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rhsprostar
08-18-2009, 03:58 PM
Hi
Just looking for some input on the dreaded skier's elbow problem that is causing me grief this year. I have heard that a bent handle or elipitical handle can help the problem.
Does anyone have any experience with this problem or a bend/oblong handle?
Thanks in advance.

ntidsl
08-18-2009, 04:47 PM
you know I suffered a whole year with bad elbow pains almost bringing tears to my eyes at night in bed...the next year nothing...then slight pain early the next season then nothing...I got a new handle every year but i dont htink that was it...I'm sory to be no help but try a new width of handle...then just get a new handle every year or half year. good luck.

X-5 Driver
08-18-2009, 04:56 PM
I've had "tennis elbow" all summer and I can't stand tennis. I went in to my buddy, who is a PA, and got a shot in the elbow and an Rx right before July 4 weekend. It has waxed and waned but I still have pain. I figure it better heal up after I put the boat away, during football season, because I ski in the winter too.

beef
08-18-2009, 04:57 PM
Had problems with it a couple of years ago. I read somewhere that switching grip to both palms down during deepwater starts and when out of the course (when spinning or waiting to pull out and drop) would help. I started doing that and haven't had a problem since. I switch to a baseball grip before initial pull out and back to palms down after the exit gates - don't even think about it anymore.

rhsprostar
08-18-2009, 06:56 PM
Beef. I have tried that a bit and it did help. I will try using it on starts and before my pullout. I found a thread on ball of spray about some people loving the bent handles. I am going to give it a try.....nothing to lose I guess. I think that if I could fix my form at 32off and stop the slack line hits i would be better off. I need to do more free skiing but am addicted to the buoys...................they call me:D

macattack
08-18-2009, 09:00 PM
Check out http://thewaterskiforum.com/index.html and search for "elbow pain;" there is a long discussion on this subject...from what I can remember, get a radius handle, ice your elbows a couple times a day, take Motrin, Naproxen, etc, stop taking hits due to slack rope, use Biofreeze when ice is not available, palms down when not in the course and the correct baseball grip depending which foot is forward. I had severe elbow pains last summer, followed the abv advice, and hardly have any pain this year! mac

ntidsl
08-18-2009, 09:22 PM
I'll bet you it has alot to do with the slack and hitting the turns hard...as I remember it was first year at 28 and 32 off and i was getting alot of hit from slack that worst year!!!

doc
08-18-2009, 09:34 PM
take ibuprofen or motrin every day for a little while. Not for the pain relief but the anti-inflammatory. Thats all the skiers elbow is. The trick to the relief is keeping it in your system for a week or so.

Hoosier Bob
08-18-2009, 10:45 PM
So you guys are still trying to say this is from skiing?:confused::D

One question: Is it on your good side or your bad side?

rhsprostar
08-18-2009, 11:46 PM
So you guys are still trying to say this is from skiing?:confused::D

One question: Is it on your good side or your bad side?

Feeling it more on my good side but also on the bad side.:mad:

rhsprostar
08-18-2009, 11:49 PM
I'll bet you it has alot to do with the slack and hitting the turns hard...as I remember it was first year at 28 and 32 off and i was getting alot of hit from slack that worst year!!!


I KNOW thats what it is......tomorrow night i am going to free ski only.....then back to the course on Friday!8p

Hoosier Bob
08-18-2009, 11:49 PM
You got skills!;)Feeling it more on my good side but also on the bad side.:mad:

rhsprostar
08-19-2009, 12:08 AM
Macattack, thanks for the info I am going to do a little reading on the subject over there. Looks like an interesting forum. Also going to order the radius grip handle pronto. I will keep everyone posted on results.

nascar
08-19-2009, 05:20 PM
There is a brace ( not sure if that the correct term , kinda like a belt ) that goes just below the elbow that helps with the discomfort . I had one for years that was made by Body Glove . Most sporting goods stores have them . It does help but "rest " would help even more . I know , I know you have all winter to rest .

CantRepeat
08-19-2009, 06:29 PM
It is a repetitive motion issue. All of the forearm muscles attach at the elbow. It’s a weak point in the arm. I was doing a ton of pull ups and skiing. This is the first year I’ve had it.
I’m seeing a specialist for this issue right now. He gave me some bio freeze and that didn’t do anything. I’ve been taking motrin which seems to help some, but what has helped the most is a couple of stretches the doc gave me.
If you hold your arm straight out palm down and elbow lock, then take your free hand and grip the injured hand with thumb in palm, fingers on top of hand and pull your hand down and then back towards your body until the forearm muscles start to stretch at the elbow. Hold this for 15 seconds, release, stretch a little further and hold for 20 seconds.
The other stretch is just the opposite of this stretch. Arm extended, elbow lock; point your fingers to the sky. Take your free hand and pull back on the ring and middle finger until you feel the stretch in the lower part of your arm.
You should do these as many times a day as you can remember.
That being said, they have help relieve most of the pain. But, short of letting the muscles heal completely and then working on an exercise routine to strengthen them, it’s shots in the arm.

CantRepeat
08-19-2009, 06:31 PM
There is a brace ( not sure if that the correct term , kinda like a belt ) that goes just below the elbow that helps with the discomfort . I had one for years that was made by Body Glove . Most sporting goods stores have them . It does help but "rest " would help even more . I know , I know you have all winter to rest .

Yup, forgot about this, you should wear this brace whenever using these muscles.

bxroads
08-19-2009, 07:12 PM
Goode Powervest is the answer.......

M-Funf
08-19-2009, 07:51 PM
I've got the same pain. Mostly from golf. Skiing seems to help the pain for me.

Use this brace. Cheap and effective.

Maybe Bigmac will chime in here???

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vision
08-19-2009, 08:12 PM
Try getting a new ski rope each season. A friend of mine said as long as he gets a new ski rope each year, he has no issues. He assumes it is due to the rope losing some elasticity over time.

chico
08-19-2009, 09:52 PM
Ok here`s my remedy,I got this from a buddist monk,You need a wok,some rock salt and a damp towel,heat the rock salt(about a cup and a half)until it starts cracking and popping,put it in the damp towel and hold it around your elbow(or what ever else huurts) and keep it there till it cools,do it twice a day until it heals.This has worked great for me.

MariStar-Man
08-20-2009, 01:50 AM
let us know what worked for you...

rhsprostar
08-21-2009, 11:11 AM
Ok here`s my remedy,I got this from a buddist monk,You need a wok,some rock salt and a damp towel,heat the rock salt(about a cup and a half)until it starts cracking and popping,put it in the damp towel and hold it around your elbow(or what ever else huurts) and keep it there till it cools,do it twice a day until it heals.This has worked great for me.

That's so crazy i might actually try it.....you're serious right??

rhsprostar
08-21-2009, 11:19 AM
I will try this for sure.............I also have the tennis elbow brace and a radius masterline handle should be here on Monday. So far I have had ibuprofen in my system for a couple of days and it seems to be working. A little tough on the stomach though. I am going to stay on the ibu and start doing the stretches asap. I will keep everyone posted on the results.
When i skied on Wednesday, I made sure to use a palm down grip all the time. I changed grip just before my pullout and although I only did two sets, I didn't have much pain......could be the ibuprofen though......
Thanks for all the suggestions.

It is a repetitive motion issue. All of the forearm muscles attach at the elbow. Itís a weak point in the arm. I was doing a ton of pull ups and skiing. This is the first year Iíve had it.
Iím seeing a specialist for this issue right now. He gave me some bio freeze and that didnít do anything. Iíve been taking motrin which seems to help some, but what has helped the most is a couple of stretches the doc gave me.
If you hold your arm straight out palm down and elbow lock, then take your free hand and grip the injured hand with thumb in palm, fingers on top of hand and pull your hand down and then back towards your body until the forearm muscles start to stretch at the elbow. Hold this for 15 seconds, release, stretch a little further and hold for 20 seconds.
The other stretch is just the opposite of this stretch. Arm extended, elbow lock; point your fingers to the sky. Take your free hand and pull back on the ring and middle finger until you feel the stretch in the lower part of your arm.
You should do these as many times a day as you can remember.
That being said, they have help relieve most of the pain. But, short of letting the muscles heal completely and then working on an exercise routine to strengthen them, itís shots in the arm.

chico
08-21-2009, 06:44 PM
Very serious,you won`t beleive it till you try it,also helps to drink 2 cups of ginger tea a day.

rhsprostar
08-21-2009, 09:21 PM
Very serious,you won`t beleive it till you try it,also helps to drink 2 cups of ginger tea a day.

So you use sea salt:confused:

Covi
08-21-2009, 09:45 PM
So you use sea salt:confused:

RHS, I have been suffering from tennis elbow for 10 months now. It use to come and go between arms however, this time it hasn't gone away. In fact like you, it *&^%$ Kills!!! I have the forearm brace by Ace (black). It seems like all it's good for is giving me a sore arm. Let me know what works for you?

rhsprostar
08-21-2009, 10:54 PM
RHS, I have been suffering from tennis elbow for 10 months now. It use to come and go between arms however, this time it hasn't gone away. In fact like you, it *&^%$ Kills!!! I have the forearm brace by Ace (black). It seems like all it's good for is giving me a sore arm. Let me know what works for you?

I will keep you guys updated. Hopefully the change in handle will help. Along with these other remedies, I hope to be back skiing much more right into the fall. I have been taking it easy now for about two weeks. I have only done about 6 sets.

chico
08-22-2009, 09:17 AM
use rock salt,I have only used a wok to heat it up,but mabey a frying pan would work

rhsprostar
08-22-2009, 09:22 AM
Thanks I will try it, do you buy it at Loblaws etc?

chico
08-22-2009, 03:07 PM
You may be able to find it in a hardware store.it is very hot when you apply it so move it around your elbow so it doesn`t burn

kjohnson
01-24-2012, 03:09 PM
I have had this problem for about two years. I went to see an orthopedic surgeon and he said he was because I am tearing the tendons due to the force of the pull. He said to exercise it like someone earlier stated (stretching arm and fingers). He said he could repair the damage by operating but that I could never ski again. I wonder if I am doing more damage everytime I ski. I also get it anytime I grip anything now rake, hammer, shovel etc.

mikeg205
01-24-2012, 03:17 PM
get one of these.... great for grip and for arm fitness..

http://www.backcountrygear.com/dynaflex-powerball-lights.html?gclid=CPTqxPmu6a0CFbMAQAodZgmH8Q

That tendonitis can be a real b****. I went to a curved handle just because it felt better.

You're probably getting the injury on the start. Have who ever is towing you.. start a bit slow to get you going and then smoothly accelerate to get you up. The quick hole shot is what is most likely shocking the elbow end of your for arm... I had the same injury from bicycling...could not grip anything for almost 2 months. That hole shot shock can easily shred the tendons...

You can also get the brace until you heal up.

http://www.allegromedical.com/pain-management-c6489/tennis-elbow-band-one-size-fits-all-p216896.html?engine=froogle&utm_source=froogle&utm_medium=feed&CS_003=9164468&CS_010=8ab281020bb66dff010bb6a1530730e2&gdftrk=gdfV21244_a_7c477_a_7c4637_a_7c216896&gclid=CL3nkuav6a0CFUKFQAod_Xja6w

CantRepeat
01-24-2012, 03:18 PM
I have had this problem for about two years. I went to see an orthopedic surgeon and he said he was because I am tearing the tendons due to the force of the pull. He said to exercise it like someone earlier stated (stretching arm and fingers). He said he could repair the damage by operating but that I could never ski again. I wonder if I am doing more damage everytime I ski. I also get it anytime I grip anything now rake, hammer, shovel etc.

Mine got to the point that I just got the cortisone shots like every 8 weeks. I kept working out and skiing because you fell no pain at all. I did this for about 2 years. I stop doing pull ups and don't short line ski anymore so I quit the shots too. The 6 months after stopping the shots was extremely painful.

My doc said the surgery was not a good idea and they almost never have good results from it.

So now I surf a lot and just do long line wrapped up skiing.

kjohnson
01-24-2012, 03:44 PM
Mine got to the point that I just got the cortisone shots like every 8 weeks. I kept working out and skiing because you fell no pain at all. I did this for about 2 years. I stop doing pull ups and don't short line ski anymore so I quit the shots too. The 6 months after stopping the shots was extremely painful.

My doc said the surgery was not a good idea and they almost never have good results from it.

So now I surf a lot and just do long line wrapped up skiing.

My Doctor said no to the Cortizone shots. It causes more damage and you don't realize it until you quit the shots.

kjohnson
01-24-2012, 03:45 PM
get one of these.... great for grip and for arm fitness..

http://www.backcountrygear.com/dynaflex-powerball-lights.html?gclid=CPTqxPmu6a0CFbMAQAodZgmH8Q

That tendonitis can be a real b****. I went to a curved handle just because it felt better.

You're probably getting the injury on the start. Have who ever is towing you.. start a bit slow to get you going and then smoothly accelerate to get you up. The quick hole shot is what is most likely shocking the elbow end of your for arm... I had the same injury from bicycling...could not grip anything for almost 2 months. That hole shot shock can easily shred the tendons...

You can also get the brace until you heal up.

http://www.allegromedical.com/pain-management-c6489/tennis-elbow-band-one-size-fits-all-p216896.html?engine=froogle&utm_source=froogle&utm_medium=feed&CS_003=9164468&CS_010=8ab281020bb66dff010bb6a1530730e2&gdftrk=gdfV21244_a_7c477_a_7c4637_a_7c216896&gclid=CL3nkuav6a0CFUKFQAod_Xja6w

I have a brace. Does the ball really work?

CantRepeat
01-24-2012, 04:00 PM
My Doctor said no to the Cortizone shots. It causes more damage and you don't realize it until you quit the shots.

Yeah, I paid the price when I finally came off of them. But it was to the point I couldn't open a door or pick up a cup of coffee and I wasn't ready to stop skiing.

After slowing down the pace of things and giving them time to heal up I can at least enjoy somethings. I'd bet I could get back into skiing shape if I took my time doing it but I'd rather drink beer and surf nowadays.

mikeg205
01-24-2012, 05:55 PM
I have a brace. Does the ball really work?

The ball works great... its amazing how fast your fore arm gets tired at first... and you will feel the work out at the injury are and across your entire forearm.

Have had the ball for 5 years... no injuries and no pain. The real key is not shocking that muscle if you can prevent it. I always remind my drivers to slow and go to get me out of the water.