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CantRepeat
04-18-2010, 12:31 PM
So I pick up 4 bags two 750s and two 450s for my 210.

I filled the 750s and put one in rear close to the side I want to surf on and then the other on that same side. I put one of the 450s in the ski locker and filled it about 3/4s full.


At about 9 mph I get this wake. Sorry for extremely crappy cell phone pics. Anyone have any recommendations? I'm not impressed at all with this so far. :mad: It doesn't look like it will be enough to free surf without the rope really.

mccobmd
04-18-2010, 10:42 PM
Hard to tell from the picture. Is you boat DD? If so you'll really have to get that weight lateral and back. Get a red woody surfboard. You can go without the rope on that wake. Also looks like you may be too fast. Notice on below how every thing is washed out but the sweet spot.

CantRepeat
04-19-2010, 03:16 AM
Yup, it's a DD and all but about 250 lbs was in the left rear of the boat as you look forward. It was suggested to put my fourth bag on the back seat and fill that also. It would put me pretty close to the boat weight limit I'm sure.

Can you surf at less then 9 MPH?

Justjoe
04-19-2010, 08:27 AM
You can build a wake on almost ANYTHING. I had a surfable wake with my 197, so keep working it. 9 seems REALLY slow to me though. I know that with the 197 and with the X2 I usually try to set in around 10.3.

With the 197 I was running a 750 across the back and a 450 side sack. No problems.

CantRepeat
04-19-2010, 09:03 AM
Well, I am going off of the pitot speedo so it's probably not that correct. Hopefully that photo is more like 15 if I'm lucky. I'll take my GPS out next weekend and mess with it some more.

CantRepeat
04-26-2010, 11:46 AM
Well, I got a better photo. The sad part is with about 1400 lbs, 1200 in the back left and 200 in the ski locker the wake is pretty bad for surfing. I'm sure my newness to wake surfing doesn't help but surf without the rope probably wont happen behind my boat.

This is some where between 9.7 and 10.2. Going any faster just lost the wake completely.

http://www.mikesell.net/size.jpg

EMS fltops
04-26-2010, 04:03 PM
we just added the fly high bow sack to our X2. We fill the centre tank as well as the rear side we wish to surf on. we also have 5 Gals cans we carry and add inside the boat. We adjust the speed between 8.8 and 9.4, depending on current and boat loading. The wake is of a nice size and solid. But if anyone has ideas, I'm open to try anything to get a larger box to surf in.

MidTexSkier
04-29-2010, 12:23 PM
Dude I have the same boat as you but a 91. I am still messing with the wake but the first time out with a 350 bag on the back seat, 350lb bag by the motor cover and a 200 in bow and a guy sitting in the back corner I had a wake about 2' taller than yours. It netted a 220lb guy rope off ( he knew how to ride) and a 250lb 1st timer almost rope off on a small Ride board.

Ubugme2
04-29-2010, 12:56 PM
It looks from the pic the boat is not rolled enough to the side. Ours sits at almost 30degrees. We run about 11.5 mph or less. It is also a huge help having a bag on the back seat in the cornner.

coz
04-29-2010, 01:26 PM
It is also a huge help having a bag on the back seat in the cornner.

Or people :D

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm258/cozaz/today010.jpg

DJnGA
04-29-2010, 03:48 PM
you might think i am crazy but mine does lots better when there are people in the front. pushes boat further in the water displacing more water = bigger wake. if you just weight the back it makes front just higher in the air.

mrprostar
04-29-2010, 03:54 PM
Or people :D

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm258/cozaz/today010.jpg

COZ- What other ballast do you run? What speed? What about for wakeboarding?

kkkeating
04-29-2010, 04:45 PM
It looks like your boat is too level and you need more weight on the port side. To get a good wake on our X9 the water is up to the gunwale when moving. What did you do with the other 450 lb fat sac?

CantRepeat
04-29-2010, 06:00 PM
It looks like your boat is too level and you need more weight on the port side. To get a good wake on our X9 the water is up to the gunwale when moving. What did you do with the other 450 lb fat sac?


I tried it half full up front but that didn't do anything to the wake. It did make more water splash over the windshield.

coz
04-29-2010, 06:10 PM
COZ- What other ballast do you run? What speed? What about for wakeboarding?

I have 3-150lb and 2-85lb launch pad blocks and everyone in the corner. I tried alot more weight but it seems with these narrow beam boats the more you weight them the bigger hump you create that isn't rideable without a rope. You can load the sheet out of some of these boats but they just werent made for a good surf wake.

DJnGA
04-29-2010, 11:32 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNdf0OOPHXg

CantRepeat
04-30-2010, 06:48 AM
After looking at some more videos, I'm wondering if I'm over wieghting the boat. I guess I should try one 450 and one 750 in the back left and see what that does.

MidTexSkier
04-30-2010, 09:15 AM
92Maristar__ Try putting that 750 as far back along side of the motor as you can and put that 450 on the back seat on that corner. Also try using 200 to 350 as well as no weight in the nose. Dont worry about your speed, I watch the wave size and shape more than the speed you may need to shorten up and ride closer to the boat. I will try and get some photos up of my wake and where i put my bags.

FoggyNogginz
04-30-2010, 06:21 PM
I have the X9 direct drive and if I weight the boat evenly then surfing is horrible, but if I put an 800lb bag in the back with a 400lb bag on the left of the boat then it is easy to throw the rope. You really do have to weigh down one side, and some folks even surf by driving in circles to increase wake on one side. We always surf at 10.5 MPH on perfect pass.

CantRepeat
04-30-2010, 06:29 PM
92Maristar__ Try putting that 750 as far back along side of the motor as you can and put that 450 on the back seat on that corner. Also try using 200 to 350 as well as no weight in the nose. Dont worry about your speed, I watch the wave size and shape more than the speed you may need to shorten up and ride closer to the boat. I will try and get some photos up of my wake and where i put my bags.

Um, I was under the impression that more weight on the side then the back was better, but I'll try anything at this point.

mccobmd
05-01-2010, 10:21 AM
The weight in the back and bottom (ski locker for us v-drive's) equals height of the wave, weight in the side and front equals length. Keep in mind that with the majority of the weight in the middle you will have to take it over to one side and back. Vdrive boats are already weighted to the back so we just have to take them to the side. For a DD the more along the side and rear the better.

MartinCaron
05-17-2010, 01:10 PM
you need :
1- More weight on the left side (not in the center). get the ski locker fat sac out.
2- More weight in the back. Bigger wheely = Much steeper and higher wake.

CantRepeat
05-17-2010, 01:41 PM
you need :
1- More weight on the left side (not in the center). get the ski locker fat sac out.
2- More weight in the back. Bigger wheely = Much steeper and higher wake.

Yeah, with nothing in the ski locker I am having better results.