View Full Version : What is this engine? How to find out?
08-06-2010, 11:35 PM
I purchased a 1984 MasterCraft Stars & Stripes about a year and half ago. From what I know it has a Ford 351 Cleveland. Is there a way for me to verify this by either the engine numbers?
08-06-2010, 11:41 PM
That should have a 351 Windsor. Post up a pic or two and should be able to tell you.
08-06-2010, 11:43 PM
Here is some pics.
Thanks so much. Also if you know how to identify the transmission ratio that would be great too.
08-06-2010, 11:58 PM
Looks like the standard 351W. The 351C was produced from 1970-1974. Thats not to say it would be impossible to have a Cleveland. Looks original to me.
The following should show the differences:
Now a 351 Windsor is really a slightly enlarged 289/302, as it's name implies it comes from Fords "Windsor" engine family (a.k.a. the 90-degree V engine family). The thin-wall cast SMALL BLOCK accepts regular sized spark plugs, uses a timing chain in the block, routes water through the intake manifold, features thin main-bearing caps, a very good oiling system, and uses the same heads for 2V & 4V versions. The heads are are small, utilizing in-line valves with relatively small ports. The valves are 1.78" intake and 1.54" exhaust, i.e. the same size as a 289/302. The valve covers are straight (front to rear), attached by 5 bolts, and when removed you can see 351 cast in the lifter valley. The small side-by side (in-line) valves are the dead give-away.
The 351 Cleveland, on the other hand, belongs to Ford's 335 engine family. This thin-wall cast BIG SMALL BLOCK uses the smaller 14mm spark plugs, has a separate front cover (bolted to the block) housing the timing chain and routing water - so that water does not go through the intake manifold, features beefy main caps (wide enough to drill for 4-bolt mains), a poor oiling system, and uses different heads for 2V & 4V versions. The heads make all the difference and these fire breathing babies make this motor the legend it is. On the 4V, the valves are HUGE, measuring 2.19" intake and 1.7n" exhaust (don't remember exactly). Valves this large are only possible via a canted valve arrangement, forming what Ford refers to as a "poly-angle" combustion chamber. The valve covers are not straight - the front is flat and parallel to the ground, but a curve twists the rear parallel to the head. They are attached by 8-bolts and when removed, there is a 4 cast into the corner of the 4V and a 2 cast into the corner of the 2V (at least in 1970). The canted valves are the dead giveaway.
08-07-2010, 12:04 AM
Great Thanks for the info, much appreciated. What about finding out the transmission ratio?
08-07-2010, 12:11 AM
There will be a plate attached to the trans.
08-07-2010, 04:19 AM
Looks like a poweslot by the lenght of the tranny?
It is a power slot 100%. The ratio is 1.52 to 1 or 1.52:1.
A standard 1:1 would stop at the line and would have a shaft coupler at the line. A slot will have the bubble on the back of the transmission or what is to the right of the line. This is the reduction gear housing and makes it a power slot.
I know because I have one....
To double check look at the rusty plate that is by the mound and just left of the transmission dip stick.