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Double D
05-20-2010, 08:24 AM
Just saw this e-mail. True or not, I gotta throw it out there. I checked Snopes and couldn't find anything.

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While you were watching the oil spill, the New York failed terrorist bombing and other critical crises, Hillary Clinton signed the small arms treaty with the UN.

OBAMA FINDS LEGAL WAY AROUND THE 2ND AMENDMENT AND USES IT.
IF THIS PASSES, THERE COULD BE WAR

On Wednesday Obama Took the First Major Step in a Plan to Ban All Firearms in the United States

On Wednesday the Obama administration took its first major step in a plan to ban all firearms in the United States . The Obama administration intends to force gun control and a complete ban on all weapons for US citizens through the signing of international treaties with foreign nations. By signing international treaties on gun control, the Obama administration can use the US State Department to bypass the normal legislative process in Congress. Once the US Government signs these international treaties, all US citizens will be subject to those gun laws created by foreign governments. These are laws that have been developed and promoted by organizations such as the United Nations and individuals such as George Soros and Michael Bloomberg. The laws are designed and intended to lead to the complete ban and confiscation of all firearms. The Obama administration is attempting to use tactics and methods of gun control that will inflict major damage to our 2nd Amendment before US citizens even understand what has happened.

Obama can appear before the public and tell them that he does not intend to pursue any legislation (in the United States) that will lead to new gun control laws, while cloaked in secrecy, his Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton is committing the US to international treaties and foreign gun control laws. Does that mean Obama is telling the truth? What it means is that there will be no publicized gun control debates in the media or votes in Congress. We will wake up one morning and find that the United States has signed a treaty that prohibits firearm and ammunition manufacturers from selling to the public. We will wake up another morning and find that the US has signed a treaty that prohibits any transfer of firearm ownership. And then, we will wake up yet another morning and find that the US has signed a treaty that requires US citizens to deliver any firearm they own to the local government collection and destruction center or face imprisonment. This has happened in other countries, past and present!

THIS IS NOT A JOKE OR A FALSE WARNING.
As sure as government health care will be forced on us by the Obama administration through whatever means necessary, so will gun control. Read the Article U.S. reverses stance on treaty to regulate arms trade WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States reversed policy on Wednesday and said it would back launching talks on a treaty to regulate arms sales as long as the talks operated by consensus, a stance critics said gave every nation a veto. The decision, announced in a statement released by the U.S. State Department, overturns the position of former President George W. Bush's administration, which had opposed such a treaty on the grounds that national controls were better. View The Full Article Here

Click on the link below for further acknowledgement…..
http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE59E0Q920091015


Please forward this message to others who may be concerned about the direction in which our country is headed. This is a very serious matter! Silence will lead us to Socialism!!!

JimN
05-20-2010, 09:35 AM
This isn't new. It's also unconstitutional if he tries to do this by signing a treaty with any other country because there's a clause in our Constitution, stating that no treaty shall be signed that supercedes the Constitution in matters of national security.

thatsmrmastercraft
05-20-2010, 09:38 AM
Good answer.

jvbaca
05-20-2010, 09:43 AM
Does personal gun ownership come up on radar as a national security issue? I hope so, but it could be subjective. As a gun enthusiast I don't feel any president, without the approval of the house, and senate, could limit gun ownership in this country. That's why it's important that each individual exercise his/her most important right this country provides and VOTE!:)

Jorski
05-20-2010, 10:44 AM
The treaty has NOTHING to do with personal gun ownership inside of the US. It has to do with the international sale of guns to to foreign countries to prevent arms from falling into the hands of terrorist groups etc.

http://www.undispatch.com/node/9553

TX.X-30 fan
05-20-2010, 10:54 AM
The end game of this regime is to get the guns, it won't happen but its on their radar.

captain planet
05-20-2010, 11:21 AM
Just saw this e-mail. True or not, I gotta throw it out there. I checked Snopes and couldn't find anything.

__________________________________________________ __________________________

While you were watching the oil spill, the New York failed terrorist bombing and other critical crises, Hillary Clinton signed the small arms treaty with the UN.

OBAMA FINDS LEGAL WAY AROUND THE 2ND AMENDMENT AND USES IT.
IF THIS PASSES, THERE COULD BE WAR

On Wednesday Obama Took the First Major Step in a Plan to Ban All Firearms in the United States

On Wednesday the Obama administration took its first major step in a plan to ban all firearms in the United States . The Obama administration intends to force gun control and a complete ban on all weapons for US citizens through the signing of international treaties with foreign nations. By signing international treaties on gun control, the Obama administration can use the US State Department to bypass the normal legislative process in Congress. Once the US Government signs these international treaties, all US citizens will be subject to those gun laws created by foreign governments. These are laws that have been developed and promoted by organizations such as the United Nations and individuals such as George Soros and Michael Bloomberg. The laws are designed and intended to lead to the complete ban and confiscation of all firearms. The Obama administration is attempting to use tactics and methods of gun control that will inflict major damage to our 2nd Amendment before US citizens even understand what has happened.

Obama can appear before the public and tell them that he does not intend to pursue any legislation (in the United States) that will lead to new gun control laws, while cloaked in secrecy, his Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton is committing the US to international treaties and foreign gun control laws. Does that mean Obama is telling the truth? What it means is that there will be no publicized gun control debates in the media or votes in Congress. We will wake up one morning and find that the United States has signed a treaty that prohibits firearm and ammunition manufacturers from selling to the public. We will wake up another morning and find that the US has signed a treaty that prohibits any transfer of firearm ownership. And then, we will wake up yet another morning and find that the US has signed a treaty that requires US citizens to deliver any firearm they own to the local government collection and destruction center or face imprisonment. This has happened in other countries, past and present!

THIS IS NOT A JOKE OR A FALSE WARNING.
As sure as government health care will be forced on us by the Obama administration through whatever means necessary, so will gun control. Read the Article U.S. reverses stance on treaty to regulate arms trade WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States reversed policy on Wednesday and said it would back launching talks on a treaty to regulate arms sales as long as the talks operated by consensus, a stance critics said gave every nation a veto. The decision, announced in a statement released by the U.S. State Department, overturns the position of former President George W. Bush's administration, which had opposed such a treaty on the grounds that national controls were better. View The Full Article Here

Click on the link below for further acknowledgement…..
http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE59E0Q920091015


Please forward this message to others who may be concerned about the direction in which our country is headed. This is a very serious matter! Silence will lead us to Socialism!!!


My brother sent me the same e-mail. If you read the attached Reuters article it would appear as Jorski pointed out it has nothing to do with gun ownership but rather the international sale of guns. The gun manufacturers have to love it because it is driving up gun and ammo sales.

And as TX pointed out they won't get our guns, but it is a far-fetched goal of thiers.

WOW, I agreed with BOTH TX and Jorski in the same response! Is the moon bleeding or something? "Dogs and cats living together, MASS HYSTERIA!" - Bill Murray

thatsmrmastercraft
05-20-2010, 01:25 PM
My brother sent me the same e-mail. If you read the attached Reuters article it would appear as Jorski pointed out it has nothing to do with gun ownership but rather the international sale of guns. The gun manufacturers have to love it because it is driving up gun and ammo sales.

And as TX pointed out they won't get our guns, but it is a far-fetched goal of thiers.

WOW, I agreed with BOTH TX and Jorski in the same response! Is the moon bleeding or something? "Dogs and cats living together, MASS HYSTERIA!" - Bill Murray

I checked my calender and it isn't April 1st, a full moon or Friday the 13th either.

Skipper
05-20-2010, 06:58 PM
Take away our guns in the name of world peace? There are more countries out there that live by the gun than don't. Just another example of this administration's attempt to totally destroy what was left of our nation. I'll keep my guns, you can keep the change.

madmuffin
05-21-2010, 04:50 AM
Oh so glad and fortunate to live in the USA!

Concerning times for our free country though...
The current Administration seems to do its best to circumvent the Consitution or re-interpret it in the courts with hand-picked "non"-justices. They seem to ignore the public who they are suppose to serve (where did all the public servants go?). Arrogant they are in their thinking, knowing what's best for the working man who can't think for himself and therefore is to be ignored and shutout of the legislative process. They cry out free speech and yet call you a biget if you aren't progressive (or subverted) in your thinking. They sure know where your wallet is though and don't even hesitate to rob the wealth of generations to come (not exclusive to this administration).

Regarding President Obama, I believe it's more about image in the world and the media than it is seeking America's best interests and security. There seems to be an unending line of celebrity appearances at the WH, dinners, etc. Shaking hands with the famous, smiling big and scripting every verse and phrase over the teleprompter.

Do you think our enemies are afraid of the Obama Administration? Say all you want about Pres. G.W. Bush but we had several years of security after 9/11 under his watch. Why? Because he brought out the big guns of the U.S. when our enemies mistakenly thought we were weak. The previous administration knew one vital truth about national sercurity and survival as a nation: if you're not willing to show strength and might and power when attacked and the fortitude to slap your enemy into the stone age so they're living in the caves of Pakistan, your enemies have little to fear and are enbolded by your complacency and weakness. Note that Obama just recently said that he wouldn't necessarily retaliate if America was attacked even with a nuke. So, is it just coincidence that we're starting to see all these terrorist attempts as of late on U.S. soil? Does it not seem like they are increasing with frequency with each passing day? What will happen when we reduce our nuclear arsenals down to nil to appease all the non-super, U.S.-hater countries of the world? The UN going to protect us? Yeah, right. That corrupt outfit which is a leach on American money, despises the U.S. and actively works against our principles and interests. I think terrorists are encouraged by the weakness we now show in the Oval. We can't stop them all and it only takes one. Yet, more concerned are we about being "green", celebrating Earth day, holding hands and singing "we are the world" instead of protecting our borders, our interests and our people. Not sure how much longer we'll be "the" Superpower in the world if we keep this up but President Obama seems to be embarrassed by thought of being one anyways.

A little good news and hope though. See all the incumbents going down in the primaries? Most of America is fed up with all the arrogance and foolishness in Washington. The recent "fixing" of healthcare behind closed doors woke up many an American. All of sudden we realized we didn't really have a voice in our government. Will we send enough incumbents packing to stop the slide into mediocrity? Guess we'll see.

So about the guns:
The day they show up take the guns, with whose army? The United States military? How many of our soldiers do you think don't have their own guns at home? The U.S. military isn't going to show up on my doorstep. The U.S. military is full of young men and women that grew up with their first gun wrapped under the Christmas tree. Better done with an army not answering to the American people I think. When an administration (like the one we have now) incorporates our military fully into an International body for "world progress" and to "set an example as a world leader" and shelves our Consitution for "world peace", that's the day a foreigner (or foreigner want-to-be) shows up on my doorstep for my gun.

There's getting to be a lot more "world this" and "world that" out there if you haven't noticed. Makes you wonder what other back room meetings are going on. I'm only 40 years old and it's not the America I grew up in. Still love America though and hope we still have enough true Americans out there with the backbone to stand up for this land, its people and their rights as citizens under the Constitution of the United States.

Guess that's why I like my Mastercraft - like bringing out the big guns! It'll probably be next on their list. Until then, ride on my friend!

JimN
05-21-2010, 09:21 AM
"The current Administration seems to do its best to circumvent the Consitution or re-interpret it in the courts with hand-picked "non"-justices."

And people called me paranoid before the election when I said I didn't like the fact that Obama was involved with Constitutional Law.

Re: the military going around to collect guns- have you noticed that there's no recent mention of Obama's Civilian Security Corp? You know the one, he wanted them to be funded "at least as well as our standing military".