View Full Version : knee repair....both!

Jeff Lyman
01-23-2011, 03:06 PM
I dont post much but now that I'm laying horizontal on my couch for weeks there's lots of time. Playing volleyball on a 20 year old league last Tuesady after a spike at the net (we won) I came down hard. Ripped the quad muscle from both knee caps. Had surgery the next morning and now sport 2 soft leg braces with NO movement of both legs at the knees.

I'm an slalom course and free skier from May to Oct here in the North east. I can give up snowmobiling and volleyball but not following my Prostar around. Has anyone out there had this same injury? If so I'm curious of any pre injury pain and weekness in the knees like I had for the past 5 years. What type of excersizes, streches I can do for rehabilitation to ski? Surgery doc said it looked like some old damage in there but nothing was left attached. I have a feeling that my knees were on there way out from years of abuse but most exrays just limited the pain to arthritise or inflamation. I made and appoitment weeks ago to have a specialist give some real answers but never made it! The injury was the night before... now that's bad luck.

In pre-op the doc was telling me what he was going to do to stich the muscle and cap back together. He drew a picture of 3 holes he was going to drill I said make it 4 I ski and use the crap out of these things. As we talked he keeps his Malibu ski boat on the same lake I ski a course on! Small world, but nice knowing he didnt want me complaining all summer.

Nothing to do for many weeks so I'll have lots of time to read the mastercraft website.

01-23-2011, 03:22 PM
I will keep you in my thoughts and prayers. Hope you get to feeling better soon.

My wife and I got rear ended back in early October. We were sitting still and someone ran in to our SUV about 35 mph. I did not know just how bad you can feel and thankful for Chiropractors that can take the sick headaches away.

Feeling good means so much. Hope all goes well.


01-23-2011, 03:29 PM
Jeff, hope you get feeling better before the ice melts off. Just wondering, did they offer you a nerve block for pain control before they did surgery? I hope so, it makes a huge difference.

01-23-2011, 04:29 PM
At 17 in high school I went up to the net to spike the ball, came down hard on my right knee in terrible pain. (sound familiar?) Ignored it for 5 years, but my kneecap would keep jumping out of place so I finally had surgery (patella re-alignment is what they called it.) After 3 attepts my knee is about as good as it gets but it still swells-up after skiing/wakeboarding. Keep in mind my surgery was 25 years ago, that kind of repair should be a lot more successful these days.

I still wakeboard but I'm starting to favor other activities behind the boat that are easier on the knees. (barefooting, foiling and wakesurfing)

You'll be in fine shape because of the advancements in surgeries...just take plenty of time to let it heal and follow you PT instructions. I fell on some ice 3 weeks after my 1st surgery and popped the staple out holding mine together...........never been in so much pain!

On the bright side, it's cold here in the northeast.......so it's ok to be laid-up for a bit.
BTW, where are you in the northeast?

And are you related to Keith???:D

01-23-2011, 05:08 PM
good luck ... work on that Dr to updgrade this summer to a real boat .. hope you feel better

01-23-2011, 09:46 PM
good luck ... work on that Dr to updgrade this summer to a real boat .. hope you feel better

All the doctors on our lake have MasterCrafts.

As to knees, take your doctor's advice, do the physical therapy diligently. You'll lose significant quad strength, making you more prone to injury if you try to ski this summer.

01-23-2011, 09:50 PM
Ouch! I did 8 mo. on crutches last year. Part of one cap came off with the tendon and some foot/ankle repairs. My thoughts - be patient and follow physician and PT instructions. The hardest part for me was following their timetable for activity levels. It was the second go-around for both repairs so I was motivated to do it their way and they are good to go now. Best of luck!

01-24-2011, 01:16 AM
My friend ruptured both of his quads and had them surgically repaired. About 2 years later he won the shot put at the senior olympics. He is about 57. I don't every hear him complain of his injury. He is very active at hiking swimming etc. Doesn't ski, too bad. Good luck. Hopefully you'll recover just as well

01-24-2011, 07:33 AM
I would say having a knee surgeon that is a water skier is hard to top. Hoping you will be back skiing as soon as your knees are ready.

01-24-2011, 10:20 AM
I'm laying horizontal on my couch for weeks there's lots of time.
Nothing to do for many weeks, so I'll have lots of time to read the MasterCraft Website.
Sorry to hear your current condition, but hopeful you'll have time to read this!

I blew both both ACL's from non - skiing incidents two years apart and after surgery on both of them on the same day, a few weeks later started the exercises in this book. The physical therapy was a lot of hard work, but with persistence I regained full range of motion in both knees.

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRAUreUe_Z-NxcEjfo7_IZr_GPRa-zn03DucWWII-ITZNzaAP2HJgThis book was written by my former knee surgeon Dr. John Garrett, M.D. Orthopedic Specialist.

He's one of the nation's most prominent knee surgeons, and a former founder of the highly respected Atlanta Orthopedic group, Resurgens, which treats NFL football players and other celebrity athletes.

Formerly the Chief Resident of Orthopedics at Harvard, Dr. Garrett as serves as the Assistant Clinical Professor of Orthopedics at Emory University School of Medicine. He has been the team's orthopedic surgeon for the NFL Atlanta Falcons and several other college and high school teams in the Atlanta area.

I've shared this book w/ many friends whom have blown their knees, wither water-skiing , football whatever and all have said it's a great book if the exercises are applied.

GOOD LUCK on your recovery, keep us posted on your progress.

Jeff Lyman
01-24-2011, 05:40 PM
Thanks for all the support. Skiing is a very unique sport with good people thats why I LOVE it! My first week day from my business actualy went kind of well, lots of calls and emails from friends. I hope they never stop coming, I am the polar oposite of the average lazy couch potato. Although 50 in a few months I still feel (other than the knees) like a 30 year old. You all know why.

Atlfooter- Thanks for that Knee book I will check it out lots of time to read it. Unfortunatly for the next 4 to 6 weeks I cannot even bend my legs. I have my kids and freinds searching for dumbells. I'm determind not to let the upstaires collapse on my downstaires. The arms and torso work fine and getting some use dragging my legs everywhere.

JR8778- I hope to recover just like your friend did at 57 that was great.

2RLAKE- I understand a doc in a Malibu is hard to swallow but look at the bright side him and I will now have a much better relationship, ya never know! My last words before put out in surgery was discussing my MC. Hate to admit it but at that res I ski on my buddy has a 99 Malibu LXI we use and abuse. I cannot knock it although hes the one keeping it repaired! If all works out I'll offer he doc some course lessons this summer.

Jerseydave- Hey northeast person! You know what it looks like to stare at 3 foot of snow on your deck. Our river is not even frozen across and it was -10 last night. I live just north of Syracuse NY on the Oneida river and a camp south of Old Forge in the adrondack mountians with a course to. I would give up every sport and activity just to ski at our mountian lake. Sorry no relation to Keith but ya never know Opra just found a sister! Thats how low I am I watched Opra!

01-24-2011, 07:31 PM
Speedy recovery ...

01-24-2011, 09:47 PM
Jeff, hang in there. It's never a good thing to injure yourself like this, but it's good you did it this time of year, and not in May. Hopefully, you'll be in good shape when the weather gets a little warmer. I still can't believe the river isn't frozen, especially after this weekends temps. I noticed that heading up 481, when I had -13 F on the way to work this morning.

Hopefully, the Cuse will come back from these losses against Pitt and Nova. Besides, when you're having a heart attack from yelling at the games, you don't think about your knees being in pain.

01-24-2011, 11:02 PM
great point on at least it happened during the winter and not during the summer ... see hopefully you feel better already ... life is about timing.

01-25-2011, 07:19 AM
Take it from someone who knows a little about knees....Go to PT....that's where all the ground is gained! Good luck and don't rush!!!!


01-25-2011, 11:09 AM
I recall a certain previous thread regarding the knees .... http://www.mastercraft.com/teamtalk/showthread.php?t=12886&highlight=knee+injury&page=2

Originally Posted by roddydog
Finally got my ACL done on the 3rd of Nov. :)

Been there, done that :( See photo below!
Had 2 Arthoscopic ALC's repairs performed @ the same time, each injury were a year apart
Now both knees = Better than new! :)

atlfootr's sexy knee surgery


01-25-2011, 12:56 PM
WOW! Sorry to hear of your misfortune!!! I am sure you will heal quickly and be back out on the water SOON! PLEASE keep us posted!!!!

Here is a thread I started a while back on skiing/boarding related injuries... Although your injuries did not occur during skiing or boarding -- you can see many others have recovered from some pretty horrific injuries...


Best of Luck bro!!!

Jeff Lyman
01-25-2011, 01:12 PM
442, I just checked out my boat on the side of the garage, it's all rapped well but the snow is even with the top of the sides. Not easy watching the kids going to ski without me but I can give that up easy over water skiing. Looking forward to the Seton Hall game tonight. In my shape its the simple things in life that are now big deals! Monday my excitment was finding a way to slide down to the floor to lay out and stretch then drag my butt back on the couch again. Man my life has changed....LOL.

Investigated my injury some seems not many have injured as I did. Mostly acl and mcls I tore the quad muscule or tendons completely from my knee caps. Wish I could find someone that has done the same. My last look after the accident I would guess my knee caps were 3 inches below where there supposed to be.

Again to all thanks for the help and thoughts.

Jeff Lyman
03-03-2011, 10:22 PM
UPDATE has been 6 weeks since the accident. I Get around well still wearing braces to now only protect the knees from bending to far for atleast 3 more weeks. Although I can hardly move them at all. Still cannot drive and relying on my lovley wife to haul me around. Going to work 3 or so days a week feels great to get out of the house. Surgens appointment today went well with all test. He said I'm stronger than most at this point.

I hired a sports trainer to go to the gym with me twice a week for the past 4. The guy impressed me with his excersises and stretches a skier needs. I do believe I'm in better shape now than before. Worth every penny spent on a pro should of done it years ago.

PT starts next week and YES I will follow there lead and get through this with flying colors! This web site and others have been great therapy during my down time and really think I made a few friends too. I'll check back in a few months with an update, some day this may help out some other poor sole.

First night sleeping without braces rapped around my legs.....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

03-03-2011, 10:36 PM
Well if nothing else this event in your life has done wonders for your post count.;)

03-03-2011, 10:55 PM
Good to hear you have the right frame of mind and determination to overcome.:dance:

03-04-2011, 11:04 AM
Good luck! It's no fun being laid up. Keep checking in here & we'll see if we can keeo you entertained!