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CantRepeat
10-24-2010, 10:00 PM
I finally got out to test the surf wake on my new to me 06 X30.

Full KGB, port side, with a 400 lb fat sac on top of the port hard tank. The trim tab is all the way down and just one adult in the back of the boat.

It's kind of hard to get a feel for the size of the wake with no one on it and the lighting is poor. My droid doesn't take the best video.

Lost the video...

If the water would have been a bit warmer I would have gotten in. As it is now I'll have to wait until next spring which sucks.

CiscoStu
10-24-2010, 11:26 PM
That looks like lots of wake to surf on. I have a 57" CWB Tsunami, and it works great behind my '06 X-30 w/ factory ballast. In fact, we are getting beginners up on it as well. My bro and his kid both got up at the same time, one on the Tsunami, the other on a 63" something-or-other. Both on the same rope, then both let go at the same time...

I love how sharp that wave is on top... That will be awesome. Get in! It won't be cold once you are surfing!

I have pics of the wake, I'll try to find them and post them.

CantRepeat
01-10-2011, 01:50 PM
Ordered a custom 620 lb bag to go in the port locker over the hard tank. As I was doing some measuring it was clear to see the 400 lb bag didn't come close to filling up the locker.

I'm hoping the extra weight will help. As you can clearly see in the video the rub rail is no where near the water line while at surf speed.

CantRepeat
04-04-2011, 06:28 AM
Well I got the new custom port sac install finally and got to test it yesterday. The water is still to cold for me to get in.


The rideable area on the wake is easily 10 feet long and wake is massive compared to my old boat. :D

lost the video.


I'm extremely happy with the results.

peettee79
04-04-2011, 05:39 PM
You need more weight, try adding another ton if you want a decent surf wake.

CantRepeat
04-04-2011, 05:51 PM
You need more weight, try adding another ton if you want a decent surf wake.

Welcome to TT Pettee. Thanks for the advice but I'm not going to go that crazy with the weight! The wake is decent enough and stil lsafe to boat. :D

You'll find some great people here if and when you need boating help.

Have a great week dude!

shredstixxwa
04-05-2011, 08:06 AM
Good luck mate !

mccobmd
04-05-2011, 08:14 AM
Nice work, I'm working on lengthening the curl on my X1. Some of the fun is in working with it.

peettee79
04-05-2011, 07:08 PM
Welcome to TT Pettee. Thanks for the advice but I'm not going to go that crazy with the weight! The wake is decent enough and stil lsafe to boat. :D

You'll find some great people here if and when you need boating help.

Have a great week dude!

All good matey, just tryin to help you acheive a decent wave to rip on.
Heres my recipe-
09 X2
Port surf tab at 85%
16.5 kph
All hard tanks full
Port + fwd fly high full
Stb fly high in cooler compartment as full as
2x 250kg bag under flip up seat
1x 250kg bag along back seat port cnr
1x 250kg bag along port seat
1x 250kg bag on port front seat
2x 250kg bag on floor port rear
50kg lead under rear seat
+ fuel , gear , beer and peeps

slickwater1
04-05-2011, 09:32 PM
does this sound like a lot of weight? ^^^^^^

ColdTurkey
04-05-2011, 09:33 PM
All good matey, just tryin to help you acheive a decent wave to rip on.
Heres my recipe-
09 X2
Port surf tab at 85%
16.5 kph
All hard tanks full
Port + fwd fly high full
Stb fly high in cooler compartment as full as
2x 250kg bag under flip up seat
1x 250kg bag along back seat port cnr
1x 250kg bag along port seat
1x 250kg bag on port front seat
2x 250kg bag on floor port rear
50kg lead under rear seat
+ fuel , gear , beer and peeps

Have you got a picture of this thing sitting in the water mate? Or even some vid of the wave you're pushing? must be sitting bloody low.

peettee79
04-06-2011, 04:11 AM
Pic taken minus the 3 new 250kg bags....she sits a touch lower now but more evenly sunk in the rear and lower on the nose.

Chunky mates are great.

peettee79
04-06-2011, 04:12 AM
will post a pic of the wave tonight, dont have any on Laptop.

CantRepeat
04-06-2011, 07:07 AM
Um, I wonder if filling the starboard side hard tank would help a port side wake.

peettee79
04-06-2011, 08:35 AM
Check above Configuration.

CantRepeat
04-06-2011, 08:59 AM
Check above Configuration.

That's what I was already referring to. I've never heard anyone putting weight on the opposite side of the boat they were trying to surf on but I'll try it.

CantRepeat
04-06-2011, 09:07 AM
All good matey, just tryin to help you acheive a decent wave to rip on.
Heres my recipe-
09 X2
Port surf tab at 85%
16.5 kph
All hard tanks full
Port + fwd fly high full
Stb fly high in cooler compartment as full as
2x 250kg bag under flip up seat
1x 250kg bag along back seat port cnr
1x 250kg bag along port seat
1x 250kg bag on port front seat
2x 250kg bag on floor port rear
50kg lead under rear seat
+ fuel , gear , beer and peeps

250kg = 551 lbs

So you have what close to 4000 lbs + stock ballast in an X2 that is rated for how much. It's your boat and you can do with it as you like but that's obnoxiously over weighted.

Justjoe
04-06-2011, 09:13 AM
I could see adding weight there. Especially with that amount of ballast onboard, there would be a balance of appropriate list and total hull displacement. Ie: if the boat was way over ballasted just along one side it would simple heel over. I'm sure there's an angle that would create the best waveform, and anything greater than that would just be counterproductive.

Get it over, then drop it down!

Justjoe
04-06-2011, 09:15 AM
250kg = 551 lbs

So you have what close to 4000 lbs + stock ballast in an X2 that is rated for how much. It's your boat and you can do with it as you like but that's obnoxiously over weighted.

Ha! Overloaded..... Whatever (fun governor).

CantRepeat
04-06-2011, 09:20 AM
Ha! Overloaded..... Whatever (fun governor).

Whatever brother. Like I said his to do whatever he wants. As for me, I'll play it a little safer.

peettee79
04-06-2011, 10:03 AM
We run 3 ton when boarding..big wake/wave = big air time.
Carry on faffing around with what you hav...as long as your having fun!! Right
Here for a short time my friend.

CantRepeat
04-06-2011, 10:22 AM
We run 3 ton when boarding..big wake/wave = big air time.
Carry on faffing around with what you hav...as long as your having fun!! Right
Here for a short time my friend.

I agree, life is short and you should play hard! I am very interested to see the wave you have with 6000 lbs of ballast! :D

havinfun
04-06-2011, 10:57 PM
Yeah mee tooo!!!!!!!!

wheres the pic of the wave peetee!!!

CantRepeat
04-13-2011, 12:57 PM
Went out last Sunday, 90 degrees. I think I'm gonna need some more weight! :D I'll probably start with relocating the batteries to the starboard side so I can put one big ol sac on the port side. Not sure how much room I'll get but I'm hoping for 1000lbs more ballast.

Anyway, did some video. Nothing special.

Riding the new F18. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3n2o_utmew)

Oh and there is an awesome yard sale at around 5:30. Hit an oncoming wake right at the time I was coming down off of mine. Slow mo even!

CantRepeat
04-25-2011, 02:15 PM
Well, loaded up about 3280 pounds on Sunday not including adults or kids.

400 port side hard tank
680 custom bag in ports
750 under cooler seat
400 on cooler seat
300 KGB
750 over KGB in walkway

2 adults and 2 kids


I should have taken a photo of the rub rail, it was still a good 6 or 7 inches out of the water. The swim platform was under about 4 or 5 inches.

I've still got a custom sac on order with Jason and today I'm working a second through hull that will go to 4th pump to supply the new sac. I'm going to put one of the wakemaker tee valves in and use the starboard pump to help fill and empty the custom surf sac faster.

As always, lame video follows.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYSmUzVpJk8

fatthmjr
04-25-2011, 09:10 PM
Tim, That wake is looking awesome!!! we just move a 750 bag to the side and are doing much better....

CantRepeat
04-26-2011, 07:27 AM
Tim, That wake is looking awesome!!! we just move a 750 bag to the side and are doing much better....

It is getting better with each trip out. It's a learning process at this point.


What boat do you have?

09X2
05-04-2011, 07:19 AM
These the only Pics i have ( gopro snap shots )...cant really see the wave.
Will get some wave pics this saturday.

http://i739.photobucket.com/albums/xx40/Remetengineers/vlcsnap-304757s1.png

http://i739.photobucket.com/albums/xx40/Remetengineers/vlcsnap-303694s1.png

CantRepeat
05-04-2011, 07:28 AM
More importantly -

What boat
What weighting
What speed

fatthmjr
05-06-2011, 11:34 AM
I'm in the red tristar 190...ski year around here... 1500lbs works ok...i think i am going to order the seat replacement bag...

CantRepeat
05-18-2011, 04:20 PM
Latest video. Still making changes to increase size and shape of wave.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXhYRrtMmRg

peettee79
05-19-2011, 09:39 PM
09 X2 wave...2.5 ton ballast..gopro clip..average surfing ability

http://youtu.be/zfX9cMq37yY

CantRepeat
05-19-2011, 11:38 PM
09 X2 wave...2.5 ton ballast..gopro clip..average surfing ability

http://youtu.be/zfX9cMq37yY

I couldn't get past the first 30 seconds of the music to even watch the show and with 2.5 tons of ballast I'm not to impressed withthe wave.

peettee79
05-20-2011, 03:40 AM
Yeah wave is a bit crap...it is a X2 afterall.

Sorry about the music, its all could find....you do have a volume control dont you ???

nickespi
05-21-2011, 08:51 AM
09 X2 wave...2.5 ton ballast..gopro clip..average surfing ability

http://youtu.be/zfX9cMq37yY

2.5 tons??? That's 5000lbs. Did you mean 2500lbs?

CantRepeat
05-21-2011, 09:35 AM
2.5 tons??? That's 5000lbs. Did you mean 2500lbs?

Nope, he means 2.5 tons and believe he has had 3 tons in the boat at one point.

nickespi
05-21-2011, 10:54 AM
Nope, he means 2.5 tons and believe he has had 3 tons in the boat at one point.

Don't think I'll ever feel comfortable running that much ballast in mine.

CantRepeat
05-21-2011, 11:30 AM
Don't think I'll ever feel comfortable running that much ballast in mine.

I don't think so either, but with 2500 in my boat my rub rail is still 5 or 6 inches out of the water. Makes me think there is a ton more wave to be had.

peettee79
05-21-2011, 08:09 PM
I don't think so either, but with 2500 in my boat my rub rail is still 5 or 6 inches out of the water. Makes me think there is a ton more wave to be had.

it is a crap load of weight, but I simply could not get a decent wave until it was added. Ive tried many configurations, and ended up with this.

Sh'e plenty stable...you get the odd bow wave, but only one some other boat user is a bit inconsiderate.

Brian B
05-23-2011, 01:10 AM
I'd kill for waves like these with my X10! Are you guys running non surf side ballast as well?

peettee79
05-23-2011, 03:52 AM
I'd kill for waves like these with my X10! Are you guys running non surf side ballast as well?

Yes i am, only to sink it deep and make her a touch more stable.
Its must for the X2, unless im doing something wrong?? Im new to this so any help is appreciated also.

Anyone modded their glass platforms ?

CantRepeat
06-13-2011, 09:16 AM
Down to 1900 lbs all on the port side nothing in the front.

Short clip 1900 lbs all port. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6ZgyUeYs_4)

peettee79
06-13-2011, 10:30 PM
Down to 1900 lbs all on the port side nothing in the front.

Short clip 1900 lbs all port. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6ZgyUeYs_4)

Your wave looks great, dont need anymore than that.

Brian B
06-13-2011, 10:36 PM
Nice! Doesnt look like you need to turn either!

CantRepeat
06-13-2011, 10:46 PM
Nice! Doesnt look like you need to turn either!

Thanks guys.


It's kind of strange, really. While most people seem to get a better wave in a turn my boat kind of drops some push and size with turning into the wave.

We were testing on Sunday and with someone sitting on the sundeck (just for testing) the wave got taller and had a nicer lip. My trouble is theres no room for more liquid ballast.

I did however get the modified swim step on and tested. It does make the front part of the wave cleaner but didn't really change the size of the area of the sweet spot.

More testing to come.

Kell
06-13-2011, 11:00 PM
Down to 1900 lbs all on the port side nothing in the front.

Short clip 1900 lbs all port. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6ZgyUeYs_4)

Very nice wave. What wake surf board are you using?

CantRepeat
06-13-2011, 11:07 PM
Very nice wave. What wake surf board are you using?

Its a Walker Project F18 MasterCraft edition 4'10". The board is extremely fast and easy to surf. With it I can make saves 12 feet behind the boat and I suck at surfing.


Mastercraft Walker Project F18 (http://www.mastercraftbydesign.com/index_799.asp)

Brian B
06-13-2011, 11:08 PM
Its a Walker Project F18 MasterCraft edition 4'10". The board is extremely fast and easy to surf. With it I can make saves 12 feet behind the boat and I suck at surfing.


Mastercraft Walker Project F18 (http://www.mastercraftbydesign.com/index_799.asp)

$800!!!!!!!!!!!

CantRepeat
06-13-2011, 11:23 PM
$800!!!!!!!!!!!


Yeah you could get a factory F18 for cheaper I'm sure, but the blue match my X30 and it surfs like a dream.

Kell
06-13-2011, 11:24 PM
Its a Walker Project F18 MasterCraft edition 4'10". The board is extremely fast and easy to surf. With it I can make saves 12 feet behind the boat and I suck at surfing.


Mastercraft Walker Project F18 (http://www.mastercraftbydesign.com/index_799.asp)

I was looking at the Walker Project Bazooka. I'm 6'4" 250lbs so the longer length might be good for larger surfers, but I don't want to spend that kind of $ without bing able to try one first.

CantRepeat
06-13-2011, 11:41 PM
I was looking at the Walker Project Bazooka. I'm 6'4" 250lbs so the longer length might be good for larger surfers, but I don't want to spend that kind of $ without bing able to try one first.

I hear ya. I can tell you this with my short time surfing the compression skim boards do not have the speed or loft/float as the surf type boards. I could make a rookie recommendation and say as long as its a surf style board at or over 5' it'll float ya.

CantRepeat
06-21-2011, 10:05 AM
From this past weekend. Less weight in the boat. Had a little more push this time.

Surfing the 06 X30! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osdE46PGb-o)

Brian B
06-21-2011, 11:41 AM
^That wave is incredible!

scott023
06-21-2011, 11:48 AM
I was looking at the Walker Project Bazooka. I'm 6'4" 250lbs so the longer length might be good for larger surfers, but I don't want to spend that kind of $ without bing able to try one first.

This I can guarantee you... if you start with a Walker board, you'll never NEED to upgrade. Chances are you'll pay 3 or 4 hundred for a starter board that you'll eventually get too advanced for, and then you will need to upgrade. Start with the Bazooka, and that board will last you forever. :twocents:

CantRepeat
06-21-2011, 12:37 PM
^That wave is incredible!

Now I just need to get better at surfing it!

nickespi
06-21-2011, 05:07 PM
How is that wieght distroed on your boat?

CantRepeat
06-21-2011, 05:23 PM
How is that wieght distroed on your boat?

Hey Nick,

If you remember from this thread (http://www.mastercraft.com/teamtalk/showthread.php?t=40934) I moved my batteries to the starboard side of the boat in order to free up all the space under the port side seats.

I'm still waiting on the custom surf sac to get here, but what I have going right now is a 680 lb sac in the port locker and an 800 lb (or so) sac running along the port side under the seats.

My boat doesn't like any weight up front and nothing in the KGB. It took me about a month of surfing on the weekends to figure that part out.

I'll take some video this weekend of the setup but probably post that in the other thread.

My boat is an 06 which was a major change in the X30 so I'm not sure how that will play out in your boat.

nickespi
06-21-2011, 05:55 PM
Yeah, I've heard that 06+ X-30s run a little different than the earlier models. The PO moved the batteries to starboard side, but I'm goofy foot and surf starboard. Been thinking of moving the batteries somewhere else. Not really trying to make a dedicated surf boat. Just trying to find the happy medium. Struggling with my wakeboard wake and surf wake right now. Just ordered 2 350lb bags and I'm going to play around with them in conjunction with the factory ballast.

madmuffin
06-21-2011, 08:19 PM
Enjoyed the video, you look like you're having a good time!

madmuffin
06-21-2011, 08:30 PM
Here's a video of my 10 year old son surfing last year. It's been cold in the Northwest so nothing new to post. Boat hasn't even touched the water yet with the flooding. Friday is the day though so look forward to it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gWtdYYEpV4

CantRepeat
06-21-2011, 08:53 PM
Here's a video of my 10 year old son surfing last year. It's been cold in the Northwest so nothing new to post. Boat hasn't even touched the water yet with the flooding. Friday is the day though so look forward to it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gWtdYYEpV4

He's a natural! Wow, the water is soooo blue! I mean deep dark clean blue! I assume mountain run off?

How are you weighting your boat. It looks like stock full starboard and few folks in it. I found that if I put any ballast in the KGB or weight up front the wave gets very narrow and doesn't gain anything in height or push.

Brian B
06-21-2011, 09:00 PM
What is KGB?

madmuffin
06-21-2011, 11:14 PM
Brian,
KGB is the center of three standard tanks built into the hull.

CR,
Northern Idaho blue (yes, mountain run-off) and it's been since September so I'm not exactly sure the exact setup with the video. I don't weight as much for him (yet) and he is Goofy-Starboard. My guess is that I probably had a 750 on Starboard seat and probably two 150 FH bricks in the back corner. Starboard full (not sure about KGB). If he wanted it larger, I'd fill up another 750 in the rear Starboard locker. Myself, my wife and a couple small fries also in the boat.

Port-side, I've been working towards the perfect wake and I'll be working at it again this summer so appreciate your post. Most of last summer I had a 750 in the back rear locker, a 750 on the port side seat towards the front and the two 150 bricks in the bow port side. Sometimes I had all three standards full and sometime only the port and kgb (still not sure which is better). I still like to pile in few more adults with this setup. Trim plate down and in a straight line (but do arc if in a bay). Speed 12-14 on my Perfect Pass which sounds fast and the gauge may be off a bit but that's what I surf at especially with the weight to get the long sweet spot. Bought another 750 end-of-season to experiment with.

peettee79
06-22-2011, 06:30 AM
Im puzzled how deploying the wake plate ( trim tab ) helps the wave ?
It destroys my wave on the X2 ? I dont even use the surf tabs and am considering removing all three, but I rekon the centre tab buffers the prop wash.

? ? ? Anyone got a pic of the wave with it up and a comparison with it down ?

CantRepeat
06-22-2011, 07:15 AM
Im puzzled how deploying the wake plate ( trim tab ) helps the wave ?
It destroys my wave on the X2 ? I dont even use the surf tabs and am considering removing all three, but I rekon the centre tab buffers the prop wash.

? ? ? Anyone got a pic of the wave with it up and a comparison with it down ?

Well, all it really does is clean up the lip. Without it down the lip is nothing but white wash. I'll get some video of the wave with and without the trim tab being used.

peettee79
06-22-2011, 08:14 AM
Wat revs are people sitting on when surfing loaded ?

CantRepeat
06-22-2011, 08:44 AM
Wat revs are people sitting on when surfing loaded ?

I'm sorry, I don't understand the question.

nickespi
06-22-2011, 11:23 AM
I assume he's talking about RPMs. Speed would be a better foundation to go off of since RPMs will differ by boat/engine/prop.

CantRepeat
06-22-2011, 12:35 PM
Oh, yeah I'm not sure of the RPMs, but the speed is in between 12.5 and 13.4 - I'll be putting in the stargazer PP this afternoon so I'll have a better idea of speed.

peettee79
06-23-2011, 05:54 AM
Um ok.....say if we had the same boat, engine and same speed i was wondering what rpm you are pulling when surfing loaded... So i can compare with my weight and revs.
Sitting on 11.5 im pulling 3,500 rpm.... And go through a full tank in about 5 hrs

CantRepeat
06-23-2011, 06:20 AM
Um ok.....say if we had the same boat, engine and same speed i was wondering what rpm you are pulling when surfing loaded... So i can compare with my weight and revs.
Sitting on 11.5 im pulling 3,500 rpm.... And go through a full tank in about 5 hrs

I'll check it this weekend and let you know. I'm going to take a guess and say I'm probably burning just as much fuel as you are while surfing.

peettee79
06-23-2011, 06:59 AM
Thanks man.....just curious .

nickespi
06-23-2011, 08:39 AM
I want to say that I'm cruising about 2500 rpm when surfing. I'll have a better idea today when I check the PP.

peettee79
06-24-2011, 03:20 AM
Wow...i might have to re-prop to bring my revs down a touch...shes not screaming, but she aint idling thats for sure.

nickespi
06-24-2011, 09:25 AM
I'm running a 14.75x15.5 OJ

peettee79
06-27-2011, 08:39 AM
few crummy gopro snaps from yest....20 deg c...freeeeezing
http://i739.photobucket.com/albums/xx40/Remetengineers/262.png


Karate Kid
http://i739.photobucket.com/albums/xx40/Remetengineers/karatekid.png

http://i739.photobucket.com/albums/xx40/Remetengineers/261.png

http://i739.photobucket.com/albums/xx40/Remetengineers/bt1.png

peettee79
06-27-2011, 08:40 AM
http://i739.photobucket.com/albums/xx40/Remetengineers/rio.png

CantRepeat
06-27-2011, 09:56 AM
Nice photos Pete.

Well, after getting the PP install (ecm is not flashed so it doesn't hold speed) the GPS works and I found out something about my speed.

On the factory speedo I was surfing around 13.5. Now with the GPS working I now know I'm surfing around 11.5. The RPMs area around 3200 at that speed.

I also took some video of my wave with the factory swim step and the modified swim step. There is a big difference in the wave. I'll post that up in the building a wave thread of mine.

peettee79
06-27-2011, 10:03 AM
Interested in seeing that... Im considering a similar mod.

Brian B
06-27-2011, 12:25 PM
Nice photos Pete.

Well, after getting the PP install (ecm is not flashed so it doesn't hold speed) the GPS works and I found out something about my speed.

On the factory speedo I was surfing around 13.5. Now with the GPS working I now know I'm surfing around 11.5. The RPMs area around 3200 at that speed.

I also took some video of my wave with the factory swim step and the modified swim step. There is a big difference in the wave. I'll post that up in the building a wave thread of mine.


Link please!

CantRepeat
06-27-2011, 01:23 PM
Link please!

http://www.mastercraft.com/teamtalk/showthread.php?p=766352#post766352