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Double D
01-09-2010, 10:53 AM
I was sent this the other day and it was very disturbing. Not sure how real it is but with out history of complacency and our reactionary attitude, I dont want to be the American that my government didn't think could handle the truth. Worth the read so we "Never Forget" what could happen and what did happen. 911

Subject: Juval Aviv was the Israeli Agent

Juval Aviv was the Israeli Agent upon whom the movie ' Munich ' was based. He was Golda Meir's bodyguard -- she appointed him to track down and bring to justice the Palestinian terrorists who took the Israeli athletes hostage and killed them during the Munich Olympic Games.

In a lecture in New York City a few weeks ago, he shared information that EVERY American needs to know -- but that our government has not yet shared with us.

He predicted the London subway bombing on the Bill O'Reilly show on Fox News stating publicly that it would happen within a week. At the time, O'Reilly laughed and mocked him saying that in a week he wanted him
back on the show. But, unfortunately, within a week the terrorist attack had occurred.

Juval Aviv gave intelligence (via what he had gathered in Israel and the Middle East ) to the Bush Administration about 9/11 a month before it occurred. His report specifically said they would use planes as
bombs and target high profile buildings and monuments. Congress has since hired him as a security consultant.

Now for his future predictions. He predicts the next terrorist attack on the U.S. Will occur within the next few months.

Forget hijacking airplanes, because he says terrorists will NEVER try and hijack a plane again as they know the people onboard will never go down quietly again. Aviv believes our airport security is a joke -- that we have been reactionary rather than proactive in developing strategies that are truly effective.

For example:

1) Our airport technology is outdated. We look for metal, and the new explosives are made of plastic.

2) He talked about how some idiot tried to light his shoe on fire. Because of that, now everyone has to take off their shoes. A group of idiots tried to bring aboard liquid explosives.. Now we can't bring liquids on board. He says he's waiting for some suicidal maniac to pour liquid explosive on his underwear; at which point, security will have us all traveling naked! Every strategy we have is reactionary.

3) We only focus on security when people are heading to the gates.

Aviv says that if a terrorist attack targets airports in the future, they will target busy times on the front end of the airport when/where people are checking in. It would be easy for someone to take two suitcases of explosives, walk up to a busy check-in line, ask a person next to them to watch their bags for a minute while they run to the restroom or get a Drink, and then detonate the bags BEFORE security even gets involved.

In Israel , security checks bags BEFORE people can even ENTER the airport.

Aviv says the next terrorist attack here in America is imminent and will involve suicide bombers and non-suicide bombers in places where large groups of people congregate. (I. E., Disneyland, Las Vegas casinos, big cities ( New York , San Francisco , Chicago , etc...) and that it will also include shopping malls, subways in rush hour, train stations, etc., as well as rural America this time ( Wyoming , Montana , etc.).

The attack will be characterized by simultaneous detonations around the country (terrorists like big impact), involving at least 5-8 cities, including rural areas.

Aviv says terrorists won't need to use suicide bombers in many of the larger cities, because at places like the MGM Grand in Las Vegas, they can simply valet park a car loaded with explosives and walk away.

Aviv says all of the above is well known in intelligence circles, but that our U. S. Government does not want to 'alarm American citizens' with the facts. The world is quickly going to become 'a different place', and issues like 'global warming' and political correctness will become totally irrelevant.

On an encouraging note, he says that Americans don't have to be concerned about being nuked. Aviv says the terrorists who want to destroy America will not use sophisticated weapons. They like to use suicide as a front-line approach. It's cheap, it's easy, it's effective; and they have an infinite abundance of young militants more
than willing to 'meet their destiny'.

He also says the next level of terrorists, over which America should be most concerned, will not be coming from abroad. But will be, instead, 'homegrown' -- having attended and been educated in our own schools and universities right here in the U.. S. He says to look for 'students' who frequently travel back and forth to the Middle East . These young terrorists will be most dangerous because they will know our language and will fully understand the habits of Americans; but that we Americans won't know/understand a thing about them.

Aviv says that, as a people, Americans are unaware and uneducated about the terrorist threats we will, inevitably, face. America still has only have a handful of Arabic and Farsi speaking people in our intelligence networks, and Aviv says it is critical that we change that fact SOON.

So, what can America do to protect itself? From an intelligence perspective, Aviv says the U.S. needs to stop relying on satellites and technology for intelligence. We need to, instead, follow Israel 's,Ireland 's and England 's hands-on examples of human intelligence, both from an infiltration perspective as well as to trust 'aware' citizens to help. We need to engage and educate ourselves as citizens; however, our U. S. government continues to treat us, its citizens, 'like babies'. Our government thinks we 'can't handle the truth' and are
concerned that we'll panic if we understand the realities of terrorism. Aviv says this is a deadly mistake.

Aviv recently created/executed a security test for our Congress, by placing an empty briefcase in five well-traveled spots in five major cities. The results? Not one person called 911 or sought a policeman to check it out. In fact, in Chicago , someone tried to steal the briefcase!

In comparison, Aviv says that citizens of Israel are so well 'trained' that an unattended bag or package would be reported in seconds by citizen(s) who know to publicly shout, 'Unattended Bag!' The area would be quickly & calmly cleared by the citizens themselves. But, unfortunately, America hasn't been yet 'hurt enough' by terrorism for their government to fully understand the need to educate its citizens or for the government to understand that it's their citizens who are, inevitably, the best first-line of defense against terrorism.

Aviv also was concerned about the high number of children here in America who were in preschool and kindergarten after 9/11, who were 'lost' without parents being able to pick them up, and about our schools that had no plan in place to best care for the students until parents could get there. (In New York City , this was days, in some cases!)

He stresses the importance of having a plan, that's agreed upon within your family, to respond to in the event of a terrorist emergency. He urges parents to contact their children's schools and demand that the schools, too, develop plans of actions, as they do in Israel .

Does your family know what to do if you can't contact one another by phone? Where would you gather in an emergency? He says we should all have a plan that is easy enough for even our youngest children to
remember and follow..

Aviv says that the U. S. government has in force a plan that, in the event of another terrorist attack, will immediately cut-off EVERYONE's ability to use cell phones, blackberries, etc., as this is the preferred communication source used by terrorists and is often the way that their bombs are detonated...

How will you communicate with your loved ones in the event you cannot speak? You need to have a plan...

If you believe what you have just read, then you must feel compelled to send to every concerned parent or guardian, grandparents, uncles, aunts, whatever and whomever. Nothing will happen if you choose not to do so, but in the event it does happen, this particular email will haunt you....

AN ABSOLUTE MUST READ FOR EVERYONE!

bigmac
01-09-2010, 11:38 AM
The guy's claims about predicting terrorist attacks in the US are false, according to Snopes.com, and his credentials are suspect.

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/soapbox/juvalaviv.asp

JimN
01-09-2010, 11:47 AM
False, or not, some of this is absolutely true. We have "Aviv says the U.S. needs to stop relying on satellites and technology for intelligence. We need to, instead, follow Israel 's,Ireland 's and England 's hands-on examples of human intelligence, both from an infiltration perspective as well as to trust 'aware' citizens to help." thanks to Congress, in the mid-late '70s when Congress decided that the US shouldn't associate with the bad people who do all of those bad things.

Also, when the head of Homeland Security is so oblivious to the facts that she says "the system worked", government WON'T get it until it's far too late. I think it's time that we all kick the crap out of the PC crowd and stop worrying about whether profiling hurts peoples' feelings.

Double D
01-09-2010, 12:41 PM
Agreed JimN!! And, whether the entire story is true of false, it still brings up valid points.

False, or not, some of this is absolutely true. We have "Aviv says the U.S. needs to stop relying on satellites and technology for intelligence. We need to, instead, follow Israel 's,Ireland 's and England 's hands-on examples of human intelligence, both from an infiltration perspective as well as to trust 'aware' citizens to help." thanks to Congress, in the mid-late '70s when Congress decided that the US shouldn't associate with the bad people who do all of those bad things.

Also, when the head of Homeland Security is so oblivious to the facts that she says "the system worked", government WON'T get it until it's far too late. I think it's time that we all kick the crap out of the PC crowd and stop worrying about whether profiling hurts peoples' feelings.

JimN
01-09-2010, 12:58 PM
There's no way to overhear a whispered conversation by using a satellite in space, unless it's over some electronic medium.

FrankSchwab
01-09-2010, 03:30 PM
I want to hear every American stand up and say:

I am not afraid.

I do not want my government to take away more of my rights, more of my civil liberties, more of my money beating the drums of the "War on Terror", telling me that I should be afraid and let them protect me. Screw that.

I fly on a regular basis - if I go down on a plane, my opinion (http://www.planecrashinfo.com/cause.htm) is that it's most likely to be a mistake made by the pilot, a mechanical failure, hell even a flock of birds. Hijacking? The rules on that game changed on September 11, 2001; all someone can do now is try to blow the plane up; which is apparently not an easy thing to do. Taking over a plane and using it as a weapon is no longer likely a success oriented plan.

Why should we live in fear of the least likely way to die on an airplane?

Frankly, a president with guts (which George W. Bush didn't show, and Barack Obama hasn't shown) would stand up and say:
In a free society, we cannot stop a determined terrorist. Whether homegrown like Timothy McVeigh or foreign like the proxies sent by Osama Bin Laden, the fanatic will always be able to exploit our openness. Even in heavily surveilled police states like Soviet Russia, Nazi Germany, Communist China, Myanmar, terrorist acts occur.

We cannot allow ourselves to slide into a repressive police state in the mistaken sense that it will somehow make us safer.

I want every American to stand and say: "I am not afraid. To the terrorists of the world, I say that I will oppose you at every junction, but I will not let you destroy that which is the United States of America to do so."


But, the current political climate instead seems instead to be "We will protect you; give up those "inalienable rights" because they can be used by terrorists. Give up your freedom to travel, give up your privacy, because they can be used by terrorists. Give up your cameras, give up your right to know what your government is doing, because they can be used by terrorists".

I have no disagreement with the idea that our government is extraordinarily reactive to issues of terrorism. Someone tries to light their crotch on fire in their seat? So we react by telling people they have to stay in their seats for the last hour of flight? It's not as if the concept of someone trying to light a bomb in-flight was inconceivable prior to this event.

I wonder what the response is going to be when some terrorist shoves a pound of C-4 up his *ss prior to boarding the plane, and removes it and uses it in-flight. It's conceivable, It's going to happen. What restrictions are we willing to live with once it does?

Anyway, please resist those who tell you to be afraid, and who tell you that for their own personal aggrandizement. That includes most politicians (who seem to be born with a desire to wield power over others), as well as those radio and TV personalities who do so to whip up their own ratings.

Just my humble opinion.

/frank

JLeuck64
01-09-2010, 05:49 PM
[QUOTE=Double D;652602]I was sent this the other day and it was very disturbing. Not sure how real it is but with out history of complacency and our reactionary attitude, I dont want to be the American that my government didn't think could handle the truth. Worth the read so we "Never Forget" what could happen and what did happen. 911

I usually stay away from these off topic threads because, well just because...

This sounds exactly like the same kind of stuff I listen to at night on AM talk radio. Shows like Coast to Coast play the scare card all the time. It all helps me to fall asleep faster knowing I live in a free country and like Frank says, we are not afraid!

P.S. all those other countries are reacting too... they just had to before we did that's the only difference.

h2oskifreak
01-09-2010, 06:47 PM
At last an excuse to my girlfriend to stay at a cheap out of the way hotel and not the MGM or the Wynn while in Vegas. lol

Skipper
01-09-2010, 08:57 PM
I want to hear every American stand up and say:

I am not afraid.

I do not want my government to take away more of my rights, more of my civil liberties, more of my money beating the drums of the "War on Terror", telling me that I should be afraid and let them protect me. Screw that.

/frank

Really?

Unfortunately, there seems to me no shortage of people who, for whatever reason, dislike the United States of America so much that they are willing to indiscriminately kill women and children just to put a mark in the win column.

The sad truth is that the question is not "if" but "when" will it the next goof ball attack. They don't care about your rights and liberties, they just want to kill as many of us as possible.

Screw them!

JimN
01-09-2010, 09:11 PM
Really?

Unfortunately, there seems to me no shortage of people who, for whatever reason, dislike the United States of America so much that they are willing to indiscriminately kill women and children just to put a mark in the win column.

The sad truth is that the question is not "if" but "when" will it the next goof ball attack. They don't care about your rights and liberties, they just want to kill as many of us as possible.

Screw them!

Did you ever see the stats on how many people from countries that are hotbeds for terrorists, want to come here to live? Last I saw, it was over 1 billion.

They hate us but they want to be like us. Can't have it both ways. Poverty is a major cause of this- it's extremely easy to persuade poor people that their situation is the fault of someone specific and once this happens, or when religious extremism is involved, there's no end to what they'll do to satisfy their belief system.

I firmly believe that anyone who commits an act of terrorism shouldn't be allowed to live freely again. Somewhere, there must be an island where they can be dumped. Then, they can do whatever they want, with whatever is available. On another island, or maybe the same one, the violent sex offenders/pedophiles can be dumped.

captain planet
01-09-2010, 10:00 PM
I want to hear every American stand up and say:

I am not afraid.

I do not want my government to take away more of my rights, more of my civil liberties, more of my money beating the drums of the "War on Terror", telling me that I should be afraid and let them protect me. Screw that.
I fly on a regular basis - if I go down on a plane, my opinion (http://www.planecrashinfo.com/cause.htm) is that it's most likely to be a mistake made by the pilot, a mechanical failure, hell even a flock of birds. Hijacking? The rules on that game changed on September 11, 2001; all someone can do now is try to blow the plane up; which is apparently not an easy thing to do. Taking over a plane and using it as a weapon is no longer likely a success oriented plan.

Why should we live in fear of the least likely way to die on an airplane?

Frankly, a president with guts (which George W. Bush didn't show, and Barack Obama hasn't shown) would stand up and say:
In a free society, we cannot stop a determined terrorist. Whether homegrown like Timothy McVeigh or foreign like the proxies sent by Osama Bin Laden, the fanatic will always be able to exploit our openness. Even in heavily surveilled police states like Soviet Russia, Nazi Germany, Communist China, Myanmar, terrorist acts occur.

We cannot allow ourselves to slide into a repressive police state in the mistaken sense that it will somehow make us safer.

I want every American to stand and say: "I am not afraid. To the terrorists of the world, I say that I will oppose you at every junction, but I will not let you destroy that which is the United States of America to do so."


But, the current political climate instead seems instead to be "We will protect you; give up those "inalienable rights" because they can be used by terrorists. Give up your freedom to travel, give up your privacy, because they can be used by terrorists. Give up your cameras, give up your right to know what your government is doing, because they can be used by terrorists".

I have no disagreement with the idea that our government is extraordinarily reactive to issues of terrorism. Someone tries to light their crotch on fire in their seat? So we react by telling people they have to stay in their seats for the last hour of flight? It's not as if the concept of someone trying to light a bomb in-flight was inconceivable prior to this event.

I wonder what the response is going to be when some terrorist shoves a pound of C-4 up his *ss prior to boarding the plane, and removes it and uses it in-flight. It's conceivable, It's going to happen. What restrictions are we willing to live with once it does?

Anyway, please resist those who tell you to be afraid, and who tell you that for their own personal aggrandizement. That includes most politicians (who seem to be born with a desire to wield power over others), as well as those radio and TV personalities who do so to whip up their own ratings.

Just my humble opinion.

/frank

Here here! I'm with ya. The sooner we get out of over there the less we have to worry about. But just like other campaign promises, our current leader has lied to us. Thanks for nothing barack! I guess the Builderberg Group is more important to you than the American people.

In the mean time Double D, we live in Massillon so...really do we have anything to worry about? The biggest thing that happens in this town is a high school football game. This might be the only good thing about living in Massillon.

FrankSchwab
01-09-2010, 10:36 PM
Really?

Unfortunately, there seems to me no shortage of people who, for whatever reason, dislike the United States of America so much that they are willing to indiscriminately kill women and children just to put a mark in the win column.

The sad truth is that the question is not "if" but "when" will it the next goof ball attack. They don't care about your rights and liberties, they just want to kill as many of us as possible.

Screw them!

I don't disagree with you one iota. Screw them. The United States has a brash, aggressive, open, liberal (not in the sense of Democrat liberal vs. Republican conservative) culture that spreads throughout the world. The United States is the worlds strongest Military power, and the worlds strongest Economic power, and has been known to use both freely to its benefit and not necessarily to the benefit of other countries/cultures in the world. The rise of the Religious Right over the last twenty years has given the United States the aura of being a Christian Power; the willingness to use military and economic force can be seen as force being applied to further the Christian religion.

These characteristics of the United States drive envy in some, and hate in others.

There will always be those who will hate the United States for all these reasons. Some of them will hate enough to attempt violence against the United States. We should be vigilant against them, we should actively fight against them when necessary. We should not destroy who we are to try to prevent every attack they could conceivably come up with.

If I die before my time, it's far more likely to be due to the extra weight I carry around my middle (heart attack/stroke/diabetes), the fact that I drive 60 miles a day while talking on my cellphone (auto accident, road rage), the fact that I enjoy boating (drowning, boat accident, lightning), the fact that I've disabled the safety devices on most of the power tools in the garage (shock, blood loss), perhaps even due to a return to the hang gliding of my youth (Gravity). The likelihood of dying from a terrorist attack is essentially zero for me.

How much freedom, dignity, and liberty are you willing to give away every single day to try to prevent the next "goof ball" attack?


/frank

JimN
01-09-2010, 11:46 PM
Here here! I'm with ya. The sooner we get out of over there the less we have to worry about. But just like other campaign promises, our current leader has lied to us. Thanks for nothing barack! I guess the Builderberg Group is more important to you than the American people.

In the mean time Double D, we live in Massillon so...really do we have anything to worry about? The biggest thing that happens in this town is a high school football game. This might be the only good thing about living in Massillon.

I don't remember militant Muslims exactly leaving us alone before 9-11 and us taking Hussein out, so the only real difference is that we have people over there and they make a much more convenient target for them. I'm not sure they care which Americans they kill, I think they just want to take out as many as they can and it doesn't matter to them if it takes until the end of time. Obama cares nothing for Americans and he seems a bit disgusted by many of the people he meets.

JimN
01-09-2010, 11:53 PM
I don't disagree with you one iota. Screw them. The United States has a brash, aggressive, open, liberal (not in the sense of Democrat liberal vs. Republican conservative) culture that spreads throughout the world. The United States is the worlds strongest Military power, and the worlds strongest Economic power, and has been known to use both freely to its benefit and not necessarily to the benefit of other countries/cultures in the world. The rise of the Religious Right over the last twenty years has given the United States the aura of being a Christian Power; the willingness to use military and economic force can be seen as force being applied to further the Christian religion.

These characteristics of the United States drive envy in some, and hate in others.

There will always be those who will hate the United States for all these reasons. Some of them will hate enough to attempt violence against the United States. We should be vigilant against them, we should actively fight against them when necessary. We should not destroy who we are to try to prevent every attack they could conceivably come up with.

If I die before my time, it's far more likely to be due to the extra weight I carry around my middle (heart attack/stroke/diabetes), the fact that I drive 60 miles a day while talking on my cellphone (auto accident, road rage), the fact that I enjoy boating (drowning, boat accident, lightning), the fact that I've disabled the safety devices on most of the power tools in the garage (shock, blood loss), perhaps even due to a return to the hang gliding of my youth (Gravity). The likelihood of dying from a terrorist attack is essentially zero for me.

How much freedom, dignity, and liberty are you willing to give away every single day to try to prevent the next "goof ball" attack?


/frank

I'm not sure I consider a check for weapons before a flight a major inconvenience. I wouldn't carry onto a plane, I wouldn't try to hijack a flight and I wouldn't try to hurt a passenger, anyway. Well, I wouldn't hurt a passenger unless they were trying something stupid and at that point, you all may read about me because I'm not sure I'd know exactly when to stop. Not that I'm a real badass but I guarantee I'll be one PO'd dog if I see something like that near me. As far as losing other rights, if they start monitoring my electronic communications, search my house, vehicle, ask a lot of questions about me and try to make it impossible for me to protect myself, limit my ability to travel or speak freely, I will not be a happy camper. At that point, we can herd anyone who has ties to anything or anyone remotely militant Muslim and plow them into the oceans.

captain planet
01-09-2010, 11:55 PM
I don't remember militant Muslims exactly leaving us alone before 9-11 and us taking Hussein out, so the only real difference is that we have people over there and they make a much more convenient target for them. I'm not sure they care which Americans they kill, I think they just want to take out as many as they can and it doesn't matter to them if it takes until the end of time. Obama cares nothing for Americans and he seems a bit disgusted by many of the people he meets.

We have been sticking our noses over there long before 911, so yea, your right. The fact that we are over there the way we are now is just a recruiting tool for them to get people to join them and do whatever they can to get at us.....there or here.

captain planet
01-09-2010, 11:57 PM
I'm not sure I consider a check for weapons before a flight a major inconvenience. I wouldn't carry onto a plane, I wouldn't try to hijack a flight and I wouldn't try to hurt a passenger, anyway. Well, I wouldn't hurt a passenger unless they were trying something stupid and at that point, you all may read about me because I'm not sure I'd know exactly when to stop. Not that I'm a real badass but I guarantee I'll be one PO'd dog if I see something like that near me. As far as losing other rights, if they start monitoring my electronic communications, search my house, vehicle, ask a lot of questions about me and try to make it impossible for me to protect myself, limit my ability to travel or speak freely, I will not be a happy camper. At that point, we can herd anyone who has ties to anything or anyone remotely militant Muslim and plow them into the oceans.


They already are!

JimN
01-10-2010, 02:05 AM
We have been sticking our noses over there long before 911, so yea, your right. The fact that we are over there the way we are now is just a recruiting tool for them to get people to join them and do whatever they can to get at us.....there or here.

I know we have been there for quite a while but we weren't the ones who carved up that region after WWI and WWII- that was the British and French, because the Middle East was part of their empires. We just helped to rid the world of the Nazi threat, took in many of the people the rest of the world wanted to eradicate and for this, we get crapped on by just about everyone. We do have our problems with being incredibly arrogant, but many countries and people are at least as arrogant as the US, only they didn't do as much to help others or develop as many technologies.

JimN
01-10-2010, 02:07 AM
They already are!

Are they? You know that, as fact? Some of the things I have written in the last 10 years wouldn't make many in Washington very happy but I haven't had any late night visits.

FrankSchwab
01-10-2010, 02:24 AM
Yes. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSA_warrantless_surveillance_controversy)

Sadly, this is what the War on Terror has brought. On top of the abuses that 30 years of the War on Drugs have wrought, we get these two.

I don't know that we can survive another War.

/frank

bigmac
01-10-2010, 09:22 AM
Are they? You know that, as fact? Some of the things I have written in the last 10 years wouldn't make many in Washington very happy but I haven't had any late night visits.

Start writing about a plot to blow up the capital, or killing the president. Repeatedly surf websites about bomb-making or acquisition of, say, anthrax cultures. Send some emails to Sheikh Anwar al-Awlaki. The NSA will open a file on you. Whether or not you get a late night visit from a team of black-clad people delivered from a black unmarked helicopter depends on their investigation and their determination as to whether you're just another unhappy citizen, or someone who has the means and the will to actually carry out that plot.

bbymgr
01-10-2010, 11:07 AM
This thread is very humorous. People with no experience in Intelligence, trying to discuss Intelligence, without Intelligence. I once had a CO tell me something that I have never forgotten. "Even the people in the know......don't know."

bigmac
01-10-2010, 11:25 AM
This thread is very humorous. People with no experience in Intelligence, trying to discuss Intelligence, without Intelligence. I once had a CO tell me something that I have never forgotten. "Even the people in the know......don't know."

I suspect you're right about our intelligence community. They have shown over and over and over that they "don't know". The scary part is that it's also possible that they do know, but just forgot to tell anyone.

Key word email scanning, cell phone, and satellite network monitoring by the NSA has been going on for years and has been well-documented by both paranoid kooks and the conservative and liberal media. The fact of it has even been acknowledged by the NSA, although we only have their word as to the extent. It's been a recurring topic of discussion in congress, especially since 2007.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/17/us/17nsa.html?pagewanted=all

Skipper
01-10-2010, 12:04 PM
Arrogant people in our country feel that their government should have no right to invade their privacy in any manner yet they demand to be kept safe from all threats. They cannot stand the police but will quickly call the police to report that other people are speeding on their street. They hate the military but reap countless rewards of freedom and safety from the sacrifices of the military. They expect that they should be free to move about any place they wish without being challenged in any manner but still expect to be kept safe. They consider our efforts to control the illegal drug problem as a fraud and an attempt to scare them. They do not see the countless violent and property crimes committed by those involved with illegal drugs. They find it offensive that our country would try to keep people from illegally crossing its borders. They have no regard for the economic and criminal effects of illegals.

I am sure you all can think of other examples. Arrogant, unaware, and happy to be that way. So to the question of what civil liberties would I give up at the airport to stay safe? I would welcome the same methods used in Israel. Because they have proven their success.

Remember the old Airplane movie? An old grandmother gets rousted by security while a handful of Islamic terrorists carrying guns and explosives laugh as they pass by unhindered? Satire is based on reality. If you call it profiling or common sense, I am in favor of it.

JimN
01-10-2010, 01:15 PM
Start writing about a plot to blow up the capital, or killing the president. Repeatedly surf websites about bomb-making or acquisition of, say, anthrax cultures. Send some emails to Sheikh Anwar al-Awlaki. The NSA will open a file on you. Whether or not you get a late night visit from a team of black-clad people delivered from a black unmarked helicopter depends on their investigation and their determination as to whether you're just another unhappy citizen, or someone who has the means and the will to actually carry out that plot.

If I ever contact someone outside of the US with comments about these things, it's because I have somehow become a completely different person. If someone were to tell them that I'm involved in something of this nature and the NSA checked into me, they'd just say "Yeah, right!". I have friends with fairly high NSA clearance as it is and no criminal record, no friends who would trigger any concern and other than some of the people here, I doubt they would see any associations that could be a smudge on my reputation.:D

JimN
01-10-2010, 01:21 PM
This thread is very humorous. People with no experience in Intelligence, trying to discuss Intelligence, without Intelligence. I once had a CO tell me something that I have never forgotten. "Even the people in the know......don't know."

People at a famous residence hall at UC-Berkley had a saying- 'Onngh-Yanngh', which was often translated to 'Those who tell, don't know and those who know, don't tell'.

The situation is both better and worse than we know.

bigmac
01-10-2010, 01:26 PM
If I ever contact someone outside of the US with comments about these things, it's because I have somehow become a completely different person. If someone were to tell them that I'm involved in something of this nature and the NSA checked into me, they'd just say "Yeah, right!". I have friends with fairly high NSA clearance as it is and no criminal record, no friends who would trigger any concern and other than some of the people here, I doubt they would see any associations that could be a smudge on my reputation.:D
Yeh, neither the NSA nor I are particularly worried about you.

bbymgr
01-10-2010, 04:38 PM
Yeh, neither the NSA nor I are particularly worried about you.

I'm not so easily convinced.:rolleyes: They might start profiling MC owners. From my experience on TT, MC owners are generaly mechanicaly inclined, have fabrication skills and a high IQ. :D

glassmaster
01-10-2010, 05:16 PM
Oh Boy here we go....

I think that if someone truly thinks that everything that is happening now is just by chance and our Government is going to take care of us is very ignorant. It is all about control and an agenda.
Every bit of what is going on was planned a long time ago.
What is happening in today’s time is a result of greed and power and it is no different than what has been going on for centuries. Also if anyone thinks that there is a difference between Democrats and Republicans and that one party is better than the other or that ANY President is going to make everything right is a fool. That is exactly what they want you to think!
This country is in for some serious hard times.
Stop listening to the crap they are telling you on CNN, Fox, etc and do some research on you own. Any one with half a brain knows that the Government is slowly taking over everything like banks the auto industry etc and already controls the media for what? What do you think, control.
Let’s also not forget the Government’s Biggest Ally The Federal Reserve or better known as the WORLD bank.
Who do you think runs the Federal Reserve? You think it may be the richest most powerful people on the planet, I think so. They are the ones pulling the strings they decide how the world runs financially, not our government or any other. Remember wealth is power. Ever heard “money makes the world go round”? Our Government has just been playing their part with the Fed and uses our military as a trump card.
Let me ask you this. When is the best time to buy or control something? When it is worth the most, or in the least amount of distress? Of course not, that is when you sell something. A smart one buys something for pennies on the dollar and when it is in distress or someone is desperate.
That is exactly what is happening to our country they are giving our citizens enough rope to hang ourselves financially so we will be dependent on the Government to “BAIL” them out. Then they have you where they want you, under their control.
The Federal Reserve along with our Government is the biggest form of organized crime there has ever been.

There is plenty of proof out there.
Here is a couple of things to “Google” off the top of my head;

The Bush Family Tree (there is plenty of info on this Nazi based Family)
Prison camps in America (There is plenty of video out there. What’s your explanation?)
AlexJones.com (Want to know how our Government aided in 911? He has many documentaries that will open your eyes and gives you the facts)
Depleted uranium (Do you know our military used biological weapons (dirty bombs) in the Middle East and our troops are suffering for it. Our Military used depleted uranium in most if not all of the artillery used there instead of lead)

http://www.holisticmed.com/fluoride/ (Look on the back of any toothpaste tube and what does it say? “If ingested, call poison control immediately.” Why is fluoride deliberately put in our water supplies and not taken out? For your teeth? Uh, I don't think so.)

Lindsey Williams (He is your source for information on the so called oil crises from the 70s to present day)
Agenda 21 (This is their plan that is being carried out right before our eyes.)


These are just a few examples. Believe me there is a ton more info out there you just have to look and you will find it.

If the Government truly wanted to take care of our country, things would be drastically different. We have everything we need in this country to self sustain and take care of our needs. We don’t need anything that another country has. The reason our Government doesn’t want this is their deals they have made with the Federal Reserve and the people that control it.
As Far as the “Terrorists” go, our Government considers anyone that goes against what they have planned a terrorist. Remember what Bush said “If you are not with us than you are with them” This means that if you do not like what the Government is doing to so called protect you than you are labeled as an enemy. Also as far as the home grown terrorist go I completely believe that it is true. Don’t think for one minute that our Government does not know this. In fact I believe that they will allow another attack to happen just like they did in Pearl Harbor and 911 so that they can tighten their control over the American people and take our rights away.
I think they act like an arsonist (for example) that lights a house on fire, is the cause of the problem to begin with , leaves the scene quickly and then shows up to try to put it out and act like a good Samaritan.
Don’t think so, what’s your explanation?

As far as the Cell phone thing where they can cut off all communication in the country I completely believe this as well. You may ask, “How will the Government communicate with each other then”? Do you recall the switch from analog to digital for Television last year? Where they said analog systems are going to be phased out because digital is much better. They forced the country to switch to digital so they can control the entire analog network. When was the last time you used an analog cell phone? They are not used anymore, Why? Did the entire analog network in this country get removed? Not quite, they just have a different plan in mind for it. What is your explanation for this? Makes you say hmmmmm why is that?

After all of the lies our elected officials including presidents have told and their criminal behavior over the years that I have witnessed in my life. How can I or anyone else seriously believe that these people are out to uphold our best interest at heart?
I think that anyone that thinks that our elected officials or Government is tying to protect us or is going to take care of us is seriously delusional and has lost touch with all reality. Every one has heard this before; “Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me” Oh how true.
I agree that not all elected officials are bad or crooks. I just believe that they are severely out numbered.

My advice would be to not get caught up in all of the rumors and hearsay, do some research for yourself if you choose and look at the big picture. I got all caught up in this kind of thing towards the last few months of 07’ and it scared the crap out of me only because it hit me at that point how insanely ruthless the leaders and powerful people are in this world. Take it for what it is worth no Government organization or country has ruled and reigned forever. They have all been overturned and concurred in history one after another. I think that someone would be pretty naive to think the U.S will not follow suit at sometime or another.
Please hear me clearly I do love my country and would never want anything bad to happen. I have been in several other countries in my life and in my opinion we are living in the best one in the world. It is just a terrible shame that things are happening like they are and us, the little guys, suffer for it.

This is why I am not afraid;
The big picture is this; None of what is going on today is in your or my control - that is a fact.
Let’s all not forget who is really in control of everything and that is Jesus Christ.
Fortunately for us we were given an instruction book called the Bible. In it you will find all the answers you could possibly need to deal with anything.
You are going to die one day and all of this that is going on today will be but a vapor that passes away. The fact is that you are not guaranteed another breath. Your body will die but your spirit will live for eternity in 1 of 2 places.
The question is which place will you be, heaven or hell? The choice is yours and no one else’s, hence the term “free will”. You and only you are responsible for your decisions.
But make no mistake there is only one way to get to heaven and that is you must believe and trust that Jesus died to pay your sin debt.
If this seems unfamiliar to you or unbelievable I understand. I used to think the same thing until I found the truth. Just like I stated above if you do the research you will find the answers you are looking for.

I close with this,
It is written “Ask and it shall be given to you, seek and you shall find, knock and it shall be opened unto you” Matthew 7:7

The choice is yours do you really want to know the truth? Because it will set you free from bondage and worry. It’s your decision not mine.

The truth is closer than you think,
May God Bless you, your family and the U.S.A.


THIS IS A MUST READ FOR EVERYONE!

JimN
01-10-2010, 05:57 PM
As far as the Cell phone thing where they can cut off all communication in the country I completely believe this as well. You may ask, “How will the Government communicate with each other then”? Do you recall the switch from analog to digital for Television last year? Where they said analog systems are going to be phased out because digital is much better. They forced the country to switch to digital so they can control the entire analog network. When was the last time you used an analog cell phone? They are not used anymore, Why? Did the entire analog network in this country get removed? Not quite, they just have a different plan in mind for it. What is your explanation for this? Makes you say hmmmmm why is that?

For anyone interested, Conspiracy Theory with Jesse Ventura is on and they're discussing all of this, along with the Bilderburg Group.

As far as the cellphone system, it has always been part of the system to enable disabling civilian use during an emergency, with only governmental departments as the only authorized users and this is part of the setup procedure or is programmed into the hardware. The digital switch came because they can sell more channels but if someone has analog transmitting equipment, their signal can be received as long as someone out there has analog receiving equipment. It's not as if they eliminated analog radio waves and the physical laws that govern them. Also, digital transmission does use different equipment from analog. The towers wouldn't work for both AFAIK, as they did before the transition, but I can check into this by checking with someone I worked with (he's a SR engineer at AT&T now). Another reason digital cell phones are good is that analog phones can be monitored using a ham or CB radio, so the security is better.

At this point, it would seem that having a CB isn't a bad idea, if things really go bad and our normal communication channels are no longer available. The show I mentioned has several people talking about when Martial Law will be enforced, not if.

glassmaster
01-10-2010, 06:19 PM
[QUOTE=JimN;652796]For anyone interested, Conspiracy Theory with Jesse Ventura is on and they're discussing all of this, along with the Bilderburg Group.

As far as the cellphone system, it has always been part of the system to enable disabling civilian use during an emergency, with only governmental departments as the only authorized users and this is part of the setup procedure or is programmed into the hardware. The digital switch came because they can sell more channels but if someone has analog transmitting equipment, their signal can be received as long as someone out there has analog receiving equipment. It's not as if they eliminated analog radio waves and the physical laws that govern them. Also, digital transmission does use different equipment from analog. The towers wouldn't work for both AFAIK, as they did before the transition, but I can check into this by checking with someone I worked with (he's a SR engineer at AT&T now). Another reason digital cell phones are good is that analog phones can be monitored using a ham or CB radio, so the security is better.

At this point, it would seem that having a CB isn't a bad idea, if things really go bad and our normal communication channels are no longer available. The show I mentioned has several people talking about when Martial Law will be enforced, not if.[/QUOTE

CB is what I had in mind. That would be nice to know about the analog/digital thing from another source other than what I have heard. Sure doesn't look promising about Marshall Law. Its is a shame all of this is going on. If I was told any of this would happen 10 years ago I would have not believed it. But I sure am glad I am in Good Hands.

Skipper
01-10-2010, 06:22 PM
Oh Boy here we go....THIS IS A MUST READ FOR EVERYONE!

Absolute nonsense! Bush is a Nazi? No wonder he is so short. Depleted Uranium is not a biological weapon, it is a metal that cuts through armor. I suppose we didn't actually land on the moon. Better start digging your bomb shelter and stocking it with plenty of supplies. Oh, and keep a room open for Jessie Ventura.

glassmaster
01-10-2010, 07:10 PM
Absolute nonsense! Bush is a Nazi? No wonder he is so short. Depleted Uranium is not a biological weapon, it is a metal that cuts through armor. I suppose we didn't actually land on the moon. Better start digging your bomb shelter and stocking it with plenty of supplies. Oh, and keep a room open for Jessie Ventura.

Google "Bush family" or anything of that nature, smart one. Its Documented he was in a Nazi group at yale so was his dad George Sr and his grandfather was heavaly involved on the German side during WW2. Yea He's not going to put on a Hitler suit and parade it around. I guess that was just a college thing and now he is all better.
You are correct, Depleted Uranium is not a biological weapon When writing that I meant to take the words "Biological weapons". When D.U. explodes or goes through armor it gives off large amounts of radiation our troops were and still are exposed to.
As far as the Biological stuff there is video of soldiers finding 55 gal drums of biological material with our US stamps on them How did that get there? Then instead of removing them safely they were ordered to blow up the bunker containing the bio stuff. Wonder where all that stuff went? It did not just vaporize.
I had intentions finding that link to the bio stuff and forgot to take the 2 words out in front of (dirty bombs).
We did land on the moon.
BTW a bomb shelter ain't going to do me you or anyone any good.
I think Jessie is one of the good guys that is not so quick to swallow our Goverment's crap and fortunately he is in a position to to get the word out to not so in the know people like yourself.

JimN
01-10-2010, 07:12 PM
[QUOTE=JimN;652796]For anyone interested, Conspiracy Theory with Jesse Ventura is on and they're discussing all of this, along with the Bilderburg Group.

As far as the cellphone system, it has always been part of the system to enable disabling civilian use during an emergency, with only governmental departments as the only authorized users and this is part of the setup procedure or is programmed into the hardware. The digital switch came because they can sell more channels but if someone has analog transmitting equipment, their signal can be received as long as someone out there has analog receiving equipment. It's not as if they eliminated analog radio waves and the physical laws that govern them. Also, digital transmission does use different equipment from analog. The towers wouldn't work for both AFAIK, as they did before the transition, but I can check into this by checking with someone I worked with (he's a SR engineer at AT&T now). Another reason digital cell phones are good is that analog phones can be monitored using a ham or CB radio, so the security is better.

At this point, it would seem that having a CB isn't a bad idea, if things really go bad and our normal communication channels are no longer available. The show I mentioned has several people talking about when Martial Law will be enforced, not if.[/QUOTE

CB is what I had in mind. That would be nice to know about the analog/digital thing from another source other than what I have heard. Sure doesn't look promising about Marshall Law. Its is a shame all of this is going on. If I was told any of this would happen 10 years ago I would have not believed it. But I sure am glad I am in Good Hands.

I worked at a car stereo shop and we sold/installed/programmed Ameritech phones and in the setup, there was a part with two options- one for civilian and one for government. They had hired someone from one of the largest cell phone dealers in town and he was already up to speed on the technology, which I went for training on. He and the other guy I mentioned in my last post both went to work for Ameritech in the system engineering area, where Dave still works as a Sr Engineer.

The problem with all of this is that if it hits the fan, I think any radio communication will be a moot point because they can easily block or intercept any transmission. It's time to learn Morse Code and use some kind of reflector, IMO. Also, if we degrade to constant civil unrest and major violence, the Bildergurg plan of de-population will be a policy of step back and wait, so it can happen on its own.

I think it's time to stock up on some supplies. #1 is a really good water filter.

glassmaster
01-10-2010, 07:17 PM
[QUOTE=glassmaster;652801]

I worked at a car stereo shop and we sold/installed/programmed Ameritech phones and in the setup, there was a part with two options- one for civilian and one for government. They had hired someone from one of the largest cell phone dealers in town and he was already up to speed on the technology, which I went for training on. He and the other guy I mentioned in my last post both went to work for Ameritech in the system engineering area, where Dave still works as a Sr Engineer.

The problem with all of this is that if it hits the fan, I think any radio communication will be a moot point because they can easily block or intercept any transmission. It's time to learn Morse Code and use some kind of reflector, IMO. Also, if we degrade to constant civil unrest and major violence, the Bildergurg plan of de-population will be a policy of step back and wait, so it can happen on its own.

I think it's time to stock up on some supplies. #1 is a really good water filter.

I couldn't agree more JimN its gonna get nasty the question is when.

JimN
01-10-2010, 07:19 PM
Google "Bush family" or anything of that nature, smart one. Its Documented he was in a Nazi group at yale so was his dad George Sr and his grandfather was heavaly involved on the German side during WW2. Yea He's not going to put on a Hitler suit and parade it around. I guess that was just a college thing and now he is all better.
You are correct, Depleted Uranium is not a biological weapon When writing that I meant to take the words "Biological weapons". When D.U. explodes or goes through armor it gives off large amounts of radiation our troops were and still are exposed to.
As far as the Biological stuff there is video of soldiers finding 55 gal drums of biological material with our US stamps on them How did that get there? Then instead of removing them safely they were ordered to blow up the bunker containing the bio stuff. Wonder where all that stuff went? It did not just vaporize.
I had intentions finding that link to the bio stuff and forgot to take the 2 words out in front of (dirty bombs).
We did land on the moon.
BTW a bomb shelter ain't going to do me you or anyone any good.
I think Jessie is one of the good guys that is not so quick to swallow our Goverment's crap and fortunately he is in a position to to get the word out to not so in the know people like yourself.

Uranium is a radiological hazard- biologicals usually have some kind of organism or chemical as the basis. Depleted Uranium is incredibly hard and dense, which is why it's used for projectiles and in some types of armor. When it hits something or is hit, it throws off fine particles, which can be inhaled/ingested and since it's still radioactive, it poses a threat.

Maybe 2012 really is the end.

People suck.

glassmaster
01-10-2010, 07:31 PM
Uranium is a radiological hazard- biologicals usually have some kind of organism or chemical as the basis. Depleted Uranium is incredibly hard and dense, which is why it's used for projectiles and in some types of armor. When it hits something or is hit, it throws off fine particles, which can be inhaled/ingested and since it's still radioactive, it poses a threat.

Maybe 2012 really is the end.

People suck.

I meant to take out the words Biological Weapons out before (dirty bombs) my mistake.
That was intended for another line with a link showing the video I mentioned.
Like I said it has been a over 2 years since I was doing all the digging.

Your guess is as good as mine. This whole thing has been a very gradual process.

Not all people suck just the bad ones.

Jorski
01-10-2010, 08:57 PM
For the record...Jesse Ventura is an idiot. His show is a complete fabrication.

Skipper
01-10-2010, 09:21 PM
For the record...Jesse Ventura is an idiot. His show is a complete fabrication.

Thought it would never happen....but I agree 100% with Jorski!

captain planet
01-10-2010, 09:24 PM
Jorski, all you have to do is look at my signature to see how I feel about Jesse Ventura. His show is a bit disappointing in format only. The information is being passed along and that is what is important.

bbymgr
01-10-2010, 09:24 PM
Thought it would never happen....but I agree 100% with Jorski!

I liked him in Predator, but, he is definitely an idiot.

glassmaster
01-10-2010, 09:56 PM
For the record...Jesse Ventura is an idiot. His show is a complete fabrication.

I don't know much about Jesse other than he was a wrestler back in the day and I have not seen his show. Idiot or not he was elected as Governor by a whole lot of voting people that thought he was a better pick than what they had to choose from. That in itself is pretty sad. So who are the real idiots the people that voted for him or the man himself.
Not to many idiots out there become multi millionaires and Governors uless they have a lot of help. Especially politicians which from what I understand he is not.
Not taking sides just sayin.

All that aside, how do you explain everything you hear about?

bigmac
01-10-2010, 10:04 PM
Google "Bush family" or anything of that nature, smart one. Its Documented he was in a Nazi group at yale so was his dad George Sr and his grandfather was heavaly involved on the German side during WW2. Yea He's not going to put on a Hitler suit and parade it around. I guess that was just a college thing and now he is all better.

This is the biggest load of horse**** I've seen posted here.


I think Jessie is one of the good guys that is not so quick to swallow our Goverment's crap and fortunately he is in a position to to get the word out to not so in the know people like yourself.

Jesse is an idiot, but not so much of one that he doesn't know a lucrative TV gig when it's offered to him.

bbymgr
01-10-2010, 10:19 PM
[QUOTE=bigmac;652862]This is the biggest load of horse**** I've seen posted here.



I heard that George W. was the man on the grassy knoll and that Barbara caused the Chernobyl disaster when she discarded her empty lipstick tube into the reactor.:rolleyes:

Jorski
01-10-2010, 10:35 PM
Jorski, all you have to do is look at my signature to see how I feel about Jesse Ventura. His show is a bit disappointing in format only. The information is being passed along and that is what is important.

The umm, "information" is what should disappoint you. In his piece on climate change, he uses a disguised "scientist" who is supposed to be fearing for his life because of his stance on climate change. You know, because of the vast conspiracy?

That person, is easily recognisable as Tim Ball, a well known climate change skeptic, who not only doesn't live in hiding, he spends an impressive amount of time trying to get press for himself. Funny, Jesse says, "Follow the money", yet fails to point out that the secret scientist has been funded extensively by big oil. He also fails to admit that our hero was caught lying about his credentials...better to hide his identity, you know, to avoid scrutiny.

Further, one of Jesse The Body's crack investigative staff is shown on a ferry (on her way to interview this wayward saviour of science) and she describes that she is getting really nervous and that she will soon lose cell phone coverage as she is so ar from civilization.

Turns out though, if you have ever been to Victoria, British Columbia (where our elusive scientist lives - in plain view) you would recognize the Gulf Islands that she is cruising by...average home price there is about three million dollars. Not remote, or hidden from the world in any way, just a very short ferry ride from Vancouver. Certainly not a trip to the end of the earth as implied.

Anyhow, I stand on my opinion of Jesse the body...on the information, not the presentation.

JimN
01-10-2010, 10:38 PM
For the record...Jesse Ventura is an idiot. His show is a complete fabrication.

And he's not the first to bring up the Bilderburg Group or any of the theories about how some in power want a New World Order. It's show business, and while I didn't comment on how poorly it was presented, I'm sure it will have new believers.

Jorski
01-10-2010, 10:41 PM
Oh, his show is smart, in the sense that there has always been an audience for this kind of stuff...just don't go looking to learn anything that's true or real from him.

glassmaster
01-10-2010, 10:42 PM
[QUOTE=bigmac;652862]This is the biggest load of horse**** I've seen posted here.



I heard that George W. was the man on the grassy knoll and that Barbara caused the Chernobyl disaster when she discarded her empty lipstick tube into the reactor.:rolleyes:

That's a good one, very creative. Isn't freedom of speech cool.

captain planet
01-11-2010, 09:23 AM
The umm, "information" is what should disappoint you. In his piece on climate change, he uses a disguised "scientist" who is supposed to be fearing for his life because of his stance on climate change. You know, because of the vast conspiracy?

That person, is easily recognisable as Tim Ball, a well known climate change skeptic, who not only doesn't live in hiding, he spends an impressive amount of time trying to get press for himself. Funny, Jesse says, "Follow the money", yet fails to point out that the secret scientist has been funded extensively by big oil. He also fails to admit that our hero was caught lying about his credentials...better to hide his identity, you know, to avoid scrutiny.

Further, one of Jesse The Body's crack investigative staff is shown on a ferry (on her way to interview this wayward saviour of science) and she describes that she is getting really nervous and that she will soon lose cell phone coverage as she is so ar from civilization.

Turns out though, if you have ever been to Victoria, British Columbia (where our elusive scientist lives - in plain view) you would recognize the Gulf Islands that she is cruising by...average home price there is about three million dollars. Not remote, or hidden from the world in any way, just a very short ferry ride from Vancouver. Certainly not a trip to the end of the earth as implied.

Anyhow, I stand on my opinion of Jesse the body...on the information, not the presentation.

His show aside which is a bit disappointing in presentation, if you listen to his interviews and where he stands on issues and how he sees the world, in my opinion he is what we need. He isn't owned by anyone. He isn't looking for the hand out, he is making a living. He is an honest man and served his country....much more than you can say for the present and previous administrations.

As for his piece on climate change...I don't know. I believe global warming is real. Is there money involved in green technologies? Of course there is. Just like there is money in oil and fossil fuels. Did he present a different perspective? Yup. It was a suprise to watch it.

bigmac
01-11-2010, 09:42 AM
His show aside which is a bit disappointing in presentation, if you listen to his interviews and where he stands on issues and how he sees the world, in my opinion he is what we need. He isn't owned by anyone. He isn't looking for the hand out, he is making a living. He is an honest man and served his country....much more than you can say for the present and previous administrations.

As for his piece on climate change...I don't know. I believe global warming is real. Is there money involved in green technologies? Of course there is. Just like there is money in oil and fossil fuels. Did he present a different perspective? Yup. It was a suprise to watch it.

Jesse got elected Minnesota governor mainly because Minnesotans were just disgusted with politicians, and Jesse definitely ain't no politician. Best things I can say about his term in office are that he definitely got some notoriety for Minnesota, and while he didn't accomplish much, he didn't screw up the state.

I agree that Jesse is his own man relative to the "establishiment", but he is the same showman he was when he was a professional wrestler. I doubt that he can be swayed by politics, but I'm pretty confident that he could be bought by a TV producer.

I do admire that he is a veteran. While he wasn't a Navy SEAL as he claims, he was UDT and anyone who can make it through BUD/S has my respect.

Climate change? I don't know. We might be going through a transient period of global warming, but I doubt it's human-caused.

Jesus_Freak
01-11-2010, 02:15 PM
Climate change? I don't know. We might be going through a transient period of global warming, but I doubt it's human-caused.

My middle schooler just gave a presentation to one of his classes on the fallacies of modern climate myths. Watching our administration scramble to perturb a grain of sand on the beach of our solar system's energy balance is indeed amusing.

JimN
01-11-2010, 02:17 PM
My middle schooler just gave a presentation to one of his classes on the fallacies of modern climate myths. Watching our administration scramble to perturb a grain of sand on the beach of our solar system's energy balance is indeed amusing.

And yet, Algore is on track to become the first Climate Change billionaire. Not bad for someone who never graduated from college.

Jorski
01-11-2010, 02:44 PM
He graduated from Harvard with a B.A. in 1969.

Texas
01-11-2010, 03:23 PM
Can someone get me a beer and some popcorn. I hear the Jorski locked thread show is just about to begin. :popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

bbymgr
01-11-2010, 05:35 PM
Can someone get me a beer and some popcorn. I hear the Jorski locked thread show is just about to begin. :popcorn:

You just joined TT this month and only have 10 posts ........................how do you know about Jorski and locked threads?;):rolleyes:

Skipper
01-11-2010, 07:59 PM
You just joined TT this month and only have 10 posts ........................how do you know about Jorski and locked threads?;):rolleyes:

Perhaps he is one of those government spies somebody was talking about earlier?

bbymgr
01-11-2010, 08:46 PM
Perhaps he is one of those government spies somebody was talking about earlier?

This site is getting too "Cloak & Dagger" for me.:rolleyes:

JimN
01-11-2010, 09:15 PM
He graduated from Harvard with a B.A. in 1969.

That Wiki profile is different from the last time I read it- it didn't show him graduating before.

Double D
01-11-2010, 11:47 PM
What the F*** did I get started here? Got some newbies with theories coming out of the closet. Did they join TT just to get their theories spread on here too?? Sheesh!!:confused: