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JimN
11-24-2009, 10:42 AM
Earlier this week, a notice was posted that a conference call with the moderators was to be held and since then, I have seen one person, using Cyrillic font, start several threads. Some of us flagged the initial ones and I still see new ones from the same person. I went to the members list and found that I had to go halfway through page 37 to find a real member.

Do we still have moderators or is Team Talk just being left alone, to rot?

ankkagvrax is the "person" posting these.

jdl xstar
11-24-2009, 11:06 AM
Definitely noticed an influx of spammers within last few weeks. The mods should make it more arduous to establish a user ID. How about adding some of those funky words you have to input like you see on ticketmaster. Maybe thats aleady being used- i don't remember.

east tx skier
11-24-2009, 11:15 AM
So what does a guy have to do to get some viagra around here?
;)

/edit. Jeez Jim, you weren't kidding. 37 pages of spambot. I think there is a box in vbulletin that will blur that login key just a touch to knock out a good number of these bots.

Sodar
11-24-2009, 11:33 AM
Moderators are here everyday during the week. Over the last week, spammers have been invading. The problem has been cleaned up and all spammers have been banned.

JimN:

What teleconference thread are you referring to? The last posting of a teleconference was over a year ago and little happened in response to that one.

bigmac
11-24-2009, 11:38 AM
Definitely noticed an influx of spammers within last few weeks. The mods should make it more arduous to establish a user ID. How about adding some of those funky words you have to input like you see on ticketmaster. Maybe thats aleady being used- i don't remember.

We've been through this. Unless there has been a change in philosophy, the moderators have control only of posts. They don't have any power over posters. The decision as to whom to approve for registration and whom to ban from the site is entirely the province of the site administrators. For reference, TTAdmin's last appearance on TeamTalk was 11/16. There are two other admins, TMC (last here on 10/14) and TeamMC (last here on 1/5/07).

Don't blame the moderators. They have no power.

bcampbe7
11-24-2009, 11:59 AM
We've been through this. Unless there has been a change in philosophy, the moderators have control only of posts. They don't have any power over posters. The decision as to whom to approve for registration and whom to ban from the site is entirely the province of the site administrators. For reference, TTAdmin's last appearance on TeamTalk was 11/16. There are two other admins, TMC (last here on 10/14) and TeamMC (last here on 1/5/07).

Don't blame the moderators. They have no power.

I think that changed once Doug and I left. Apparently you have to own a new(er) MC in order to get those permissions. :rolleyes: :)

jdl xstar
11-24-2009, 12:08 PM
We've been through this. Unless there has been a change in philosophy, the moderators have control only of posts. They don't have any power over posters. The decision as to whom to approve for registration and whom to ban from the site is entirely the province of the site administrators. For reference, TTAdmin's last appearance on TeamTalk was 11/16. There are two other admins, TMC (last here on 10/14) and TeamMC (last here on 1/5/07).

Don't blame the moderators. They have no power.

Got ya- I meant to direct the suggestion at whomever controls the registration- Admin.

east tx skier
11-24-2009, 12:27 PM
I think that changed once Doug and I left. Apparently you have to own a new(er) MC in order to get those permissions. :rolleyes: :)

Actually, in all seriousness, when Beau and I were mods, Admin hand screened new members. Thus, all things resembling spamming were actual people, often Mastercraft owners. :) Since that time, it appears they have gone back to using the "site key" to screen bots. Like I mentioned before, I think there is a function to make it a little more difficult to read so that the bots efforts to register are frustrated and the process for real people just requires more squinting.

My assumption is that the mods can't do much more than to clean up the mess until the registration process gets some bot proofing.

bigmac
11-24-2009, 12:39 PM
All the moderators can do, historically here on TT anyway, is delete spam posts individually. TTAdmin could give moderators access to the Administrator's control panel if they wanted, which would allow moderation of new members as well as banning other members, new or otherwise, who break bad. Access to that control panel can be customized so that these moderators would NOT have access to the "back end" of the site and be able to change basic settings, style sheets, etc.

Like virtually all discussion forums on the internet, this one is run in a manner that reflects the expectations, desires, and capabilities of the people who own it.

As to preventing registration of spam bots, there are many, many different ways of doing that. I own/admin two vBulletin sites and admin another one, not to mention participating on several others. I have never seen a site that allows as much spam in as this one does.

JimN
11-24-2009, 12:43 PM
Moderators are here everyday during the week. Over the last week, spammers have been invading. The problem has been cleaned up and all spammers have been banned.

JimN:

What teleconference thread are you referring to? The last posting of a teleconference was over a year ago and little happened in response to that one.

Sorry- I saw 11/20 but not the 08 part. Must be a coincidence that this happened the same time last year.

What about the 36-1/2 pages of TT Newbies with no posts?

Sodar
11-24-2009, 12:48 PM
Sorry- I saw 11/20 but not the 08 part. Must be a coincidence that this happened the same time last year.

What about the 36-1/2 pages of TT Newbies with no posts?

I have asked TTAdmin countless times for someone to clean those up or allow for yours truly to clean them up. 3 years of asking still no response. I would also like to add new forum sections and delete some of the unused sections. I have aspirations, but no tools.

Mod1

TMCNo1
11-24-2009, 03:33 PM
All I know is JohnE is busting his butt on here banning spammers and their threads. I send him notification of 3 to 4 a day I find and he reacts darn near immediately to them, no questions asked, no smart remarks and no questions asked and he knows not to reply to me because I take the time to follow up on what I have sent him and I can see that he has done the banning/deletions and all is well.

cbryan70
11-24-2009, 04:09 PM
Mod1.....you must be x2momma?

bcampbe7
11-24-2009, 04:15 PM
Mod1.....you must be x2momma?

Wrong... Mod1 is a girl though. :)

bigmac
11-24-2009, 04:34 PM
All I know is JohnE is busting his butt on here banning spammers and their threads. I send him notification of 3 to 4 a day I find and he reacts damn near immediately to them, no questions asked, no smart remarks and no questions asked and he knows not to reply to me because I take the time to follow up on what I have sent him and I can see that he has done the banning/deletions and all is well.

If TT now has a moderator that has the ability to ban individual members instead of just deleting their threads, that would be a significant change around here and definitely a step in the right direction in making this discussion forum work.

The title "super moderator" as labeled by vBulletin generally refers only to those moderators who have the granted ability to moderate all forums on the site. There is a wide range of powers that can be granted to any member or member group.

flipper
11-24-2009, 04:50 PM
Wrong... Mod1 is a girl though. :)
.........:D

CruisinGA
11-24-2009, 05:06 PM
I have asked TTAdmin countless times for someone to clean those up or allow for yours truly to clean them up. 3 years of asking still no response. I would also like to add new forum sections and delete some of the unused sections. I have aspirations, but no tools.

Mod1

I've been meaning to suggest that the section layout and organization be changed, seems like some are too specific to get much use, and so "General" ends up being the catch-all for everything.

I guess now I know there is not much point :cool:

east tx skier
11-24-2009, 05:13 PM
It is significant that the mods now have the power to ban individuals. In my time as a mod, we suggested over and over that that would greatly improve our ability to be effective in our duties rather than to be mere hall monitors.

As the good princess said, "the more you tighten your grip ... the more ... [things] will slip through your fingers."

atlfootr
11-24-2009, 05:35 PM
I'm right there w/ east tx skier in the asking department.
Numerous times I have sought more control on banning these spammers from the higher God's.

I'm as frustrated as you are w/ all the crap that's begin posted.
I am all that I am ... a mod that only can edit and delete posts, no banning privileges here :(

bigmac
11-24-2009, 06:08 PM
I'm right there w/ east tx skier in the asking department.
Numerous times I have sought more control on banning these spammers from the higher God's.

I'm as frustrated as you are w/ all the crap that's begin posted.
I am all that I am ... a mod that only can edit and delete posts, no banning privileges here :(

No. 1 mentioned that John E has been banning spammers right and left so I assumed that he has privileges to ban miscreants.

André
11-24-2009, 07:36 PM
I don't know why this keep happening.
The new spam filters have been designed by the "in-tank-fuel-pump" peoples...:D

Sodar
11-24-2009, 07:41 PM
No. 1 mentioned that John E has been banning spammers right and left so I assumed that he has privileges to ban miscreants.


That is correct, MasterCraft has given the power to a limited number of Moderators to ban spammers. We do delete the spam as reported and when we are available.

Mod1

ski_king
11-24-2009, 08:03 PM
I don't know why this keep happening.
The new spam filters have been designed by the "in-tank-fuel-pump" peoples...:D

Ouch, that hurts!
but it was a good one!

TMCNo1
11-24-2009, 08:27 PM
I don't know why this keep happening.
The new spam filters have been designed by the "in-tank-fuel-pump" peoples...:D

Ouch, that hurts!
but it was a good one!

That don't hurt, that's funny, OMG, that's funny!:uglyhamme

SkiDog
11-24-2009, 10:48 PM
I'm right there w/ east tx skier in the asking department.
Numerous times I have sought more control on banning these spammers from the higher God's.

I'm as frustrated as you are w/ all the crap that's begin posted.
I am all that I am ... a mod that only can edit and delete posts, no banning privileges here :(

Thats a damn good thing too! If YOU had banning privies, there'd be nobody left on here but footr's!8p

DemolitionMan
11-24-2009, 11:30 PM
:uglyhamme:uglyhammeThats a damn good thing too! If YOU had banning privies, there'd be nobody left on here but footr's!8p

:uglyhamme

JohnE
11-25-2009, 10:22 AM
As #1 said, I somehow have the ability to ban users. I was very hesitant at first especially since some of the spammers aren't as obvious as others. At first I checked with Phil every time. Now I am more comfortable with the banning. For whatever reason there has been a lot more spammers in the past week. I've probably banned 30 - 40 this week alone. And usually #1 alerts me to them. Especially since I've had a dead laptop for almost a month. New one arrived last night. FWIW, I'd never ban a regular user without at least talking to Phil first unless the offense was so blatant that it didn't need discussion. I never heard about a recent teleconference. As Mod 1 said, all I ever heard was from a year or so ago. Before I was a mod.

atlfootr
11-25-2009, 10:27 AM
Next time you talk to Phil, tell him we need another one before December 31' 09.

JimN
11-25-2009, 10:29 AM
Especially since I've had a dead laptop for almost a month. New one arrived last night. FWIW, I'd never ban a regular user without at least talking to Phil first unless the offense was so blatant that it didn't need discussion. I never heard about a recent teleconference. As Mod 1 said, all I ever heard was from a year or so ago. Before I was a mod.

As I posted, the teleconference was last year- I didn't see the '08 on the date, so you don't need to think they got together to talk about you.:D

I think it's safe to remove someone who posts the same thing in three threads in a foreign language or has porn/Viagra or other links.

TMCNo1
11-25-2009, 10:31 AM
As #1 said, I somehow have the ability to ban users. I was very hesitant at first especially since some of the spammers aren't as obvious as others. At first I checked with Phil every time. Now I am more comfortable with the banning. For whatever reason there has been a lot more spammers in the past week. I've probably banned 30 - 40 this week alone. And usually #1 alerts me to them. Especially since I've had a dead laptop for almost a month. New one arrived last night. FWIW, I'd never ban a regular user without at least talking to Phil first unless the offense was so blatant that it didn't need discussion. I never heard about a recent teleconference. As Mod 1 said, all I ever heard was from a year or so ago. Before I was a mod.

Here's the referenced teleconference thread from 1 year and 5 days ago, http://www.mastercraft.com/teamtalk/showthread.php?t=27617&highlight=teleconference. It's interesting how very little has happened since then.

LaRue
11-25-2009, 10:48 AM
maybe this is old news but in checking this morning, (11/25) i still see spammer threads from the same source as the past week.

TTAdmin
11-25-2009, 10:49 AM
Because of the holiday selling season, we've experienced an uptick in spam. We can certainly use another moderator to help stop these maliciuos spammers.

If you are interested in volunteering, please PM me a message.

Thanks,
TTAdmin

phil

TTAdmin
11-25-2009, 11:06 AM
And yes, we will be having a new TT Moderator teleconference in December to round-out the year and to discuss what is needed going forward, (i.e. improved deflector FAQs so questions/answers are repeated less, improved topic/section organization, optimized UI, as well as new anti-spam tactics). TeamTalk is on the plan for update and re-skin for 2011.

east tx skier
11-25-2009, 12:01 PM
I knew there was generally a run on ham when the holidays rolled around. Didn't know about spam. Food for thought.

Yuk yuk yuk. :)

bigmac
11-25-2009, 01:59 PM
As #1 said, I somehow have the ability to ban users. I was very hesitant at first especially since some of the spammers aren't as obvious as others. At first I checked with Phil every time. Now I am more comfortable with the banning. For whatever reason there has been a lot more spammers in the past week. I've probably banned 30 - 40 this week alone. And usually #1 alerts me to them. Especially since I've had a dead laptop for almost a month. New one arrived last night. FWIW, I'd never ban a regular user without at least talking to Phil first unless the offense was so blatant that it didn't need discussion. I never heard about a recent teleconference. As Mod 1 said, all I ever heard was from a year or so ago. Before I was a mod.

FWIW, here's my approach:

I have an extensive list of email domains and IP addresses that are known spammer sites and these are all blocked via vBulletin's control panel. It's a long list. At registration, every new user has to enter the Captcha code, then also has to answer a simple math question (bot prevention). I enable the requirement that every new user has to be validated by responding to the registration email. Then, I am notified of each new user by email. Once they have passed the email test, I examine each new applicant. Much of spam is from China these days, and I've found that when registering, they do tend to enter the Pacific time zone for Singapore/Kwajelein etc, and they tend to select Jan 1 1980 as their birthdate. They are an automatic deletion. For the rest of the new registrants, I google each and every one. First I google their selected user name, then their email address. In the cases of most spammers, I'll often find that they have registered on several other bulletin boards around the net at the same time. They then get flushed. If that approach doesn't help me determine if they're a spammer, then I google their email domain, or do a reverse DNS lookup, and try to determine if it's a spammer domain.

TeamTalk is a pretty busy site...lots of new registrants, so the above approach could require a lot of work. OTOH, in order to run a valuable marketing tool like this one, you have to pay what it's worth. It's silly to try to run a busy site like this with just a couple of people who have the power to manage it appropriately. If this site is going to fulfill its marketing promise to MasterCraft, it can't be managed in a half-a$$ed manner. Large volumes of spam, especially porn spam, on a company's owner's web site are counterproductive from a marketing standpoint.

JohnE
11-26-2009, 09:52 AM
And yes, we will be having a new TT Moderator teleconference in December to round-out the year and to discuss what is needed going forward, (i.e. improved deflector FAQs so questions/answers are repeated less, improved topic/section organization, optimized UI, as well as new anti-spam tactics). TeamTalk is on the plan for update and re-skin for 2011.


Just let me know when.:cool:

ski_king
11-26-2009, 09:57 AM
....... then also has to answer a simple math question (bot prevention)......
That would have prevented about half of our current members from registering.