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cbryan70
11-30-2010, 02:51 PM
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MasterCraft Boat Company Announces Exclusive Agreement with New Engine Partner, Ilmo
More... (http://clients.shoutlet.com/server/res/168557/36960/0/page)

cbryan70
11-30-2010, 03:23 PM
Basically looks like only Ilmor engines going forward after this model year.

JohnE
11-30-2010, 03:31 PM
Bryan you're right nobody seems to see TTAdmin's posts because they get buried quick.

It was also discussed in this old thread starting w post 46: http://mastercraft.com/teamtalk/showthread.php?t=38502

chippy1971
11-30-2010, 04:51 PM
So here are my thoughts. I think it is really dumb to be changing engines as Indmar has been the strongest marine engine for ski boats for a very long time.

unless I am missing something here and there have been warranty problems or mass failures, I think it is crazy.

Here is an example, the last boat I was skiing behind was my mates and he had an Indmar and it never ever broke down in the 10 years. He then upgraded his boat and they got a mercrusier as the motor and nothing but problems.

I think the real moral of the story is if it is not broken why would you change.

JimN
11-30-2010, 05:13 PM
So here are my thoughts. I think it is really dumb to be changing engines as Indmar has been the strongest marine engine for ski boats for a very long time.

unless I am missing something here and there have been warranty problems or mass failures, I think it is crazy.

Here is an example, the last boat I was skiing behind was my mates and he had an Indmar and it never ever broke down in the 10 years. He then upgraded his boat and they got a mercrusier as the motor and nothing but problems.

I think the real moral of the story is if it is not broken why would you change.

Indmar/MasterCraft calibrations are a lot more boat-specific than Mercruiser's- is it safe to assume he has a Malibu? They come off of the same production line at GM but after that, it's a night & day difference.

2RLAKE
11-30-2010, 05:22 PM
got to keep moving forward .... every company takes decisions to better position its company ... some of which we consumers might not fully understand. Ilmor is a very high tech, high performance engine designer/builder .... just like our beloved MC boats are hgh performance, right.

MCs are great boats with great people who push the envelope to make us better boats. If they didn't change they would have been surpassed instead of leading the industry ... innovators drive change they dont resist change

I'll take one .... in fact I volunteer to test one all next year!

JohnE
11-30-2010, 05:22 PM
Bryan just so you know if you look at the bottom of your op....I didn't edit your thread but viewed it in edit mode to try to figure out why the titles don't match. Couldn't figure it out.

JohnE
11-30-2010, 05:24 PM
How much is the Ilmor upgrade for 2011 between comparable 5.7's or 6.0's?

TX.X-30 fan
11-30-2010, 07:04 PM
I bet the change was for monitary reasons, in this market bottom line wins over reliability and quality.

ahhudgins
11-30-2010, 07:22 PM
I bet the change was for monitary reasons, in this market bottom line wins over reliability and quality.

I'd bet that the Ilmo sales rep brought better golf balls to all of the meetings.
But seriously, I hope it was a quality issue and NOT just the bottom line. But hey, times are getting tight all around.

TX.X-30 fan
11-30-2010, 07:35 PM
I'd bet that the Ilmo sales rep brought better golf balls to all of the meetings.
But seriously, I hope it was a quality issue and NOT just the bottom line. But hey, times are getting tight all around.




Only motor I see as problematic they had was the big block and most never had issues? I only owned the 350 which was bulletproof.

Barefooter92
11-30-2010, 10:11 PM
Here is a big reason why MC is sole sorurce to Ilmor. The owner of Ilmor is part owner of MC. Duh...you would push your own products too if you could.

east tx skier
11-30-2010, 11:37 PM
Here is a big reason why MC is sole sorurce to Ilmor. The owner of Ilmor is part owner of MC. Duh...you would push your own products too if you could.

I don't think Penske still has a stake in MasterCraft.

JohnE
12-01-2010, 08:37 AM
I don't think Penske still has a stake in MasterCraft.

Me neither, but when there wasn't the giant hype when he got out as there was in '07 when he got in.

FourFourty
12-01-2010, 08:42 AM
IMO, if it was about cost, the engines would be the LAST thing MC would have looked to change. It would be a much bigger money saver to switch the Aluminum/steel hardware manufacturer, and use more "run of the mill" parts like other boat companies. A very large portion of extra cost in a MC comes from having a dedicated fabricator for all of MCs unique parts, not to mention that most of them are CNCd out of solid aluminum.....

In the same regard, MC wants to set themselves apart by not using a "run of the mill" engine..... They want to be unique, and better than what the competition has to offer. There are already several features with an Ilmor that make them potentially more reliable and easier to work on than an Indmar. This should be a good move on MCs part, but that has yet to be proven....

And with Ilmor only making engines for MC, and the quality they look to posses, i highly doubt any money is being saved....... I wouldnt know that for sure though

TX.X-30 fan
12-01-2010, 09:41 AM
If cost is not an issue then why did they continue with a poorly designed fuel system for so long?

Do all the trinkets on a MC cost 15,000?? I bet not, the motor represents a big # in boats.