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Sodar
09-23-2009, 11:40 AM
My boat has been filled by this exact pump since day one. Probably 80% of the fuel run through the boat has been from here. Is there Ethanol in the fuel? From the posts I have read regarding the subject, it has been said that the pumps need to note if there is an Ethanol blend, but I see nothing on the pump. Is there a chance that this is a 100% gasoline pump? I am probably dreaming that any pumps in California are such, but just thought I would ask...

H20skeefreek
09-23-2009, 11:42 AM
I've gotten the impression that all fuel in CA. has ethanol, so maybe it doesn't have to have the sign if it's required to have E-10 by state law????

sand2snow22
09-23-2009, 11:47 AM
I just read something stating 10% ethanol is mandatory in California by late 2009. Pumps here in OR have the 'contains 10% ethanol' sign. Although I hope someone can explain the difference between that and the 'oxygenated' sign.

Jimmauburn
09-23-2009, 12:13 PM
In Mississippi they have to have a label on the pumps stating that there is Ethanol in the tank. Getting harder and harder to find 100% fuel without Ethanol these days.

kkkeating
09-23-2009, 12:14 PM
Most likely it does. See http://www.arb.ca.gov/fuels/gasoline/faq/faq.htm for the requirements. Chevron started using ethanol in 2003. Most likely the ethanol warning notes never got installed.

#47of100TeamMC
09-23-2009, 12:30 PM
I am almost positive that Nation-Wide gas pumps will contain 5% Ethanol unless stated otherwise.
If there is more than 5% they need to post that. Hence the 10% Ethanol stickers like this...

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:_Lzq6hMHADIEYM:http://wpty.img.cdn.dayport.com/img/dp_thumbs/thumb_1214263050647_0p13532482688779068.jpg (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://wpty.img.cdn.dayport.com/img/dp_thumbs/thumb_1214263050647_0p13532482688779068.jpg&imgrefurl=http://forums.evolutionm.net/evox-sale-electronics-lighting-audio/437168-zeitronix-ethanol-content-analyzer-packages-links-bottom.html&usg=__9XMgmKHTQqhQ00ZWJBQhWOq9vAs=&h=240&w=320&sz=62&hl=en&start=1&um=1&tbnid=_Lzq6hMHADIEYM:&tbnh=89&tbnw=118&prev=/images%3Fq%3D10%2525%2Bethanol%26ndsp%3D21%26hl%3D en%26rls%3Dcom.microsoft:en-us%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1)
If there is no Ethanol you will see a sign that says "Non-Oxygenated Gasoline". It's the white sticker below the 91octance pump...
http://www.panoramio.com/photos/original/24010994.jpg

bigmac
09-23-2009, 01:26 PM
Varies state to state. Here in Minnesota, there's no need to label pumps as containing ethanol. If the pump contains NO ethanol, it has to be labelled as being only for off-road vehicles, boats, motorcycles, or antique cars.

California supposedly DOES require that pumps that pump ethanol in any percentage be labeled as such. Other states:

-- Alabama - AL (1 % or higher)
-- Alaska - AK Always Labels
-- Arizona - AZ (1 % or higher)
-- Arkansas - AR (1.5 % or higher)
-- California - CA Always Labels
-- Colorado - CO (2 % or higher)
-- Connecticut - CT (1 % or higher)
-- Delaware - DE (1.5 % or higher)
-- Florida - FL Always Labels
-- Georgia - GA (1.5 % or higher)
-- Hawaii - HI (1 % or higher)
-- Idaho - ID (1 % or higher)
-- Illinois - IL (1 % or higher)
-- Iowa - IA (1 % or higher)
-- Louisiana - LA (1 % or higher)
-- Maine - ME Always Labels
-- Massachusetts - MA (1 % or higher)
-- Mississippi - MS (1 % or higher)
-- Montana - MT (1.5 % or higher)
-- Nebraska - NE (1 % or higher)
-- New Mexico - NM (1 % or higher)
-- New York - NY (1 % or higher)
-- North Dakota - ND (1 % or higher)
-- Oklahoma - OK (1 % or higher)
-- Oregon - OR (1.5 % or higher)
-- Pennsylvania - PA Always Labels
-- Rhode Island - RI (1 % or higher)
-- South Carolina - SC (1.5 % or higher)
-- South Dakota - SD (2 % or higher)
-- Tennessee - TN (1.5 % or higher)
-- Texas - TX (1 % or higher)
-- Utah - UT (1 % or higher)
-- Vermont - VT (1.5 % or higher)
-- Virginia - VA (1 % or higher)
-- Washington - WA (Up to 10%)
-- West Virginia - WV (1.5 % or higher)
-- Wisconsin - WI Always Labels
-- Wyoming - WV Labels "gasahol"

Sodar
09-23-2009, 01:31 PM
So does that mean it is pure fuel from Feb 1 to Sept 30?!?!?

I'll have to stop at a different station tonight and see if they have any other signs. I am intrigued, now!

flipper
09-23-2009, 01:55 PM
All the pumps around here have a sticker on the pump

#47of100TeamMC
09-23-2009, 03:06 PM
bigmac... is that list up-to-date? In Minnesota/Wisconsin it is as I described in my earlier post. No label is assumed 5% Ethanol. 10% or E-85 must be labeled. No-Ethanol is signed as "Non-Oxygenated Gasoline"

Obviously this isn't answering Sodar's question for California. So I apologize for the slight thread-jack.

Sodar
09-23-2009, 03:20 PM
Just googling news stories.

Looks like CA considers Ethanol to be more of a polluter than petroleum based fuel.

http://greeninc.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/04/24/california-fuel-move-angers-ethanol-makers/


2004 mandated 5.6% Ethanol in all CA Fuels, however a boater sued for damage to his boat and fiberglass tanks... pretty interesting!

http://articles.latimes.com/2008/apr/15/business/fi-boat15

bigmac
09-23-2009, 04:18 PM
bigmac... is that list up-to-date? In Minnesota/Wisconsin it is as I described in my earlier post. No label is assumed 5% Ethanol. 10% or E-85 must be labeled. No-Ethanol is signed as "Non-Oxygenated Gasoline"

Obviously this isn't answering Sodar's question for California. So I apologize for the slight thread-jack.

Reportedly it's accurate as of March 2008.

In Minnesota, no label = 10% ethanol. The law in MN requires that all fuel sold be 10% ethanol except that it's permissible to use non-oxygenated gasoline only in collector cars, boats, motorcycles etc. So if a gas station is selling no-ethanol fuel, it has to be labeled as being legal to use only in those categories of vehicles. It would be illegal in Minnesota to drive up to such a pump in a standard car or truck and put non-oxygenated fuel in it.

Some Minnesota gas stations do still sell non-oxygenated fuel at the pump, but they're rare anymore these days. Demand is way down and the only place I see that around here is at marinas. I have non-oxygenated fuel delivered to my house, but I am listed by that oil company that sells it to me as a "marina".

Note also that in 2013, the law requires that all fuel sold in Minnesota be 20% ethanol.

https://www.revisor.leg.state.mn.us/bin/getpub.php?type=s&num=239.791&year=2006

#47of100TeamMC
09-23-2009, 05:19 PM
Reportedly it's accurate as of March 2008.

In Minnesota, no label = 10% ethanol. The law in MN requires that all fuel sold be 10% ethanol except that it's permissible to use non-oxygenated gasoline only in collector cars, boats, motorcycles etc. So if a gas station is selling no-ethanol fuel, it has to be labeled as being legal to use only in those categories of vehicles. It would be illegal in Minnesota to drive up to such a pump in a standard car or truck and put non-oxygenated fuel in it.

Some Minnesota gas stations do still sell non-oxygenated fuel at the pump, but they're rare anymore these days. Demand is way down and the only place I see that around here is at marinas. I have non-oxygenated fuel delivered to my house, but I am listed by that oil company that sells it to me as a "marina".

Note also that in 2013, the law requires that all fuel sold in Minnesota be 20% ethanol.

https://www.revisor.leg.state.mn.us/bin/getpub.php?type=s&num=239.791&year=2006

Figures... I was told by a gas station attendant that no-label = 5%. He sounded confident in his opinion however, I trust your insight over his. But yes, the "Non-Oxygenated Gasoline" labels further state that it is for non-highway use. Boats, lawn mowers etc. The only Non-Oxygenated labels I see are on 91octane pumps.

bigmac
09-23-2009, 05:48 PM
Figures... I was told by a gas station attendant that no-label = 5%. He sounded confident in his opinion however, I trust your insight over his. But yes, the "Non-Oxygenated Gasoline" labels further state that it is for non-highway use. Boats, lawn mowers etc. The only Non-Oxygenated labels I see are on 91octane pumps.
The MN state statutes I cited (https://www.revisor.leg.state.mn.us/bin/getpub.php?type=s&num=239.791&year=2006) state that all gasoline sold in this state has to be no less than 9.2% and no more than 10% ethanol. The exception, of course, is E85, which does have to be labeled as such. Non-ethanol gasoline for retail sale has to be premium grade, and labeled (exactly):

NONOXYGENATED GASOLINE.

FOR USE IN COLLECTOR VEHICLES OR VEHICLES ELIGIBLE TO BE
LICENSED AS COLLECTOR VEHICLES, OFF-ROAD VEHICLES, MOTORCYCLES,
BOATS, SNOWMOBILES, OR SMALL ENGINES ONLY.

As a "riparian land owner", it's legal for me to have bulk non-ethanol in a storage tank on my property, as long as I use it legally (i.e. my boat, lawn mower, motorcycle, snowmobile etc). They deliver it to me, usually same day I request it, at pump prices, no delivery charge. I'm a little tweaked that even though it's only for off-road use, I still have to pay state highway tax on it. That's the law these days, though. I used to be able to claim that tax as an income tax deduction.

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TX.X-30 fan
09-23-2009, 08:28 PM
I hope the country does not turn into Minnesota, but Ahbama would love for it to.

JimN
09-23-2009, 09:01 PM
Just googling news stories.

Looks like CA considers Ethanol to be more of a polluter than petroleum based fuel.

http://greeninc.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/04/24/california-fuel-move-angers-ethanol-makers/


2004 mandated 5.6% Ethanol in all CA Fuels, however a boater sued for damage to his boat and fiberglass tanks... pretty interesting!

http://articles.latimes.com/2008/apr/15/business/fi-boat15

Thanks to CA, MTBE was removed from gas in about 2000, IIRC, because they were finding it in groundwater. For that, I'm grateful.