my TT problem child

[rodltg2]

got my verdict today, fuel pump failed. i never ran the boat dry so i dont know how this could have happened at 70 hours.i guess this isnt just a lq9 problem since they probably use the same fuel pump in all their boats. anyone else's go out? better be a warranty issue.

[Andyg]

What year is your boat Rod? I beleive there was a service bulletin for all 2003 197s for having something wrong with the fuel pumps. My fuel pump went out on my maiden voyage. I believe it had something to do with Stabil causing a problem and gumming up the fuel pumps.

[rodltg2]

its an 04 but may have been built with the 03's since it's a promo boat.

[peason]

I had mine go out with in the first 100 hours - it was warranted! MC explained it had something to do with the stabilizer they used coming out of the factory. My boat sat around for at least 6 months to a year before we bought it. It was a 2002, 209 that we bought summer of 2003.

Had a MC dealer change out in a couple of hours, since it happened while we were on vacation.

[rodltg2]

broke down again. time #5. this time i am really done with it. cant handle the anxiety of always worrying that it going to break down. we'll see if mc or the dealer steps up and replaces the boat. otherwise after its fixed i am selling and buying another brand. it seems like the newer mc's are not reliable. why do the fuel pumps always fail?
lanyard always fail? too many gizmos in the boat. i would rather have and old boat that i can at least fix.

[Maristar210]

broke down again. time #5. this time i am really done with it. cant handle the anxiety of always worrying that it going to break down. we'll see if mc or the dealer steps up and replaces the boat. otherwise after its fixed i am selling and buying another brand. it seems like the newer mc's are not reliable. why do the fuel pumps always fail?
lanyard always fail? too many gizmos in the boat. i would rather have and old boat that i can at least fix.

Man am I sorry to hear about your continous issues with the boat. I would think your dealer should be stepping up to the plate and offer you a solution that matches MC reputation. Keep us updated with your situation.

Best of luck - Steve

[JimN]

MC doesn't make all of the parts that are failing, so I would hold off on placing all of the blame on the company. All new boats are required to have a safety switch and lanyard, the ones they chose happened to have a problem that wasn't expected. Re: the fuel pump failures- maybe MC will change the spec on the filter for particle size and let it pass larger stuff.

I would be PO'd too, if I had all of these issues, but I would be asking the dealer more questions that make them squirm. Ask to see their documentation for all of the testing and subsequent repairs. If they don't show anything for the diagnostic stage, it would sound like they used the shotgun method to try to fix this boat.

Also, since most boat manufacturers use the same gauges and a lot of other parts now, it's going to be hard to find another boat that's inherently more reliable. Look at the Malibu forums- they have most of the same complaints plus others that don't happen with MC boats. The Supra/Moomba forum had almost no activity at all when I looked the last time. A lot of the "gizmos" are mandated by the Coast Guard and if they aren't on the boat, it won't pass inspection.

I would call MC and talk to their warranty department about this since it was a promo boat.

[X2M]

Rod - That really sucks. I wish you the best of luck with this boat. Since they gave you a loner while your was in the shop. (Which suprised the heck out of me since I have never heard of them doing that for anyone). Maybe they will work with you even more. GOOD LUCK!!

[rodltg2]

i dont care about the warranty, the warranty isnt keeping me on the water. i am done with this boat regardless. if they dont give me another one i will just sell it and buy another one. i'm sick and tired of worrying that im going to break down. just looking at the boat pisses me off . this was my week off too, came home due to no boat. i dont want to see it ever again. it has ruined my summer so far. i dont want another loaner boat, especially since they do not come with perfect pass, a feature that i unfornutaley need because no one knows how to hand drive the course anymore.anyway they offered an x-30 this time which is worthless for me. i am not considering malibu at this point but who knows. i'm leaning towards an older boat. i will be buying one tommorow so i can get back to my houseboat trip.

[bigmac]

got my verdict today, fuel pump failed. i never ran the boat dry so i dont know how this could have happened at 70 hours.i guess this isnt just a lq9 problem since they probably use the same fuel pump in all their boats. anyone else's go out? better be a warranty issue.I just bought a holdover 2004 Maristar 230. It had been sitting since it was delivered to the dealer last year. My fuel pump failed in the first 8 hours (two days ago).

[bigmac]

i dont care about the warranty, the warranty isnt keeping me on the water. i am done with this boat regardless. if they dont give me another one i will just sell it and buy another one. i'm sick and tired of worrying that im going to break down. just looking at the boat pisses me off . this was my week off too, came home due to no boat. i dont want to see it ever again. it has ruined my summer so far. i dont want another loaner boat, especially since they do not come with perfect pass, a feature that i unfornutaley need because no one knows how to hand drive the course anymore.anyway they offered an x-30 this time which is worthless for me. i am not considering malibu at this point but who knows. i'm leaning towards an older boat. i will be buying one tommorow so i can get back to my houseboat trip.The fuel pump isn't made by Mastercraft. A Maibue, Supra, etc may very well use the same fuel pump.

[JimN]

Rod- you might want to contact MC and see if they'll do a buy-back.

[Mosaic13]

I'm feeling lucky. Bought a holdover '04 210 and have put 50 hours on it in the last three months. A few quirky things but mechanically it's been fine. You're making me nervous about the fuel pump. Already had the 50 hour done. Are they supposed to replace the fuel filter with that service?

[Leroy]

Too bad to hear Rod, but it seems like your dealer has stepped up in the past. Strange that you never ran out of gas but the fuel pump dies.


I would try to get the dealer to do a swap, but you may need to get corp involved to get the best deal.

[H2OGirl]

I would agree if you haven't done so already give the Factory a call. They are good to work with, I know. They do stand behind their product. It sounds like at this point you should give them a call if for no other reason than to let them know how upset you are. One piece of advice if you do call, stay calm and be nice, it gets you a lot farther. It's okay to be upset, but don't go off the wall and start talking trash and swearing.

[Cloaked]

i dont care about the warranty, the warranty isnt keeping me on the water. i am done with this boat regardless. if they dont give me another one i will just sell it and buy another one. i'm sick and tired of worrying that im going to break down. just looking at the boat pisses me off . this was my week off too, came home due to no boat. i dont want to see it ever again. it has ruined my summer so far. i dont want another loaner boat, especially since they do not come with perfect pass, a feature that i unfornutaley need because no one knows how to hand drive the course anymore.anyway they offered an x-30 this time which is worthless for me. i am not considering malibu at this point but who knows. i'm leaning towards an older boat. i will be buying one tommorow so i can get back to my houseboat trip.Word.


I like this guy ^ ^ ^

[rodltg2]

anyone know the number for the factory? if they dont replace the boat like i hope, i think i may buy a 1991-1993 190. any thoughts on this boat?

[ski_king]

91-93 are great boats.
There is a 93 S&S on ebay right now that is in CA.

[Ric]

anyone know the number for the factory? if they dont replace the boat like i hope, i think i may buy a 1991-1993 190. any thoughts on this boat?
I don't know if it'll hold all of your stereo components

[Leroy]

Rod; Sent PM.



anyone know the number for the factory? if they dont replace the boat like i hope, i think i may buy a 1991-1993 190. any thoughts on this boat?

[rodltg2]

thanks for the info. i called the guy on the one on ebay, he wants 11k for it which seems ok. i will check it out . of course mc is closed for inventory today.

[Ric]

thanks for the info. i called the guy on the one on ebay, he wants 11k for it which seems ok. i will check it out . of course mc is closed for inventory today.
Sounds like a TN state holiday

[Diesel]

Good luck Rod...............

Your posts were one of the reasons I stuck with the MCX................. combined with the extra $8k I would have had to fork out :eek:

I hope they can get it worked out to your satisfaction ;)

[rodltg2]

my boat is in the shop as well as on ebay. i'm buyng the 93 stars and stripes to get through the summer. then maybe next year opt for a new boat again.

[Ric]

my boat is in the shop as well as on ebay. i'm buyng the 93 stars and stripes to get through the summer. then maybe next year opt for a new boat again.
post up a link
how much?
leaving all the sound system?

[rodltg2]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4560440133

[Leroy]

Looks very nice, but it does have the lq9 engine :eek:

[ski_king]

The 93 S&S looks like a good deal.
Good luck in selling your 197, it is a sweet looking boat.

[bcampbe7]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4560440133


Sweet looking boat Rod. Hate to see you sell it, but understand your frustration.

[stevo137]

anyone know the number for the factory? if they dont replace the boat like i hope, i think i may buy a 1991-1993 190. any thoughts on this boat?
Rod, our 93 runs great and performs great.
I rarely get in a course these days but free ski 28-32 off at 32-34mph and it's butter up there. There is some spray up there but doesn't bother me.
No need to even think about a newer model for us considering the fact that we only have about four months out of the year to enjoy it.
Ski behind the one you are interested in and see what you think.
Here are a few wake pics. The first one is 32mph, the second is 34.
It really seems to smooth out @34. This boat was designed for one thing. Comp slalom.

[stevo137]

Appr. 34mph. At 28 off, you will be just in front of "the bump".
32 off, at this point does it really matter?
You can stay on hard edge all the way through the wake and the tracking is like it's on a rail.

[LakePirate]

Rod - Man I am going to tell you I caught a ride behind a 197 this weekend and it was sweet. Almost don't want to ski behind the Tristar anymore.

[lakes Rick]

Rod - Man I am going to tell you I caught a ride behind a 197 this weekend and it was sweet. Almost don't want to ski behind the Tristar anymore.

But the TriStar is such a SMOOOOTH riding boat.......

[LakePirate]

There is nothing like it in the choppy water, an engineering marvel.

[rodltg2]

Thanks for the pics steve. i took the boat out today on his private site. tracks well. unfortunately i didnt have my ski so i ddnt ski it, really know need though. it runs great , starts!. looks good and i can buy it cash. its a little dirty but the interior looks tear free.

[stevo137]

Great! What color is it?
I like the "cash" idea.

[stevo137]

There is nothing like it in the choppy water, an engineering marvel.
LOL guys.
You know, it's not that bad running short line.

[H2OGirl]

Don't know if you have it yet but here is the info for the factory. They are shut down this whole week.

World Headquarters MasterCraft
100 Cherokee Cove Drive
Vonore, TN 37885
Phone 423-884-2221 (you'll get a receptionist)

[caden]

rodltg2
I bought a holdover 2003 P/S 209 w/MCX.
Less than 10 hours total now on boat, and it has broke down twice.
Dealer just put on 2nd fuel pump.
They were suppose to lake test last night.
Don't feel very good about this.

[rodltg2]

ok jsut bought the 93 stars and stripes. its blue. taking it out now hopefully no problems. my 197 on the other hand is still at the shop. i am sure they havent even looked at yet. i dont expect it back for awhile. it might be the fule pump again since it did the same thing. anyway its for sale now, i doubt anyone on here will buy it. :uglyhamme

i bet once its fixed it probably wont break down anymore since im selliing it.

[erkoehler]

How much are you going to ask for the 197? Just out of curiousity....

[ski_king]

Let me know when you are done with the 93, sweet looking boat.

[stevo137]

ok jsut bought the 93 stars and stripes. its blue. taking it out now hopefully no problems. my 197 on the other hand is still at the shop. i am sure they havent even looked at yet. i dont expect it back for awhile. it might be the fule pump again since it did the same thing. anyway its for sale now, i doubt anyone on here will buy it. :uglyhamme

i bet once its fixed it probably wont break down anymore since im selliing it.
Great looking 25th Rod.
Let us know how you like skiing behind it.

[east tx skier]

Rod, I hate that you had so many problems with your TT 197. Does my heart good to see you in a 93! You seem to like the new boats, but I'll tell you, that S&S is a keeper IMO. :)

LT1 or 351 HO? If the latter, watch out for the 4010. ;)

[prostar205]

Rod -

I feel your pain. I have had 2 other MC prior to my current MC X30. I had an '88 PS190 that I put 1,200 hours on and never had any problems. I also had a '95 PS205 that I put 220 hours on with ZERO problems. I now have a '02 X30 (with the L18, 8.1L) engine and put the first 10 hours on it without any problems. However, the last 5 hours have been an absolute nightmare. I'll start with the IAC sensor replaced, then 2 weeks later came the MAP sensor replaced and now my fuel pump left me and my family floating in the lake after running it for 4 hours earlier that day. It was real nice of it to give up at 10:00 pm at night with my 5 year old and 3 year old on board. My local dealer has been top notch in offering service. As someone said in an earlier post, you can not blame the dealer. They are just fixing bad parts. My dealer has been great. Although MasterCraft does not make alot (or any) of the parts that are in their boats (IAC sensor, fuel sending units, MAP sensors, etc....) their name is on the side of the boat. It does not look good for MC to have people see their boats being towed or rowed into shore. Ultimately, MC is responsible for the testing and qualification of vendors. If a vendor's part is not performing, then it is MCs responsibility to replace them with a company's part that will meet their requirements.

My boat will be out of the shop tomorrow just in time for a long 4 day weekend of skiing in Idaho. If this thing leaves us stranded for any reason, other than operator error, she is gone and I too will be searching for my '95 PS205 and try to buy it back.

[rodltg2]

so far my 93 is flawless. skiis great, tracks better than my 197. i think mc quality was superior back then. seats are perfect and just a little cleaning brought the boat back to looking brand new.only draw back is the room factor. i love this boat ! i will be keeping it. good ridence to the 197.

[rodltg2]

i blame all the stupid gizomos they put on boats now days. i have a simple engne now. i have no need for all the sensors and crap. i got my verdict on my 197 and it was some fuel relay deal that wasnt getting power and wasnt sending a signal to the fuel pump. whatever who needs it.

[jimmer2880]

I hate to admit it - but I'm with you. I don't know if I'd take a boat newer than 98 nomatter what brand. It seems to me like before then, the quality was just better.

Of course, that remark may just get me banned from the site.

[rodltg2]

im picking up the 197 in the morning and taking one last set on it in the afternoon before i detail it and get it ready to sell. i hope to get between 38-40.

[PendO]

bump ...........liquidforce987

[rodltg2]

she strikes again. i took my 04 on the houseboat trip for more room . yesterday morning it doesnt want to start. so i say here we go again. about an hour later i decided to disconnect/reconnect the battery . it fired right up . didnt give me problems the rest of the day. dont know if that reset something or a coincidence. now this morning try to start again, no go. tried the battery thing agian. no luck. i have called mc direct now. i cant sell this thing becaase no one will offer enough. told the rep you got two choices 1) buy my boat back and we go our separate ways 2) replace it . it is pitiful that i had to buy a back up boat to keep me skiing.

[TMC]

she strikes again. i took my 04 on the houseboat trip for more room . yesterday morning it doesnt want to start. so i say here we go again. about an hour later i decided to disconnect/reconnect the battery . it fired right up . didnt give me problems the rest of the day. dont know if that reset something or a coincidence. now this morning try to start again, no go. tried the battery thing agian. no luck. i have called mc direct now. i cant sell this thing becaase no one will offer enough. i told the rep you got two choices 1) buy my boat back and we go our separate ways 2) replace it . it is pitiful that i had to buy a back up boat to keep me skiing.

If anyone asks, I edited the post. Please refrain from the colorful commentary; it does no good.

[6ballsisall]

she strikes again. i took my 04 on the houseboat trip for more room . yesterday morning it doesnt want to start. so i say here we go again. about an hour later i decided to disconnect/reconnect the battery . it fired right up . didnt give me problems the rest of the day. dont know if that reset something or a coincidence. now this morning try to start again, no go. tried the battery thing agian. no luck. i have called mc direct now. i cant sell this thing becaase no one will offer enough. told the rep you got two choices 1) buy my boat back and we go our separate ways 2) replace it . it is pitiful that i had to buy a back up boat to keep me skiing.

Sorry to hear of all the troubles Rod, it is a bummer you had to buy an older boat to avoid the less reliable new boat. I talked to a guy tonight who bought a used 04' TT boat out of KC last month with the MCX, it is gorgeous! He said he looked at the same boat up North somewhere that had the LQ9 but he backed out of it. The guy told him he was having a heckuva time selling it because people have either heard of the LQ9 problems or they don't want to pay the money for the premium unleaded with current gas prices

[PendO]

she strikes again. i took my 04 on the houseboat trip for more room . yesterday morning it doesnt want to start. so i say here we go again. about an hour later i decided to disconnect/reconnect the battery . it fired right up . didnt give me problems the rest of the day. dont know if that reset something or a coincidence. now this morning try to start again, no go. tried the battery thing agian. no luck. i have called mc direct now. i cant sell this thing becaase no one will offer enough. told the rep you got two choices 1) buy my boat back and we go our separate ways 2) replace it . it is pitiful that i had to buy a back up boat to keep me skiing.

Man, what a bummer. I'm pumped to get our new 197 in a month, but this makes me cross my fingers. I imagine your dealer is pretty frustrated as well. Were they able to diagnose anything this time? Maybe MC could give you a Promo Boat to use while they go thru yours?

Do you know if the boat was in the shop (before you) for any strange electrical issues?

Also, TMC, what happened to the "Here is What Happened" thread? Did you delete it, or did a different moderator delete it? I enjoyed reading the post from Redline, it was nice to see a dealer post on the site, but then it just went away;?

[milkmania]

I enjoyed reading the post from Redline, it was nice to see a dealer post on the site, but then it just went away;?

Agreed






The message you have entered is too short. :rant:

[Leroy]

Rod; I'm beginning to wonder if you have a bad MCM or connector problem in the harness. Still feels like you are one repair from a stable, reliable great 197!

[parks_jr_55]

Man, what a bummer. I'm pumped to get our new 197 in a month, but this makes me cross my fingers. I imagine your dealer is pretty frustrated as well. Were they able to diagnose anything this time? Maybe MC could give you a Promo Boat to use while they go thru yours?

Do you know if the boat was in the shop (before you) for any strange electrical issues?

Also, TMC, what happened to the "Here is What Happened" thread? Did you delete it, or did a different moderator delete it? I enjoyed reading the post from Redline, it was nice to see a dealer post on the site, but then it just went away;?

Are you keeping your X-Star too?
That would be the ultimate boat collection. X-Star wake for wakeboarding and 197 for skiing. You are blessed.

I thought that the post by Redline was one of the best posts I have seen on this site. Very well written.

[PendO]

Parks, yup keeping the Xstar ... but I would feel better if Rod's 197 worked before we get ours ... he seems to have been very patient.

[parks_jr_55]

I would love to ride behind that X-Star.

Are you on a lake?

How close are you to Anacortes?

[Ric]

Pendo, tell us more
What color scheme did you order
mcx? powerslot? tower? perfect pass?

I too sweated every post rodl made as he swore off the 04 and then kept it then cursed it etc but I bought one anyway. He's been thru hell with it but I think it's a ghost in the machine from all I've read about it.

What a great ski boat!
Not near the room you're used to but a great towmachine and quite sexy on and off the water!

Mechanically, mine has been hassle free.

Man, what a bummer. I'm pumped to get our new 197 in a month, but this makes me cross my fingers. I imagine your dealer is pretty frustrated as well. Were they able to diagnose anything this time? Maybe MC could give you a Promo Boat to use while they go thru yours?

Do you know if the boat was in the shop (before you) for any strange electrical issues?

Also, TMC, what happened to the "Here is What Happened" thread? Did you delete it, or did a different moderator delete it? I enjoyed reading the post from Redline, it was nice to see a dealer post on the site, but then it just went away;?

[rodltg2]

Rod; I'm beginning to wonder if you have a bad MCM or connector problem in the harness. Still feels like you are one repair from a stable, reliable great 197!


they better because i may sell the 93, dont want too but i cant afford to keep both for too long and i dont want to lose the sale

[PendO]

Ric:


Hull#1-White
Hull#2 - Navy Blue
Hull#3 - White
Hull#4 - Navy Blue
Deck Color - White
Main Accent Monterey Blue
Int. Accent 1 - Aluminum
Accent 2 - Monterey Blue (wish they had navy)
Stainless Steel Rub Rail
MCX with the Slot (1.26:1)
Mini Tower
Board/Slalom racks (1 each)
Mini-captain navy bimini cover w/tower
Tower mirror
rear ballas/mts ballst/ballst flush kit
PP Pro
Stereo CD Amp/Sub & remote
MP3 Input Jack (new for 06?)
Heater/Shower/Depth
Teak w/ transom saver
pull up cleats
transom rail with tow eye

We really went back and forth on the colors, my wife voted for turn bouy orange, grandpa (my dad) vetoed it as he was not sure how "classic" it would be in 10 years ... I wanted the metalic flake paint ... vetoed ... everyone else (brother, his wife, my mom) agreed on blue (my sister did not get a vote;), as he remember a green metalic paint on an old beachcraft and said it got very hot to the touch ... my whole family was skiers long before wakeboard ever came out ... my mom turned 30 for the 21st time and still deep water starts ... my dad wakesurfs, wakeboards, and rides the ski ski, and claims to be ready to deep start again with the new boat, as he hasn't since we traded in the X-9 on the X-Star ... I love the X-Star for long rides, surfing, and wakeboarding, but having grown up with an 87 PS190 it just does not cut it. We should have kept the 87, but started the upgrade process when wakeboarding became more popular ... pretty rediculous to have 2 boats like this, but 16 years ago my dad had cancer (since in remission after chemo and a few surgeries), followed by a near death motorcycle vs. truck accident (with me as the passenger after his initial diagnosis) and he decided that he would rather spend the $ and enjoy the summers as you just never know when it will all be over, or when you will be incapable of enjoying the fruits of your labor. The theme has been adopted by the rest of us, so we just share our toys and have as much fun as possible!

Rod, sorry for the threadjack, I really hope the rep/dealer/mc are able to find a solution ... especially since they did it for that guy with pink seats.



Pendo, tell us more
What color scheme did you order
mcx? powerslot? tower? perfect pass?

I too sweated every post rodl made as he swore off the 04 and then kept it then cursed it etc but I bought one anyway. He's been thru hell with it but I think it's a ghost in the machine from all I've read about it.

What a great ski boat!
Not near the room you're used to but a great towmachine and quite sexy on and off the water!

Mechanically, mine has been hassle free.

[parks_jr_55]

I think this is right.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/vw_wr/pendoboat.jpg

[Diesel]

Ric:



Main Accent Monterey Blue
Int. Accent 1 - Aluminum
Accent 2 - Monterey Blue (wish they had navy)


I had the same problem with the interior since I went with Navy flake. Is your boat already in production? The monerey will not match. I looked at a few and was surprised how much different the navy was from the monterey. As a result I did all gray for the accents.

Pic........

http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/3899/dsc009333ny.jpg

http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/2120/dsc009321rj.jpg

[Maristar210]

I had the same problem with the interior since I went with Navy flake. Is your boat already in production? The monerey will not match. I looked at a few and was surprised how much different the navy was from the monterey. As a result I did all gray for the accents.

Pic........

http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/3899/dsc009333ny.jpg

http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/2120/dsc009321rj.jpg


I like the coozie used to pad the tower in that pic. I use a small towel but the coozie is a good idea. Oops wait that wont work my coozies are full of beer.

Steve

[PendO]

Yeah, because they wouldn't match that is why we kept the Interior main acent and Accent II both monterey blue (but I have the same aprehension you did/do) ... I sware to God if someone gets in the boat and says anything about color they can park their Arse on the grass;)

They actually had a boat in the shop with the navy blue gelcoat and then a different one with monterey accents on the interior. Supposedly it is in production with a ship date of 9/12 ... maybe TMC can post a pic for me along the way.

I didn't mind the color difference in the showroom, I suppose I can always give my daughter a magic marker if necessary;)

[rodltg2]

spoke with tech support at mc and they were not interested in helping me out buy replacing the boat. its off to service once again . i dont know what i will do at this point since i cant seem to sell it now and im sick and tired of being out a boat. the 93 is easy to sell and i want to keep it but i just cant afford to keep both. the money i used to buy it was to pay off the 197. mc is making malibu look good.

[Leroy]

Rod; can MC not tell anything from the computer, pull out data, put it in diagnostic mode or even add some extra data logger in there to see what is going on? They should be able to see why it would not start when you had the problem I would think.

[flyinryn]

Rod
Any thoughts of sending the boat to Ski World and see if they have any better luck.
I know it will be a drive but might be worth it if you can get a boat that works for more than a month.

[rodltg2]

i dont know much about there diagnostic methods, you'd think i'd be an expert by now. i guess i should ask more questions. the dealer is considering a buy back and i may switch to an 05 or 06 x-7.

[Ric]

i dont know much about there diagnostic methods, you'd think i'd be an expert by now. i guess i should ask more questions. the dealer is considering a buy back and i may switch to an 05 or 06 x-7.
I have no idea if it's feasible but what if they offered to put an mcx and all new ecm and so forth. I have no idea how warranty works on that kinda stuff so I don't know if anyone would offer you this..... But it seems that the trouble centers around this motor and it's controls
?????????

[rodltg2]

i would love that option but no one has mentioned it yet.

[X2M]

I am sorry to hear that you are still going through this stuff with your boat. :(

Have you thought of taking the 197 to one of the Ski World dealers for service? I know that it would be a bit of a hike for you, but maybe having some fresh eyes on the problem might get it fixed. Just a thought.

Good luck! :)

[Ric]

i would love that option but no one has mentioned it yet.
might be worth an effort

sorry for my delayed response to your post, I was browsing pendo's photo gallery :eek: did I just say that out loud?

[Diesel]

It sounds like your boat is cursed. IIRC the first couple of issues were not even related to the LQ-9 and were external items (fuel pump, Kill switch, etc.). As a result it would not have matter which engine you had. Sounds like every dud part from all the different suppliers somehow landed on your boat. Luck of the draw I guess.......

FWIW I am going on my 12 year of MC/Indmar products with two differnt boats and have never had one not start yet.

Good luck and keep us posted!

[6ballsisall]

Rod, when you took the LQ9 on its maiden voyage did you break a bottle of champagne on its hull? Did the bottle break? If it didn't theres your sign. You didn't pull out in front of any black cats when you left the dealer when it was new did you? The dealer is not into Voodoo are they?

[Ric]

Rod, when you took the LQ9 on its maiden voyage did you break a bottle of champagne on its hull? Did the bottle break? If it didn't theres your sign. You didn't pull out in front of any black cats when you left the dealer when it was new did you? The dealer is not into Voodoo are they?
He drove the boat under a ladder

[6ballsisall]

He drove the boat under a ladder


Oh hes done for :cry:

[Ric]

Oh hes done for :cry:
maybe he cracked a mirror

[rodltg2]

Rod, when you took the LQ9 on its maiden voyage did you break a bottle of champagne on its hull? Did the bottle break? If it didn't theres your sign. You didn't pull out in front of any black cats when you left the dealer when it was new did you? The dealer is not into Voodoo are they?


believe it or not the maiden voyage is when the first problem happened. the perfect pass cable broke and i had to hand throttle it back to the marina . not easy to drive and do that at the same time.

[6ballsisall]

believe it or not the maiden voyage is when the first problem happened. the perfect pass cable broke and i had to hand throttle it back to the marina . not easy to drive and do that at the same time.

Whats the name of that movie with Harrison Ford where he is the captain of that Russian Nuclear Sub that was cursed? Sounds all to similar rod, fortunately your LQ9 isn't leaking radiation :eek3:

[rodltg2]

no just coolant, second time it broke down.

[6ballsisall]

no just coolant, second time it broke down.

Have you checked at state Lemon Law? I was/am going thru that process on a car and after reading thru the lemon law booklet that comes with new cars, i noticed some states DO cover boats. I remember the California section on Lemon law was about a zillion pages (figures its CA :rolleyes: ) You might look into it

[rodltg2]

i just talked to the service center and it seems to start now so they cant find whats wrong with it. typical.

[AirJunky]

Whats the name of that movie with Harrison Ford where he is the captain of that Russian Nuclear Sub that was cursed?
K-19 :cool:

[FlyingFreeman]

i just talked to the service center and it seems to start now so they cant find whats wrong with it. typical.

I recently purchased an 02 TT PS197 with an LQ9. After a few outings, the boat shut off and wouldn't start. I couldn't hear the fuel pump running, but the boat restarted after a few minutes of trying. This phenomena recurred on my next outing, so I decided to search for the problem. A phone call to the dealer suggested a fuel pump replacement. The old pump was running, but it didn't seem to be making proper pressure (because the boat wouldn't even idle).

After installing the new pump, the new pump wouldn't run. Reinstalled the old pump and it would run (but the boat would not). Put the new pump back it, now it was running (and so was the boat). Launched the boat and it shut off again.

Long story short, it turns out the Delphi GM weatherpak connector between the pump relay and the pump (it's located at the rear of the engine near the relay box which connects the pump wiring harness to the engine harness) has a poor connection. Even though the voltage at the pump was equal to the battery charge (12.55 volts in my case with the pump disconnected), the poor connection was not detected until I ohmed the wire from the output side of the relay to the fuel pump itself. I was able to prove this connector as the point of failure during testing because the connector became warm/hot during testing when the boat was acting up.

Contact cleaner did not solve the problem, and I will likely remove the connector and solder the wires together. The connector was likely placed here for ease of factory assembly with this engine being installed in multiple vessels.

By the way, newbie and first post.

I love the Mastercraft, and this message board helped to convince me to buy. Now that I've sampled the Mastercraft experience, I can't imagine being without one.

Mastercraft and the message board rocks.

Remember, even those weather tight connectors/plugs can corrode and loose their connection. I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't seen it myself.

Rod, wouldn't that be something if it turns out that your boat has such a simple problem too-- and a country boy from South Carolina figured it out from thousands of miles away.

[erkoehler]

I don't think he cares who figures out the problem! He sure would be thrilled though.

[PendO]

Wow! I'm new to the board in the last month or so, but this has my vote for one helluva post! Nice job finding the problem FF. Do you have a direct # next time I have a problem;) Welcome to the board!


I recently purchased an 02 TT PS197 with an LQ9. After a few outings, the boat shut off and wouldn't start. I couldn't hear the fuel pump running, but the boat restarted after a few minutes of trying. This phenomena recurred on my next outing, so I decided to search for the problem. A phone call to the dealer suggested a fuel pump replacement. The old pump was running, but it didn't seem to be making proper pressure (because the boat wouldn't even idle).

After installing the new pump, the new pump wouldn't run. Reinstalled the old pump and it would run (but the boat would not). Put the new pump back it, now it was running (and so was the boat). Launched the boat and it shut off again.

Long story short, it turns out the Delphi GM weatherpak connector between the pump relay and the pump (it's located at the rear of the engine near the relay box which connects the pump wiring harness to the engine harness) has a poor connection. Even though the voltage at the pump was equal to the battery charge (12.55 volts in my case with the pump disconnected), the poor connection was not detected until I ohmed the wire from the output side of the relay to the fuel pump itself. I was able to prove this connector as the point of failure during testing because the connector became warm/hot during testing when the boat was acting up.

Contact cleaner did not solve the problem, and I will likely remove the connector and solder the wires together. The connector was likely placed here for ease of factory assembly with this engine being installed in multiple vessels.

By the way, newbie and first post.

I love the Mastercraft, and this message board helped to convince me to buy. Now that I've sampled the Mastercraft experience, I can't imagine being without one.

Mastercraft and the message board rocks.

Remember, even those weather tight connectors/plugs can corrode and loose their connection. I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't seen it myself.

Rod, wouldn't that be something if it turns out that your boat has such a simple problem too-- and a country boy from South Carolina figured it out from thousands of miles away.

[PendO]

I'm thinking about bumping this post once a week, in case some of you did not see it last night. Welcome this guy to the board;) Strange how a thread can evolve, this response made it worthwile for me! Enjoy the water today fellas/gals ....


I recently purchased an 02 TT PS197 with an LQ9. After a few outings, the boat shut off and wouldn't start. I couldn't hear the fuel pump running, but the boat restarted after a few minutes of trying. This phenomena recurred on my next outing, so I decided to search for the problem. A phone call to the dealer suggested a fuel pump replacement. The old pump was running, but it didn't seem to be making proper pressure (because the boat wouldn't even idle).

After installing the new pump, the new pump wouldn't run. Reinstalled the old pump and it would run (but the boat would not). Put the new pump back it, now it was running (and so was the boat). Launched the boat and it shut off again.

Long story short, it turns out the Delphi GM weatherpak connector between the pump relay and the pump (it's located at the rear of the engine near the relay box which connects the pump wiring harness to the engine harness) has a poor connection. Even though the voltage at the pump was equal to the battery charge (12.55 volts in my case with the pump disconnected), the poor connection was not detected until I ohmed the wire from the output side of the relay to the fuel pump itself. I was able to prove this connector as the point of failure during testing because the connector became warm/hot during testing when the boat was acting up.

Contact cleaner did not solve the problem, and I will likely remove the connector and solder the wires together. The connector was likely placed here for ease of factory assembly with this engine being installed in multiple vessels.

By the way, newbie and first post.

I love the Mastercraft, and this message board helped to convince me to buy. Now that I've sampled the Mastercraft experience, I can't imagine being without one.

Mastercraft and the message board rocks.

Remember, even those weather tight connectors/plugs can corrode and loose their connection. I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't seen it myself.

Rod, wouldn't that be something if it turns out that your boat has such a simple problem too-- and a country boy from South Carolina figured it out from thousands of miles away.

[JimN]

Rod- check with the dealer and ask if they checked ALL of the connections in the fuel pump circuit (from the boat plug through the ECM and relay, and anything in between. I suspect that they saw it work, decided that they fixed it and gave it back to you. If they hem and haw or seem to be telling you what they think you want to hear, press the issue. They're supposed to document any steps they take in diagnosing and repairing a problem if they expect to be paid by the warranty dept. for their time. If they can't show you documentation, they either do sloppy paperwork or didn't actually do what they said.

The only thing I would say in anyone's defense is that intermittent problems are absolutely the worst thing to try to find. That said, it's very easy to bypass any suspicious wires, teminals and connectors in order to verify the fix. The thing I saw at MC training that would tell me that certain techs would have a hard time troubleshooting is that they didn't know much/anything about electronics. There were guys who had been working on motors for 50 years who were totally baffled by a relay that has the circuit diagrammed on the side of it. They looked at the relay like it was from Mars and all we needed to do was connect a light bulb and blower to a battery through a relay so the light was on normally and the blower went on when the relay was latched. I see this as an issue for MC and ALL manufacturers to really get into. I doubt that many of the techs going through MC training want to admit that they don't understand the electrical part but in the best interest of the customers, I think MC needs to add more emphasis on mandatory electrical training, or remedial if proficiency can't be demonstrated. There is a good amount of time spent on electrical circuits and diagnostics but in setting up the courses, I think the assumption that the tech already has a good electrical background is made when it shouldn't. Some of us spent a lot of time working with 12V electronics(car audio/video/security) and that makes most electrical diagnostics easier.

[bigmac]

Rod- check with the dealer and ask if they checked ALL of the connections in the fuel pump circuit (from the boat plug through the ECM and relay, and anything in between. I suspect that they saw it work, decided that they fixed it and gave it back to you. If they hem and haw or seem to be telling you what they think you want to hear, press the issue. They're supposed to document any steps they take in diagnosing and repairing a problem if they expect to be paid by the warranty dept. for their time. If they can't show you documentation, they either do sloppy paperwork or didn't actually do what they said.

The only thing I would say in anyone's defense is that intermittent problems are absolutely the worst thing to try to find. That said, it's very easy to bypass any suspicious wires, teminals and connectors in order to verify the fix. The thing I saw at MC training that would tell me that certain techs would have a hard time troubleshooting is that they didn't know much/anything about electronics. There were guys who had been working on motors for 50 years who were totally baffled by a relay that has the circuit diagrammed on the side of it. They looked at the relay like it was from Mars and all we needed to do was connect a light bulb and blower to a battery through a relay so the light was on normally and the blower went on when the relay was latched. I see this as an issue for MC and ALL manufacturers to really get into. I doubt that many of the techs going through MC training want to admit that they don't understand the electrical part but in the best interest of the customers, I think MC needs to add more emphasis on mandatory electrical training, or remedial if proficiency can't be demonstrated. There is a good amount of time spent on electrical circuits and diagnostics but in setting up the courses, I think the assumption that the tech already has a good electrical background is made when it shouldn't. Some of us spent a lot of time working with 12V electronics(car audio/video/security) and that makes most electrical diagnostics easier.

My son is finishing up 2 years at Wyotech in Laramie in automotive technology (starts the 1.5 year course on Harley Davidson technology at MMI in November). The 3 months of courses he did on automotive electrical systems was a butt-kicker, but he tells me that they spent a lot of time on electrical connectors as a key point of diagnosis - Ohms Law becomes a mantra. As a source of intermittent, hard-to-diagnose problems, this is a much more common source than intermittent faults in a solid-state device like an ECM. Great post by Flying Freeman.

[JimN]

For any of you who have seen me write the initial steps, taught to us at MC training, here they are again. Copy them, print it out, write it in Crayon, I don't care but it will save a lot of frustration and annoyance.

1) Verify the problem. Nothing is worse than jumping headfirst into a problem than coming to a conclusion before learning about what it's doing/not doing.

2) Do a visual inspection. If the issue is electrical, look for loose or disconnected wires, plugs and connectors. Also, look for corrosion at points of contact or where the ground is established (on the engine block or the battery terminals).

3) Do a wiggle test if the problem is electrical. Don't worry, if it comes off, it was probably the cause, anyway.

4) Write down what you do, see and hear. The longer a repair takes, the more info you'll accumulate and forget. The amount of forgotten information is increased more rapidly as the frustration level rises.


Mechanical problems are pretty easy to find. Parts wear, break, fall off,
and if they're still in place, some kind of measurement can be made to check for their shape, size, tightness of fit. It's easy to understand what can be seen.

With electrical problems, this isn't the case. There is a training class called "On water advanced diagnostics" and if the electrical/electronic basics are lacking, it's like showing them on a big screen TV. With an audience. The people who run the classes create "cranks, but no fire" situations for the techs and some of them are not even close to being common(this is from first-hand experience). The diagnostic steps are observed and if the techs jump into the boat and start tearing things apart, they are made to get out and the whole thing starts over, correctly. If a diagnosis is made and a new part is requested, they have to explain why. If their explaination is wrong, the part is either "out of stock" or they make a big, loud buzzer sound and say "WRONG!"

Ohm's Law rules, but is only a tool to use. It's more for design than diagnosis but it has its place there, too. The first place to look when an electrical device doesn't work is at the battery + and -, either directly at the battery posts(as in the case of slow crank or, no crank or really strange operation) or at the harness attached to the device. Otherwise, if a device needs power supplied to it, this is the first place to look. This means that at least one terminal or connector is involved. Note that there is a difference between a terminal and a connector. The other part of the equation is knowing how the circuit works and the circuit itself.

The main thing to remember is that if there are a lot of connecting points in a circuit, the reliability decreases, although it may be easier to assemble the final product. If there are 8 connections on the way to the fuel pump and each has a resistance of .1 ohms, you have (obviously) .8 ohms of resistance form those, added to the resistance of the wire, internal R of the relay, and this creates a voltage drop that may result in premature failure, especially if the battery is run down. (P=IxE, such that if the power is going to remain constant, the current rises as the voltage drops). Heat in conductors and components kills them. Overheated conductors become brittle and if the current is too high, they become fuses and separate at their weakest point. Terminals break from this excessive heat and brittleness, coupled with vibration.

[bigmac]

For any of you who have seen me write the initial steps, taught to us at MC training, here they are again. Copy them, print it out, write it in Crayon, I don't care but it will save a lot of frustration and annoyance.

1The main thing to remember is that if there are a lot of connecting points in a circuit, the reliability decreases, although it may be easier to assemble the final product. If there are 8 connections on the way to the fuel pump and each has a resistance of .1 ohms, you have (obviously) .8 ohms of resistance form those, added to the resistance of the wire, internal R of the relay, and this creates a voltage drop that may result in premature failure, especially if the battery is run down. (P=IxE, such that if the power is going to remain constant, the current rises as the voltage drops). Heat in conductors and components kills them. Overheated conductors become brittle and if the current is too high, they become fuses and separate at their weakest point. Terminals break from this excessive heat and brittleness, coupled with vibration.

All good tips. I installed Perfect Pass in my 230 several weeks ago. The install was pretty easy, but when I went to fire it up - it didn't work. My first thought of course was that the module was defective, but when I inspected the connectors and pulled on each of the wires in the connector block, I found that one of the pins wasn't seated. Popped it in until it clicked - that was the problem. It looked normal, but when the connector was mated, that pin would back out just enough to prevent connection. I was tipped off by the same situation installing an upgraded fuel gauge in my motorcycle last spring.


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[erkoehler]

I am assuming he will see it either way since he just bought the bu!

Rod, do you have 3 boats now????? :D

[RackAtak]

Someone's gonna to get a screamin' deal!!! :popcorn:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1,1&item=4574416066&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT

[Ric]

Someone's gonna to get a screamin' deal!!! :popcorn:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1,1&item=4574416066&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT
hangin 'em out there with the "no reserve" listing ayyye Rodl?
Don't tell me you missed that little detail like when you misspelled mastercraft on the other listing? :eek:
Good luck!
:popcorn:

[Leroy]

Should pay for the BU!

[Farmer Ted]

there's always that little caveat...

"I RESERVE THE RIGHT TO END THE AUCTION EARLY WITHOUT NOTICE"

[Farmer Ted]

there's always that little caveat...

"I RESERVE THE RIGHT TO END THE AUCTION EARLY WITHOUT NOTICE"

[Ric]

there's always that little caveat...

"I RESERVE THE RIGHT TO END THE AUCTION EARLY WITHOUT NOTICE"
ahhhhh haaaahhhh :(

[rodltg2]

THIS BOAT HAD BEEN DEALER MAINTAINED WITH REGULAR SERVICE.


this statemnt is truest of them all!

[spotenator]

In the words of Yogi Berra, "It's deja vu all over again". Rod, I too just bought a holdover 2004 X9 and the thing died on me about 4.5 miles up Lake Oroville. Fortunately I had another boat along to tow me in. I bought from Ski World so I had to get the thing back down to Pleasanton. Nice. Anyway, I have been informed that the fuel pump went bad (11 hrs on the boat). Rest assured I will not be venturing too far up any of the lakes around alone anytime soon. Am going down to Ski World tomorrow to pick'er up again and I am going to take it out on the Delta where I know I can call someone if it quits.

It is going to be a little nerve racking for a while everytime I take this thing out after hearing about so many others.

I am guessing you got yours at Copes up in Rocklin? I was very close to buying a holdever 209 (cool red and black) they had there.

[rodltg2]

yes, i bought it at copes. if your out on the delta tommorow or sunday , ill be there and can help you if break down. you should be ok though, the fuel pump issue seems to be very common.

[ski_king]

Rod, have you sold your 197?

[rodltg2]

as long as the guy doesnt flake

[BriEOD]

Looks like you lost your shirt on it.

[east tx skier]

He probably made a mint on that 93 S&S and broke even for the year.

/just speculatin' :)

[Ric]

as long as the guy doesnt flake
rodl
check out my questions in the threadjack thread

[east tx skier]

as long as the guy doesnt flake

Or do a google search about ski boat trailers like I did a couple of years back. ;)

[Ric]

Or do a google search about ski boat trailers like I did a couple of years back. ;)
:purplaugh .

[PendO]

Rod, have you sold your 197?

Can't believe you really sold it that cheap ... ?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1,1&item=4574416066&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT

[Ric]

Can't believe you really sold it that cheap ... ?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1,1&item=4574416066&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT
I too am anxious to know if the deal is solid being an ebay buyer and all...
I actually got my buyer for my 190 from an ebay listing. He didnt win it on ebay, but it's how he found me and then we bargained and he got a great deal on a great boat.

[Leroy]

I have to ask, Spotenator, Rod, others with fuel pumps going out, do you run low on gas before refill, below 1/4 or 1/8 tank or were you low when pump quit?


Not trying to justify or even say that is ok, just curious if there is any correlation between low fuel in tank and pumps going bad. I've heard that mentioned, and would say bad design if true, but with gas splashing around can imagine pump out of fuel when the tank is low.

[spotenator]

Leroy, as the boat had 5 hrs on it when I got it I can't speak for what happened to it before me, however, I can tell you I never even got close to half a tank. I have put nothing but Super or Premium fuel in it. I got it back this weekend and had no problems although it started out a little shaky. I put in at a place called Orwood Resort on the Delta (you may have seen Orwood mentioned in the West Coast Reunion thread). It start fine but as soon as I gave it some gas it bogged down (for just a moment) and then kicked in. It ran a little spotty for a few minutes and then really hit its stride after that. I took it out again today for a couple of hours and had no problems whatsoever.

[JimN]

If the motor wasn't warmed up to the normal operating temperature, that could explain the sluggishness at first. The new motors have a sequential warm-up cycle and will not let you go balls out till it's at N.O.T.

[Ric]

.... ...

[RobertT]

I have ran my boat out of gas about ten times this year...170 hours this year...no problems yet. Since reading about the fuel pump issues, I have been more careful to keep gas in the boat though.

That is pretty cheap. I paid under 40 for mine though, with just about all the whistles and bells.

[Ric]

I have ran my boat out of gas about ten times this year...170 hours this year...no problems yet. Since reading about the fuel pump issues, I have been more careful to keep gas in the boat though.

That is pretty cheap. I paid under 40 for mine though, with just about all the whistles and bells.
you got a deal!

[erkoehler]

I have ran my boat out of gas about ten times this year...170 hours this year...no problems yet. Since reading about the fuel pump issues, I have been more careful to keep gas in the boat though.
That is pretty cheap. I paid under 40 for mine though, with just about all the whistles and bells.

You ran out of gas 10 times???? *** were you doing......doesn't the gas gauge work? :rolleyes:

[87Craft]

You ran out of gas 10 times???? *** were you doing......doesn't the gas gauge work?

He must have been looking for ropes to run over :rolleyes:

[east tx skier]

You ran out of gas 10 times???? *** were you doing......doesn't the gas gauge work? :rolleyes:

Erk, if your gas guages work, you are one of the lucky ones.

[PendO]

Erk, if your gas guages work, you are one of the lucky ones.

you mean everyone else puts their ear down to try and "hear" when the boat is about full ... well, when I am too lazy to open up the boat so the fuel level is visible;) At least it is gel coat, not pinstriping.

[east tx skier]

That's a separate problem altogether. I was talking about the fuel sending unit.

I haven't felt compelled to fill my boat up lately with these prices. So I haven't been listening for the half-second "warning whistle" while gassing up. :D

[PendO]

That's a separate problem altogether. I was talking about the fuel sending unit.

I haven't felt compelled to fill my boat up lately with these prices. So I haven't been listening for the half-second "warning whistle" while gassing up. :D


Nah, I hear you on the sending unit ... same with the ballast guages ... my explorer has a guage that supposedly tells you how many miles you have left ... but there is still some left at 0;)

[east tx skier]

You know they've got something at skidim that supposedly fixes the fill/spill issue.

[Ric]

You know they've got something at skidim that supposedly fixes the fill/spill issue.
mine sloshed out at me on friday when filling it from a 3gallon gas can :eek: talk about a surprise!

[RobertT]

Yep, about ten times. No excuses, I am just an idiot. My lake is only about 800 acres, which means that you are never too far from your dock or the marina which is on the exact opposite side.

We start having fun, and push it a little now and then. Many times we pull the boat back into the lift way low on gas. If I forget to grab a can or two, I will always "try" to make it over to the marina. I have failed a time or two.

Now I know, when the needle reads empty it means it.

I doubt I will ever run out of fuel again, now that I know it might have mechanical repercussions.

Still, a 26 gallon tank that you can only put 20 gallons in can be a pain.

The marina only opens between 1:00 pm and 6:00pm...and only on the weekends. During the week during morning runs...it gets sketchy sometimes.

[east tx skier]

Robert, you sure you've got a 26 gallon tank. There have been reports of 18 gallon tanks in some newer boats.

[mitch]

You know they've got something at skidim that supposedly fixes the fill/spill issue.

Doug, What do they have? I use your half-second "warning whistle" method

[RobertT]

Specs say thirty something gallon tank. It only holds 18-19 gallons.

It says its a 26 gallon tank. It only holds 18 because there are two strap locations that are molded in, which causes two large pockets that are vapor locked. The calculations on the volume of the tank probably measure 26 gallons, but 8 gallons are useless for holding anything except gas vapor.

It could be fixed by adding two more vents, but I don't know if I want to screw with it to be honest.

Still, I wish it had the specified tank that Mastercraft published it had, but its a small price to pay for not owning a Bu:)

muuuuhghhhaaaaaaa ha ha ha

sorry, couldn't help it.

[PendO]

Specs say thirty something gallon tank. It only holds 18-19 gallons.

It says its a 26 gallon tank. It only holds 18 because there are two strap locations that are molded in, which causes two large pockets that are vapor locked. The calculations on the volume of the tank probably measure 26 gallons, but 8 gallons are useless for holding anything except gas vapor.

It could be fixed by adding two more vents, but I don't know if I want to screw with it to be honest.

Still, I wish it had the specified tank that Mastercraft published it had, but its a small price to pay for not owning a Bu:)

muuuuhghhhaaaaaaa ha ha ha

sorry, couldn't help it.

The "Specs" are funny when you read them and realize ... who edited this thing ... i.e prop pitch, gear ratio ... but if I can run my lawnmower out of gas and it will start up again, I sure hope I can run my M/C out of gas without catastrophic failure;) 15+ years ago my sister and 2 of her girlfriends ran a SeaRay out of gas about 800 meters from the cabin when nobody else was up and the river was not at all busy on a weekday... they tried to get in the water and swim it back to the dock until somebody came by ... funny as hell;)

[jpattigr]

RobertT

My 97 PT 917 has the same gas tank as your boat, I can squeeze about 20 gallons or so and that is it.
I usually keep it around a 1/2 tank and top up as required. ;)

[Ric]

RobertT

My 97 PT 917 has the same gas tank as your boat, I can squeeze about 20 gallons or so and that is it.
I usually keep it around a 1/2 tank and top up as required. ;)

There's another model I left off my polling ;)

[east tx skier]

Back in the olden days, it said 30 gallons, and it'll hold 30 gallons. Wish I could fill up with 18. :)

[PendO]

There's another model I left off my polling ;)

Canadian Version ;)

[erkoehler]

Now that I have fixed my ground issue, I do believe that the gas gauge is accurate, however I will try not to test it to see what happens when it says "E".

I have had it just above the "E" line before, and that was worry some enough for me.

[jpattigr]

Opps!!, And I didn't drink beer tonight till the MNF game started!!

2002 PT 197!!! :D

[Ric]

Opps!!, And I didn't drink beer tonight till the MNF game started!!

2002 PT 197!!! :D
heh heh just havin some fun with you

RODL............ Did the blue boat sell or not??????????????

[rodltg2]

like i said before if he doesnt flake, he supposedly is wiring the money and then i release it to the shipping company. i think hes getting a loan .

[Ric]

like i said before if he doesnt flake, he supposedly is wiring the money and then i release it to the shipping company. i think hes getting a loan .
GOOD LUCK .

[ski_king]

like i said before if he doesnt flake, he supposedly is wiring the money and then i release it to the shipping company. i think hes getting a loan .
and if he does flake, you always can sell it to the guy who won the bid on ebay.

[rodltg2]

thats the plan

[Ric]

thats the plan
his comments on you make me think he's no longer interested.

[erkoehler]

his comments on you make me think he's no longer interested.

I got that same idea!

[rodltg2]

i see he is are newset team mc member , so once he reads about my boat on here he will definalety not be interested! :(

[erkoehler]

Thats not good.....

[PendO]

Thats not good.....

Yeah, but waaay easier than trading it in on the bu;) (cough cough)

The whole wiring money for a boat would bug me, but not as much as winning a boat and then not getting it ... I will watch for comedic relief and check back on the ebay feedback;) On to the swimsuit thread for now!

Oh, and chances are Brainroll is just the toolman here to F with you, doubt some guy bidding on a T/T would find TMCOwners that quick;)

[OhioProstar]

i see he is are newset team mc member , so once he reads about my boat on here he will definalety not be interested! :(

So for the sheer fact of resale maybe you shouldn't have trashed your own boat so much?

[rodltg2]

i never trashed it only told the facts

[Ric]

i never trashed it only told the facts
ALL of the facts? I'm not yet convinced

[rodltg2]

i dont understand why you think there is more to this boat than meets the eye. none of my problems that i had were unique to my boat. i have read on here at least one other boat , probabaly more , with each one of my problems, just not all of them . unfortunaley i got all in one summer. . here is the list

pp cable broke
cracked coolant box
sparkplugs needed the update
fuel pump failure
fuel pump wiring harness failed
main wiring harness failed.

i'm tired of talking about this boat and you guys seem tired of hearing about it. problems are over its getting sold , so lets not mention it anymore. the new boat is great , going on 30 hours and performing great.

[erkoehler]

I'll second that Rod........

[Ric]

I almost hate to ask it Rod but what's the latest on the TT boat? Did it sell?

[gene dobies]

I almost hate to ask it Rod but what's the latest on the TT boat? Did it sell?

Why do something you hate to do? I don't get it. Unless you want to stir the fire, so to speak.

[Ric]

Why do something you hate to do? I don't get it. Unless you want to stir the fire, so to speak.
I said almost Gene
you know how abrasive I can be pal ;)
Gene am I the only one here who wants to know if the TT problem child is sold?

[Tom023]

I do, I do.

[east tx skier]

I was curious. I almost hate to say it though. Almost. ;) Sort of like saying, that water is so smooth, I almost hate to carve it up. :dance:

[ski_king]

It is just a beautiful boat that had a tough year.

I just want to see it find a good home with the loving owner it deserves.

[Footin]

Rod, If you havn't sold it yet, I'll give 10 grand for it....we're talkin cash...and I don't even need a receipt!

[ski_king]

I'll go 20, but I want a reciept.

[Footin]

I'll go 20, but I want a reciept.

OK, 21k and I'll take one written on a cocktail napkin.

[east tx skier]

$21,000.01 and I'll buy the cocktails.

[Footin]

$21,000.01 and I'll buy the cocktails.

Sold..........

[east tx skier]

Oh crap. :o

[jmyers]

Oh crap. :o
I will split with you, you pick up the $21,000, and I will take care of the .01. What do you think Oh and I will supply the cocktail napkinf for documentation! :D

[east tx skier]

Sounds good. Where do I pick up the $21K?

[Ric]

Sounds good. Where do I pick up the $21K?
~21-27 may buy that think around december 30th :o

[jmyers]

Sounds good. Where do I pick up the $21K?
Any local bank will work! I will try to get the .01 together. :D Oh and I can pick the boat up from Rod too! Since I am so close. :steering:

[east tx skier]

Okie dokie. Just let me locate my ski mask, fast car, and bag with $ sign on it.

[jmyers]

Okie dokie. Just let me locate my ski mask, fast car, and bag with $ sign on it.
If that's the case I suggest you don't use a local bank! :uglyhamme
Oh yea, don't forget to unhitch the boat!

[Ric]

cmon Rodl
don't leave us hangin
did it sell?

[rodltg2]

did what sell?

[Ric]

did what sell?
:popcorn:






.

[rodltg2]

this is the last i saw of it....

[X-45]

:purplaugh :purplaugh :purplaugh

[prostar205]

I believe Rod's boat is on Craigslist under the Seattle tab. Just go to "for sale" and type Mastecraft. It will be the first one that shows up. It for sale for $37K. Great looking boat - I'd love to have it but the wife loves the room of the X30.

[lakes Rick]

Heineken beer is the beer of choice in Rods boat... when he can find it........

[Ric]

I believe Rod's boat is on Craigslist under the Seattle tab. Just go to "for sale" and type Mastecraft. It will be the first one that shows up. It for sale for $37K. Great looking boat - I'd love to have it but the wife loves the room of the X30.
Rodl, discounting may be in order for a fast sell before the rendition is due!

[Ric]

this is the last i saw of it....
oh and that is one of the funniest pics I've seen in a while
do you have it on mbo yet?

[Ric]

B U M P
Rodl
did it sell??

[88 PS190]

Anyone just install an aftermarket fuel pump? seems it'd be worth the small expense and peace of mind to have a reliable product.

[zberger]

walbro makes great pumps..

[NORTHERN LIGHTS]

My first post. I bought an 04 197 tt with an lq9 in june of '05. The second week I owned the boat i lost the fuel pump. about 125hrs. july 4th weekend (35+ people) lost the fuel pump again. I still had my 88 prostar so the weekend wasn't totally ruined. first week of august--guess what! lost the fuel pump. labor day weekend---lost the fuel pump.
I live in southern maine so my ski season is VERY short. Sold my old prostar in about two weeks--boy what a mistake!
Rod- i feel your pain. the boat rocks on looks alone. but looks don't pull wakeboarders or skiers. My local dealer has been good. bottom line is after labor day I have very little time left to ski. A 4th pump was put in and the boat was winterized for the season. So here i sit in january nervous as hell as to weather the boat is actually going to run this spring.
if ANYONE has any updates as to what the hell is going on with these lq9's it would be greatly apperciated. 40k does not go very far now does it? Bring back carburators!! those engines will run forever.

[André]

Welcome to the board Northern Lights! :headbang:
Sorry about all those fuel pumps problems,you must have lost a lot of ski time... :(
Hope your problems are over and that you don't follow rod into the great "Darkness"... :D

[André]

Just notice that it was your first post since you registered in...November 04!!!
Seems that no threads at all got you interrested enough to post before...
Have you seen the Swimsuit thread? :D ;)

[Leroy]

Hello Northern lights;


I would ask your dealer for more analysis if the old pump is still around. Overload, burn out, run out of fuel, weak pump design? You need to get to the root of the problem, I still think Rod got to the root problem with the harness and had that fixed so the next guy will have a great boat.

This is not normal and if your dealer cannot help contact:
http://www.tmcowners.com/teamtalk/showthread.php?t=6435&highlight=customer


My first post. I bought an 04 197 tt with an lq9 in june of '05. The second week I owned the boat i lost the fuel pump. about 125hrs. july 4th weekend (35+ people) lost the fuel pump again. I still had my 88 prostar so the weekend wasn't totally ruined. first week of august--guess what! lost the fuel pump. labor day weekend---lost the fuel pump.
I live in southern maine so my ski season is VERY short. Sold my old prostar in about two weeks--boy what a mistake!
Rod- i feel your pain. the boat rocks on looks alone. but looks don't pull wakeboarders or skiers. My local dealer has been good. bottom line is after labor day I have very little time left to ski. A 4th pump was put in and the boat was winterized for the season. So here i sit in january nervous as hell as to weather the boat is actually going to run this spring.
if ANYONE has any updates as to what the hell is going on with these lq9's it would be greatly apperciated. 40k does not go very far now does it? Bring back carburators!! those engines will run forever.

[rodltg2]

sounds like you had a simalar summer as mine. the dealer finally narrowed down the problem to the main wiring harness. i'm very certain that this fixed the problem for good, but i didnt have the patience and went to the "dark side" as andre puts it.

[NORTHERN LIGHTS]

thanks for the warm welcome! I have been "browsing" around for awhile and finally decided to add my 2 cents to the thread. Yes- i have seen the swimsuit thread--several times. Shortly I'll post some pics to the swimsuit---We grow em big in maine!!!! just kiddin! I think all will enjoy. I printed out many of the post about the lq9. I'm going to have a chat with the service manager about what has developed over the last few months.
Sounds like the same problems as Rod. I looked at this boat about 15 times and finally decided I had to have it. I've been running mastercrafts for 12 years and I really do believe they are the best ski boats out there....but, my patience is running mighty thin.
Again- thanks for the welcome. I do come to this site quite often. You all Seem like a good bunch of people!!
Mike
Northern Lights
:banana:

[André]

rod
You'll come back to the light...They all do! :D ;)

[rodltg2]

thanks for the warm welcome! I have been "browsing" around for awhile and finally decided to add my 2 cents to the thread. Yes- i have seen the swimsuit thread--several times. Shortly I'll post some pics to the swimsuit---We grow em big in maine!!!! just kiddin! I think all will enjoy. I printed out many of the post about the lq9. I'm going to have a chat with the service manager about what has developed over the last few months.
Sounds like the same problems as Rod. I looked at this boat about 15 times and finally decided I had to have it. I've been running mastercrafts for 12 years and I really do believe they are the best ski boats out there....but, my patience is running mighty thin.
Again- thanks for the welcome. I do come to this site quite often. You all Seem like a good bunch of people!!
Mike
Northern Lights
:banana:

hopefully it wont happen anymore, but a trick i learned that bought me some time was to disconnect/reconnect the battery. somehow it would reset the fuel pump and good for one more start.

[NORTHERN LIGHTS]

the way i got mine to start up again was bang on top of the fuel pump. Did that for the 4th of july. Sometime it would run for several hours other times several minutes.
Just checked out your picture gallery. Identical boats!!
nice ride too. big ole chrome rims.
I have a triple black '01 corvette convert. with 15,800 miles on it sitting at my shop. Hope you use your ride more than i use mine. When you live in maine and you have only six months of good(warm) weather something has to give. boat/car? well, guess which one lost! 3,200k a year!
anyone wanna buy a cherry vette?