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charly
11-03-2010, 04:30 PM
Hello gents,
I have been transferred to Qatar and it is a great place for wakeboarding. So I looked for a boat and the only one I found is a X-Star 2005.
I know that this boat is usually for expert wakeboarders, but as it is the only wakeboard boat on the market I don’t have the choice… let’s say it is a great opportunity to become an expert!:D
Question is more regarding the price; I don’t have so much references as it will be my first Mastercraft. The seller propose 52k$ but I believe price should be more around 42-45k$. The boat has the following specs: MCI engines 350hr 3 ballasts, 600W speakers with trailer and cover (I guess it is basic options?). It has been used in salty environment (and it is very salty in Qatar!) and stored outside (with harsh temperatures during the summer). What is your feeling on that?
Also what I should have a look at regarding maintenance and boat condition? I have read on Mastercraft web site that such boat is not designed to be run in salty water. Also I believe storage outside will have reduced life of electronics and seals?
Thanks in advance for your feedback and sorry for my English… I am French!!! (nobody is perfect):o
Charly

bobx1
11-03-2010, 06:05 PM
In the US, the 05 Xstars run from upper 30's USD to mid 50's USD. I do not know if they offered salt water series back then and if so, you need to double check if the one you are looking at is equipped. Personally, I would run for the hills if it has been parked outside in salty air and has been run in salt water. Also, prices can swing widely depending on options (some of these boats have $10k-$15K+ in stereo equipment alone). Here are a couple of examples of 05 Stars in the US:

http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/boa/2040731950.html

http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/boa/2037077158.html

If for some reason you want to pursue this boat, your next questions should be hours on engine, maintenance records, mechanical shape, visual shape (how are the seats/vinyls?, all gauges work? ballast work?, how is the trailer, etc. etc.). If for some reason the above passes your initial smell test, get it to a mechanic and have them check it out or better yet, get a certified marine survey.

If you search this forum, you will see several detailed check lists on what to look for when purchasing a boat.

3 items in your post are going against you at this point:

1 - Salt water
2 - Stored outside
3 - Price

charly
11-04-2010, 12:41 AM
Thanks a lot Bob,

I will try the boat next sunday and I will carefully check it... for marine survey, in Qatar it will not be easy. It is already very difficult to find a good and reliable workshop when you have a pb with your car, just imagine for boats like this one!

Do you know where I could find the 2005 brochure of the X-Star with the different option and prices proposed at that time? To be able to compare objectively with the offers on the US.

And I believe, on the same time, I must start looking as other alternatives... unfortunately :(

Holman J.B.F
11-04-2010, 02:35 AM
check if that mcx has a closed cooling system.If not that salt will eat the exhaust risers and heads from the inside out.Check for rust in the engine compartment,motormounts etc ect.
look under the dash and see the back of all the swiches look for green oxidation.
What color is the boat and what kind of cover has it?
UV light can fade the darker gelcoats.We just sold my 08 funny thing is it went to France.

overall check ,does evereything work,ballast PP etc etc.
note everything you will find on this boat ,estimate your repair cost and talk them down.
good luck.

There must be a dealer in qatar & Dubai they were looking for another mechanic on this board earlyer this year.

bobx1
11-04-2010, 09:53 AM
Do you know where I could find the 2005 brochure of the X-Star with the different option and prices proposed at that time? To be able to compare objectively with the offers on the US.:(

Hopefully some Xstar owners can chime in and help as I dont own the Xstar (I own 2007 X1). The boats come fairly loaded with a lot of standard options that are considered add-on's for other MC boats. My only suggestion is to google 2005 Mastercraft Xstar and/or search Craigs List, etc. and start to compare. Here are two listings on Onlyinboards:

http://www.onlyinboards.com/Details.aspx?ID=820412

http://www.onlyinboards.com/Details.aspx?ID=821013

And another on Wakeworld (this deal looked like he needed to sell pretty fast):

http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/8/754543.html?1263849190

You will notice most are comparably equipped so that should give you an idea of the common options. For example:


Engine (I think Indmar MCX 350 was the standard)

Tandem axle trailer (some have upgraded wheels on their own)

Stereo with CD (some have satellite, some have Ipod interface, some have upgraded entire system)

JL Internal Audio Speakers (some upgrade with extra speakers, amps and sub-woofers)

(2) JL Tower Speakers are common but some have upgraded to different brands and/or more tower speakers

Most have driver remote stereo control and some have transom remote control

Some have tower lights

Board racks (most appear to have spinning racks)

Speed Control (most appear to have upgraded to Perfect Pass as opposed to MC Cruise)

Most have Bimini

Most have covers

All have ballast (some have upgraded ballast)

Some have heater

If the boat you are looking at has the salt water option (closed cooling system) then that adds some $$ to the price. The major price options (in my opinion) would be upgraded engine and closed cooling. The rest of the options may add/subtract a couple of thousand bucks.

At this point, find out of it has closed cooling (salt option) and if not, run. If it does, everyone will want to know:

*Engine type
*Hours on engine
*Specific options (stereo/speakers, trailer, ballast, racks, etc.)

After that, you can get a good idea on pricing.....

charly
11-04-2010, 03:55 PM
Thank you so much for all this information. I took note for all of them and I will have full check up of the boat next Sunday, starting with the closed loop system which is definitively the most important thing.
Crossing the fingers that the boat will be in good shape! otherwise It will end up with a 25ft fishing boat with two outboard engines, much less fun for wakeboarding!!!

charly
11-23-2010, 01:57 PM
Hi gents,

So far I didn t manage to test the boat, first it was the battery, then the steering system and now looks like there is a problem with the pressure valve... looks like this boat was not used since a long time and need a full revision... I think I will give up for this one.

So far I am now focusing on a 2007 X-2 with (only) 78.5h, this one is a salt water series with a 5.7L crusader engine. Price proposed is 45K$ with trailor and cover, which would have been fine if the boat was immaculate, but unfortunately it is not the case (see attached pictures).

If the outside looks ok (some scraps on the hull however) the engine has a lot of rusting points / elements, which is clearly showing a lack of maintenance.

I should test the boat next week. I believe the engine could be ok, as it is only "superficial" problems. But anyway it will affect the resale value. 35k$ (if the boat is working fine) looks a fair price. what do you think?

Not easy to find a good boat in the Gulf!

coz
11-23-2010, 02:49 PM
Hi gents,

So far I didn t manage to test the boat, first it was the battery, then the steering system and now looks like there is a problem with the pressure valve... looks like this boat was not used since a long time and need a full revision... I think I will give up for this one.

So far I am now focusing on a 2007 X-2 with (only) 78.5h, this one is a salt water series with a 5.7L crusader engine. Price proposed is 45K$ with trailor and cover, which would have been fine if the boat was immaculate, but unfortunately it is not the case (see attached pictures).

If the outside looks ok (some scraps on the hull however) the engine has a lot of rusting points / elements, which is clearly showing a lack of maintenance.

I should test the boat next week. I believe the engine could be ok, as it is only "superficial" problems. But anyway it will affect the resale value. 35k$ (if the boat is working fine) looks a fair price. what do you think?

Not easy to find a good boat in the Gulf!

I personally wouldn't invest 35k in that rust bucket.....the Titanic's engine looks better than that and it's been under water for 100 years.

Thrall
11-23-2010, 03:12 PM
Yuck! I guess you don'thave many options to choose from over there. What would it cost to ship one? The prices you're throwing out for "abused" boats seem similar to the prices here for boats that are in good to pristine condition. Maybe if you could find a deal on one int he staes you could ship it for even money??
BTW here's an engine pic for those that just got a little sick to their stomach!

Kingsley X-1
11-23-2010, 08:56 PM
oh my god...that crusader looks like CRAP!!!

10ptmust
11-23-2010, 10:44 PM
Having been over there once I can only imagine the nightmare of trying to keep a boat nice.

Holman J.B.F
11-24-2010, 03:13 AM
p.s that is not a X-Star the picture shows a X-2.....seeing the pictures it seems this engine hasn,t seen much maintenance,...needs new elbow gaskets for sure.
Anyway,nothing that can,t be fixed,might be interesting project for the right price.
Are parts available?

bobx1
11-24-2010, 10:08 AM
Out of idle curiosity (and somewhat related to the thread, especially if this guy purchases a boat over there), what do you salt water/air guys do, preventative maintenance wise, to keep your boats looking pristine? I owned two center console salt water fishing boats in the past but these were built for salt water and there was not alot of things to go bad - all fasteners were stainless and not a lot of comfy amenities. The only thing I ever did was flush with fresh water after each use and spray down the engine and some components with Corrosion X after every few outings. I also tried to find some fresh water ramp on the way back in and dunk the boat/trailer at the ramp. It seems that the only real thing thing MC adds to these boats for saltwater is closed cooling - everything else is the same???

charly
11-26-2010, 12:20 AM
Hi gents,
Thanks for your comment. Bringing a boat back from the US could be an option as well but I need to check on the shipment cost and the import duties here. I have seen on internet some really nice X2 SS for cheaper than this one. The big problem will be the maintenance. The Mastercraft dealer here told me there is no pb to bring spare parts and that there are some good workshop in Doha, but it is also the same guy who told me that this crusader engine is running "very very welll" so I am doubtfull...
Generally speaking, having seen how they do the maintenance of cars here (when it is broken, just take another one) I am not optimistic at all. Imagine also that during summer temperature are higher than 50deg celsius and the water is very very very salty... boats are suffering a lot.
Will continue to work on it, anyway...