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MasterCraftByDesign
01-11-2011, 01:39 PM
Hey Everyone!

I thought I would start a thread dedicated to the new Power Tower. I want to be able to post pics of what we are working on so you can see all of the cool accessories in the works.

Here are 2 pictures of the new front facing LEDs and Rear Facing LEDs. Pretty SICK!!

On the side of the tower, you can see the 2 pods on the sides. Those are the front facing lights. Then there is a new rear facing set that you can see hanging under the center of the tower. Let me know what you think!!

http://i969.photobucket.com/albums/ae175/jdemory/PowerTower-Aux.jpg

http://i969.photobucket.com/albums/ae175/jdemory/PowerTower-Iso.jpg

Thanks,

Jim D.

MasterCraftByDesign
01-11-2011, 01:41 PM
I know that just like most new products that have a big change in design and feature set, there will be some people that love the new look, and others that aren't too fond of it.

This tower is amazing. Until you are right there in front of it, watching it move so smoothly up and down, you will have a hard time appreciating the work and look of it.

So please, use this forum to provide us with ideas and feedback as to what you think. In the end, it is all about what the consumer wants, and I want to be sure that we always keep that in mind when we are desigining new items and features.

Thanks in advance for all of your help!

Jim D.

eficalibrator
01-11-2011, 01:44 PM
Do you have any idea how much this thing weighs when loaded like this? It seems like towers have been getting a lot bigger/heavier in recent years. It probably doesn't matter to the wakeboard purists, but people who want a dual-purpose (slalom) boats aren't always thrilled with permanently installed ballast.

scott023
01-11-2011, 01:46 PM
The forward facing lights look TINY. Is there going to be a substancial difference in forward visability at night?

duckguy
01-11-2011, 02:25 PM
Not small if they are HID

scott023
01-11-2011, 02:28 PM
Hey Everyone!

I thought I would start a thread dedicated to the new Power Tower. I want to be able to post pics of what we are working on so you can see all of the cool accessories in the works.

Here are 2 pictures of the new front facing LEDs and Rear Facing LEDs. Pretty SICK!!

On the side of the tower, you can see the 2 pods on the sides. Those are the front facing lights. Then there is a new rear facing set that you can see hanging under the center of the tower. Let me know what you think!!


Thanks,

Jim D.

Not small if they are HID

The OP stated they are LED... a lot different than HID.

helton333
01-11-2011, 02:32 PM
Just saw it at boat show - it absolutely makes other towers on Nautiques, Malibu's - every competitor's, look like child's play.

It is beefy, overbuilt looking, like something off a space ship. In person, it is very, very impressive - it folds to where you can still open your hatches, and folded down, NO BUGS while towing...

FourFourty
01-11-2011, 02:41 PM
The OP stated they are LED... a lot different than HID.

Very True..... if these are just LEDs, I would be concerned about light output. It would be better if they had some nice HIDs in there. They would need a projector lens for a good cutoff of the light though....

I am very curious why LEDs?? With HID components being relatively inexpensive these days, why not use them? It would be a drop in the bucket compared to the cost of the housings.... Maybe $5.00 to $10.00 more per light than LEDs..... For the performance you get out of them, that added cost is nothing.

coz
01-11-2011, 02:47 PM
Can it be manually lifted and lowered? I know nothing ever goes wrong with MC's :rolleyes: but lets just say you're at the lake and a fuse, solinoid or whatever operates it goes out, is your day ruined???

MasterCraftByDesign
01-11-2011, 03:11 PM
The OP stated they are LED... a lot different than HID.

Hey Scott!

These lights are over twice the power of the current lights. They are very bright and will make a big difference. As cool as it would be to go with HID lights, they are unbelievably expensive still and would make this accessory way over the price of what we were going for.

They are LED, but very bright.

Thanks,

Jim D.

scott023
01-11-2011, 03:13 PM
Good to know, thanks Jim.

BIGBADBLUE
01-11-2011, 03:36 PM
Is it just me or are these towers just really ugly? Maybe I need to get with the times but they had one at the Nashville boat show and even in person it was ugly and pricey.

ShawnB
01-11-2011, 03:45 PM
Is it just me or are these towers just really ugly? Maybe I need to get with the times but they had one at the Nashville boat show and even in person it was ugly and pricey.

I think it looks so much better in black.

http://www.waterskis.com/v/vspfiles/photos/Parks_X-Star_Blk-2T.jpg

G-Star
01-11-2011, 04:03 PM
That looks pretty deadly...

I think it looks so much better in black.

http://www.waterskis.com/v/vspfiles/photos/Parks_X-Star_Blk-2T.jpg

ddanenberger
01-11-2011, 04:18 PM
Are the lights shown production locations or aftermarket?

medicmoose
01-11-2011, 04:23 PM
Are you going to ship to Canada via USPS? :D

G-Star
01-11-2011, 04:25 PM
Are you going to ship to Canada via USPS? :D

Now that, right there, is funny. :uglyhamme

brucemac
01-11-2011, 04:59 PM
Can it be manually lifted and lowered? I know nothing ever goes wrong with MC's :rolleyes: but lets just say you're at the lake and a fuse, solinoid or whatever operates it goes out, is your day ruined???

a good question. Jim?

Do you have any idea how much this thing weighs when loaded like this? It seems like towers have been getting a lot bigger/heavier in recent years. It probably doesn't matter to the wakeboard purists, but people who want a dual-purpose (slalom) boats aren't always thrilled with permanently installed ballast.

another good question.


I think it looks so much better in black.

http://www.waterskis.com/v/vspfiles/photos/Parks_X-Star_Blk-2T.jpg
that doesn't look too shabby. looking forward to seeing the X-25 with this tower at our boat show later this month. the tower is not black though.

coz
01-11-2011, 05:43 PM
a good question. Jim?



.

I'm thinking with no reply that means no, you're screwed :confused:

SkiDog
01-11-2011, 06:23 PM
How well does it hold a fifty pound hydrofoil? Or two? Is there special adapters for foils? we needs to know these things!:confused:

trickskier
01-11-2011, 06:38 PM
So the coilover shocks allow the tower to flex while riding? What is the advantage of that?

snork
01-11-2011, 06:54 PM
[QUOTE=MasterCraftByDesign;726234]Hey Scott!

These lights are over twice the power of the current lights. They are very bright and will make a big difference. As cool as it would be to go with HID lights, they are unbelievably expensive still and would make this accessory way over the price of what we were going for.

They are LED, but very bright.

Thanks,

So what your say'n is the LED lights will be priced around $2000.00 and the HID lights at about $4000.00

hbomb
01-11-2011, 07:23 PM
I amazed with engineering these days..... it looks like the designers are going out of their way to design things that are "over designed" with the assistance of the team at NASA
the object of the excercise in case you forgot is to pull a wakeboarder or two........
wash my mouth......... but I thought the malibu tower looked odd!!!!! brother, get your ar#$ over to malibu and learn a thing or two.........
have we not learnt teh KISS principle.................
and what DO you do when your battery does goes flat????????
that is one ugly waste of a lump of aluminium
glad I own an X2!

coz
01-11-2011, 08:00 PM
with the assistance of the team at NASA


......or him :eek:

http://randomdistraction.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/c3po.jpg

Sorry....couldn't resist :D

hbomb
01-11-2011, 08:42 PM
love it.....

TOO-TALL
01-11-2011, 09:17 PM
I applaued new ideas,but this is just crazy...

Looks like MC is trading reliability for convinance(sp) I mean come on is folding a tower that hard???
Way don't we have something like the old school zero flex towers easy to fold,they fold forward so you can access the motor and rear storage compartments while the boat is in the garage.

The power tower looks really weak side to side.
If a rider is behind the boat all the time in a straight line maybe its not so bad,but riders cut into the flats really hard.Alot of my friends do tricks in the flats and really,really load the line.
Sometimes when I cut out into the flats and load the line I can feel the boat lean over.
This tower looks like it will fold like deck of cards with some side load

I don't know???? maybe I'm wrong.......For MC's sake I hope I'm wrong.
Remember the carbon tower Malibu tried a few years ago??...Where is it now??

bturner2
01-11-2011, 09:32 PM
Does it really have to be power? Could you somehow get rid of the cylinders on the sides to clean up the design? Seems like there should be some way to make it work manually without a electrically powered actuator (gas shock, torsion spring, etc.). Without the cylinders I like the tower.

vision
01-11-2011, 10:01 PM
Does it really have to be power? Could you somehow get rid of the cylinders on the sides to clean up the design? Seems like there should be some way to make it work manually without a electrically powered actuator (gas shock, torsion spring, etc.). Without the cylinders I like the tower.

Place the actuators between the arms instead on the side, or at least make them black, and the tower would look even better.

The CC and Malibu towers (and probably everyone else) have dampeners that make manually lowering the tower easy. But, the ability to lower it automatically is growing on me.

06' X-2 R8R H8R
01-11-2011, 10:32 PM
Oh Boy...will it ever end.....CMON

duckguy
01-11-2011, 10:46 PM
Looks like Peru's the place to be

BTV
01-11-2011, 11:17 PM
I agree with Tootall.
I looked at a 2011 SAN 230. Loosen one hand lever at each base of tower, fold forward to level with the windshield, boat can be driven with tower down. Boat cover covers and protects tower speakers.
I love the clamping system on the MC towers, but think a simple non-mechanical forward folding tower would be less expensive and more reliable than the power tower.

duckguy
01-12-2011, 10:26 AM
I will bet anyone that within a year or two MC will be offering a new non power easily folded tower. Any takers?

FourFourty
01-12-2011, 11:31 AM
I will bet anyone that within a year or two MC will be offering a new non power easily folded tower. Any takers?


Would order for sure. I dont understand why they are not offering this tower in a manually foldable unit..... Remove motors, and gear reducer, add a couple gas shocks, and a 3 or 4 position locking mechanism. I would have ordered it with my new boat if it was the new tower in a manual config. I think I would actually like it better. Tower that easily folds by hand with a simple flick of a lock lever....perfect.

bobx1
01-12-2011, 11:49 AM
Kudos to MC for looking forward, being innovative, and trying new things! With that being said, I would hate to travel 3-4 hours (or longer) with the family in tow for a big day on the lake and find out the motor for my tower was toast. Or how about a week long vacation to some place where the local MC dealers is 4+ hours away and they have to FedEx in a $2000 part just to get the tower to work? At the very least (and have others have suggested), there needs to be a manual override.

What happened to the "cool" mechanical sunpad/hatch that was around for a few years?

CantRepeat
01-12-2011, 01:07 PM
HID systems are around $400 bucks now.

sand2snow22
01-12-2011, 01:30 PM
Hey Everyone!

I thought I would start a thread dedicated to the new Power Tower. I want to be able to post pics of what we are working on so you can see all of the cool accessories in the works.

Here are 2 pictures of the new front facing LEDs and Rear Facing LEDs. Pretty SICK!!

On the side of the tower, you can see the 2 pods on the sides. Those are the front facing lights. Then there is a new rear facing set that you can see hanging under the center of the tower. Let me know what you think!!

http://i969.photobucket.com/albums/ae175/jdemory/PowerTower-Aux.jpg

http://i969.photobucket.com/albums/ae175/jdemory/PowerTower-Iso.jpg

Thanks,

Jim D.

Jim,

As always well done on the power tower, board racks, lights, bling, probably the bimini, etc. Room for improvement: side to side shake. The power tower I looked at had 4 tower speakers on it and I could get it to shake easily. Very annoying in choppy water, which MC's are supposed to be good at.

The topdeck had some flex in it, too. I don't know if it is the weight of the tower or what, but other competitors have you beat as far as being rock solid.

sand2snow22
01-12-2011, 01:35 PM
Here is a tower that you can fold with your little finger. It would be nice if we could get the MBD board racks and accessories on this tower....... ;)

Kudos to PSBC for thinking outside of the box. This is basically a 2011 X-2 that can be had near $60k, which is still a ton of money, but better than $80k..

ddanenberger
01-12-2011, 03:15 PM
I agree with Tootall.
I looked at a 2011 SAN 230. Loosen one hand lever at each base of tower, fold forward to level with the windshield, boat can be driven with tower down. Boat cover covers and protects tower speakers.
I love the clamping system on the MC towers, but think a simple non-mechanical forward folding tower would be less expensive and more reliable than the power tower.

I agree the SAN has a easy tower to operate, but folds back on the sundeck just like the other MC towers. The power tower at least stays elevated above the interior in the down position. Each of the other manufactures have great aspects of their towers but none are perfect. I seems with each design sacrafices have to be made. As a user that has to go under bridges every outing, the new tower is going to save a lot of wear and tear, but I am concerned about no manual overides. If this fails up we can not get back to the dock.

JohnE
01-12-2011, 03:22 PM
I'm absolutely shocked that there are no manual overides. Every electric motor will fail eventually.

Kyle's_prostar205
01-12-2011, 03:35 PM
If those lights are going to be LED that is a great decision! I work for the biggest manufacturing company of LED products and can say that LED is by far the best thing to hit the lighting market. The lifespan, cost, and value are heads and tails above any halogen product! My company specilizes in the warning light market but would love to talk to some people who might be willing to listen at MC and see if there is a way we can produce special LED light products to fit the MC build. We are the ONLY lighting comapny to be 100% designed, produced, engineered and manufactured in the USA!

www.whelen.com

sand2snow22
01-12-2011, 03:46 PM
If those lights are going to be LED that is a great decision! I work for the biggest manufacturing company of LED products and can say that LED is by far the best thing to hit the lighting market. The lifespan, cost, and value are heads and tails above any halogen product! My company specilizes in the warning light market but would love to talk to some people who might be willing to listen at MC and see if there is a way we can produce special LED light products to fit the MC build. We are the ONLY lighting comapny to be 100% designed, produced, engineered and manufactured in the USA!

www.whelen.com

Now you tell me, just switched my trailer lights to LED's :mad:

BTV
01-12-2011, 06:40 PM
I agree the SAN has a easy tower to operate, but folds back on the sundeck just like the other MC towers. The power tower at least stays elevated above the interior in the down position. Each of the other manufactures have great aspects of their towers but none are perfect. I seems with each design sacrafices have to be made. As a user that has to go under bridges every outing, the new tower is going to save a lot of wear and tear, but I am concerned about no manual overides. If this fails up we can not get back to the dock.

Not on the 2011 SAN 230. It folds forward and doesn't touch any seats. Rock solid, front to back and side to side. Hate to say it, but better than MC tower in my opinion.

vision
01-12-2011, 08:07 PM
Not on the 2011 SAN 230. It folds forward and doesn't touch any seats. Rock solid, front to back and side to side. Hate to say it, but better than MC tower in my opinion.

Yeah, but man is it ugly.

coz
01-13-2011, 02:56 PM
Yeah, but man is it ugly.

Compared to this they're beautiful :D

http://images.craigslist.org/3ne3ka3l15O15T35W3b1ab3279926b874195e.jpg
http://images.craigslist.org/3mb3ob3ld5Y65Z25R1b1a10a78c8ec3261b8d.jpg
http://images.craigslist.org/3na3m63p35Z05Q15R3b1a34d820915cde1297.jpg

http://sacramento.craigslist.org/boa/2154236860.html

thatsmrmastercraft
01-13-2011, 03:25 PM
Compared to this they're beautiful :D

http://images.craigslist.org/3ne3ka3l15O15T35W3b1ab3279926b874195e.jpg
http://images.craigslist.org/3mb3ob3ld5Y65Z25R1b1a10a78c8ec3261b8d.jpg
http://images.craigslist.org/3na3m63p35Z05Q15R3b1a34d820915cde1297.jpg

http://sacramento.craigslist.org/boa/2154236860.html

I'm completely at a loss for words.

CantRepeat
01-13-2011, 04:21 PM
Compared to this they're beautiful :D

http://images.craigslist.org/3ne3ka3l15O15T35W3b1ab3279926b874195e.jpg
http://images.craigslist.org/3mb3ob3ld5Y65Z25R1b1a10a78c8ec3261b8d.jpg
http://images.craigslist.org/3na3m63p35Z05Q15R3b1a34d820915cde1297.jpg

http://sacramento.craigslist.org/boa/2154236860.html


OK, gang! My 06 is offically for sale! I need the cash to jump on this gem!

H20BOY
01-13-2011, 04:32 PM
OK, gang! My 06 is offically for sale! I need the cash to jump on this gem!

If he can get $25000 for that, you should ask $150000 for yours.

BIGBADBLUE
01-13-2011, 04:44 PM
Does he have a 12KVA generator to power all that?

MachinedConcepts
01-13-2011, 05:50 PM
Design looks pretty good, although it took some time to grow on me. I am a huge fan of the 05/06 towers the most. From an industrial design perspective, I think the lines of it were the nicest looking.

Would be nice to see some additional accommodations for more boards (i.e. surf boards, extra wakeboards, etc..)

Would also be curious to see what the bimini looks like for this tower, and how it interferes or works around the tower folding down

Other than that, looks great Jim.

Side note: SAN's have probably what I would consider the ugliest towers on the planet, just sayin..

MachinedConcepts
01-13-2011, 05:52 PM
Compared to this they're beautiful :D

http://images.craigslist.org/3ne3ka3l15O15T35W3b1ab3279926b874195e.jpg
http://images.craigslist.org/3mb3ob3ld5Y65Z25R1b1a10a78c8ec3261b8d.jpg
http://images.craigslist.org/3na3m63p35Z05Q15R3b1a34d820915cde1297.jpg

http://sacramento.craigslist.org/boa/2154236860.html

That is pretty much the most amazing thing I have ever laid my eyes on.

CantRepeat
01-13-2011, 08:55 PM
That is pretty much the most amazing thing I have ever laid my eyes on.

Yup, its for sure not a why, but a why not kind of thing, right? :confused:

Robia
01-19-2011, 03:56 AM
Guys,seriously........some of the negative comments belong back with the caveman......the convenience of pushing a button to drop tower is awesome. I mean my spare time is precious and manually dropping a xstar tower with the goodies attached to it (that i choose)is time consuming when you have to empty boat, clean boat, reverse into shed, towel down etc etc not many garages around with high ceilings and do all this after having a couple of rides myself???? well...... Mastercraft, POWER TOWER IS A GREAT IDEA. As well as this I have to idle under a bridge to get to lake and drop tower, but dropping it with a flick of a switch..... thats for me. Have already ordered my Parks edition Xstar with Black power tower and super charged engine, definitely going to make my life easier especially when my son rides 5 times a week. Cant wait for it to arrive...any chance you can post me some production photos mastercraft?????

sand2snow22
01-19-2011, 12:23 PM
Gene is that you?

aaron.
01-19-2011, 12:33 PM
.........Have already ordered my Parks edition Xstar with Black power tower and super charged engine, definitely going to make my life easier especially when my son rides 5 times a week. Cant wait for it to arrive...any chance you can post me some production photos mastercraft?????

omjesus i'm jealous.

flipper
01-19-2011, 01:19 PM
Gotta be Gene

sand2snow22
01-19-2011, 01:33 PM
Dr. B???????

flipper
01-19-2011, 01:40 PM
Quite possible

mess33
01-19-2011, 05:18 PM
Can I put one on an 08 214? I keep it in a boat lift and this would be just the ticket for avoiding the hassle of raising and lowering the tower.

MasterCraftByDesign
01-19-2011, 05:57 PM
Jim,

As always well done on the power tower, board racks, lights, bling, probably the bimini, etc. Room for improvement: side to side shake. The power tower I looked at had 4 tower speakers on it and I could get it to shake easily. Very annoying in choppy water, which MC's are supposed to be good at.

The topdeck had some flex in it, too. I don't know if it is the weight of the tower or what, but other competitors have you beat as far as being rock solid.

Hey Sand,

Can you tell me when you had the power tower that was swaying? We have had many versions come out, and I will tell you, that the most recent version does not move. If you shake the tower, the entire boat shakes. It is so stable that it all moves as one.

Also, any MasterCraft ordered with a power tower is supposed to be reinforced on the hull to avoid any bending in the boat. Please give me a little more info so I can find out if this problem has been fixed with our new versions.

Thanks,

Jim D.
www.mastercraftbydesign.com
www.mastercraftboatsofchicago.com

ddanenberger
01-19-2011, 07:00 PM
Jim any news on the release date for the Bimini? Do you have a image of what it looks like yet?

Archimedes
01-19-2011, 08:45 PM
The thread is too funny. What many of you fail to realize is that most of you (and me), the MC customers of the last 20 years, are NOT the target market for Mastercraft for the next 20 years.

Regarding the topic at hand, I still don't like the white light produced by LEDs. I know it has improved a lot in the last decade, but it still looks dirty to me compared to halogen.

ddanenberger
01-19-2011, 08:52 PM
It is all give and take... LED's last longer, hold up better in a rough enviroment, don't get hot, less bugs, and has little to no battery drain. Everything is going LED even cars.

sand2snow22
01-19-2011, 09:17 PM
Hey Sand,

Can you tell me when you had the power tower that was swaying? We have had many versions come out, and I will tell you, that the most recent version does not move. If you shake the tower, the entire boat shakes. It is so stable that it all moves as one.

Also, any MasterCraft ordered with a power tower is supposed to be reinforced on the hull to avoid any bending in the boat. Please give me a little more info so I can find out if this problem has been fixed with our new versions.

Thanks,

Jim D

Jim,

Thanks for listening. I know we can be a tough crowd. To be fair, the boat was a new 2011 X45 at my dealer on a trailer. Maybe 1-2 weeks ago, our boat show just ended so they just received new boats prior to the show. I did not water test, but I did climb in and poke my head around and played with the tower.

On the trailer there was some movement and I could see the tower move with the boat, but I could also see the topdeck flex a little more than the rest of the boat. Now, this doesn't mean it will translate into side to side action on the water........But, I can shake my 05 tower on the trailer AND it shakes on the water in chop. It is a pet peeve of mine. I would like to water test one, but our river is near flood stage with trees floating by...

Is the tower reinforced down to the hull and/or stringers? I truly hope that I am wrong and I hope the day of the youtube shaking MC power tower with gel coat spider cracks never comes... Other than that, I still drink the koolaid, MC is rising above the competition and pulling further ahead....This was evident when I climbed around on a BU sunpad that felt like plywood......The new MC vinyl, stitching (also found in Bentley's?!?), engines, towers, gel coats, etc.....But there is always room for improvement, BIG might get improved in 2012?

SeattleRod-Xstar
01-19-2011, 09:23 PM
The two designs posted look awesome! I have a very basic tower in my '98 X-Star & would love to upgrade it to one of these. The boat show is coming to Seattle this weekend so I will check them out! Nice work.

Archimedes
01-20-2011, 12:52 AM
Everything is going LED even cars.

Not headlights.

ddanenberger
01-20-2011, 08:23 AM
just around the corner

"Audi xenon plus headlights with LED daytime running lights"

The signature Audi xenon plus headlights with LED daytime running lights and high-intensity headlights not only add a distinct look to the vehicle, they also improve visibility while using half of the energy of conventional bulbs.

FourFourty
01-20-2011, 09:05 AM
just around the corner

"Audi xenon plus headlights with LED daytime running lights"

The signature Audi xenon plus headlights with LED daytime running lights and high-intensity headlights not only add a distinct look to the vehicle, they also improve visibility while using half of the energy of conventional bulbs.

The LEDs, that audi is using, are just for bling and DRL. LEDs will have to come a long way before they could ever hold a candle to HIDs for headlight use.......

thatsmrmastercraft
01-20-2011, 11:50 PM
Just saw the Power Tower at the Minneapolis Boat Show. Way more impressive in person than I expected. I didn't think I would like it but I definitely did. The tower was mounted on an X-25. No sway detected......any movement was from the boat movement. Power operation was really cool.

carlsonwa
01-21-2011, 12:07 AM
The LEDs, that audi is using, are just for bling and DRL. LEDs will have to come a long way before they could ever hold a candle to HIDs for headlight use.......

Thats not entirely true, the first production vehicle to use LED for main low beam was the 2008 Lexus LS 600H sedan, they still use standard filament bulbs for high beam. Also optional on the 2010 Toyota Prius. I am sure someday this or HID will be standard.



I should snap a few pics if my boat wasn't in storage of the fog lights I installed on my new dimension tower last summer. I installed projector fog lights with 6000K HID.

carlsonwa
01-21-2011, 12:08 AM
Just saw the Power Tower at the Minneapolis Boat Show. Way more impressive in person than I expected. I didn't think I would like it but I definitely did. The tower was mounted on an X-25. No sway detected......any movement was from the boat movement. Power operation was really cool.

I am heading there on Saturday afternoon, can't wait to check it out!

mikey.145
01-21-2011, 11:03 AM
The new tower design is starting to grow on me. My only advice would be to get rid of those 80's dirt bike fork boot looking things around the actuators!

sand2snow22
01-31-2011, 03:58 PM
Jim,

This is my fear for you and MC. I did not have anything to do with these videos and of course I found them on a competing brand website. I wish you could see the tower in these videos, hard to say what it is doing... Just trying to prepare you guys.....

http://www.woofiles.com/dl-225771-ApXVvA4O-powertower

http://www.woofiles.com/dl-225772-KMffyWTw-powertower2

MIskier
01-31-2011, 04:17 PM
That looks like the deck was not reinforced during the build as it should have been...Not good. Also appeared to that one of the boats was an X-45 which has very large cut outs.

Sodar
01-31-2011, 04:36 PM
Jim,

This is my fear for you and MC. I did not have anything to do with these videos and of course I found them on a competing brand website. I wish you could see the tower in these videos, hard to say what it is doing... Just trying to prepare you guys.....

http://www.woofiles.com/dl-225771-ApXVvA4O-powertower

http://www.woofiles.com/dl-225772-KMffyWTw-powertower2

WHOLEE SHNICKIES!!!!

That looks horrible. That is an X-25, right?

sand2snow22
01-31-2011, 04:38 PM
WHOLEE SHNICKIES!!!!

That looks horrible. That is an X-25, right?

Not sure, I think the 2nd video is a X25, the first video looks like a bigger boat......

ShawnB
01-31-2011, 04:51 PM
#2 is definitely an x25. First might be an x45? That looks damning but, of course, it could be one of the early prototypes.

scott023
01-31-2011, 04:58 PM
I have to wait until I get home to see this... the anticipation is killing me.

TX.X-30 fan
01-31-2011, 04:58 PM
It makes the whole deck and everything in it flex and deform, makes the boat look like a cheap POS.

brucemac
01-31-2011, 05:11 PM
i understand the point of the videos, but why not show the whole tower? shouldn't the boat flex a little?

captain planet
01-31-2011, 05:12 PM
I wish I could see what you are talking about???

What happened?

TX.X-30 fan
01-31-2011, 05:13 PM
i understand the point of the videos, but why not show the whole tower? shouldn't the boat flex a little?




I bet you could rip a chunk out of the gunwale. Be like a big guy behind the boat on a doubl-up roller.

FourFourty
01-31-2011, 05:14 PM
The power towers that I shook at the dealer between Knoxville and Nashville (cant remember the town) last week did not do that. They were very sturdy....Kinda made me wish I had opted for the ZFT5, and then saw my boat at the MC factory with the ZFT3 and decided I made the right choice. I got to see the brackets they are now using for them in the assembly line, and they look pretty stout. I did shake a few different ones pretty hard. They had a little flex, but most of the movement was the whole boat moving. I certainly didnt see any flexing like those videos, and I shook really hard. I was trying to find another reason to pat myself on the back for going ZFT3, But didnt find one.

brucemac
01-31-2011, 05:16 PM
yeah not defending it, it does look bad, but it is odd they don't show the whole tower.

TX.X-30 fan
01-31-2011, 05:16 PM
I don't want my boat/gunwale to flex like that ever.

TX.X-30 fan
01-31-2011, 05:17 PM
yeah not defending it, it does look bad, but it is odd they don't show the whole tower.



Grape or cherry...............:D

brucemac
01-31-2011, 05:18 PM
Ha!!!!!!!!!

Sodar
01-31-2011, 05:24 PM
i understand the point of the videos, but why not show the whole tower? shouldn't the boat flex a little?

That is far from a little! The sun pad hatches are popping up the deck is deforming so badly!

trickskier
01-31-2011, 05:29 PM
I wish I could see what you are talking about???

What happened?

Try opening your eyes --- :D

captain planet
01-31-2011, 05:30 PM
Try opening your eyes --- :D

my computer won't open the file....so literally I can't see. :(

M-Funf
01-31-2011, 05:31 PM
WHOLEE SHNICKIES!!!!

That looks horrible. That is an X-25, right?

I have to wait until I get home to see this... the anticipation is killing me.

I bet you could rip a chunk out of the gunwale. Be like a big guy behind the boat on a doubl-up roller.

That is far from a little! The sun pad hatches are popping up the deck is deforming so badly!

Crappy stock Tower Pads


8p

TX.X-30 fan
01-31-2011, 05:35 PM
my computer won't open the file....so literally I can't see. :(



Open it with quicktime player after you save to downloads CP

MIskier
01-31-2011, 05:44 PM
The first boat is an X-45 and the second is a 25. Those arent the early prototype boats though, I do however believe that the stiffner that the tower bolts through were not installed alllowing the deck to deform like that

frosty
01-31-2011, 05:59 PM
my computer won't open the file....so literally I can't see. :(

Open it with quicktime player after you save to downloads CP

My computer downloaded them without a file extension, try adding .mpg to them, then quicktime likes them.

G-Star
01-31-2011, 06:09 PM
$5 says those towers were just thrown onto those boats for the purposes of a boat show.
You know - like the cars at SEMA that look real purdy but don't actually run? Stuff gets glued together the night before the show...

No manufacturer could get away with actually building something like that as a production model. Show only.

If I'm wrong, the first big guy to take a big cut into the wake is going to twist his $90k boat in half and watch it sink.

CantRepeat
01-31-2011, 06:12 PM
It looks more like the mass of the tower is too much for the boat. IE The tower is not shaking but the boat is being flexed by the weight of the tower.

TX.X-30 fan
01-31-2011, 06:32 PM
It looks more like the mass of the tower is too much for the boat. IE The tower is not shacking but the boat is being flexed by the weight of the tower.




I think your onto something there.......:D

Jeff Lyman
01-31-2011, 06:32 PM
That's shocking someone should get MC to view that video and answer the questions. I only partially agree with a show boat only not completed, There is a major structural problem there that a few bolts will not solve. They need to add some more bulk heads in the gunnels or....
The one pic shows even the front seats moving that are connected to the floors that are connected to the gunnels, ouch.

I'm sick to my stomach and now my knees hurt even more!

FancySauceRules
01-31-2011, 06:35 PM
What a joke....something has been altered on those boats. No power tower would be sold after a test ride if that were the case. You think Parks rides behind that? I still am amazed that people put together videos like that and are shocked when they get sued.

TX.X-30 fan
01-31-2011, 06:40 PM
What a joke....something has been altered on those boats. No power tower would be sold after a test ride if that were the case. You think Parks rides behind that? I still am amazed that people put together videos like that and are shocked when they get sued.




Those guys bought 175,000 dollars worth of boats to do 2 15sec. video clips???

And all just to make MC look bad?? I think I saw a puff of smoke on the grassy knoll.....:D

vision
01-31-2011, 07:26 PM
I agree, not a tower problem, but a boat structure problem! I do not care what type of tower you have on a MC, there should not be that much torsional flex in the boat.

sand2snow22
01-31-2011, 09:49 PM
It looks more like the mass of the tower is too much for the boat. IE The tower is not shacking but the boat is being flexed by the weight of the tower.

Maybe so. I'm no engineer, but the new design only has 2 places to spread that weight instead of 4.

G-Star
01-31-2011, 10:06 PM
Maybe so. I'm no engineer, but the new design only has 2 places to spread that weight instead of 4.

Malibu and Nautique made it work... :confused:

ShawnB
02-01-2011, 01:20 AM
I have ridden behind the ZFT5p and it didn't flex anything like that. The riding quality is pretty questionable in this video but I really didn't like the wake in the X-Star. Focus more on the tower and you can see it move a little but nothing like the other videos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz8P3J876qE

craig3972
02-01-2011, 01:53 AM
Before tower stiffeners came into vogue, I would curse my 06 xstar tower for having so much sway movement side to side and wish i could get stiffeners for my old boat.
Now I have come to believe that a tower that is allowed some motion does not transfer all of its energy into the hull in one event. example; driving along the lake ,hit a big wave that jars the boat violently. A rigidly mounted tower loaded with 4 boards and 4 speakers is forced to dissipate almost all of its energy in a short period of time into the deck where it is mounted. The tower that is allowed to move will send some of its energy into swaying the tower side to side thus putting its energy into the deck of a longer duration. less of an energy spike.

Its annoying to have a tower swaying around but the alternative could be what happened with the zero flex flyer tower I had on my 01. The welds began to crack. This was common on that model of tower. I used to use that tower as a diving platform it was so rigid.

as for the power tower - soon we we all have them, like, integrated ballast, perfect pass,board racks and fuel injection.

H20skeefreek
02-01-2011, 09:26 AM
before tower stiffeners came into vogue, I would curse my 06 xstar tower for having so much sway movement side to side and wish i could get stiffeners for my old boat.
Now I have come to believe that a tower that is allowed some motion does not transfer all of its energy into the hull in one event. example; driving along the lake ,hit a big wave that jars the boat violently. A rigidly mounted tower loaded with 4 boards and 4 speakers is forced to dissipate almost all of its energy in a short period of time into the deck where it is mounted. The tower that is allowed to move will send some of its energy into swaying the tower side to side thus putting its energy into the deck of a longer duration. less of a spike of energy.

Its annoying to have a tower swaying around but the alternative could be what happened with the zero flex flyer tower I had on my 01. The welds began to crack. This was common on that model of tower. I used to use that tower as a diving platform it was so ridged.

as for the power tower - soon we we all have them, like, integrated ballast, perfect pass,board racks and fuel injection.
I can guarantee that we won't ALL have them!

MasterCraftByDesign
02-01-2011, 10:21 AM
Hi all,

The early version of the Power Tower did have some issues, but keep in mind, that was over a year ago. Since then, MasterCraft has been reinforcing the boats to handle the extra weight of the Power Tower. We have also decreased the weight of the PT significantly since then.

If you have seen the new tower at a boat show, go ahead and give it a shake. It does not wobble or bend the boat at all. It is very sturdy and looks great.

Any power tower that is out in the public will work great.

Thanks,

Jim D.

MIskier
02-01-2011, 10:57 AM
That's shocking someone should get MC to view that video and answer the questions. I only partially agree with a show boat only not completed, There is a major structural problem there that a few bolts will not solve. They need to add some more bulk heads in the gunnels or....
The one pic shows even the front seats moving that are connected to the floors that are connected to the gunnels, ouch.

I'm sick to my stomach and now my knees hurt even more!

Trust me that is not how the towers normally act...the stiffners that should be in the hull are not there. Plenty of testing was done to insure that the towers were stable before it was released to the public.

As for the weight the tower isnt significantly heavier than the ZFT3 tower, it looks like it should be insanely heavy but it isnt.

craig3972
02-01-2011, 11:26 AM
I can guarantee that we won't ALL have them!

keep hanging onto the past

TX.X-30 fan
02-01-2011, 07:00 PM
keep hanging onto the past




I read where those 2 boats that racked and deformed were at a recent boat show, and if you looked he rides a slalom boat and many of those guys could give for any tower.

So If they were at a recent winter boat show how did that happen?

trickskier
02-01-2011, 07:14 PM
I read where those 2 boats that racked and deformed were at a recent boat show, and if you looked he rides a slalom boat and many of those guys could give for any tower.

So If they were at a recent winter boat show how did that happen?

Where did you read it?

sand2snow22
02-01-2011, 07:23 PM
Where did you read it?

This is where I found it, post 17 and post 48:

http://www.themalibucrew.com/forums/index.php?/topic/30261-went-to-the-boat-show-yesterday/

trickskier
02-01-2011, 07:33 PM
This is where I found it, post 17 and post 48:

http://www.themalibucrew.com/forums/index.php?/topic/30261-went-to-the-boat-show-yesterday/

Post 17 only eludes to the videos already posted --- Couldn't get to post 48 :(.

I take anything posted on a competitions forum with a grain of salt. Just as I do about what is posted here about the competition.

TX.X-30 fan
02-01-2011, 07:48 PM
Post 48........... As trick said it is a competing boat site. I do tend to believe everything i read on the net though............:rolleyes:

Those vids were made somewhere though.



Minneapolis show... They had an X-Star and I believe X-25 with that tower on.... Someone told me to go shake it. It doesn't take much of a shake to see the deck flexing...

TX.X-30 fan
02-01-2011, 07:51 PM
I think most wives would agree too much "deck" flex is not acceptable.........

trickskier
02-01-2011, 07:57 PM
Post 48........... As trick said it is a competing boat site. I do tend to believe everything i read on the net though............:rolleyes:

Those vids were made somewhere though.



Minneapolis show... They had an X-Star and I believe X-25 with that tower on.... Someone told me to go shake it. It doesn't take much of a shake to see the deck flexing...

But they're shaking the tower from side to side. It's meant to have pressure from the rear (No pun intended) --- :rolleyes:

I will agree with you that it didn't seem to take much to warp the deck though. But MC's say's that's been taken care of with stiffeners --- Can you buy them over the counter??? :confused:

TX.X-30 fan
02-01-2011, 08:14 PM
Been a bunch of threads here lately about stiffeners you can buy online.

trickskier
02-01-2011, 08:29 PM
Been a bunch of threads here lately about stiffeners you can buy online.

I think Mod-X bought up all the surplus --- 8p

scott023
02-01-2011, 08:59 PM
Been a bunch of threads here lately about stiffeners you can buy online.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Indeed.

REDX2
02-01-2011, 09:30 PM
Ok guys the first thing if you watch the first video the boats deck is opened a little bit so its not latched so yes its going to move and the second is the video only show just what a competetor wanted you to see not the hole boat.
Im very sure these towers will be fine, do you honestly think Mastercraft would release a boat that had a problem like this.
so this hole thred is showing that a competetor got what they wanted to try and show a nick in Mastercrafts armer, but it just isnt there

brucemac
02-01-2011, 10:05 PM
i just keep coming back to why didn't they now show the entire boat and tower when they did it and then pan down to the gunwale shot?

time will tell i suppose. who am i kidding though, not like i could spring for one anyway. :D

they are growing on me though. for the price of those boats, you'd think they'd get it right, but stranger things have happened.

cbryan70
02-01-2011, 10:16 PM
Ok guys the first thing if you watch the first video the boats deck is opened a little bit so its not latched so yes its going to move and the second is the video only show just what a competetor wanted you to see not the hole boat.
Im very sure these towers will be fine, do you honestly think Mastercraft would release a boat that had a problem like this.
so this hole thred is showing that a competetor got what they wanted to try and show a nick in Mastercrafts armer, but it just isnt there

Just like C*sh R**ards

captain planet
02-02-2011, 12:37 PM
I have seen the videos finally and two things come to mind. First, the back deck/sundeck of the boat looks like it is up slightly which will make it move independently of the deck to some degree. Also, was the boat sitting on a trailer or those movable stands? That may have something to do with it also.

Just to add something, it is a structural flaw that the video implies. I don't know if those boats were first run prototypes, I really have no idea but something is off about that and it isn't typical of what you see from MC.

Accuse me of drinking the kool-aid if you wish, but questionable structural integrity and MasterCraft really can't even be mentioned in the same sentence. All of this coming from a site who's boats have hollow stringers due to manufacturing shortcomings which is passed of as some type of "ventilation system". I scoff at the implication of inferior construction from such a crowd.

FWIW, I'm not really a fan of the look of the new tower and I'm not sold on the two point mounting system this type of tower uses. But as mentioned before, if bu and ski antique made it work, MC will definately make it work, and they will make it work better.

TX.X-30 fan
02-02-2011, 02:19 PM
Grape.............

captain planet
02-02-2011, 02:31 PM
Grape.............

As long as it is natural and there isn't any Red 40 in it, I'm fine with it.

jbkriss
02-02-2011, 02:52 PM
Just like C*sh R**ards

Exactly! Everyone makes mistakes, even MC. You just go back to work and make it better.

mastercraft210
02-02-2011, 02:59 PM
There was one x35 with powertower on the Dusseldorf boatshow last week.The tower was shake on the boat and you could see the boat bending.I like the design but if it is like the one on the show i don't take one for now.


Hi all,

The early version of the Power Tower did have some issues, but keep in mind, that was over a year ago. Since then, MasterCraft has been reinforcing the boats to handle the extra weight of the Power Tower. We have also decreased the weight of the PT significantly since then.

If you have seen the new tower at a boat show, go ahead and give it a shake. It does not wobble or bend the boat at all. It is very sturdy and looks great.

Any power tower that is out in the public will work great.

Thanks,

Jim D.

corey
02-02-2011, 03:21 PM
Perhaps the pot calling the kettle black http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6V_AJSZ9DMI

sand2snow22
02-02-2011, 04:39 PM
Perhaps the pot calling the kettle black http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6V_AJSZ9DMI

I've always wondered why I haven't seen any with tower speakers on around here. Now I know! Thanks Corey

MattsCraft
02-02-2011, 04:54 PM
Perhaps the pot calling the kettle black http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6V_AJSZ9DMI

Nice Corey - Thanks for posting that, I looked at the Maliboo tower at this year’s boat show, did not shake it, however if you look closely they also run speaker, camera, lights etc wiring on the outside of the tower attached with cable ties!!! Nice, not...

A couple other points - There prized Axis "Price Point Boat" tower is so low, and also close to the sun deck you physically have to be a contortionist to get into the boat under the tower, I am 5’ 11’ and cannot stand up in the boat without hitting my head. They do make a good point however for younger people; they can get into a wake boat and a truck to haul it for about same price as an MC, just not the boat for me personally!

The second point, which just stands to reason, I am not a structural engineer, but, I don’t think any 2 point tower system will be as rigid as a 4 point for sway. My ’09 tower, does flex side to side some, however what I believe is a huge MC advantage is how the tower mounts to the boat “Large Pads” combined with a flex point that is above the fiberglass. I personally like the power tower and I am considering it. MSRP is not $10K either unless you are including the cost of 4 speakers. All towers are going to flex, I guess the point is how much and will the gel and fiberglass stand up over time with normal abuse. i.e. riders rough water etc. I know I have been in some pretty rough water and my tower has shook quite a bit, to date and 200 hours later the gel is perfect, no spiders etc. MC needs to insure prospective buyers they have tested and abused this design and it will hold up as good as or better than the existing 4 point system. Lastly, I think a great aspect of this tower is the ability to easily lower it for towing, reducing any sway/stress while towing @ 70MPH down the highway!

OK – Rant over, I will step down of my soap box!:D

willyt
02-02-2011, 05:49 PM
A couple other points - There prized Axis "Price Point Boat" tower is so low, and also close to the sun deck you physically have to be a contortionist to get into the boat under the tower, I am 5’ 11’ and cannot stand up in the boat without hitting my head. They do make a good point however for younger people; they can get into a wake boat and a truck to haul it for about same price as an MC, just not the boat for me personally!

... I know I have been in some pretty rough water and my tower has shook quite a bit, to date and 200 hours later the gel is perfect, no spiders etc...



Young people can get into an MC too ;)

Rough water that comes over the bow in a certain river perhaps? ;)


Perhaps the axis was designed by someone around my height...

MattsCraft
02-02-2011, 06:27 PM
Young people can get into an MC too ;)

Rough water that comes over the bow in a certain river perhaps? ;)


Perhaps the axis was designed by someone around my height...

Yes, well you are an exception to that rule my man, in many ways8p. And yes the Ohio on Saturday afternnon in front of the city can be quite head jarring at cruise speed!

TX.X-30 fan
02-02-2011, 07:18 PM
I like the finger pointing but it still leaves the question unanswered.

sully
02-02-2011, 07:32 PM
Seen the power tower at Minneapolis boat show, very impressive. Didn't notice if the board rack were removable or not. Seen a competitors were the board racks were removable. I would suggest that. I really liked that and wish mine were the same way on my X14. I'm cutting a little close with my 7'-6" garage door opening. Another thing that would be nice is to be able to carry more items. With my son having wakeboard, my slalom ski and my wife's combo ski's not enough slots for all the items. Maybe I should have started another thread? Sorry for the thread jack.

H20skeefreek
02-02-2011, 08:16 PM
I have seen the videos finally and two things come to mind. First, the back deck/sundeck of the boat looks like it is up slightly which will make it move independently of the deck to some degree. Also, was the boat sitting on a trailer or those movable stands? That may have something to do with it also.

Just to add something, it is a structural flaw that the video implies. I don't know if those boats were first run prototypes, I really have no idea but something is off about that and it isn't typical of what you see from MC.

Accuse me of drinking the kool-aid if you wish, but questionable structural integrity and MasterCraft really can't even be mentioned in the same sentence. All of this coming from a site who's boats have hollow stringers due to manufacturing shortcomings which is passed of as some type of "ventilation system". I scoff at the implication of inferior construction from such a crowd.

FWIW, I'm not really a fan of the look of the new tower and I'm not sold on the two point mounting system this type of tower uses. But as mentioned before, if bu and ski antique made it work, MC will definately make it work, and they will make it work better.
Unless you are getting a paycheck from MC, I don't understand why you'd be so loyal. The boat is a MC, and it shakes like the rear end of a rapstar's girl friend. The tower maker already jumped in and said it was an early application of the tower, which requires extra support, which they have now.

You are acting like MC has never had a problem....uh 1998 prostar 190's running up on shore. One of my ski buddie's 2002 MC couldn't go around the turn island without chine locking.....the fix was "hook the hull" and add a shorter rudder arm.....so you can't turn the wheel as far".....really? '06 and newer towers need extra support bars that took years to come out....my boat had bad red gelcoat that turned orange 2 years later......this stuff happens and it happens just as often with MC as anyone else. And the "ventilation" system on malibus might be their way to save costs and double as a "feature" but I tell you what, those boats ski awesome.



and to whoever mentioned it, Malibu does not make Axis boats.

duckguy
02-02-2011, 08:40 PM
Um, I think they do

http://www.wakeboarder.com/display.phtml?a=1626

thatsmrmastercraft
02-02-2011, 08:48 PM
Um, I think they do

http://www.wakeboarder.com/display.phtml?a=1626

.................................touche'

snork
02-02-2011, 08:50 PM
and to whoever mentioned it, Malibu does not make Axis boats.


For real, its got Bu all over it

FourFourty
02-02-2011, 09:43 PM
Um, I think they do

http://www.wakeboarder.com/display.phtml?a=1626

.................................touche'

For real, its got Bu all over it

http://www.halfthedeck.com/images/catowned.jpg

willyt
02-02-2011, 09:53 PM
Whoa whoa this has become quite the heated topic. Everyone settle down!! We're basing this whole conversation on two incomplete videos from an unknown source performed at an unspecified time. Look if you really want the answer for yourself, go to your local dealer, find a friend, fin someone on the lake, really doesn't matter how, but find someone with a power tower and shake it yourself.

Btw it was the 07 and newer towers that needed braces ;)

I'm just in here to poke fun at matt's lack of ability to avoid rollers (jk)
everyone chill out :) !!

H20skeefreek
02-02-2011, 09:58 PM
my bad, I asked the malibu rep if they were making them when they came out, b/c they looked exactly the same, and he said no. I see he was wrong.

Granite_33
02-02-2011, 10:47 PM
Nice Tower, Its got my vote.

Given that ANY boat with a forward swept tower is off my list permanently, I'm happy to see that MC avoided that trend.

MIskier
02-02-2011, 11:37 PM
Whoa whoa this has become quite the heated topic. Everyone settle down!! We're basing this whole conversation on two incomplete videos from an unknown source performed at an unspecified time. Look if you really want the answer for yourself, go to your local dealer, find a friend, fin someone on the lake, really doesn't matter how, but find someone with a power tower and shake it yourself.

Btw it was the 07 and newer towers that needed braces ;)

I'm just in here to poke fun at matt's lack of ability to avoid rollers (jk)
everyone chill out :) !!

I want to point out to everyone that there was extensive testing done on the tower and it is very structurally sound. Im not blowing smoke I've seen the testing happen, as well as how it all went together.

TX.X-30 fan
02-03-2011, 10:54 AM
Seen the power tower at Minneapolis boat show, very impressive. Didn't notice if the board rack were removable or not. Seen a competitors were the board racks were removable. I would suggest that. I really liked that and wish mine were the same way on my X14. I'm cutting a little close with my 7'-6" garage door opening. Another thing that would be nice is to be able to carry more items. With my son having wakeboard, my slalom ski and my wife's combo ski's not enough slots for all the items. Maybe I should have started another thread? Sorry for the thread jack.




Did you shake the tower?? Were those 2 boats at that show?

scott023
02-03-2011, 11:15 AM
I want to point out to everyone that there was extensive testing done on the tower and it is very structurally sound. Im not blowing smoke I've seen the testing happen, as well as how it all went together.

Can you please let us know what your affiliation with MC is? Are you a dealer?

thatsmrmastercraft
02-03-2011, 01:17 PM
Did you shake the tower?? Were those 2 boats at that show?

I was at the Mpls. Boat Show. There was an X-25 with a Power Tower that I grabbed onto and started to shake the boat around on the wood blocks. There was no perceptible movement to the tower. Then I leaned against the boat and shook the tower and still noe perceptible movement. Perhaps there would be a little if it were on a trailer........but there has to be some. I am not a tower guy, and I was impresed.

captain planet
02-03-2011, 01:38 PM
Unless you are getting a paycheck from MC, I don't understand why you'd be so loyal. The boat is a MC, and it shakes like the rear end of a rapstar's girl friend. The tower maker already jumped in and said it was an early application of the tower, which requires extra support, which they have now.

You are acting like MC has never had a problem....uh 1998 prostar 190's running up on shore. One of my ski buddie's 2002 MC couldn't go around the turn island without chine locking.....the fix was "hook the hull" and add a shorter rudder arm.....so you can't turn the wheel as far".....really? '06 and newer towers need extra support bars that took years to come out....my boat had bad red gelcoat that turned orange 2 years later......this stuff happens and it happens just as often with MC as anyone else. And the "ventilation" system on malibus might be their way to save costs and double as a "feature" but I tell you what, those boats ski awesome.



and to whoever mentioned it, Malibu does not make Axis boats.

I love how this comes up like it was a common occurance. First, I have 13 years and over 600 hours behind the wheel of a 1998 190 (when I'm not behind the boat), have had it loaded many different ways and have yet to have this happen. Hell, I've tried to get it to do it and I can't. Also, I know the driver that had this happen to him. He had either one or two guys hehind him on the driver side of the boat and tried to turn left IIRC. As for the 2002 and that problem, first I've heard of it. Unless you are talking about a turn island comparable to the one at Ohio University's old ski lake, I would think that a 197 wouldn't have a problem....then again I'm not where you are having this problem so I can't speak about your experience.

FWIW, my buddy had the Ski Ray that OU used for a year and we skiied the lake I'm referring to....the turn around island was so narrow and tight that when you went around the turn island the spray off the back of the boat would land on shore....and the skiier would lose sight of the driver because of the shore/weeds when going around the turn.

As for being on the payroll at MC. No. I've been through the plant on tours 3 different times and seen how they are made. I've seen how the other guys build them and there is no comparison, period. How a boat skiis is personal preference, how they are built is not. As for the towers in question and the tower maker chiming in on this. It is boat show season and they need to have product out in front of people so they can see it and touch it. If they brought a prototype that has since been improved upon, hey that happens. How many shows didn't have a 214 in their booths because there just weren't enough to go around teh year it came out? Quite a few, Cleveland included. So....maybe shame on them for bringing it out when it wasn't ready. But if they sell a few more units off of a prototype being in a show booth, then they accomplished what they were after.

Shooter McKevin
02-09-2011, 06:33 PM
I posted these in the Calgary Boat Show thread but I thought they should go here as well. I like the Power Tower a lot more now that I've seen it in person.

No comment on the tower shake, there's a whole new thread for that.

Power Tower Video Link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-7o-eCPFsY)

Parks Star is ridiculous. So nice!!
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JohnE
02-10-2011, 08:10 AM
I love how this comes up like it was a common occurance. First, I have 13 years and over 600 hours behind the wheel of a 1998 190 (when I'm not behind the boat), have had it loaded many different ways and have yet to have this happen. Hell, I've tried to get it to do it and I can't. Also, I know the driver that had this happen to him. He had either one or two guys hehind him on the driver side of the boat and tried to turn left IIRC. As for the 2002 and that problem, first I've heard of it. Unless you are talking about a turn island comparable to the one at Ohio University's old ski lake, I would think that a 197 wouldn't have a problem....then again I'm not where you are having this problem so I can't speak about your experience.


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Not sure about the '98's, but I have heard from reputable source that the early evo hulls would chine lock. That nobody from MC believed it until someone high up in the company ran it aground. The problem was explained to me that it was a symmetrical hull design. And that by slightly modifying it to be asymmetrical it cures the problem.

woodhog
02-23-2011, 09:31 PM
Looking forward to the 11' X 55 nest week. Former 23LSV driver

mattdda
02-23-2011, 09:46 PM
$$...?

It's expensive enough to own a used boat - I don't understand how people afford equipment like this. All this means to me is that my chances of owning a newer boat with cool stuff slides farther and farther away - along with the hope of easy maintenance. What's it gonna cost to replace the mechanical drives in that dude?!

hbomb
02-23-2011, 09:56 PM
totally agree..... boat ownership is like horse racing...."the sport of kings"
how do they own them....... work hard or have a very friendly bank manager and a wife who is already getting her maintenance payments
don't be put off...... if the GFC continues to hang around or the Pres chooses to do the same..... am sure the market may cater to some quick sales or...........
just hang around a few years and they will eventually be an old second hand boat that you can afford
easy maintenance you want........ buy a canoe because the current manufacturers are hell bent like the new cars being made....... eventually only the dealer will fix them
parts prices you ask...... ha.......... cheaper to have the thing stolen and pay the deductible that try and buy a new part!
perhaps the most important thing is do not be put off........ start at the bottom and work your way up and eventually you will own, provided it is a mastercraft, one of the best boats on the water today and i am biased!

MIskier
02-23-2011, 11:00 PM
The tower actuators are simple electric motors, nothing exotic or fancy.