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SkiDog
06-17-2010, 09:31 PM
Trying to start a poll on this

SkiDog
06-17-2010, 09:34 PM
Here's the poll.

Maristar210
06-17-2010, 09:36 PM
Eddie,

Pour me one brother.

SkiDog
06-17-2010, 09:39 PM
Eddie,

Pour me one brother.

My first POLL and I screw it up!:uglyhamme:uglyhamme:uglyhamme

SkiDog
06-17-2010, 09:41 PM
JohnE, will you please delete THIS thread for me?:D:D:D

JohnE
06-17-2010, 09:42 PM
I can't help at this point. I wish I could.

JohnE
06-17-2010, 09:44 PM
You can try pm'ing moderator1 or modx.

coz
06-17-2010, 09:56 PM
My first POLL and I screw it up!:uglyhamme:uglyhamme

I hear they're hard....keep working on it Dog :D

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t5/brendan13_photo/buckwheat/donnelly/babs-pole-dance.jpg

JohnE
06-17-2010, 10:01 PM
IMHO, the old teamtalk was a great blend of technical info and fun. There is very little personality to the newer teamtalk. We've lost a lot of great contributers over the years and I'm not even one of the older members. Some here have seen TeamTalk in all it's incarnations. Not to take anything away from some of our newer members. But they are missing out on what once was. If it gets too boring and technical, a lot of knowledgeable people will stop coming here. We have/ had a great group of people with a ton of boat knowledge who also liked some joking and fun. Take away the fun and you'll have a bunch of guys coming here asking questions with nobody to answer. Fact is that there aren't a lot of technical topics that haven't been discussed. I can answer almost any question with a link to a thread where said question has already been discussed. Take the fun away and you may as well lock the forum and it can just serve as an archive.

JohnE
06-17-2010, 10:02 PM
Dog, are you implying that the old style forum wasn't technical? Poll options may be misleading. Not sure if you can edit the poll choices.

JohnE
06-17-2010, 10:03 PM
Skidog, you should pm someone to try to close this thread since you seem to have achieved your poll here. http://mastercraft.com/teamtalk/showthread.php?t=36173

SkiDog
06-17-2010, 10:11 PM
Dog, are you implying that the old style forum wasn't technical? Poll options may be misleading. Not sure if you can edit the poll choices.

No. I know there were a lot of technical threads, but there were just as many, if not more, funny threads, useless polls, in general, different stuff than what we have now. I've made a LOT on great friends from here, but it sure ain't like it used to be!

JohnE
06-17-2010, 10:14 PM
No. I know there were a lot of technical threads, but there were just as many, if not more, funny threads, useless polls, in general, different stuff than what we have now. I've made a LOT on great friends from here, but it sure ain't like it used to be!

I know that's what you meant, but poll options are a little misleading....especially to newer member. :idunno:

JohnE
06-17-2010, 10:15 PM
BTW, I think you can vote in your own poll. get on it.

scott023
06-17-2010, 11:05 PM
Not to be rude, but what's the point of having a purely technical forum? I know there are more than a couple of guys that come here for the freindly banter as much as they do for "details". This forum has a bunch of great guys that can contribute both humor and assistance, why stray from the members strong suits?

I really think some of the mods need to stop trying to make the forum what THEY want it to be. Leave it as is, if you don't like it, lump it. :D

SkiDog
06-18-2010, 12:01 AM
Not to be rude, but what's the point of having a purely technical forum? I know there are more than a couple of guys that come here for the freindly banter as much as they do for "details". This forum has a bunch of great guys that can contribute both humor and assistance, why stray from the members strong suits?

I really think some of the mods need to stop trying to make the forum what THEY want it to be. Leave it as is, if you don't like it, lump it. :D

Good point Scott!

906 TOTAL posts of the 3 that voted for the tech side. Just saying..........

thatsmrmastercraft
06-18-2010, 12:09 AM
I found this forum less than two years when I bought my '77 and and it has been absolutely indispensable. Most everything Mastercraft / inboard related I learned from here, and have had many hours of enjoyment along the way. Owning a Mastercraft becomes a way of life, and for many of us, this forum has become a big part of our lives as well. I appreciate the desire to keep Team Talk on the cutting edge of technology, just as our beloved boats continue to evolve. This forum is, after all, provided by MC and serves as a MC flag, so it is important to maintain the proper high level presence in front of the competition.

I very much enjoy all the good humored banter and would hate for this forum to lose it's personality and personalities in exchange for a technical clearinghouse. With that said, I find it hard to believe that a change in format would kill all the personality that lives here.

JohnE
06-18-2010, 08:09 AM
I found this forum less than two years when I bought my '77 and and it has been absolutely indispensable. Most everything Mastercraft / inboard related I learned from here, and have had many hours of enjoyment along the way. Owning a Mastercraft becomes a way of life, and for many of us, this forum has become a big part of our lives as well. I appreciate the desire to keep Team Talk on the cutting edge of technology, just as our beloved boats continue to evolve. This forum is, after all, provided by MC and serves as a MC flag, so it is important to maintain the proper high level presence in front of the competition.

I very much enjoy all the good humored banter and would hate for this forum to lose it's personality and personalities in exchange for a technical clearinghouse. With that said, I find it hard to believe that a change in format would kill all the personality that lives here.

It's not the change in format...some here feel there is no place for fun and prefer it that way. Aside from that I agree with everything you posted.

thatsmrmastercraft
06-18-2010, 08:44 AM
I found this forum less than two years when I bought my '77 and and it has been absolutely indispensable. Most everything Mastercraft / inboard related I learned from here, and have had many hours of enjoyment along the way. Owning a Mastercraft becomes a way of life, and for many of us, this forum has become a big part of our lives as well. I appreciate the desire to keep Team Talk on the cutting edge of technology, just as our beloved boats continue to evolve. This forum is, after all, provided by MC and serves as a MC flag, so it is important to maintain the proper high level presence in front of the competition.

I very much enjoy all the good humored banter and would hate for this forum to lose it's personality and personalities in exchange for a technical clearinghouse. With that said, I find it hard to believe that a change in format would kill all the personality that lives here.

It's not the change in format...some here feel there is no place for fun and prefer it that way. Aside from that I agree with everything you posted.

There certainly has been a decline in the good natured fun. I had, perhaps incorrectly, assumed it had more to do with people becoming increasingly busy with the onset of warm weather and finding themselves in front of the computer less. I have only been chastised once by a moderator and it was well deserved. Aside from that one occurrence. I have had no reason to change the amount of humor that I have exercised here. I'm not disagreeing with you, rather relaying my experience. I assume you have a better feel for this having been on here for quite a bit longer than I have.

mrprostar
06-18-2010, 09:13 AM
I'm relatively new to this thread and am one of the readers who doesn't post much (compared to some). My only suggestion is making is easier to find those old threads about topics specific to troubleshooting or care of our boats. It gets really tedious trying to find a specific topic using the current search methods and I just end up creating a new thread and feel stupid when the first responding post is a link. The info here is seemingly endless but very disorganized and difficult to find creating MANY repeats. I come here daily for many reasons, probably the least of which is specific to my boat. If it becomes purely technical I know I would be here only when I had a problem. Without pictures of beautiful boats and glassy waters and threads about skiing and barefooting the entertainment would be gone and me along with it. Then what would I do with my down time at work?

Ryan
06-18-2010, 11:20 AM
Um, no.

Since you asked...
Some retention of organic communication between consumers is critical for social media/forums to succeed. This is the root of my issue. Mods move threads & posts around, deleting comments that are non-issues. This stifles on-line conversations. I get the feeling that the current mods took their responsibility strongly and I am sure they are well intentioned. However, I find it strange, annoying and disheartening how often threads or comments are move just because a mod wants it somewhere else or all-together delete it. Maybe this is useful to some, but when I start a thread, I put thought into the category I'm placing it in and would appreciate they leave it alone unless I post questionable content. There’s no way they can keep up with putting all ballast related threads or 'my boat won't start' threads together, so why some & not all? I've been on here for 7+ years and iffy content is not my MO, so I'm quite fine with content censorship. The mods need to protect the brand equity MasterCraft has developed. Why the mods go hard-core sparatically and pictures of little girls in swimsuits are left in the swimsuit thread is beyond me. :mad:

Finally, the marketing team should be more involved to give the mods a little coaching on communicating with a consistent brand voice and within consistent guidelines - it's a tough gig for a few rotating volunteers trying to do what they think is best. I'd flip out if any of the facebook sites I've worked on had the variation our mods do. But, I'm just in marketing, so what do I know? This forum is still good and very useful, but it's losing the heart and fun that used to exist. Oh, and (off topic) I still miss the gallery icon on everyone's posts.:rolleyes:

scott023
06-18-2010, 11:40 AM
Lots of great points in Ryan's post.

cbryan70
06-18-2010, 12:07 PM
This forum has changed alot in the past couple of years. Seems to be alot more thin skinned members or members that get offended and run to a mod.

Ryan
06-18-2010, 12:34 PM
This forum has changed alot in the past couple of years. Seems to be alot more thin skinned members or members that get offended and run to a mod.

Agreed. Some members were run off by mods. To be fair, some of the interesting & fun characters caused their own demise. We lost some good members who sold their boats and never looked back too. It's fine with me that some left. Glad some, like Doug, still hang around. :dance:

I have ideas for forum contests to liven things up... but unless the stars align, this thread will get off track and be at risk for being deleted :cool:

Maristar210
06-18-2010, 03:30 PM
My post count used to be 10,000. So many of my threads and posts have been deleted it isn't even funny. I start a thread for the friday night online crowd called Hoosier Bob Whatcha drinking and I get a PM telling me my thread was pointless and the entire thread is dumped.

I can tell you many threads on here are meant to be fun. After all that's what they call it OFF TOPIC. If you are a mod and you don't like it fine but move on and read something else but I see no reason to delete the entire thread just because you don't care for the subject. It baffles the hell out of my why someone would feel they need to do this. I guess the Friday Night Sign Show days are over. . . .

ski_king
06-18-2010, 03:56 PM
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JohnE
06-18-2010, 06:34 PM
I can tell you my thoughts on being a mod. I wouldn't and haven't ever deleted a thread unless it was either a spam thread or the one that was unequivocally detrimental to MC. I take my personal thoughts out of the equation. I have edited maybe 5 posts and when I did I sent a pm to the original poster explaining why. Typically I'll send a PM first asking that the post get edited. But sometimes they aren't back soon enough so I'll edit. This isn't my forum and I don't want to influence it other than expressing my opinion as any member would. All I want to do is protect the interest of the owner of this site when necessary. I firmly believe that the people who run this site never hear from the happy members. Just the ones with thin skin or an axe to grind. There have been a lot of good points made in this thread. Keep the thoughts coming because I know the folks at MC will appreciate them as long as they are conveyed in a constructive manner.

Footin
06-18-2010, 06:36 PM
John, I agree with your post......especially the last two words.

shepherd
06-18-2010, 09:51 PM
Well THIS thread isn't much ****ing fun either. ;)

Hey Eddie, whatcha drinkin??? :D

east tx skier
06-19-2010, 03:07 AM
I'll say it again. Just throw a stereo folder under the maintenance heading and call it a day.

Problem solved.

:)

JohnE
06-19-2010, 06:29 PM
I'll say it again. Just throw a stereo folder under the maintenance heading and call it a day.

Problem solved.

:)

If we had a better search engine life would be complete.

SkiDog
06-20-2010, 08:58 PM
My post count used to be 10,000. So many of my threads and posts have been deleted it isn't even funny. I start a thread for the friday night online crowd called Hoosier Bob Whatcha drinking and I get a PM telling me my thread was pointless and the entire thread is dumped.

I can tell you many threads on here are meant to be fun. After all that's what they call it OFF TOPIC. If you are a mod and you don't like it fine but move on and read something else but I see no reason to delete the entire thread just because you don't care for the subject. It baffles the hell out of my why someone would feel they need to do this. I guess the Friday Night Sign Show days are over. . . .

Steve, its against the law to have fun on here ANYMORE! Can't believe what this forum has turned into.:( Now it seems that one of the biggest jokesters on here has turned into Mr. technoman, and thats all he wants to see as far as threads & posts are concerned. So, I say we need to get rid of all the off topic stuff and replace with oil filters, teak oil, stuffing, impellers, and other FUN related crap!\
I love the line in the movie ShawShank Redemption, "You can get busy living' or get busy dying". I see where this is headed.:mad:

ski_king
06-20-2010, 09:13 PM
I see all the birthday threads havn't been deleted yet...

vision
06-20-2010, 10:52 PM
Second the better search engine suggestion. Remove all category labels. Just index all threads and have a std search engine.

loeweb
06-20-2010, 10:59 PM
As previously mentioned to make things work here and truly be successful we need both sides of the fence. We need those that like to play around and have a good time and put in their two cents and be funny about it, and we need the techies that completely understand the mechanical, electrical, and structural workings of our boats.
The tough task falls on the moderators shoulders and keeping it clean. Personally, I feel that it is not a family site but more a PG-13 site. At the very least we are young adults and can make good judgements about what we post publicly. I like to think that most everyone on here is not coming to see girls in bikinis although you can find it here. I agree that we should keep it clean, but at the same time, everyone needs to be able to take a joke and move forward with the conversations and understand that everyone looks at everything differently.
I personally try not to joke around too much in fear that it will offend too many people, but I love reading others comments. At the same time, I love to know what the he!! is going on with my boat and what I need to do to fix it.

cbryan70
06-21-2010, 10:23 AM
I see all the birthday threads havn't been deleted yet...


Now THAT is funny. :rolleyes:

ModX
06-21-2010, 10:34 AM
My post count used to be 10,000. So many of my threads and posts have been deleted it isn't even funny. I start a thread for the friday night online crowd called Hoosier Bob Whatcha drinking and I get a PM telling me my thread was pointless and the entire thread is dumped.

I can tell you many threads on here are meant to be fun. After all that's what they call it OFF TOPIC. If you are a mod and you don't like it fine but move on and read something else but I see no reason to delete the entire thread just because you don't care for the subject. It baffles the hell out of my why someone would feel they need to do this. I guess the Friday Night Sign Show days are over. . . .

The Hoosier Bob Whatcha drinking Thread deleted by TMC (http://www.mastercraft.com/teamtalk/member.php?u=1077), Director of Mastercraft Marketing and the person over Team Talk
Reason: Pornographic material on the thread

Sodar
06-21-2010, 10:48 AM
Well, I think the Poll speaks for itself. All those that are in favor of the new "Technical Site" are infrequent posters who probably primarily use the site for information and never hang around much. 27 folks in favor of keeping the site the way it is and enjoying the friendships as well as the various information that is offered. There is more to this site than teak oil and fuel pumps.

east tx skier
06-21-2010, 12:44 PM
If we had a better search engine life would be complete.

You certainly wouldn't want one created by someone who doesn't own the right brand of boat, would you? Such things are only reserved for a select few.

:rolleyes:

JohnE
06-21-2010, 12:52 PM
You certainly wouldn't want one created by someone who doesn't own the right brand of boat, would you? Such things are only reserved for a select few.

:rolleyes:

I don't judge.

cbryan70
06-21-2010, 01:48 PM
I don't judge.

John...I see you are no longer a mod? When do you get the powers back?

Also I love that TTadmin voted in this thread? I am going to guess that the way HE voted is the way that this forum is heading. So guys....NO MORE FUN. No unrelated topics please. What will be interesting is when someone other then MC makes a forum and all of the members flock there....I am going to guess this is a major reason that MC wins website of the year......

TTAdmin
06-21-2010, 01:54 PM
This is good, honest feedback...helps us going forward on the best direction to head-
"Optimized search functionality...with organized "techie" categories of information, self-help and advice...without eroding (or even improving upon) the fun playground attributes".
Balancing the help with the fun is a major opportunity for us all-

cbryan70
06-21-2010, 01:59 PM
The google search function would help this forum greatly. It is almost easier to just used google now and search the topic that way then to come to this forum and use the search function here. 99% of the time if it relates to an inboard this forum comes up first anyways.

east tx skier
06-21-2010, 03:27 PM
I don't judge.

That's a good quality to have.

By the way, rumor has it that there is still a TMC Search by Google out there on yonder interwebs.

I might know someone with directions to it.

Sodar
06-21-2010, 03:51 PM
That's a good quality to have.

By the way, rumor has it that there is still a TMC Search by Google out there on yonder interwebs.

I might know someone with directions to it.

I would ask for directions, but I don't speak to non-MC owning, non-top posting guys.

My loss, I guess.

flipper
06-21-2010, 04:14 PM
This place needs to loosen up a bit.

flipper
06-21-2010, 04:28 PM
I start a thread for the friday night online crowd called Hoosier Bob Whatcha drinking and I get a PM telling me my thread was pointless and the entire thread is dumped. . .


That was a damn good thread. LOL

TX.X-30 fan
06-21-2010, 06:45 PM
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I agree 100% :D

JohnE
06-21-2010, 07:09 PM
This is good, honest feedback...helps us going forward on the best direction to head-
"Optimized search functionality...with organized "techie" categories of information, self-help and advice...without eroding (or even improving upon) the fun playground attributes".
Balancing the help with the fun is a major opportunity for us all-

That is the right direction. Because without the fun, nobody with answers will be here. It'll be a bunch of guys looking for answers with nobody to answer. No one spends hours a day here JUST for the technical info. I will concede that some of the fun ends up causing the folks who own this site some grief. But IMO you have to take the good with the bad. This is a great place for support and I know a lot of people here came here when they were considering buying boats. I've personally talked with over a dozen who were attending fanfare to share my experience there and most if not all ended up buying. Certainly not because of the forum, but it didn't hurt.

SkiDog
06-21-2010, 07:34 PM
That is the right direction. Because without the fun, nobody with answers will be here. It'll be a bunch of guys looking for answers with nobody to answer. No one spends hours a day here JUST for the technical info. I will concede that some of the fun ends up causing the folks who own this site some grief. But IMO you have to take the good with the bad. This is a great place for support and I know a lot of people here came here when they were considering buying boats. I've personally talked with over a dozen who were attending fanfare to share my experience there and most if not all ended up buying. Certainly not because of the forum, but it didn't hurt.

This IS the place I came when I decided I was ready for my THIRD Mastercraft. Probably wouldn't have bought if I hadn't found this place. Might have bought a different brand simply cause I had a friend who was the dealer. And probably coulda bought a NEW boat for cheaper than I paid for a used MC.

JohnE
06-21-2010, 09:33 PM
If not for this place I'd still have my old tristar. Given the economy that wouldn't be a bad thing. Three boats later I'm a little worse for wear.

scott023
06-21-2010, 09:55 PM
If it wasn't for the good natured ribbing I saw on here, I wouldn't have thought that the MC "family" would have been such a great thing to buy into...

CruisinGA
06-22-2010, 08:51 AM
Edit: wrong thread