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helton333
12-10-2010, 11:39 PM
Can somebody tell me what years again to avoid when the vinyl got cheap. I want to say it was early 2000's??

Scott
12-10-2010, 11:52 PM
Im pretty sure 03 and 04 are problematic years.

TX.X-30 fan
12-11-2010, 12:06 AM
Im pretty sure 03 and 04 are problematic years.




Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

helton333
12-11-2010, 12:11 AM
are there any in those years that don't have the issue? I am looking at an 03 prostar that has absolutely no issues after going on 8 years

tex
12-11-2010, 12:53 AM
2002 sucked too!

fentong
12-11-2010, 01:10 AM
2001 Martistar interior sucks bad. MY last boat was an 1988 Chris Craft I/O and the interior was mint when I sold it. MY 2001 Maristar's vinyl looks like crap. Mastercraft really messed up on this one.

swatguy
12-11-2010, 01:58 AM
if you ask me it was 2000-2003 for sure. possibly 2004. However most would have had to have it re-done by now.......so don't shy away. the aftermarket interior IS better. Just look closely at the piping. That is where it starts to tear first.

helton333
12-11-2010, 08:50 AM
I had heard 2001 for sure

east tx skier
12-11-2010, 10:16 AM
My buddy had a 2005 209 and the vinyl was spot on perfect. That may be the first good year back if you buy my anecdotal evidence.

atlfootr
12-11-2010, 10:18 AM
If you guys still need info. on certain years call ... Jim - "Upholstery Guy"!

east tx skier
12-11-2010, 10:22 AM
No thread is safe.

atlfootr
12-11-2010, 10:37 AM
Just try'n to help out and become a "hero" like you :)
To be completely honest, I don't make commissions on referrals;)

Sodar
12-11-2010, 11:45 AM
Vinyl for 2000-2004 was horrible. Thin and cheap. 2005 was the first year of the newer vinyl. They used this vinyl from 2005-2010. This year, they changed to a new carbon style vinyl. The reviews are still out on durability, but the looks are awesome!

TX.X-30 fan
12-11-2010, 12:27 PM
Vinyl for 2000-2004 was horrible. Thin and cheap. 2005 was the first year of the newer vinyl. They used this vinyl from 2005-2010. This year, they changed to a new carbon style vinyl. The reviews are still out on durability, but the looks are awesome!



Ding Ding Ding............................. And it was not only the vinyl it was the foam too.

LaRue
12-11-2010, 12:46 PM
so it appears i will have to wait to trade our 2000 until i can afford 2005 or newer. However, our vinyl seems to holding up very well but i agree, the newer look is much nicer!

east tx skier
12-11-2010, 02:09 PM
Just try'n to help out and become a "hero" like you :)
To be completely honest, I don't make commissions on referrals;)

Hey, I'm just glad you don't have a buddy that can enlarge the shaft on these boats. Otherwise, this forum would start to resemble my hotmail inbox. 8p

Hammer
12-11-2010, 02:23 PM
I've got an 01 that still looks perfect! And I have three kids tearing about in it. FWIW

MyCabinFever
12-11-2010, 05:59 PM
The word I uncovered, while boat shopping for my MariStar, was that from 2001-2003 MasterCraft changed the size needle they used to stitch the seams together. The larger needle is what caused most of the problems of rips forming across the seams. My advise is if you are considering purchasing a boat within the years listed above, either have seller deduct at least between $2000-$3000 to have interior replaced or in the case of my recent purchse, have the dealer replace the interior prior to buying the boat. See the before and after pics of the most troubled area.

JohnnyB
12-12-2010, 11:53 AM
Yup...really disappointed with my '04s vinyl. My '92 had better vinyl after 12 years than my '04 did after 3.

The8Ball
12-12-2010, 01:15 PM
98 PS 205...

Vinyl is perfect (unless I am the one poking holes in it, accidentally.)

JimN
12-12-2010, 06:37 PM
No thread is safe.

Is that a sewing joke?

jasonba1
12-12-2010, 07:15 PM
mycabinfever your boat looks good man. How have you been?

MyCabinFever
12-12-2010, 07:22 PM
Jason,
Broke my boat in KY style. The day I brought it home the temp dropped and it got covered with ice and snow.:mad: I was able to get it stored away for the winter, but looking for some warmer days to do a little cleaning on my new purchase. I don't think spring can come fast enough for me.
I will give you a call and catch up before Christmas.
Stephen

east tx skier
12-12-2010, 08:09 PM
Is that a sewing joke?

Unintentionally. :o

TayMC197
12-13-2010, 01:03 PM
I do know that the 04 X-star upholstry is a joke. MasterCraft won't acknowlege this flaw and has refused repeatedly to replace ours. I was really disappointed with this. My uncle has ownd MC's since 79 and untill this point was satisfied with MC products. He swears his next boat will be a Malibu or Nautique. I hate to say it but I can't blame him. Along with the bad upholstry, bad ballast guages, zero off problems, and a few other minor things that should fall under some kind of warranty, MC has straight up told him to F*** off...

KYX
12-13-2010, 05:34 PM
had on '01 X30 that was terrible.

captain planet
12-14-2010, 04:03 PM
The vinyl in the marine industry was horrible from 2000 to around 2004/2005. Everyone had problems with the vinyl due to the change in regulation on emissions during manufacturing of vinyl. Therefore the manufacturers had to change how they produced vinyl on the fly with little or no time to reformulate and test. If you look at the interior in most any brand boat during those years, the vinyl is bad.

FWIW, my 98 is perfect. The material is so good I was able to embroider the design in the seats which is over 100,000 stitches with no problems.

JimN
12-14-2010, 05:02 PM
The vinyl in the marine industry was horrible from 2000 to around 2004/2005. Everyone had problems with the vinyl due to the change in regulation on emissions during manufacturing of vinyl. Therefore the manufacturers had to change how they produced vinyl on the fly with little or no time to reformulate and test. If you look at the interior in most any brand boat during those years, the vinyl is bad.

Unless, as I think we all had agreed in the other long, drawn-out thread (no pun intended), a manufacturer had some of the old material in stock. AFAIK, it was a "material containing xxxxxxx ingredients is forbidden as of xx/xx/xxxx".

It was unfortunate that the EPA has to continue to operate this way. For some reason, they think a manufacturer can change the ingredients in their goods on the fly and know that it will work as well as the original version. Car manufacturers have had to deal with the EPA in this way re: gas formulations for decades. They come along to tell them that it has been changed and certain additives are now standard, so the car makers just guess at the air/fuel mixture until not long before it's time to roll them out.

ksdaoski
12-14-2010, 08:57 PM
The vinyl in the marine industry was horrible from 2000 to around 2004/2005. Everyone had problems with the vinyl due to the change in regulation on emissions during manufacturing of vinyl. Therefore the manufacturers had to change how they produced vinyl on the fly with little or no time to reformulate and test. If you look at the interior in most any brand boat during those years, the vinyl is bad.



Took them 5 yrs to figure it out? Doesn't seem like much of a "on the fly". And by looking at comparable comp boats, they didn't seem to have the overwhelming number of issues-

TX.X-30 fan
12-14-2010, 09:57 PM
Took them 5 yrs to figure it out? Doesn't seem like much of a "on the fly". And by looking at comparable comp boats, they didn't seem to have the overwhelming number of issues-




The sales #'s in those years went through the roof and 100% financing was normal, they never thought 2wice about some of this stuff. But when it hit the fan there was no money left to stand behind the products.

My 04 was loaded with poorly produced and ill fitting parts like dash and side panels and cushions.

JohnE
12-14-2010, 10:15 PM
My house was sided with hardy plank in 04 and it's peeling like a bastard. And the new stuff doesn't quite match. Where the heck is James these days?:D

Oh and my realtor sold me a little policy that I should be able to redeem in '11:D:D

TX.X-30 fan
12-15-2010, 08:40 AM
My house was sided with hardy plank in 04 and it's peeling like a bastard. And the new stuff doesn't quite match. Where the heck is James these days?:D

Oh and my realtor sold me a little policy that I should be able to redeem in '11:D:D



James is on a yacht somewhere in Australia, :D