types of lifts

[michaelrph]

I just bought my first Mastercraft (my dream boat) 1994 Red Prostar 190, it runs like a top. Now I need to find a hoist. Any opinions on cantilever vs vertical, and any brands that are favorites.

thanks for a great board!!!!

michael

[Leroy]

Congrats on the new boat, that is a great model and year! There is a thread for new boat pixs!


The hydrohoists work well around here with deeper water at the dock. It's my choice.
http://www.boatlift.com/

[Ben]

I have an old shoremaster cantilever, and works ok. I'm new to lake living, so don't have a lot of feedback yet...

One point to the cantilever is that there are fewer pulleys, and the cable can come completely out of the water. The verticals have a portion in the water at all times. Other than that, I haven't heard much good / bad between the two.

Definitely look for used, they seems to be obtainable for a good deal. I may let that drive my decision more than anything if I was you. If you are looking new, there is a guy on our lake who sells hoists and may give you a good deal, especially since you have the same hull as him. Greg @ www.lakesidelift.com

[gene dobies]

Shoremaster or Shorestation. Shorestation is right next door to MasterCraft in Vonore, TN. I have a shoremaster vertical lift and it works great

[Cary K.]

I'll throw in a plug for Doozie Boat Lifts, based in NC. Owned by a skier and MC owner.

[Rockman]

We have an R&G vertical lift and have been very happy with it. This is our second one. Just couldn't get enough.

Check Wyland's Marine in Indiana on the Web and they can help you out. Harold is a great guy and can ship to you in Michigan...probably drive it up there personally. :D

[bigmac]

I just bought my first Mastercraft (my dream boat) 1994 Red Prostar 190, it runs like a top. Now I need to find a hoist. Any opinions on cantilever vs vertical, and any brands that are favorites.

thanks for a great board!!!!

michael

On boats that approach 4000 lbs with fuel/gear, cantilever lifts lose a lot of their advantage. On the positive side, they tend to be cheaper. After many years of cantilevers, I find I definitely prefer verticals.

I had always had Shore Station lifts, and they are excellent, but when I went to a vertical, I found the cross member of the Shore Station lift to be annoying for getting in and out of the boat. I went with a Pier Pleasure (http://www.pierpleasure.com/) a few years ago and it's been excellent.

http://www.pierpleasure.com/images/WEB/AL40108V.jpg

[parks_jr_55]

We have a shorestation and like mentioned, it is kind of annoying to get out if it is raised and you are on the boat. There is a cross bar that is right in the way.

Ours has a canopy and we leave it cranked up and under the canopy for a week or two at at time. If we are going to be not getting up to the cabin for 3-4 weeks we normally put the cover on just in case there is a storm or something.

2 is the bar that gets annoying by the way.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/vw_wr/ss.jpg

[Rockman]

[QUOTE=bigmac] I had always had Shore Station lifts, and they are excellent, but when I went to a vertical, I found the cross member of the Shore Station lift to be annoying for getting in and out of the boat.


BigMac,

That's exactly why we didn't buy a shorestation. The dealer we got our R&G from USED to carry shorestation but switched due to this reason and various others...

Glad I'm not the only one who noticed that or thought it was importatnt.

[Evan Jones]

First season with a 4200 lb cantilever lift. No canopy yet, just a waterline cover. Works like a charm.

[Evan Jones]

Sorry, it's a Hewitt lift. about $3200.00 last year.

[jamisonsbrodie]

I had Shoremaster cantilevers for years, but switched to Shorestation vertical and I am very happy. I have a 190 also, and went with a 4000 lb cap. to get gear reduction winch(3000 lb didn't have it) I can crank it all the way up with one hand. The bar is kind of a pain, but you can adjust it if you want. The vertical has much more of a solid feel to it, especially when you are cranking it up. My friend has a pier pleasure cantilever that seems really well built, but hard to crank, and it creeks and pops as you raise it up(inherant with cantilevers)

[scottman02]

We have a Hewitt lift that works great the top is about three inches higher than the windshield so the boat is tucked up under it tight. My buddy purchased a Shore Station last year with the power lift that has a key fab remote. This thing is sweet! While he is walking down to the pier he will be lowering the boat so that it is all ready to go. The lift has a light under the canopy for loading after a late ski. I would highly recommend those options and a canopy is a must.

[bigmac]

What do ya'll use for lift motors? I've had a 12 volt LiftMate (http://www.dhdocks.com/shop.cfm?groupid=Boat%20Lift%20Accessories&catid=Boat%20Lift%20Motors) for several years that turns the wheel. It runs off the boat battery and has worked very well. It's a little slow, and seems slower as I'm raising the boat at dusk while the mosquitos are out. I've always lusted after the hydraulic lift device (http://dhdocks.com//products/752%2Ejpg) but they're pretty spendy (~$4000) and when contemplating that expenditure, that extra time for the LiftMate doesn't seem so bad, even with the mosquitos biting.

[sten76]

I have a ShoreStation and it works great. I would recommend getting an electric motor to turn the wheel to life the boat. Great workout, but a pain in the ***.

[Evan Jones]

I use a 110 volt electric motor that turns the wheel. 100' extension cord from the camp now, but I have plans to bury a cable and hard-wire an outlet closer to the dock/lift.

[Datdude]

We sell both Shorestation and Floe and the Floe lift is a much better product in our opinion. Shorestation is a decent lift, but the lift bar gets in the way(like others mentioned), the lifting beams are still galvanized steel, the hardware rusts easily, the bunks are wood, the canopy frame depth is too shallow and may require a cover on the boat. The Floe products are ALL aluminum, "V" braces to make access easier, screw-jack leveling legs make leveling as easy as possible with cordless drill, plastic wheel kits available for easy install and removal, aluminum bucks with rubber on top, super deep canopy frame, DC winch upgrade is only $175.00, non-vinyl canopy fabric available, etc. The Floe costs a little bit more, but is totally worth it. So far this year we have sold 45 Floe lifts and 3 Shorestation lifts. Check out www.floeintl.com and take a look for yourself. They have a dealer locator to help you find a dealer near you. If you have any questions PM me.

[parks_jr_55]

We sell both Shorestation and Floe and the Floe lift is a much better product in our opinion. Shorestation is a decent lift, but the lift bar gets in the way(like others mentioned), the lifting beams are still galvanized steel, the hardware rusts easily, the bunks are wood, the canopy frame depth is too shallow and may require a cover on the boat. The Floe products are ALL aluminum, "V" braces to make access easier, screw-jack leveling legs make leveling as easy as possible with cordless drill, plastic wheel kits available for easy install and removal, aluminum bucks with rubber on top, super deep canopy frame, DC winch upgrade is only $175.00, non-vinyl canopy fabric available, etc. The Floe costs a little bit more, but is totally worth it. So far this year we have sold 45 Floe lifts and 3 Shorestation lifts. Check out www.floeintl.com and take a look for yourself. They have a dealer locator to help you find a dealer near you. If you have any questions PM me.


Do you work for Lakeside Dock?

[Datdude]

yes I do work at Lakeside Dock and Lift Sales

[parks_jr_55]

I've been in there a few times before.

Seems like a nice new store.

[Workin' 4 Toys]

What are the options available for a wakeboard boat? Is there anything available anywhere so you do NOT have to fold down the tower and still get a canopy? Any suggestions?

[Maristar210]

What are the options available for a wakeboard boat? Is there anything available anywhere so you do NOT have to fold down the tower and still get a canopy? Any suggestions?


W4T

If you figure that out please let me know. I have been looking for a solution myself.

Steve

[Workin' 4 Toys]

W4T

If you figure that out please let me know. I have been looking for a solution myself.

Steve
I am working on it, more than you could imagine. I will have a solution, but when I don't know. I can only imagine with the popularity of wakebaord boats going through the roof, there will have to be an option.

[Maristar210]

I am working on it, more than you could imagine. I will have a solution, but when I don't know. I can only imagine with the popularity of wakebaord boats going through the roof, there will have to be an option.


Precisely. I am keeping my eyes open.

Steve

[erkoehler]

Well, if you come up with something creative, you may have the opportunity to make alot of $$$$

[bigmac]

What are the options available for a wakeboard boat? Is there anything available anywhere so you do NOT have to fold down the tower and still get a canopy? Any suggestions?

My buddy's X-10 in there. The canopy and lift are conventional Pier Pleasure 4000 lb but with 26 foot canopy - raised up far enough to clear the tower and still keep the hull and running gear out of the water. The side curtains are really cool - have stood up to some impressive storms. Electric lift with remote control. The rear curtain rolls up like a set of window blinds on a clever pulley system. Getting the boat into the lift when the tower is festooned with skis and boards is a little challenging, but once in it's very secure. I see that Mastercraft's racks now swivel inward to get the boards inside the boat - that would help him out a lot.

http://mccollister.info/bh/bh4.jpg

[Workin' 4 Toys]

My buddy's X-10 in there. Hull and running gear out of the water...the canopy and lift are conventional Pier Pleasure 4000lb but with 26 for canopy. The side curtains are really cool - have stood up to some impressive storms. Electric lift with remote control. Getting the boat into the lift when the tower is festooned with skis and boards is a little challenging, but once it it's very secure.

http://mccollister.info/bh/bh4.jpg
Got any pictures of the inside of your "BOAT TENT"? That is looking promising.
Pier Pleasure is the Brand?
What is "26 for canopy"???

[JDK]

What are the options available for a wakeboard boat? Is there anything available anywhere so you do NOT have to fold down the tower and still get a canopy? Any suggestions?

I have a dolly on tracks.
It's just like loading your boat on a trailer, except it has guide posts on the front and rear of the dolly and the dolly moves on tracks. You just float your boat up to the front posts, and winch everything towards shore. The advantages over a lift are that there's nothing above the boat so it is easy to put the tarp on etc. and it doesn't matter if you have a tower etc..You can pull the boat up over dry ground so loading / unloading gear is easy, cleaning the hull is a piece of cake, you can change the oil easily.
I have 60 ft. of track, and I need about 30" of water to get the boat on the dolly. Winching is a little more work than on a lift, but this system is far better than any lift imho (and many lifts have been replaced with these systems on my lake).

...btw, you never have to tie up at the dock with this system either....just idle into the dolly cart, and move it towards shore about 3 ft. and your parked (no dock rash, no fenders etc 8p )

[Workin' 4 Toys]

Well, if you come up with something creative, you may have the opportunity to make alot of $$$$
I have local access to a metal supplier, and have access to welders and all the equipment to build one myself if I don't find exactly what I want. But that is the very last option in my mind. Even below waiting for someone to come up with the perfect option. Like a TILT Canopy. Yes, I said a TILT canopy for all you lift manufacturers out there reading. And no I haven't patented the idea yet, so hurry and build me one, I will be your test guinea pig!!!!

[bigmac]

Got any pictures of the inside of your "BOAT TENT"? That is looking promising.
Pier Pleasure is the Brand?
What is "26 for canopy"???

The canopy is 26 feet long, so that it clears the boat and platform. Probably a little overkill - a 24 foot canopy would be all he really needs, just enough to get the whole boat and platform inside.

I'll take some other pictures from the inside and post 'em when I get a chance.

[oxmach]

This is my choice, we have one on our lake, just saving up for one now.

http://www.vikingboatlift.com/photos.html

[erkoehler]

That is neat! How much do they run? Not sure how you would put a canopy on it, but oh well!

[JDK]

Not bad, but how do you ever get that thing out of the lake if you have to remove it for the winter? Any ideas about the price for a ski boat?
..... and that red box that stays centered on the pictures page is the dumbest thing I've ever seen on a website trying to advertise a product.

[erkoehler]

Not bad, but how do you ever get that thing out of the lake if you have to remove it for the winter? Any ideas about the price for a ski boat?
..... and that red box that stays centered on the pictures page is the dumbest thing I've ever seen on a website trying to advertise a product.


I think it is okay to leave them in for the winter :D

[bigmac]

I think it is okay to leave them in for the winter :D

I doubt it. That would violate everything that us Minnesotans have been taught since we were little shavers. The ice gets to be about 2-3 feet thick hereabouts. I don't see this unit, and certainly not the dock, standing up to those kinds of pressures. Last spring I had a 4-foot high compression ridge on my shoreline that I had to cut down. Had there been any permanent structure in the water, it would be just so many toothpicks and crumpled metal by the time the ice went off.

[JDK]

On many public lakes (which is most of them), its a requirement to remove your docks in the fall around here.
The liability issues alone on lakes that freeze over, are reason enough for me to make sure the shoreline is clear......... snowmobilers don't like hitting stuff burried under the snow on public property.

.... and BigMac is right, I've seen spring ice move rocks that are as big as a compact car.

[oxmach]

I have not tried it, but our lake gets upwards of 3 feet of ice, our crib dock has remained in place for 20+ years. It really depends on wind conditions and body of water. The guys at Viking say you can leave it in as there is very little for the ice to gain puchase on, just that single column. That's one of the features I like.

I've not seen a canopy on one. The guy on my lake has small (21 - 24foot? Scarrab) on his and it looks great with only the single column beside the dock.

The price I got from them is about $ 5,500cdn delivered and installed in Canada. If I recall it was an 8' lift for 4000lbs.

[oxmach]

Not bad, but how do you ever get that thing out of the lake if you have to remove it for the winter? Any ideas about the price for a ski boat?
..... and that red box that stays centered on the pictures page is the dumbest thing I've ever seen on a website trying to advertise a product.

I must have missed something, I don't see a red box? Must be being blocked by my system.

[erkoehler]

that photo was take with 24+ inches of ice, or so says the web site!

[Workin' 4 Toys]

viking contraption: Not what I had in mind. And I wouldn't think of leaving it in the water anyway. No good way of putting a canopy on in either. So, not an option for me.
And for those that have PM'd me, Northwest Indiana is where the lift I want will be set at. If you would like to come up with and idea and a price, feel free to post some pictures of what you have and show me the inside with the tower up. Same goes for anyone that has such a device.
I need to be able to load the boat in between 2 and 4 feet and lift to 4 to 5 feet.

[Andyg]

Here is something I found on a rail system.

Rail System (http://www.swallie.com/Building%20a%20Marine%20Rail%20System.htm)

[Workin' 4 Toys]

Here is something I found on a rail system.

Rail System (http://www.swallie.com/Building%20a%20Marine%20Rail%20System.htm)
Interesting, but I would use that for a waverunner/jetski, not a boat. If I were to go through that, I'd build myself a 40' X 60' Garage overhanging the lake 20' and put a lift system in it with a forklift, heat and air-conditioning and call it done forever. HMMM..... now that I can picture!!

[Datdude]

Those Viking lifts are interesting. We also sell Sunstream lifts which are nice when there is no canopy because all you see when the boat is raised is the bunk system. Canopies are also available for these lifts.

[bigmac]

Interesting, but I would use that for a waverunner/jetski, not a boat. If I were to go through that, I'd build myself a 40' X 60' Garage overhanging the lake 20' and put a lift system in it with a forklift, heat and air-conditioning and call it done forever. HMMM..... now that I can picture!!

DH Docks & Tracks is about 10 miles from me and is where I bought my Pier Pleasure lifts and accessories as well as my dock, which they manufacture on site in Nisswa.

http://mccollister.info/storm.jpg

They are a great company and very customer oriented. First class all the way. They sold the skirting for the boat lift to my friend shown in the orignall picture I posted in this thread.

The company that makes the skirt is called Canopy Skirts (http://www.canopyskirts.com/main/Default.asp) and is located in Clive, Iowa. Cost is somewhere between $1000 - $1500 depending on size and accessories.

The company demo pictures at the top of their picture gallery website labeled Serpent Lake here (http://www.canopyskirts.com/gallery/Gallery.asp) were actually taken of my friends lift before and after installation. That's his X-10 in the lift.

[AirJunky]

Here is something I found on a rail system.

Rail System (http://www.swallie.com/Building%20a%20Marine%20Rail%20System.htm)
Funny... he doesn't bother to say that rail systems are not legal in WA any more. Haven't been anytime I know of. All the old ones are grandfathered in as long as their being used. I know of a couple people who have been told to either use it or lose it.

[JDK]

A.J. - how come they're illegal? (dangerous, too much space on public property???).

BTW. there is no way in hell that any dd or vd could be put on that guys system. The weight of a ski boat on the dolly would crush his supports. The rails pretty much have to lay flat on the ground. Mine are supported by full width p.t. 2X6's layed flat (kind of like railroad ties).

[Workin' 4 Toys]

DH Docks & Tracks is about 10 miles from me and is where I bought my Pier Pleasure lifts and accessories as well as my dock, which they manufacture on site in Nisswa.

http://mccollister.info/storm.jpg

They are a great company and very customer oriented. First class all the way. They sold the skirting for the boat lift to my friend shown in the orignall picture I posted in this thread.

The company that makes the skirt is called Canopy Skirts (http://www.canopyskirts.com/main/Default.asp) and is located in Clive, Iowa. Cost is somewhere between $1000 - $1500 depending on size and accessories.

The company demo pictures at the top of their picture gallery website labeled Serpent Lake were actually taken of my friends lift before and after installation. That's his X-10 in the lift.

But can they build something to fit it with the tower up?

[bigmac]

But can they build something to fit it with the tower up?

Sure. That's the whole point. Leo never takes his tower down. The boat fits inside with tower up.

The skirts come in different heights. IIRC, Leo's skirt is the 68 inch, so with the tower up, his boat fits into the lift easily and he can crank the bunks up so that the bottom of his rudder is about 2 feet out of the water.

http://www.canopyskirts.com/images/gallery/gallery_pierpleasureC5_full.jpg

Canopy height adjusted before putting the skirt on
http://www.canopyskirts.com/images/gallery/gallery_pierpleasureC1_full.jpg

Boat inside with tower up
http://www.canopyskirts.com/images/gallery/gallery_pierpleasureC2_full.jpg

[Granite_33]

But can they build something to fit it with the tower up?

I have the same problem and am looking for options.

As it is today, my canopy covers about 95% of the interior from the sun. The left side from gunnels down, however, get full exposure.....and I know its only a matter of time before the sun takes its toll if I don't do anything.

The lift is a Hewitt Cantilever, with a 110V electric hoist. 3600 lb rated. All aluminum, and the maintenance on it consists of changing out the bushings every few years. It has been a very good lift. Very reliable.
The benefit of the cantilever is that the cable only attaches to the front of the lift. The cable is shorter, easily changed out, and the pulleys and bushings are easily accessible. Moreover, the fact that it is cantilevered puts the stress of holding the boat on the lift itself. The vertical lifts rely on the cable to hold them up. With the cantilever, the cable and pulleys are stressed only while lifting the boat and dropping the boat. Overall, fewer moving points to wear out with a cantilever IMO.

I did have to make modifications to the lift to accomodate the tower. I added about 50" of 2" galvanized to each corner to lift the canopy high enough. I'm not sure you will find anyone making boat lifts that have a canopy made to accomodate a tower right now.

The canopy skirts look interesting.....but at $1000 - $1500. I will look at other options first, like using carport sidewalls. Overtons had them for about $150......but I have not gotten serious enough to really dig into it yet, so I don't know if they will even work.

[bigmac]

I have the same problem and am looking for options.

The canopy skirts look interesting.....but at $1000 - $1500. I will look at other options first, like using carport sidewalls. Overtons had them for about $150......but I have not gotten serious enough to really dig into it yet, so I don't know if they will even work.


Yeh, those upper level lifts like the big Pier Pleasures and Shore Stations are spendy at $4000-$5000 each, and the stupid accessories are equally expensive. I just paid $450 for an aluminum bow stop. So, given the sophistication of the Canopy Skirt, and relative to the cost of the lift and its accessories (not to mention the boat), $1500 doesn't seem so much to me, in a relative sense. I can certainly agree that it would be nice to find an alternative to spending that money, but I recall (and my wife reminds me) of the time I was outraged at the cost of a lift for our 14' Whaler. Instead of paying that money, I made a cantilever lift out of galvanized pipe. It cost about $300 in parts, and worked fine for about a month. Then I had to buy the $500 aluminum one I had complained about. When I mentioned making some kind of canopy skirt, my wife razzed me mercilessly.

I don't have a tower on my 230VRS, so it doesn't matter to me - my boat tucks up nicely under my canopy. But I really do admire the design, durability, and convenience of the Canopy Skirt on my buddy's lift, and that's the way I'd go if I had a tower.

[Granite_33]

Yeh, those upper level lifts like the big Pier Pleasures and Shore Stations are spendy at $4000-$5000 each, and the stupid accessories are equally expensive. I just paid $450 for an aluminum bow stop. So, given the sophistication of the Canopy Skirt, and relative to the cost of the lift and its accessories (not to mention the boat), $1500 doesn't seem so much to me, in a relative sense. I can certainly agree that it would be nice to find an alternative to spending that money, but I recall (and my wife reminds me) of the time I was outraged at the cost of a lift for our 14' Whaler. Instead of paying that money, I made a cantilever lift out of galvanized pipe. It cost about $300 in parts, and worked fine for about a month. Then I had to buy the $500 aluminum one I had complained about. When I mentioned making some kind of canopy skirt, my wife razzed me mercilessly.

I don't have a tower on my 230VRS, so it doesn't matter to me - my boat tucks up nicely under my canopy. But I really do admire the design, durability, and convenience of the Canopy Skirt on my buddy's lift, and that's the way I'd go if I had a tower.

There is some little person in the back of my mind telling me..........oh yeah......you'll buy the Canopy Skirt. :D

It will probably be sometime this fall when my good intentions have run out and have resulted in nothing to show for it. :)

PS, You gotta love those Whalers. I like the Montauks......maybe someday soon..........

[Workin' 4 Toys]

bigmac, Where do I find details online about the lift you show in the photos. The post I had about the tower being up was directed at the orange boat, it didn't look like the tower was up on that one.
And how much water do you think Leo's boat lift is sitting in? I will say I am impressed with that setup. Very nicely done.

[bigmac]

bigmac, Where do I find details online about the lift you show in the photos. The post I had about the tower being up was directed at the orange boat, it didn't look like the tower was up on that one.
And how much water do you think Leo's boat lift is sitting in? I will say I am impressed with that setup. Very nicely done.

The company that makes the skirt is called Canopy Skirts and is located in Clive, Iowa. Cost is somewhere between $1000 - $1500 depending on size and accessories.

URL is http://canopyskirts.com

The boat lift is made by Pier Pleasure. (http://www.pierpleasure.com/index2.html) I've had mine for 4 years, it's been a fantastic lift. I looked at Shore Station but didn't like the cross beam that blocked easy access to getting in the boat. I bought it from DH Docks (http://dhdocks.com/shop.cfm) and they've been excellent.

Leo's boat lift sits in about 4 1/2 feet of water at the back legs.

[juju151]

We also sell Sunstream lifts which are nice when there is no canopy because all you see when the boat is raised is the bunk system.

Datdude,

How much are these Sunstream lifts? This is what I'm looking for because the boathouse slip is only 95" wide, which is too narrow for a cantilever or vertical lift. The legs of this Sunstream would go under the boathouse slip, but the part that comes up to lift the boat needs to be 95" wide or less. Do you know how much a 4000# Sunstream lift would be? Thanks...

Juju

[Jorski]

**Do you know how much a 4000# Sunstream lift would be? Thanks...**

The better part of $6,000 USD

[juju151]

The better part of $6,000 USD

What??? :eek: You've got to be kidding!

Wow, they are proud of those lifts, aren't they...

I guess I'll go with a Floe lift with a canopy instead.

Thanks...

[Datdude]

The Sunstream lifts are not cheap at $6-7,000 but the crossbars that the feet are attached to can be cut to fit any width you need. We cut one down to 93" and it works awesome. We picked up the Sunstream line for that ability. The customers that have wet boathouses will do anything to preserve them. Our first Sunstream customer had an overhead sling system in his boathouse(one of the coolest I have seen) and the weight of the boat was starting to take its toll on the structure of the building so he did not seem to care that it was $7000 to lift his boat. They are a special needs product and not for everyone. Our last install was next to a portable dock, but the customer had a sea plane and could not have the traditional lift frame sticking up because his wing would hit it. Hey juju you can't go wrong with a Floe lift at all. The leveling system and canopy frame depth are the best on the market(along with a bunch of other features).

[juju151]

Hey juju you can't go wrong with a Floe lift at all.

Well, the boathouse belongs to my next door neighbor. He is never there and since I mow the grass for him, he lets me use his boat house, car port, etc...which is pretty cool. So I wanted to get a lift like that, so I could just sit it on the lake bottom and not have to alter his boathouse. But if I'm going to pay that kind of money I might as well get one put behind my house, ya know? Thanks for the info...I'm still trying to decide on which one to get. I figure it's going to be 5 grand no matter what I choose.

Thanks again...

[VTJC]

Does anybody know how the Viking lift raises? I don’t see a wheel to crank or power, could it be hand pump hydraulic?

I love my canopied RGC lift. Jamie

[Workin' 4 Toys]

Shorestation is looking at a solution to my wants and needs, but they have nothing in the works yet. Same goes for Floe.
Hmmmm... not as many solutions as I had hoped.