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Davo
06-15-2010, 04:18 PM
I was thinking of replacing the tower gaskets (at the base where it meets the hull).

Is it even neccessary? They don't look like they do much to protect the hull.

If I should change them - where to buy?

Thanks.

Maristar210
06-15-2010, 04:33 PM
M-Funf has made some replacements out of a durable material and Sodar has a set on his boat.

PM one or both of them.

Davo
06-15-2010, 04:45 PM
Cool - thank ya.

M-Funf
06-15-2010, 04:55 PM
M-Funf has made some replacements out of a durable material and Sodar has a set on his boat.

PM one or both of them.

Thanks for the plug :D

They look really nice...

I only have molds for these specific tower pads. Sodar has them on his boat, which is a new Prostar 197. Not sure which tower...looks like this...

58997

58993

Here's pics of them on the bote:

58998

58999

Davo
06-15-2010, 05:02 PM
They do look good.

I sent ya a PM.

Sodar
06-15-2010, 05:09 PM
Yeah, those OEM pads are kind of a joke!

M-Funf's pads are totally sweet!

OEM Pads
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_m3bPnaMHpYM/S6A1-OXQd6I/AAAAAAAADtg/u1NE1Iv-7Vc/s800/IMG_0026.jpg

M-Funf
06-15-2010, 05:10 PM
Yeah, those OEM pads are kind of a joke!

M-Funf's pads are totally sweet!

OEM Pads
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_m3bPnaMHpYM/S6A1-OXQd6I/AAAAAAAADtg/u1NE1Iv-7Vc/s800/IMG_0026.jpg

Those look pretty choice, Sodar!:rolleyes:

sponseb
06-15-2010, 05:22 PM
where did you buy the new ones? Also, what size nuts hold the bolts that hold the tower?

Sodar
06-15-2010, 05:28 PM
M-Funf makes them from a mold he took from my tower.

The pads are guaranteed to fit ONLY Prostar 190/197's with the Zero-Flex Flyer Towers.

I believe the first year of the 190/197 Hull was 2001 and the last year they used the Zero Flex Flyer Towers was 2007. These pads will work for both the full height and Mini Towers.

M-Funf
06-15-2010, 05:31 PM
Thanks for the clarifications, Sodar.

I will add that it is very unlikely that I will make another set of molds for a different tower configuration. I can cast more parts from the same molds until they're used up, but making a new set of molds takes a lot of time and $$$.

5280Hawk
06-15-2010, 05:35 PM
BTW how hard is it to get at the nuts for the tower bolts? my gasket has slipped and looks rediculous, i want to at least straighten it back into place.

Davo
06-15-2010, 05:49 PM
BTW how hard is it to get at the nuts for the tower bolts? my gasket has slipped and looks rediculous, i want to at least straighten it back into place.

It doesn't seem too hard on my X-5 (PS190). You've got to be somewhat nimble to climb under the front hull.

I believe the hex for the tower is 1/2". I looked around here at hardware stores and even harbour freight tools and finally found one at northerntool.com for $10.

Maristar210
06-15-2010, 10:18 PM
Remember angular dimensions for these towers varies. Jeff's design is one that will last a lifetime. Perhaps the factory should consider an outsourcing option?

M-Funf
06-15-2010, 11:49 PM
Remember angular dimensions for these towers varies. Jeff's design is one that will last a lifetime. Perhaps the factory should consider an outsourcing option?

It's gonna cost them, Steve...:rolleyes:

M-Funf
06-17-2010, 11:35 AM
Remember angular dimensions for these towers varies. Jeff's design is one that will last a lifetime. Perhaps the factory should consider an outsourcing option?

So, knowing this, I was asked if these tower pads will work for a particular application:

"I've got a 2001 Maristar 210 with a Zeroflex tower. It is a hull copy of a X-10. Do you think that the pads would work for it? "

Any idea if they will work?

Davo
06-17-2010, 03:21 PM
FYI - I found out after talking to a local dealer that MC doesn't make the pads for the zero flex tower anymore. Instead, they suggest just cutting to fit a dense foam material from the hardware store. I haven't looked at the hardware store yet to see what material I could find that would be best suited for this application, but if I find something that works I'll let y'all know.

Jeff's pads are really nice, but more than I am willing to pay for this particular item. Thanks again for the offer.

-David

prostar205
06-17-2010, 03:46 PM
I have the same issue with the rubber pads. Now, all MC towers come with a nylon block that goes between the tower leg and the fiberglass part of the boat. When I was last at the factory (March 2010), they told me the current tower design (2007 - 2010) all use the same front and rear feet. My tower is a 2005. I am going to order a set of these nylon blocks and have a buddy machine them to fit my 2005 tower feet. I'll let everyone know if it works.

BTW - M-funF: those tower pads you made look GREAT!!!!

Maristar210
06-17-2010, 03:53 PM
So, knowing this, I was asked if these tower pads will work for a particular application:

"I've got a 2001 Maristar 210 with a Zeroflex tower. It is a hull copy of a X-10. Do you think that the pads would work for it? "

Any idea if they will work?

I say no. They will not. Unless it is a 2005 or newer tower on the boat.

Sodar
06-17-2010, 04:10 PM
MC stopped using the full-size Zero-Flex Flyer towers in 2004 and the mini towers in 2007.

The pads Mfunf made will ONLY work on the Zero-Flex Flyer Towers.

Also, they were designed for the hull profile of the 190/197. We have been unable to try the pads on any other hulls and cannot guarantee the fit.

For a little more description, the Zero-Flex Flyer towers look like the New Dimension towers. The Zero-Flex Flyer towers consist of two (2) tower legs that typically follow the windshield radius and then an upper assembly that is the actual tower.

Below are samples of the Zero-Flex Flyer towers....

Full Height (01-04)
http://www.mastercraft.com/photopost/data/500/fridayglass.jpg

Mini (01-07)
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_m3bPnaMHpYM/RtTzNl9lLaI/AAAAAAAABnY/nxsWnokvKyM/s800/DSC01902.JPG

Davo
06-28-2010, 12:41 PM
Nice lookin boats, Sodar!

Here is a website where you can order rubber sheets or film for tower pads/gaskets and cut your own.

I ordered the poly film in .1" (thickest option for film). It comes in a 12" x 6" sheet with a 70 durometer rating (four choices for hardness at that thickness and this was hardest) which is medium soft like pencil eraser density (but much more durable). I hope it's thick and tough enough. I'll let ya know how it works.

The rubber sheets have more options for thickness and hardness and size to build your own.

http://www.mcmaster.com/#rubber/=7qakhn

carlsonwa
06-28-2010, 01:25 PM
Thanks for the clarifications, Sodar.

I will add that it is very unlikely that I will make another set of molds for a different tower configuration. I can cast more parts from the same molds until they're used up, but making a new set of molds takes a lot of time and $$$.

Can I purchase a set of those from you?

Let me know, thanks!

Wayne

M-Funf
06-28-2010, 01:53 PM
Can I purchase a set of those from you?

Let me know, thanks!

Wayne

Yes, you can. Do you have the same tower and boat as Sodar? They'll only fit the Zero-Flex Flyer with a hull shape like the 190/197.

brucemac
06-28-2010, 02:28 PM
what's the return policy?

M-Funf
06-28-2010, 02:32 PM
what's the return policy?

When you can't see my taillights any more...I'm gone.

TX.X-30 fan
06-28-2010, 04:52 PM
Yeah, those OEM pads are kind of a joke!

M-Funf's pads are totally sweet!

OEM Pads
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_m3bPnaMHpYM/S6A1-OXQd6I/AAAAAAAADtg/u1NE1Iv-7Vc/s800/IMG_0026.jpg



Were those made by a canadian firm??

BriEOD
06-29-2010, 06:36 AM
I'd be interested in a set as well. I have a 2001 Zero Flex Tower on a 2000 PS 205. Lemme' know.

Gracias.

broncotw
07-12-2010, 09:58 PM
I added some new tower pads to my 197TT.....

M-Funf
08-17-2010, 01:49 PM
I added some new tower pads to my 197TT.....

Broncotw,
Looks great!

How do you like them?

I never knew your name here on TT, and I haven't looked at this thread in a while. Most recent set went to a TT member in Australia!!!

coz
08-17-2010, 02:42 PM
Were those made by a canadian firm??

Some where near Travis lake Texas I believe :cool:

brucemac
08-17-2010, 03:10 PM
when are you going to make the 01-04 zero flex funf? i would think you'd have quite a few takers

:)

Sodar
08-17-2010, 03:13 PM
when are you going to make the 01-04 zero flex funf? i would think you'd have quite a few takers

:)

Right after you take your tower off and send him the legs!

M-Funf
08-17-2010, 03:18 PM
Right after you take your tower off and send him the legs!

What he said...:D

M-Funf
08-17-2010, 03:21 PM
when are you going to make the 01-04 zero flex funf? i would think you'd have quite a few takers

:)

Will work for booze :rolleyes:

Wake2004
08-17-2010, 03:32 PM
I might be willing to try these out on my 2004 205v Sodar is your tower 1 7/8"? M FunF can you send me a price?

M-Funf
08-17-2010, 03:44 PM
I might be willing to try these out on my 2004 205v Sodar is your tower 1 7/8"? M FunF can you send me a price?

Post up a couple of good pics of your tower. I can probably tell you if they'll fit. I'm guessing the answer is no, but it's worth a look.

brucemac
08-17-2010, 04:31 PM
lol........

jedwards
08-23-2010, 12:49 PM
I have 2006 PS 190 with a Zero Flex minitower. Where can I get a fresh set of mounting pads and how much will they cost ?

Sodar
08-23-2010, 01:14 PM
Send M-Funf a Private Message.

NSXBill
08-25-2010, 09:03 AM
...Also, what size nuts hold the bolts that hold the tower?

Nut size is 5/8-11 UNC (5/8 inch diameter, course thread, 11 threads per inch). Nut should be a stainless steel Nyloc (locking insert) version. In Atlanta area, Threads of the South sells these.

Be sure to use anti-seize compound (available at AutoZone) on threads to prevent galling/seizing.

M-Funf
08-25-2010, 07:13 PM
I have 2006 PS 190 with a Zero Flex minitower. Where can I get a fresh set of mounting pads and how much will they cost ?

Sent you a PM. Just got more material in and will be starting to make more tower pads again this week...

BigBarney
02-28-2011, 05:37 PM
Time to revive. My supports are toast.

Can someone tell me the material/thickness in case I want to make my own.

M-Funf
03-15-2011, 12:37 PM
Time to revive. My supports are toast.

Can someone tell me the material/thickness in case I want to make my own.

They look to be about 1/8" thick, and cut out with kids scissors.

I'm working on another tower/boat configuration now. This one is a 2001 Maristar 210 with the ND tower. The front leg is similar to the rear leg of the last ones I did, so I'm thinking that pad will work. The rear pad is VERY different. It's not flat like the 190. It has a curve at the end to fit the hull shape.
I've made two molds. The first one didn't wrap around the curve like I wanted, so now I'm on Rev. 2. Hope to hit it this time. If all goes well, we should have that tower back on very soon.

These are pictures of the end of the tower leg, and a picture of the mold to cast them in...

sand2snow22
03-15-2011, 12:41 PM
M-F, do you have any for a 2003 X-10?

M-Funf
03-15-2011, 01:38 PM
M-F, do you have any for a 2003 X-10?

Nope. Only the PS190 with ND Zero-Flex and now the 2001 Maristar 210 with ND Zero-Flex.

Sodar
03-15-2011, 01:45 PM
Done any of those super duper UV Resistant pads?

sand2snow22
03-15-2011, 01:50 PM
Nope. Only the PS190 with ND Zero-Flex and now the 2001 Maristar 210 with ND Zero-Flex.

It has a Zero Flex tower, you sure they won't fit?

M-Funf
03-15-2011, 02:02 PM
Done any of those super duper UV Resistant pads?

Yeah, I sent you a set in the box with the wine...

It has a Zero Flex tower, you sure they won't fit?

I don't know for sure. I'd have to see/measure the tower legs. Sodar sent his tower legs up to me to fit the pads, and the Maristar is local to me, so I met the owner and he gave me one of the legs.

Sodar might know better...

Sodar
03-15-2011, 02:08 PM
I didn't realize those were the super duper set.

Muchas Gracias!!

M-Funf
03-15-2011, 02:08 PM
I didn't realize those were the super duper set.

Muchas Gracias!!

de nada...

Sodar
03-15-2011, 02:10 PM
I need you to send me one more rear pad then, so I have a full replacement set....

I used one of the rear pads to replace that one that.... well you know.

M-Funf
03-15-2011, 02:15 PM
I need you to send me one more rear pad then, so I have a full replacement set....

I used one of the rear pads to replace that one that.... well you know.

The small one, correct? I have one here I can send.

Sodar
03-15-2011, 02:19 PM
Perfect-O!

dummy
03-15-2011, 06:20 PM
I'm gonna be installing a factory tower from a '04 X-30 on my '00 Maristar next month. Looks like the rear foot machining is about 4.5-inches (maybe 4-7/16 but whatever) as shown in the photo.

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd176/chinhazel/Boat/IMG_9250.jpg

I PM'd you for a quote on the Maristar 210 tower feet. If it looks like that rear foot is the same measurement on the 210 tower and you've got 'em ready for sale I'll buy a set of pads and see if they work on the bigger boats.

M-Funf
03-15-2011, 06:48 PM
Does it have that curve at the small end like in my picture above? Looks very similar.

dummy
03-15-2011, 07:01 PM
Yes, there's a curve. The tape measurer is just covering it and the flash makes it look flatter than it is. The contour very similar/identical to the photo you posted.

dummy
03-15-2011, 07:07 PM
Here's the front tower foot. It's flat and the machined surface length is 4 inches. Note the wires in the rear hole for the speakers/lights/etc

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd176/chinhazel/Boat/IMG_9251.jpg

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd176/chinhazel/Boat/IMG_9252.jpg

M-Funf
03-16-2011, 12:00 PM
Got the second mold cast last night. The first part cast always looks a bit rough. The next one should be better. I also had an "apocalyptic overpour" incident when I cast this part, so it's too thick and I had to trim off the excess. The part fits the leg much better. Now I need to make the mirrored mold for the other side and cast that part. Should be ready for fitment in a week or maybe two if work keeps getting in the way or the rain keeps up...

M-Funf
04-21-2011, 02:26 PM
Got the test fit done on MC4Snets' boat yesterday. Didn't look right until we tightened everything up...then it looked pretty good. I think when (if) it warms up, a little more tightening will make it even better.

Making the other side rear mold starting today. Should have that in hand early next week. Make a full set with the UV stuff and mount the tower up.

MC4SNETS
04-28-2011, 12:09 AM
The test fit pads fit great as M-Funf said. He did a great job designing the mold for a tricky rear tower mount that curves around the top edge of the gunwales. Here are a couple phone pics that really do not do the fit justice. I'll post the finished product when the full set is installed, the sun is shining and the boat is clean.

dummy
04-28-2011, 09:26 AM
Sweet!

M-Funf, don't forget to put me down for a set as soon as you get 'em finished. I PM'd you, but just in case you forgot, shoot me a PM when they're ready and I'll paypal you the funds and give you my shipping info.

M-Funf
04-28-2011, 05:14 PM
Great pics :rolleyes:

Thanks for the kind words. I just received the other rear mold today, so I should start casting either tomorrow or this weekend, time permitting. It will take me a week or so because of cure time and demolding.

Didn't forget ya, Dummy.

I am running a bit low on material, but I'm hoping to get at least two sets done before ordering more.

M-Funf
05-04-2011, 02:17 PM
MCBarefoot197,
There seems to be a problem with the PM's I sent you. They keep getting delayed. Yours get to me, though. Please send me another PM with an E=mail addy and I'll send you more info.
Thx.

aaron.
05-04-2011, 03:29 PM
Did you get my PM?

M-Funf
05-04-2011, 03:50 PM
Did you get my PM?

Yes, and I replied. Something is screwed up with my PM...

Send me a PM with an e-mail addy and we can chat that way.

I can make you another set just like the ones I've done before. I still have the molds, but no parts laying around.

G-Star
05-04-2011, 04:36 PM
M-Funf,

I don't suppose you've got anything for the 205V hull?

M-Funf
05-04-2011, 05:42 PM
M-Funf,

I don't suppose you've got anything for the 205V hull?

Unless the hull is the same as the 190/197 or the Maristar 210, I don't.

Goalie_ken
05-04-2011, 06:53 PM
M-Funf

How can I get a set for my Maristar 210?

thanks!

M-Funf
05-04-2011, 06:59 PM
M-Funf

How can I get a set for my Maristar 210?

thanks!

PM me with your contact information and I'll contact you.

I have not started producing MS210 sets yet. I should begin this week, though.

G-Star
05-04-2011, 07:00 PM
Unless the hull is the same as the 190/197 or the Maristar 210, I don't.

Sounds like I'm out of luck.

Goalie_ken
05-05-2011, 11:44 AM
Just sent you a PM

Sodar
05-05-2011, 12:14 PM
When can I expect a royalty check?

aaron.
05-05-2011, 12:46 PM
Yes, and I replied. Something is screwed up with my PM...

Send me a PM with an e-mail addy and we can chat that way.

I can make you another set just like the ones I've done before. I still have the molds, but no parts laying around.

apparently the gentleman i purchased my boat from already has a set of pads that he purchased from you. I'm trying to buy those. If that falls through, I'll shoot you a line. Thanks sir! :)

MC4SNETS
05-10-2011, 12:24 AM
Met with M-Funf today as he delivered the final product and helped me install the remaining tower pads.

I must say what an amazing custom product for a niche market You may not realize the thought and work that went into each of these custom molds that were computer designed and machined to exact specs to fit a goofy bar end milled to fit the curve of a Mastercraft hull - far from a flat oval.

Thanks to Jeff!

I promise some pics as soon as I pull her out for a good cleaning in the sunshine.

These Maristar 210 tower pads rock!

M-Funf
05-10-2011, 11:37 AM
Met with M-Funf today as he delivered the final product and helped me install the remaining tower pads.

I must say what an amazing custom product for a niche market You may not realize the thought and work that went into each of these custom molds that were computer designed and machined to exact specs to fit a goofy bar end milled to fit the curve of a Mastercraft hull - far from a flat oval.

Thanks to Jeff!

I promise some pics as soon as I pull her out for a good cleaning in the sunshine.

These Maristar 210 tower pads rock!

Thanks for the kind words, SNETS. It was a pleasure working with you, and thank you so much for leaving me with the tower leg for so long.

Time to drag that boat out and enjoy the season!

MC4SNETS
05-23-2011, 12:37 AM
Pics maybe tomorrow.....

Got the boat out and did the spring cleaning today. Took some good pics of the new tower and awesome pads. Will try to post pics tomorrow....lol......honestly, I have no idea where my camera card reader is!

MC4SNETS
05-23-2011, 01:08 PM
OK, I found the card reader.....Now nobody better drool on these tower pad pics!

russlars
05-23-2011, 02:28 PM
The tower on my '99 205 and hull looks the same as MC4SNETS. Is it safe to assume that the same pads will fit my boat?

M-Funf
05-23-2011, 02:47 PM
The tower on my '99 205 and hull looks the same as MC4SNETS. Is it safe to assume that the same pads will fit my boat?

Probably not, but if you get some pics posted, we can take a look...

b33nine
09-02-2011, 05:19 PM
you should definitely make these for an 05 X-Star, they look amazing and I imagine the functionality is the best part.

M-Funf
09-02-2011, 05:43 PM
you should definitely make these for an 05 X-Star, they look amazing and I imagine the functionality is the best part.

I don't have molds for the X-Star and would need to have a tower in my hands to design them.
Either that, or somebody could convince ND to get back to me to discuss this…they don't respond to me.

b33nine
09-02-2011, 06:38 PM
ND? Does the process require having a pretty elaborate setup in pulling molds off the tower?

russlars
04-27-2012, 04:38 PM
A fellow MC owner came up with another idea for making your own tower pads and I copied him. These are made from material purchased from a shoe repair shop. It is the spongy sole material found on a lot of "comfort" shoes and is about 5/8" thick. I just set them under the tower leg, marked them, cut them out with some heavy duty scissors and then sanded them smooth with a belt sander. I may cut these down a bit more but I think they turned out pretty good for just a few bucks. When you tighten the bolt it sucks into the material and conforms it to the hull.

Old pad in it's contorted state and the new pad made and installed:

nickespi
05-08-2012, 03:03 PM
Great work, russlars!

russlars
05-08-2012, 03:48 PM
Great work, russlars!
I spent some more time on them last night smoothing them up and beveling the edges. They look even better now and I know they will outlast those flimsy gaskets that come with the tower and have already been changed out once. It's a pretty easy and cheap fix.

nickespi
05-10-2012, 02:44 AM
My tower has started digging into the hull and I need to fix this with a quickness.

M-Funf
05-18-2012, 11:10 AM
Guys,
Bad news. My molds have now deteriorated to the point that I can no longer mold an acceptable set of pads. I have been molding all week, and they are just not up to the task.
To make new molds is very expensive, and I don't have the orders to cover the cost of the molds and materials, so for the moment I'm out of the tower pad business.
That said, I hope to change that in the near future, and may be in a position to order molds again. When I get there, I'll reach out again to gauge interest. If there's enough interest to cover the cost of the molds, I can take the risk and order a set to continue.

I didn't start making these to make money. I started this to help out a buddy who had crappy tower pads. It was a fun project, and from the start I said as long as I don't lose money (just my own time), I'd continue to make them. It's just not the best time right now.

Jeff.

Hogwild
06-21-2012, 03:03 PM
With M-fun's molding process being put on hiatus, I too went to a shoe repair shop and got some rubber that I could use for pads. Just in case anyone else wants to give it a shot, you should ask for the soles that they put on orthopedic shoes. I cut the pieces out and sanded them by hand pretty easily. The rubber compresses really well once the bolts are tightened and look like they will hold up nicely. They may not be as pretty as M-fun's, but they are a heck of a lot better than those from the factory or ND.

Hogwild
06-23-2012, 10:34 AM
I took some pictures of mine for those interested. I didn't exactly do a Martha Stewart job of trimming them up because I was in a hurry to get out on the water, but I'm sure I'll clean them up some this fall.

http://i1191.photobucket.com/albums/z480/Kwilson007/001-2.jpg

http://i1191.photobucket.com/albums/z480/Kwilson007/002-2.jpg

jrg81
07-26-2012, 08:34 AM
M-Funf has made some replacements out of a durable material and Sodar has a set on his boat.

PM one or both of them.

What is this durable material? abs plastic?

BarefootWisco
07-26-2012, 08:41 PM
I have a 2006 197 mini tower and wonder how much for a set of four pads??
I need to replacement them and they look great!!

Thanks
Rob