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chippy1971
10-13-2010, 02:26 AM
So earlier this year I had a huge fall in Aspen Colorado while snow skiing which ended up with a rotator cuff repair on my shoulder.

So the accident happened in Jan 11 2010, and the op to fix it was on April 28 2010.

So we are now very close to the six month mark and I have been going to physio and stuff, and I had my last checkup with the surgeon on Monday and he told me now more waterskiing ever.

You have no idea how hard that news was as I have been waterskiing all my life, and I love it. While I don't ski as much as I used to when I was 20 - 25. I am still guttered.

I just hope no one else ever has to go through this as it is the pits.

André
10-13-2010, 06:28 AM
Sorry to read this.
Maybe with more PT and more time you'll be able to ski again!
Good luck!

Bouyhead
10-13-2010, 06:38 AM
Wow, that really is the worst news ever. How well regarded is your surgeon, have you thought

about second opinion?

Double D
10-13-2010, 08:02 AM
I agree, get a second opinion.... And if says the same thing, don't listen to him either... :)

timvan
10-13-2010, 08:12 AM
I had a bad motorcylce crash in 1994, was told I wouldnt walk again.

I was on a slalom 8 weeks later.. Mind over matter?? I can now leg press well over 1300lbs

06197ttlq9-footer
10-13-2010, 08:17 AM
Or else what? You're gunna die?......You are gunna die anyhow. I wouldn't let a Dr. decide when I was done skiing. Find another doctor. If you aren't in pain I would ski on two and drop or try wakeboarding. We all ski with pain. Your Dr. sounds like a TUBER! Anyhow Bannana George Blair broke his back and his Dr. prescribed water skiing on two skis as PT. You Know the rest of the story.
Never give up! Peace.

wjpbrand
10-13-2010, 08:48 AM
Physio is the answer. I had a bad rugby injury. Told I would never be able to lift more than 10kg. L1 to 5 on my back was shot. After two years of training and getting my core back to strength, I have no more pain and can wakeboard without issues.

DooSPX
10-13-2010, 08:53 AM
You need to get a second and maybe third opinion on that.... and try for yourself to see.

Best of luck my friend!

scott023
10-13-2010, 09:01 AM
I agree with those that suggested to get a second opinion. Doctors are trained to give worst case scenarios... perhaps another doctors worst case is better than the one you got.

aquaman
10-13-2010, 09:18 AM
Well, the consensus seems to be to shop doctors until you find one that tells you what you want to hear? How could it be that the dr that knew how to fix your shoulder does not know what activities you should limit? ; )

Re-injury does not heal as quickly, and can often be followed by years of chronic pain. You should and probably will ski again. Enjoy!

mig
10-13-2010, 09:40 AM
Or else what? You're gunna die?......You are gunna die anyhow. I wouldn't let a Dr. decide when I was done skiing. Find another doctor. If you aren't in pain I would ski on two and drop or try wakeboarding. We all ski with pain. Your Dr. sounds like a TUBER! Anyhow Bannana George Blair broke his back and his Dr. prescribed water skiing on two skis as PT. You Know the rest of the story.
Never give up! Peace.

"Your Dr. sounds like a TUBER!" Definitely the quote for my day - thank you! I have been dealing with Drs for the last couple of years and learned that they are not all equal. Second opinions have changed the outcome for me twice. Doesn't cost that much to go see someone else, especially with a referral. Don't give up too soon!

gts-20
10-13-2010, 10:34 AM
I had surgery to repair a ruptured pectoral major muscle on my left side on 9/23/2010, staples removed 10/7/2010, and had my first PT appointment Mon. 10/11/2010. At my request, my Dr. and PT and I sat down and discussed what my goals were compared to what my Dr. thought was possible. Together we planned out a PT routine that would help me be back on the water by spring 2011. I was very depressed thinking about not being able to ski/board, but after posting about it on here, I received a lot of encouragement from members telling me to work hard, set goals, and stay motivated. So far so good. I have my second PT appointment this afternoon.

Don't give up, my PT says if you work hard, and take advantage of the body's natural ability to heal, you can overcome almost any injury in time.

jk13
10-13-2010, 10:42 AM
I've been watching this site for a couple of years now and haven't ever posted, but I have gained much knowledge from you guys. Thank you for that. Maybe here's a spot where I can give back a little.

I'm not trying to start the usual debate of wether or not it's a cheater device, but I was recently introduced to a user of the Goode Power Vest whose career was saved by it's invention. He happened to have a back injury, but others have used it to overcome shoulder and elbow injuries, as well. When you have two hands on the handle, it uses a sliding strap across a back plate to relieve some of the stresses imposed on your body. If it would keep me on the water and possibly reduce the risk of recurring injury, I'd certainly look into it.

Good luck with your injury.

http://www.goode.com/waterpv.htm#use

Thanks again for all the info over the years, guys.

beef
10-13-2010, 10:43 AM
I partially severed my patellar tendon with a karate chop from my ski during an otf fall at the ball. First doctor was a very highly respected ortho guy that told me I wouldn't be skiing any more. I could tell it was hard for him to break this news to me, since he knew I had a water addiction problem.

I found another doctor that told me what I wanted to hear, and have been skiing ever since (several years now). Second opinion was from a doc with a heavy involvement in sports medicine. I hope this helps.

willyt
10-13-2010, 11:36 AM
i also have a buddy who had major shoulder reconstruction a few years ago. he hit the gym hard for 2 years with ALOT of PT and has been wakeboarding this year without a problem. Guy is still throwing 900's on the snowboard without problems. sickkkk rider.

you may be in the pits but doctors should be smart enough to know never say never.

Personally, i've had alot of shoulder injuries and knee injuries. I'm still riding, will be until the day i die.

Adam Wanichek
10-13-2010, 12:03 PM
Hopefully this will get out there...
A trainer has me doing these exercises strengthening the rotator cuff, apparently this is a very common injury for active men and once its gone well...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6MMD5L7498

a $10 bungee strap tied to the door knob works for me.

Archimedes
10-13-2010, 12:04 PM
Screw the doctors. I have a metal jaw, titanium femur, destroyed knee, twice operated back, chronic neck problems and I've had more concussions than Eric Lindros, and I wakeboard, play hockey, ride motorcycles and do anything my body can physically handle. I'm usually in all sorts of pain, but who cares. When they look at my body in the casket, I want it to be obvious that I lived.

Before my back surgery (sciatica, foot drop, nerve damage in my left leg), my doctor wanted to delay the operation and I told him we couldn't because I needed to be recovered in time for a track day I had planned at Laguna. He said, you can't ride anymore.......riiiiiggggght. I told him either I keep riding or he needs to give me a referral to Dr. Kevorkian.

Seriously, get the magic pink tape. There's a chiro in my area (on my hockey team) that has patented a method for using it that supposedly gets pretty amazing results.

coz
10-13-2010, 12:35 PM
If your doctor says you need to stop skiing because you have a bad owie on your shoulder you can always come back here and look at the pics to see the fun you're missing.

flya750
10-13-2010, 12:45 PM
What about a second opinion?

broncotw
10-13-2010, 05:32 PM
I think you should find a more optimistic and progressive doctor....

I find it hard to believe that Julio Jones (Alabama receiver) can have a plate and screws inserted in the palm of his hand this past Monday and already reported to be back on the practice field this week and may even play this coming weekend – not that I am an Alabama fan – but in any event I thought the story was interesting.

My point is with rehab and great doctors you will get back!

Good luck bro.....

flipper
10-13-2010, 05:49 PM
Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!

Footin
10-13-2010, 05:52 PM
Tore my labrum in my right should, had surgury called a front bankhart to repair. A few pins and wires later I was as good as new (after six months of rehab). Dr told me not to barefoot anymore. I still barefoot 10 years later with no problems.

Laurel_Lake_Skier
10-13-2010, 07:59 PM
You should be able to keep skiing. I had a problem with my shoulder a couple of years back and have been skiing with a brace like this (mine is all black). It has allowed me to continue barefooting without worrying about hurting the shoulder again. More info on the braces on FootnGear.com

TX.X-30 fan
10-13-2010, 10:11 PM
I say put a helmet on and tear-it-up.................

YTW
10-13-2010, 10:14 PM
Screw the doctors. I have a metal jaw, titanium femur, destroyed knee, twice operated back, chronic neck problems and I've had more concussions than Eric Lindros, and I wakeboard, play hockey, ride motorcycles and do anything my body can physically handle. I'm usually in all sorts of pain, but who cares. When they look at my body in the casket, I want it to be obvious that I lived.

Before my back surgery (sciatica, foot drop, nerve damage in my left leg), my doctor wanted to delay the operation and I told him we couldn't because I needed to be recovered in time for a track day I had planned at Laguna. He said, you can't ride anymore.......riiiiiggggght. I told him either I keep riding or he needs to give me a referral to Dr. Kevorkian.

Absolutly the best post I've read this year.

redrobster78
10-13-2010, 11:54 PM
Just my .02... several years back I had my right shoulder, which is my dominate side, pretty much rebuilt. To make a long story short they did work on the bones, ligaments, muscles, cartilage... pretty much redid my shoulder and after 6 months for rehab I was as good as new! I did have a surgeon who works on professional athletes but as he pointed out the surgery is only as good as the physical therapist you have. Once again I luckily stumbled onto a real gem, this guy only rehabbed shoulders and you could tell the difference between the pt's that knew and didn't know what they were doing. Bad news is if you had a bad pt from the beginning there are some things that can't not be undone. Like if you have a lack of motion because you didn't get stretched when you started, things like that might not be reverseable but other things can be made up if you continue to rehab.

If I were you I'd seek a second opinion from a doctor, actually a specialist... they actually know what they are talking about! As well as a pt... hope that helps.

Dad 2 3
10-13-2010, 11:57 PM
I had my ACL replaced a few years ago. Just as others posted, when I started physical therapy they asked me what my goals were for healing. He then set the regiment, frequency, and program to support that. I went to a surgeon/PT that specialized in Sports Medicine and not just general surgery. Make sure you're speaking with people who specialize in helping athletes and not elderly people who fell down in the shower.

Archimedes
10-14-2010, 12:35 AM
"If you don't follow your dreams, you might as well be a vegetable." Burt Munro (World's Fastest Indian)

jipster43
10-14-2010, 12:48 AM
I have a friend who had a catastrophic rotator cuff injury two years ago. He had surgery and was waterskiing eight months later with the use of a Goode Powervest. He skis into 38 off, so he's putting a lot of stress on his shoulder, but it doesn't bother him a bit while he wears his vest. He's hoping to move away from the vest next year.

I tore my rotator cuff this June, but I didn't have surgery. After two months of PT I was waterskiing. Ironically the waterskiing seemed to improve my range of motion.

JP :)

Prostar19
10-14-2010, 07:56 AM
Had my right shoulder fixed 3 times. First Dr said no more Football, still played for years after that and still play flag at 41. Second time said not more skiing/footing still do it today. Third time Dr said looks great do what ever you want....that was 3 years ago and its working just fine. Might want a new Dr. the last one I had was the best. Had me in PT 2 days after surgery and was by far the best end result.

Jorski
10-14-2010, 10:49 AM
FWIW...I had a complete tear in three ligaments in my shoulder...had it completely reconstructed, and though my surgeon wasn't exactly in love with the idea of waterskiing, he said that it was up to me.

I have skiied for the last 5 years without incident. Just take your time and build up slowly.

I should admit that it wasn't all smooth sailing. Initially, I had a screw in there holding my clavical down while the ligaments healed. I wound up breaking that screw while waterskiing; as a result I had to have another surgery to have it removed...not fun.

TX.X-30 fan
10-14-2010, 12:18 PM
FWIW...I had a complete tear in three ligaments in my shoulder...had it completely reconstructed, and though my surgeon wasn't exactly in love with the idea of waterskiing, he said that it was up to me.

I have skiied for the last 5 years without incident. Just take your time and build up slowly.

I should admit that it wasn't all smooth sailing. Initially, I had a screw in there holding my clavical down while the ligaments healed. I wound up breaking that screw while waterskiing; as a result I had to have another surgery to have it removed...not fun.





Good thing that didn't happen here you would still be waiting in line for the surgery.....8p

bobx1
10-14-2010, 03:11 PM
Screw the doctors. I have a metal jaw, titanium femur, destroyed knee, twice operated back, chronic neck problems and I've had more concussions than Eric Lindros, and I wakeboard, play hockey, ride motorcycles and do anything my body can physically handle. I'm usually in all sorts of pain, but who cares.......

This reminds me of the old Lost Dog Cartoon. It is a picture of a Dog with the title of "LOST DOG", and the caption reads "3 Legs, Blind in Left Eye, Missing Right Ear, Tail Broken, Recently Castrated....answers to the name "Lucky".

Archimedes
10-15-2010, 12:05 AM
This reminds me of the old Lost Dog Cartoon. It is a picture of a Dog with the title of "LOST DOG", and the caption reads "3 Legs, Blind in Left Eye, Missing Right Ear, Tail Broken, Recently Castrated....answers to the name "Lucky".

Some days I feel like that dog looks...

Slinkyredfoot
03-28-2011, 04:39 PM
Not sure that this is the worst news ever for me but I am having cuff surgery tomorrow. I apparently have a small tear and fraying in a tendon and fraying that an MRI picked up a few weeks back. Pain has been pretty bad for the last several months and decided to bite the bullet and do it, if the pain alleviates any it will be a success. The doc says a routine scope job that will take care of it all.

Anyone else have this done and what should I expect? The doc is saying 6-8 weeks recovery.

jdl xstar
03-28-2011, 04:52 PM
A little surprised in the OP that the guy's doc said no more skiing... seems extreme. I've had major shoulder surgery after a snowboarding accident and now i'm 95% good as new. My doc said to go about doing whatever activities i desire.

CantRepeat
03-28-2011, 05:04 PM
Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!

:D:D:D:D hahahhaah

Jim@BAWS
03-28-2011, 05:06 PM
Not sure that this is the worst news ever for me but I am having cuff surgery tomorrow. I apparently have a small tear and fraying in a tendon and fraying that an MRI picked up a few weeks back. Pain has been pretty bad for the last several months and decided to bite the bullet and do it, if the pain alleviates any it will be a success. The doc says a routine scope job that will take care of it all.

Anyone else have this done and what should I expect? The doc is saying 6-8 weeks recovery.

5-6 years ago TORN ACL. Replaced is with a cadavore (sp) ligmament. Six weeks later they scoped and cleaned out my right shoulder. Could no longer through a baseball owner hand

I am 48 and can still do a HELI off a jump at 35 MPH. I can still foot on occasion. Tell the DOC to go pound sand!!!. That is what the repair is for. Heck I dont even wear the 3500
brace insurance payed for. I will tell you the shoulder was more painful than the knee. I had it in a sling for 2 days then started therapy. NO SCAR TISSUE build up

GO FOR IT!!!. Breaks again...get it fixed again

Jim@BAWS

Jim@BAWS
03-28-2011, 05:08 PM
:D:D:D:D hahahhaah

"The GERMANS BOMBED PEARL HARBOR?? He's on a roll"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8lT1o0sDwI

brucemac
03-28-2011, 05:11 PM
Some days I feel like that dog looks...

you sell your boat?

Slinkyredfoot
03-28-2011, 05:14 PM
5-6 years ago TORN ACL. Replaced is with a cadavore (sp) ligmament. Six weeks later they scoped and cleaned out my right shoulder. Could no longer through a baseball owner hand

I am 48 and can still do a HELI off a jump at 35 MPH. I can still foot on occasion. Tell the DOC to go pound sand!!!. That is what the repair is for. Heck I dont even wear the 3500
brace insurance payed for. I will tell you the shoulder was more painful than the knee. I had it in a sling for 2 days then started therapy. NO SCAR TISSUE build up

GO FOR IT!!!. Breaks again...get it fixed again

Jim@BAWS



Right on Jim, hope to be skiing again by end of May. Rehab starts next Monday, like I said, just hope the constant pain goes away and it will be worth it.

CantRepeat
03-28-2011, 05:23 PM
tbh, screw the doctors.

I've got 80% disability through the VA. 24 years in the Infantry - 2 bad rotator cuffs, 2 bad knees, bad elbows, 2 compression fractures, 6 annular tears, 4 bulging disc, 3 narrowing disc and guess what?

Screw em.

When it finally hurts so much that I think "I" can't do it then I'll stop. I've always believed that if I let myself slow down then I will get old. So for now, there is no slowing down regardless how bad it hurts!

Don't let it get you down. Keep working on your recovery as much as you can don't quit. :D

boxman3
03-28-2011, 05:25 PM
Last Sept had sugery to repair left rotator cuff. NO TEARS, found just junk and spurs... rehab and gym with-in 6 weeks back to normal use. My Dr is a big water skiier and hates to hear crap like this were someone say's no go to ski. Maybe not 36 MPH and 22 off.... At 52 I still ski as hard as when I was 25... the pain just last longer than before :)

Jim@BAWS
03-28-2011, 06:21 PM
Motrin Motrin Motrin

Slinkyredfoot
03-28-2011, 06:23 PM
Motrin Motrin Motrin

They gave me a script for Hydrocodone, is this stuff any good?

CantRepeat
03-28-2011, 06:28 PM
Motrin Motrin Motrin

You gotta be careful with motrin. Long term high doses have proven to have bad side affects on kidney function.

I've got a fellow retiree from 3/75 that is going through some bad stuff from over prescribed motrin use.

CantRepeat
03-28-2011, 06:30 PM
"The GERMANS BOMBED PEARL HARBOR?? He's on a roll"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8lT1o0sDwI

Japan's gonna be pissed when they find out about that!

j4rowell
03-28-2011, 07:03 PM
You should be able to keep skiing. I had a problem with my shoulder a couple of years back and have been skiing with a brace like this (mine is all black). It has allowed me to continue barefooting without worrying about hurting the shoulder again. More info on the braces on FootnGear.com

Have you used it? I have a grade 3 separated shoulder from snowboarding this year. Thinking about buying it.

Is the back just a bungie material? Curious how it works...

Footin
03-28-2011, 07:07 PM
Dislocated my should at least 20 times before I had a front bankhart surgery. A few pins and screws later I am as good as new (bionic). No more backwards barefootin though.

Cmpdman
03-28-2011, 08:05 PM
Dislocated my should at least 20 times before I had a front bankhart surgery. A few pins and screws later I am as good as new (bionic). No more backwards barefootin though.

Been there! throw a baseball & shoulder goes out. Same surgery & good as new.
Now if I could say the same for my foot. Crushed nerves & can no longer ski (snow or water), but I can surf & drive the boat.

CantRepeat
03-28-2011, 08:07 PM
but I can surf & drive the boat.

That's awesome!! Always a good point in the end. Hell, I aint dead so it's gotta be good! :D

TN X-45
03-28-2011, 08:52 PM
Worst case scenario - there is always surfing.......that held me over for the past few years until I had my second ACL repair.

willyt
03-28-2011, 09:23 PM
They gave me a script for Hydrocodone, is this stuff any good?

i also have a buddy who had major shoulder reconstruction a few years ago. he hit the gym hard for 2 years with ALOT of PT and has been wakeboarding this year without a problem. Guy is still throwing 900's on the snowboard without problems. sickkkk rider.

you may be in the pits but doctors should be smart enough to know never say never.

Personally, i've had alot of shoulder injuries and knee injuries. I'm still riding, will be until the day i die.

First... ironic i posted in this thread before. had ACL reconstruction surgery 1 week ago today and 50% excision of the lateral meniscus + 50% repair. Don't have alot of hope for this wakeboard season... but hoping to surf by the end of june. Boat will be out of storage as soon as im off crutches in 3 weeks.

Hydrocodone is alright stuff. if you want the good stuff get them to prescribe oxycodone (percocet). Only helps for a week before you build up a tolerance to it, then get off it (dont want to end up getting addicted, powerful stuff). then start taking advil, sparingly.

jdl xstar
03-28-2011, 09:59 PM
They gave me a script for Hydrocodone, is this stuff any good?

Ohhh yeah..... thats good stuff for pain relief.

Jorski
03-28-2011, 10:07 PM
Consider a Goode Powervest...it will take a lot of the load off of your shoulder.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNa4jlWIKZk

muskingumriverdocks
03-30-2011, 12:06 PM
Not sure that this is the worst news ever for me but I am having cuff surgery tomorrow. I apparently have a small tear and fraying in a tendon and fraying that an MRI picked up a few weeks back. Pain has been pretty bad for the last several months and decided to bite the bullet and do it, if the pain alleviates any it will be a success. The doc says a routine scope job that will take care of it all.

Anyone else have this done and what should I expect? The doc is saying 6-8 weeks recovery.

Hope your surgery went well. Had mine 1/20/10 went to therapy for 4 months and only have 70% range of motion. Have not skied since but am curious. Still hurts especially when I over use it. Good Luck

Jeff Lyman
04-02-2011, 09:44 PM
Great positive thread. I had both knees blow out Jan 18, 2011 and tore the knee caps from the quads. 7 weeks of no bending and walking with crutches only in full braces. Now has been 4 weeks with no braces and just now started walking normal with 95 degrees ROM so far. Agree lots of PT, stretching and training I'm hopeing to ski in June. Don't think getting up on one will be possible but who cares I need to do it. The gym is my new friend.

My surgeon is also a skier and slowly becoming a friend. While we discuss skiing this summer he has never come out and said "you will do it" or its OK. I think its more about liability.... if you never say you can than there is never anything to worry about???? I agree listen to your own body it will tell you when you have gone to far.

HA..sitting here stretching as I'm typing!!

thatsmrmastercraft
04-03-2011, 12:13 AM
Great positive thread. I had both knees blow out Jan 18, 2011 and tore the knee caps from the quads. 7 weeks of no bending and walking with crutches only in full braces. Now has been 4 weeks with no braces and just now started walking normal with 95 degrees ROM so far. Agree lots of PT, stretching and training I'm hopeing to ski in June. Don't think getting up on one will be possible but who cares I need to do it. The gym is my new friend.

My surgeon is also a skier and slowly becoming a friend. While we discuss skiing this summer he has never come out and said "you will do it" or its OK. I think its more about liability.... if you never say you can than there is never anything to worry about???? I agree listen to your own body it will tell you when you have gone to far.

HA..sitting here stretching as I'm typing!!

Jeff, sounds like you are doing very well with your recovery. Keep up the great work!

Slinkyredfoot
04-03-2011, 06:44 AM
Hope your surgery went well. Had mine 1/20/10 went to therapy for 4 months and only have 70% range of motion. Have not skied since but am curious. Still hurts especially when I over use it. Good Luck

It did go well and thanks for asking First day was pretty painful yesterday I felt great and ready to start the rehab on Monday. If the surgery takes the god awful pain away then it will be worth it. :cool:

Great game last night Butler

thatsmrmastercraft
04-03-2011, 09:29 AM
It did go well and thanks for asking First day was pretty painful yesterday I felt great and ready to start the rehab on Monday. If the surgery takes the god awful pain away then it will be worth it. :cool:

Great game last night Butler

I must have missed your thread about getting this done. Glad to hear you are on the road to recovery. Good luck with the rehab.