wake?

I'm super bummed they stopped the X-14DD. I thought it was one of the coolest designs they had... direct drive with wrap around seating. Best of both worlds. You can weigh down the back with fat sacks if you want to wake board or surf, but you can't undo the engine in the back if you want to ski...

93Prostar190
07-25-2014, 11:47 AM
Not an X14 ... but his slalom inspired brother ... the PS214 ....

LaRue
07-25-2014, 12:42 PM
Admiring that 214. Someday....Someday...

eficalibrator
07-25-2014, 02:04 PM
the new prostar is bigger, with more room... but it has fewer seats than the old one. I would think anyone going for the x-14DD would be looking for more seats (I am). Isn't a bigger ski boat with fewer seats just a ski boat that fits the same number of people with a bigger wake?
There is no comparison between the wakes of the X14/214 and the new Prostar. The new Prostar is world class for slalom wake (almost none down to 24mph), where my 214 still forces you to practice good form and stack as you cross, or else...

Not an X14 ... but his slalom inspired brother ... the PS214 ....

You mean like this? ;)

FoggyNogginz
07-25-2014, 02:38 PM
That is odd---interesting quality issue. I had that exact same situation right from the dealer. Had them look at it during the initial service and they re-drilled the same way you speak of. Still a little tight but I tend to just keep the pylon in for the season anyway.
Easier to take out in the morning when it's cooler too.

Interesting to me as well; especially since my pylon always feels loose! It has never budged at the wrong time, but it feels as if it barely in there sometimes. Does yours really lock into place?

98 Saleen Cobra
07-25-2014, 02:53 PM
Damn it I want a X14 D.D so bad!!!

93Prostar190
07-25-2014, 02:53 PM
Admiring that 214. Someday....Someday...

Hey man come to Buckeye Bash in a few weeks and you can ski that one ... heck, be nice to me and you can take it home with you. *

Standard disclaimers apply. ;)

rtw_travel
07-25-2014, 04:45 PM
Interesting to me as well; especially since my pylon always feels loose! It has never budged at the wrong time, but it feels as if it barely in there sometimes. Does yours really lock into place?

Yes it does - surprizingly easily. Its spring loaded, so you push down and twist a quarter turn and let it back up to lock into place.

Just take the trim ring off the carpet and see if that makes the pylon easier to insert. You might be pleasantly surprised. If it makes no difference, then reinstall the ring. If removing the ring does make it easier, then drill the new holes for the ring and reinstall.

double_shumba
07-25-2014, 11:04 PM
There is no comparison between the wakes of the X14/214 and the new Prostar. The new Prostar is world class for slalom wake (almost none down to 24mph), where my 214 still forces you to practice good form and stack as you cross, or else...



You mean like this? ;)


Right. I don't think anyone doubts the prostar has a better wake than the 214. What I was saying was that I don't think the prostar getting bigger and heavier but not having more seats fills the gap that dropping the 214 left. I love my prostar, but it is getting to the point that it does not have enough seats for me. I am just snobby enough about my ski boat that I won't ski behind a v-drive... which leaves the 214 as my best option.

The new prostar is a sweet boat, but it won't do anything for my situation that my current prostar won't. The 214 would. I am super bummed they dropped it.

GT500 MC
08-07-2014, 01:06 PM
Interesting to me as well; especially since my pylon always feels loose! It has never budged at the wrong time, but it feels as if it barely in there sometimes. Does yours really lock into place?

Yes locks right into place. And doesn't feel like it can budge a bit. In fact, I tried to pull it out yesterday and simply couldn't. Have it inside storage now drying everything out so I should be able to remove when I go to clean-up and detail next week.

rtw_travel
08-11-2014, 02:03 PM
i've raised my platform on our X-14V, and I'm happy with the results.

I bought a 2"x8"x18" piece of teak and ripped it into two pieces of 2"x4". I then cut a slight wedge into the wide side of the 2"x4", so it goes from 1.5" to 2" thick over about 15" of length. So when I installed it, the front of the platform is 1.5" higher than it was before, and the back of the platform is about 2" higher. I replaced the 1" ss mounting screws with 3" ss screws. It seems very solid.

There are two benefits - the platform is now out of the water when at rest, and it is also above the water when surfing. i.e. it doesn't shave the top of the wave. The wave is way better than before. It looks like the end of the platform is still about 1/2" above the water when surfing.

Here's pictures. You can see the slight wedge shape I cut in the 2x4 piece of teak. Yes, I finished the teak before screwing and gluing it into place.

The surfing picture was taken with a very wide angle, so it looks flatter than it really was. The wave was about 3' tall, with about 6-8' of length to play with. This is full stock ballast plus two x 400lb fat sacks and 6 people. About 3/4 tank of gas. One fat sac was under the seat where the ski pylon is, the second sac lay on the floor across the boat just in front of the engine cover. Two people were sitting in the front port side of the boat, three on the port side from the spotters seat going to the back, and one driver.

phot 1 - before lifting
photo 2 - after
photo 3 - wake after. Its the surfer's second try at surfing, and the first time throwing the rope back. ~he's about 200lbs, and is using an inland surfer blue lake V2
photo 4 - the wedge installed

cdstukey
08-11-2014, 04:50 PM
i've raised my platform on our X-14V, and I'm happy with the results.

I bought a 2"x8"x18" piece of teak and ripped it into two pieces of 2"x4". I then cut a slight wedge into the wide side of the 2"x4", so it goes from 1.5" to 2" thick over about 15" of length. So when I installed it, the front of the platform is 1.5" higher than it was before, and the back of the platform is about 2" higher. I replaced the 1" ss mounting screws with 3" ss screws. It seems very solid.

There are two benefits - the platform is now out of the water when at rest, and it is also above the water when surfing. i.e. it doesn't shave the top of the wave. The wave is way better than before. It looks like the end of the platform is still about 1/2" above the water when surfing.

Here's pictures. You can see the slight wedge shape I cut in the 2x4 piece of teak. Yes, I finished the teak before screwing and gluing it into place.

The surfing picture was taken with a very wide angle, so it looks flatter than it really was. The wave was about 3' tall, with about 6-8' of length to play with. This is full stock ballast plus two x 400lb fat sacks and 6 people. About 3/4 tank of gas. One fat sac was under the seat where the ski pylon is, the second sac lay on the floor across the boat just in front of the engine cover. Two people were sitting in the front port side of the boat, three on the port side from the spotters seat going to the back, and one driver.

phot 1 - before lifting
photo 2 - after
photo 3 - wake after. Its the surfer's second try at surfing, and the first time throwing the rope back. ~he's about 200lbs, and is using an inland surfer blue lake V2
photo 4 - the wedge installed (sorry for it being sideways)

That looks pretty slick. Nicely done and thanks for the "how to" write up. What kind of glue did you use?

rtw_travel
08-11-2014, 06:11 PM
That looks pretty slick. Nicely done and thanks for the "how to" write up. What kind of glue did you use?

I used whatever I had at hand- in this case, two coats of contact cement. It's really the screws through the the mounting plate that hold it together. The screws are #14 x3" stainless steel, with holes pre-drilled for the entire 3".

FoggyNogginz
08-11-2014, 08:45 PM
I'm absolutely going to this. Thanks for the great write up! Where did you get the teak??

rtw_travel
08-11-2014, 09:21 PM
I'm absolutely going to this. Thanks for the great write up! Where did you get the teak??

Our local specialty wood company. Brace yourself- it'll be the most expensive piece of wood you've ever bought from a lumber store. I spent $80 for a piece that was unfinished 2x8x18" . I'm sure you could find it cheaper, but I needed it immediately to be able to get it finished before our vacation. :rolleyes:

Bwall
08-11-2014, 10:31 PM
I assumed the 2" aluminum spacer on my X14V was factory, maybe not- I'm not sure?
http://i58.tinypic.com/2d75v79.jpg

rtw_travel
08-11-2014, 11:11 PM
I assumed the 2" aluminum spacer on my X14V was factory, maybe not- I'm not sure?

That's a great solution, but I'd be disappointed if it was factory installed... Because it means they stopped putting these on later models as neither my '12 or '14 had them.

One advantage is that only aluminum would be in the water, whereas the my teak wedges sit in the water when the boat is in the water. The only thing you couldn't do easily in aluminum is the wedge shape... but I'm not not sure how important it is to do that.

FoggyNogginz
08-12-2014, 02:47 PM
Yeah, I don't think that aluminum spacer is factory, but it is definitely a good idea. I'm really impressed at the difference that this adjustment made in the surf wake, because the photos above are much cleaner than my port wave.

RTW - what prop are you running?

Thanks again.

rtw_travel
08-12-2014, 05:19 PM
RTW - what prop are you running?

Thanks again.

Stock from the factory...whatever that is. I haven't looked at it.

corey
08-12-2014, 07:35 PM
The end of an era, our last X14V is headed home!

mramerman@gmail.com
08-12-2014, 07:37 PM
The end of an era, our last X14V is headed home!

I am going to say it again---Mastercraft needs a cross-over solution. I am hopeful there is something in the works that will surprise and delight me soon!

FoggyNogginz
08-12-2014, 08:06 PM
<rant>

I really don't understand why we don't have a PS2XX-DD with the Gen 2 Surf tabs, a larger back ski locker like the X9 (but one that can handle the weight of a ballast bag on top of the fuel tank), and a bigger center ballast tank that runs from the ski pylon up toward the bow. As a skier who surfs, I would love this. Oh yeah, and an analog dash!

I mean, I know that surfing is what most folks are doing these days...but I don't like the idea of spending "new boat money" on a one trick pony. But when it comes to slalom, MC really only gives you one choice. I'd like to see them offer different hulls like Malibu does on the VTX and VLX too (wake/diamond).

</rant>

thorn210
08-12-2014, 09:04 PM
I been reading this tread lately since I trade 2003 209 for my a 2013 X14. Been enjoying the boat except for a few minor issues. Took the kids out today for last lake day before that start school tomorrow. Water pump fails and have to be towed in. Called dealer and he says mastercraft recommends changing impeller every fifty hours. I have 50.4 hours on my boat. I had a mastercraft since my dad bought one in 1990. I used to get two seasons out of impellers, What happened? I ordered two impellers to get here later this week. The engine was to hot to mess with today so put on trailer and came home. I just feel the problems should not exist in a boat that cost this much money. Touch screen freeze up when thing to use profiles, Front ballast pump failed last weekend due to being mounted to low in boat and getting wet. Sorry to rant just frustrated with quality!

FoggyNogginz
08-12-2014, 10:38 PM
I've had every single one of those problems, and I also had an older X9 before this. I'm not sure what to say other than I've had to work these gremlins out of mine this season, and quite a bit of it was reengineering ignorance (ballast pumps mounted upside down, wiring not shielded from moisture, relay mounted in wet area, etc.). I love the boat now, but they clearly have some quality control issues these days compared to a decade ago.



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FoggyNogginz
08-13-2014, 10:14 PM
I raised the platform tonight on teak. Pleased with how it looks, and will post surf photos asap. I got the teak from Teakworld in Lebanon TN, as they make the platforms for MC and they are only 30 mins from my house. $45 investment. Hoping for the results above!

JohnE
08-13-2014, 11:48 PM
<rant>

I really don't understand why we don't have a PS2XX-DD with the Gen 2 Surf tabs, a larger back ski locker like the X9 (but one that can handle the weight of a ballast bag on top of the fuel tank), and a bigger center ballast tank that runs from the ski pylon up toward the bow. As a skier who surfs, I would love this. Oh yeah, and an analog dash!

I mean, I know that surfing is what most folks are doing these days...but I don't like the idea of spending "new boat money" on a one trick pony. But when it comes to slalom, MC really only gives you one choice. I'd like to see them offer different hulls like Malibu does on the VTX and VLX too (wake/diamond).

</rant>

I think it is because the DD market totally died. The hype looking forward to the X14 in '07 was insane. I have no idea why it disappeared. But it did. By fall of '08 it has shifted to the X14V. There just isn't enough market in a larger DD than the slalom flagship to warrant it. Couple that with the fact that a tournament slalom boat isn't ever going to throw a great surf wake regardless of amount of ballast, tabs, gen 2, etc and it just doesn't make any sense to build one.

With that said, I'm with you. If they made one I'd buy it tomorrow.

cdstukey
08-14-2014, 01:05 AM
I assumed the 2" aluminum spacer on my X14V was factory, maybe not- I'm not sure?
http://i58.tinypic.com/2d75v79.jpg

My 2010 is similar in style to this. I believe the earlier boats have a shorter (height) platform bracket with the two inch piece on top. On later boats, like rtw's, it looks like they went to a taller bracket with out the extra piece on top. I would guess the overall height of the two styles is roughly the same. The top of my platform is about one inch below the lifting rings in the stock position.

rtw_travel
08-14-2014, 08:17 AM
I think that's the key- the height of the platform relative to the lifting lugs. I moved mine from about 1.5" below to just below.... Or from flush with the water when at rest, to completely above the water. It shows it on the pics a few posts ago.

So earlier boats need another 1.5" on top of the piece they already have? That would be harder to do, but I think I'd just use a larger piece of aluminum square tube in place of the existing one? Found some here: http://www.metalsdepot.com/products/alum2.phtml?page=tube&LimAcc=%20&aident=
3.5" x3.5" or 4"x4" might fit, but you'd have to burst a brain cell figuring out how to get screws into both the brackets and the platform because I think 5" screws would be hard to find/ not as strong with a large unsupported length.

How is your existing square tube fastened?

Edit: Option b is to bring the assembly to a local fab shop and have them cut the mounting plate off and weld an aluminum extension onto the brackets and then re-weld the mounting plate back on to the extension. That shouldn't be unreasonably expensive because they are small pieces: $100-200 ?

thorn210
08-14-2014, 08:27 PM
froggynogginz, So you inverted the front Ballast? Did you shield the motor in any way so that water seeping the access door wont effect it? Did you have to reverse the pump head on motor so fill and empty still work as designed? Also on the raw water pump running without sea strainer, do your impellers last all season? Sorry so many questions but it sounds like you have dealt with the issues that I'm having. Dealer not much help with modifying. Thanks for any input.

FoggyNogginz
08-14-2014, 08:43 PM
froggynogginz, So you inverted the front Ballast? Did you shield the motor in any way so that water seeping the access door wont effect it? Did you have to reverse the pump head on motor so fill and empty still work as designed? Also on the raw water pump running without sea strainer, do your impellers last all season? Sorry so many questions but it sounds like you have dealt with the issues that I'm having. Dealer not much help with modifying. Thanks for any input.

Yes, I turned the pump around (and two others in the boat that were upside down). When you do this, you have to reverse the wiring at the switch as well so that drain/fill are not reversed. I did not shield the pump in any way, and it has worked fine so far. Fills much faster too now that it is priming better.

Next, in speaking with my dealer and reading on this forum, I have learned that the impellers on the Sherwood raw water cooling pumps are commonly being replaced in the 50-60 hour interval, which is apparently the recommendation from Ilmor. The theory as to why these are wearing out so quickly is based on a few different things. First, this boat has a dripless shaft which drains the manifolds once the boat is pulled out of the water (unlike my Indmar, which kept the manifolds wet). This means that the raw water pump on the Ilmor is starting somewhat dry (assuming that you trailer the boat), and the pump is having to suck water back into the waterlines and manifolds to get a good cooling flow, which simply has to be harder on the impeller. In fact, I have been told by MC and Ilmor to run my engine at a high idle for the first 60-90 seconds to prime the pump and get the sufficient water into the system to keep the engine cool at idle speeds in the no wake zone. I have only had this boat since March (my third MC), but if I do not prime the pump then it will over heat in a no wake zone.

As a side note, the newer Ilmor motors have a 190 degree thermostat in them, which means that these engines are running hotter...and this likely takes a toll on the impeller as well.

As for the sea strainer, I will likely put mine back in there for resale value, but there is really no reason for this strainer on a clean lake other than making it a tiny bit easier to clean out lake muck if you ever get something into the intake hose.

I hope this helps!

Ikeseries
08-19-2014, 11:35 PM
Looking to put a tower on my 2008 prostar 214. Anybody put a tower on the 214 and have advice to share? Order from local dealer?

93Prostar190
08-20-2014, 08:46 AM
Looking to put a tower on my 2008 prostar 214. Anybody put a tower on the 214 and have advice to share? Order from local dealer?

I am really happy with my Mini-Tower .... although you may hit your head once or twice.

Also if you get the mini-tower and put speaker cans on it .... your engine hatch opens to the 1st position but cannot open all the way without separating the tower (only and issue for large service, etc)

That is my 214 on the right of the picture ... love the mini-tower with speakers on it ... looks sweet.

eficalibrator
08-20-2014, 10:53 AM
Looking to put a tower on my 2008 prostar 214. Anybody put a tower on the 214 and have advice to share? Order from local dealer?

My boat was the template that New Dimension used to make their 214 tower. It has been great, fits perfect, and cost/weighs less than the OEM MC towers that look like they were cut from a giant piece of billet aluminum.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/eficalibrator/sets/72157627951446920

JMLVMI
08-20-2014, 01:55 PM
My boat was the template that New Dimension used to make their 214 tower. It has been great, fits perfect, and cost/weighs less than the OEM MC towers that look like they were cut from a giant piece of billet aluminum.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/eficalibrator/sets/72157627951446920

Wow, that came out great...I'm not as huge of fan of the Zero Flex as some people are, so would be cool to find a towerless ZO 214 and put one of these on :cool:

gsxrjtt
08-20-2014, 01:59 PM
Doing a platform mod for a customer today who I showed this thread to.. keep up the tips on these boats..

JohnE
08-20-2014, 03:30 PM
My boat was the template that New Dimension used to make their 214 tower. It has been great, fits perfect, and cost/weighs less than the OEM MC towers that look like they were cut from a giant piece of billet aluminum.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/eficalibrator/sets/72157627951446920

I think that the ND is the best looking mini tower for that boat. That's what I'd put vs. factory mini.

93Prostar190
08-20-2014, 03:37 PM
You guys are killing me !!! ;)

JohnE
08-20-2014, 03:42 PM
You guys are killing me !!! ;)

Sorry. :D

eficalibrator
08-20-2014, 03:55 PM
I think that the ND is the best looking mini tower for that boat. That's what I'd put vs. factory mini.

Mine is not a mini tower, it's full size so that I don't bang my 6'2" head on it every time I'm on the water. :D

Ikeseries
08-21-2014, 11:39 AM
Thank you all for the replies. Has anyone had experience with Samson Towers? They are somewhat local to where I live in the Pacific Northwest and seem to make a really solid product.

Rhob88
08-31-2014, 02:45 PM
Question for the x-14 group,I presently have a 1994 205 ( got it in 1996) and it's time for an upgrade so I am in the market for a x14v , my family skis the course as well as wakeboard and surf, so the question , what's the best year to get and what to watch out for with this model, I have read about the software problem with the 2012 model , and newer is sometimes not better , dealer is trying to sell me on the x-2 and x-10 models thanks guys for the help.

MCVOLS
08-31-2014, 03:36 PM
IMO, you won't be happy in the course with any vdrive. I have not skied the x14V, but coming from a 93 205 to an 08 x14 DD, in the course at 15 & 22 off takes some getting used to. I hear the 14 DD get better at shorter length but I can not say personally.

We love out 14DD and it is a true cross over. I can still get in the course, wakeboard wake is good for beginner to intermediate, and wife and kids can surf as well with a couple bags.

I would love an x10 or x30, but won't make the move until I can afford a 2nd boat to ski with.

FoggyNogginz
08-31-2014, 11:54 PM
I'm in a 2012 x14v and really like it for versatility. The ski wake bump is not bad at 34, but it noticeably present and takes some getting used to. As for computer issues, all years seem to struggle with moisture, and 2012 is fine with the latest updates. Surf wake is good if you raise the swim platform, but this is a must and very easy to do in under an hour. Yes, I wish that I had a Prostar when I slalom these days, but I never miss having to step over everyone and fill the floor with ballast to surf.

You should test drive/ski one to make your own opinions about the wakes. Any competent dealer will respect this request. Good luck!