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mbeach
04-12-2009, 09:24 PM
in case you haven't heard, navy seals took out 3 of the 4 pirates with head shots to free the captain being held hostage. surviving pirate will probably stand trial in the us. i say put him in with some of our finest jailbirds and save us the time and expense of a lengthy trial.

coz
04-12-2009, 09:33 PM
in case you haven't heard, navy seals took out 3 of the 4 pirates with head shots to free the captain being held hostage. surviving pirate will probably stand trial in the us. i say put him in with some of our finest jailbirds and save us the time and expense of a lengthy trial.

A message from America to all pirates :D

http://www.gunpundit.com/2008/m82a1.jpg

It'll be so quick you wont even know what hit you :headbang:

TMCNo1
04-12-2009, 09:52 PM
His getting freed sure is good to hear. We haven't seen the news today and I haven't been to Yahoo News yet either.

h2oskifreak
04-13-2009, 12:45 AM
Glad to see the gentleman free and safe. I hate to sound rough but you cant give these guys ransoms. Most middle east countries don't mess around with hostage takers, they just take them out. It can get a little messy at times but very few problems with high jackers when they know there WILL BE NO OFFERS MADE , only head shots. There is one Iran policy I can get behind.

TOO-TALL
04-13-2009, 01:06 AM
Glad to see the gentleman free and safe. I hate to sound rough but you cant give these guys ransoms. Most middle east countries don't mess around with hostage takers, they just take them out. It can get a little messy at times but very few problems with high jackers when they know there WILL BE NO OFFERS MADE , only head shots. There is one Iran policy I can get behind.

I agree.
I'm glad the captian is safe.Maybe this will send a message to other pirates.
I think what should happen now is we get a unused cargo ship.Paint it up nice and pretty and run it up and down the samalia coast like a duck decoy.....Oh and in the empty cargo containers have sniper's,cannon's and rocket launcher's with are guy's on the trigger's.As soon as the pirates come close to the ship....BAM!!
It would be great training for are guy's and get a few scum bags off the earth.I figure why not kill two birds with one stone.

Just my.02

CantRepeat
04-13-2009, 06:31 AM
I wouldn't call it freed but more of a rescue or snatch mission.

Outstanding news that he is safe and the pirates paid the price. I'm hoping the impact will tell everyone else what to expect should they try again.

flipper
04-13-2009, 07:32 AM
:d

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JimN
04-13-2009, 09:32 AM
I wouldn't call it freed but more of a rescue or snatch mission.

Outstanding news that he is safe and the pirates paid the price. I'm hoping the impact will tell everyone else what to expect should they try again.

Unfortunately, the pirates disagree. From the AP story,

""Every country will be treated the way it treats us. In the future, America will be the one mourning and crying," Abdullahi Lami, one of the pirates holding a Greek ship anchored in the Somali town of Gaan, told The Associated Press on Monday. "We will retaliate (for) the killings of our men.""

The US has sent an envoy to Mogadishu to discuss this issue with a Somali leader. That strikes me as completely useless because the country is generally lawless, the country is basically devoid of resources, they have little to offer that can bring revenue and the government is absolutely impotent. If a leader does or says anything that isn't agreeable to a group who has the means, they risk being removed or killed. Remember 'Blackhawk Down'? When the US sent a small group of forces in, The militants dragged the bodies of the US soldiers through the streets after the chopper was shot down and now we need to ask them to stop this crap? I wouldn't be surprised to read that piracy is the majority of Somalia's GNP. I was going to post that I think Somalia and several other African countries need to be annexed by the surrounding ones so some order can be created but I can't think of any where this exists.

Once again, Muslim extremists are making the world a worse place for everyone else and nobody wants to stand up to them.

bigmac
04-13-2009, 09:54 AM
The problem is that the pirates are holding over 200 hostages at present. I'm sure there are many around the world that are concerned for their safety now. IIRC in all of these acts of piracy, they have never killed a hostage outright (I see, though, that the French lost one during a hostage rescue recently). I hope that doesn't change.

None of that matters much in the global scheme, IMHO. An American's life was in immediate danger and America rescued him. For the pirates now to suggest that we are somehow not playing the game correctly just goes to show how ridiculous this situation has become. At least, if the stakes are upped, maybe the rest of the world will be forced to look at the problem and take action.

CantRepeat
04-13-2009, 10:10 AM
Well, that's issue. If you, the pirates, had not taken to such actions as attacking non hostile ships they would have not come under attack. So to say they will treat other countries the way they have been treated is just BS. Stop attacking ships and it will end.

And I agree, the prirates will be less likely to free anyone they capture from this point on. The US Navy will have a full time job escorting US Flagged ships in these waters now. While not a milita it's what we get paid to do, protect Americans and the interest of America.

mbeach
04-13-2009, 10:18 AM
agree it is not over, but we made a statement just like in the case of omar kadafi. time for the un to grow some kahunas and setup an international escort service off the coast. what i fear is that the pirate scum will use the hostages as shields when boarding future vessels. perhaps blackwater's services could be used onboard the merchant vessels. guarantee the bad guys would not be able to get within range of the shipping lanes. (ok, i know their history but these are trying times and we cannot afford to have events like this conntinue).

CantRepeat
04-13-2009, 11:12 AM
agree it is not over, but we made a statement just like in the case of omar kadafi. time for the un to grow some kahunas and setup an international escort service off the coast. what i fear is that the pirate scum will use the hostages as shields when boarding future vessels. perhaps blackwater's services could be used onboard the merchant vessels. guarantee the bad guys would not be able to get within range of the shipping lanes. (ok, i know their history but these are trying times and we cannot afford to have events like this conntinue).

I believe a private firm to escort the ships is a worthy project. I don't believe BW will persue it as it's not fun to kill people that attack you and then face criminal charges later.

bbymgr
04-13-2009, 11:19 AM
I believe a private firm to escort the ships is a worthy project. I don't believe BW will persue it as it's not fun to kill people that attack you and then face criminal charges later.

FYI......Blackwater already has existing contracts with a few shipping companies, and it's never fun to kill people. You should already know that.

CantRepeat
04-13-2009, 11:28 AM
FYI......Blackwater already has existing contracts with a few shipping companies, and it's never fun to kill people. You should already know that.

It's less fun when they want to charge you with murder. I get much satisfaction when the enemy dies. After losing Soldiers and friends, being shot at and mortared, it doesn't much matter what happens the enemy. The pirates dying for their actions, makes me somewhat happier.

mbeach
04-13-2009, 11:36 AM
FYI......Blackwater already has existing contracts with a few shipping companies, and it's never fun to kill people. You should already know that.

believe me, we already know that but unless i have missed something, we are not the aggressors when it comes to piracy on the high seas. i believe the intent is to defend ourselves by all means possible. merchant vessels have been too easy a target in the past and will be in the future unless decisive corrective (and perhaps drastic) measures are taken. there is no government in somalia and therefore no diplomatic channels.

bigmac
04-13-2009, 11:41 AM
I don't believe BW will persue it as it's not fun to kill people that attack you and then face criminal charges later.

Two sides to that story, isn't there?

bbymgr
04-13-2009, 11:42 AM
It's less fun when they want to charge you with murder. I get much satisfaction when the enemy dies. After losing Soldiers and friends, being shot at and mortared, it doesn't much matter what happens the enemy. The pirates dying for their actions, makes me somewhat happier.

I agree with what you said.......but my satisfaction comes with knowing I'm alive and my country is safer. Don't get me wrong, I've never lost a wink of sleep, I just wouldn't classify pulling a trigger to end someone's life as "Fun".

wakeX2wake
04-13-2009, 11:57 AM
i think a couple of those .50 cal machine guns like you see on the coast guard boats that escort the staten island ferry's would send a clear message... i think a few of those and you could consider that ship defended... and the cost of one of those guns is small potatoes compared to the massive amount of cargo they're hauling

CantRepeat
04-13-2009, 12:10 PM
I agree with what you said.......but my satisfaction comes with knowing I'm alive and my country is safer. Don't get me wrong, I've never lost a wink of sleep, I just wouldn't classify pulling a trigger to end someone's life as "Fun".

It's never fun on a two-way range. Like I said, it's less fun when someone wants to use your storyboard as an ROE violation.

mbeach
04-13-2009, 12:12 PM
i think a couple of those .50 cal machine guns like you see on the coast guard boats that escort the staten island ferry's would send a clear message... i think a few of those and you could consider that ship defended... and the cost of one of those guns is small potatoes compared to the massive amount of cargo they're hauling

not to mention the costs of maintaining a naval presence in the area.

TMCNo1
04-13-2009, 12:21 PM
If Chuck Norris and Jack Bower were on the case, there wouldn't be a pirating problem at all!:rolleyes::D

bbymgr
04-13-2009, 12:32 PM
If Chuck Norris and Jack Bower were on the case, there wouldn't be a pirating problem at all!:rolleyes::D

Come on #1, these are ships in the water, we need Aquaman.

brianpt
04-13-2009, 02:02 PM
i think they should trace those hostages calls send some navyseals in capture those elders and get the rest off the hostages freed i beleave we have the tecnology for that

JimN
04-13-2009, 03:04 PM
The problem is that the pirates are holding over 200 hostages at present. I'm sure there are many around the world that are concerned for their safety now. IIRC in all of these acts of piracy, they have never killed a hostage outright (I see, though, that the French lost one during a hostage rescue recently). I hope that doesn't change.

None of that matters much in the global scheme, IMHO. An American's life was in immediate danger and America rescued him. For the pirates now to suggest that we are somehow not playing the game correctly just goes to show how ridiculous this situation has become. At least, if the stakes are upped, maybe the rest of the world will be forced to look at the problem and take action.

The big problem is that nut jobs like that don't give a rat's azz about anything, other than their warped version of how they think Allah wants them to act. They have no problem stealing food that was meant to feed starving people in their own country and instead, sell it on the black market or jack the price so it either rots or just costs their country too much.

I'd like to know why people seem to want to win the battle of craziness. In two weeks, close to 30 people were killed in hostage situations around the US and that's only what made the news. These AA-holes have been allowed to remain breathing for far too long and it's time they were stopped. It's time to arm merchant ships to the teeth and place mercenaries on board for protection.

JimN
04-13-2009, 03:08 PM
i think a couple of those .50 cal machine guns like you see on the coast guard boats that escort the staten island ferry's would send a clear message... i think a few of those and you could consider that ship defended... and the cost of one of those guns is small potatoes compared to the massive amount of cargo they're hauling

.50 cal is nice but when the pirates are firing RPGs at them, it's time to hit the deck.

shepherd
04-13-2009, 04:07 PM
i think they should trace those hostages calls send some navyseals in capture those elders and get the rest off the hostages freed i beleave we have the tecnology for that

why should they do that those hoostages are not Amercan sitizens let their own navyseals rescooe them

brianpt
04-13-2009, 07:10 PM
hase tey should but those pirates are evrybody problem and they are diferent than terorist theyre just thief without a cause led by ther trible elders .and two off those gatling gun on each side off the ship would take care off any pirate including rpg

shepherd
04-13-2009, 07:18 PM
i'm a taxpayer do you know how much those armor-peercing rounds cost? the ship owners should buy there own guns and hire mersennaries to defend there ships at their own expence wait i noticed your from canada are you talking about canadian seals? then go for it ! :D

TX.X-30 fan
04-13-2009, 07:22 PM
i think they should trace those hostages calls send some navyseals in capture those elders and get the rest off the hostages freed i beleave we have the tecnology for that

why should they do that those hoostages are not Amercan sitizens let their own navyseals rescooe them

hase tey should but those pirates are evrybody problem and they are diferent than terorist theyre just thief without a cause led by ther trible elders .and two off those gatling gun on each side off the ship would take care off any pirate including rpg








Got a tear on that one Shep. 46149 46149

TX.X-30 fan
04-13-2009, 07:24 PM
i'm a taxpayer do you know how much those armor-peercing rounds cost? the ship owners should buy there own guns and hire mersennaries to defend there ships at their own expence wait i noticed your from canada are you talking about canadian seals? then go for it ! :D




On a roll and a little canada bashing for desert. :D

j2nh
04-13-2009, 09:32 PM
Bringing it back on topic I think there is a problem with merchant vessels being armed under maritime law. Can you imagine merchant vessels sailing into any port with armed sailors on board?
The answer lies with the Somalian Government controlling its population and if they can't letting the navies of the world protect free trade on the high seas. Pretty sure China, US, France and maybe Great Britain all have a navel presence in the area. Get organized, run protected convoys and ultimately make the price of taking and ransoming ships and crews unprofitable and well, unhealthy. Maybe the small ports these pirate boats sail from just disappear in the middle of the night.

Somalia has to be one of the most messed up places on the planet and in todays world that is saying a lot.

shepherd
04-13-2009, 09:40 PM
On a roll and a little canada bashing for desert. :D

No Canada bashing intended at all. My mother is from Canada - she grew up in the province of Michigan :D. I'm just having a litlle fun with the dude, no offense was intended and I hope he sees it that way. I just thought it strange that a non-American was calling for the SEALs to move in, unless the Canadian Navy has their own SEALs and that was what he was talking about. From what I understand, this particular ship was the first American-flagged vessel captured and our Navy made the appropriate response. Let the other countries protect their own ships. I'm sure they have the means. Didn't the French Navy rescue one of theirs?

shepherd
04-13-2009, 09:51 PM
Bringing it back on topic I think there is a problem with merchant vessels being armed under maritime law. Can you imagine merchant vessels sailing into any port with armed sailors on board?
The answer lies with the Somalian Government controlling its population and if they can't letting the navies of the world protect free trade on the high seas. Pretty sure China, US, France and maybe Great Britain all have a navel presence in the area. Get organized, run protected convoys and ultimately make the price of taking and ransoming ships and crews unprofitable and well, unhealthy. Maybe the small ports these pirate boats sail from just disappear in the middle of the night.

Somalia has to be one of the most messed up places on the planet and in todays world that is saying a lot.

There is no problem with merchant ships arming themselves. They have done so throughout history.

How did this country deal with the Barbary Pirates in the early 19th century? They sent in the Marines. Maybe an invasion of Somali is not the best solution, especially since, with one exception so far, no American ships have been attacked. If those false heroes in Somalia decide to escalate their attacks on American ships in retaliation, I would hope our Government would react accordingly.

brianpt
04-14-2009, 12:27 AM
no ofence tacking but all are guys all 2600 off them are busy in afganistan.and i beleave we got a few ship runing around after those pirates and doing a good job and they might already doing something they are so secretive im not sure what there called black berays or somthing and in the 1900 century they went around them those pirates are costing evrybody big bucks im sure those battle ships beign tide up after those pirate for five days cost more than the ransom they were loking for and france did it twice freed there hostige great and they got rusion hostigaes to remember taht big oiltanker they got im just saying its evry country problem and should get together

TMCNo1
04-14-2009, 06:44 AM
Rod is that you again?

bbymgr
04-14-2009, 07:28 AM
no ofence tacking but all are guys all 2600 off them are busy in afganistan.and i beleave we got a few ship runing around after those pirates and doing a good job and they might already doing something they are so secretive im not sure what there called black berays or somthing and in the 1900 century they went around them those pirates are costing evrybody big bucks im sure those battle ships beign tide up after those pirate for five days cost more than the ransom they were loking for and france did it twice freed there hostige great and they got rusion hostigaes to remember taht big oiltanker they got im just saying its evry country problem and should get together

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CantRepeat
04-14-2009, 08:00 AM
im just saying its evry country problem and should get together

And so are muslim extremist yet the US has the fight and is getting beat down by so many other countries for taking the fight to them. I know everyone wants to say WWI and WWII are history, but if you don't learn from history you will repeat it.

And for the rest of you people on this guys language issues, I bet he speaks English better then you speak French so give it a rest. Discrimination based on National Origin is BS, unless you are pirate!!! ARRRRG.

TMCNo1
04-14-2009, 08:11 AM
According to the news, three more ships were taken over by pirates yesterday/last night. We'll see how this all plays out now.

Undeterred Somali pirates hijack 3 more ships (AP) (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/rss/topstories/*http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090414/ap_on_re_af/piracy)
AP - Undeterred by U.S. and French hostage rescues that killed seven bandits, Somali pirates brazenly hijacked three more ships in the Gulf of Aden, the waterway that's become the focal point of the world's fight against piracy.

bbymgr
04-14-2009, 08:21 AM
And so are muslim extremist yet the US has the fight and is getting beat down by so many other countries for taking the fight to them. I know everyone wants to say WWI and WWII are history, but if you don't learn from history you will repeat it.

And for the rest of you people on this guys language issues, I bet he speaks English better then you speak French so give it a rest. Discrimination based on National Origin is BS, unless you are pirate!!! ARRRRG.

I didn't know his English was bad and thought it might have been one crazy long run on. Your right.....I don't speak French.........and I'm ok with that, so what don't I do?.........I don't go posting on French chat rooms, but that's just me.:rolleyes::rolleyes:

mbeach
04-14-2009, 09:32 AM
concerning the three additional seized shipps, some people never learn and like one poster stated they expect the us to be the protectors of the world as long as we use politically correct means. we have the ways and means to protect our own, but come on protect the rest of the world and then take international criticism if we were a bit to harsh. i also wonder why we had to ask obama's permission to take out hostiles who posed an imminent threat to a us citizen. our own domestic law enforcement folks have the authority to use lethal force at their discretion according to certain protocols. why should a us citizen being held hostage with a gun at his head on the high seas in international waters have to suffer more stringent standards. i know, we do not want to provoke an international incident.

Covi
04-14-2009, 09:54 AM
I live 15 miles from Capt. Phillips home in Underhill. We Vermonters are happy that he was freed. Shot to kill!

flipper
04-14-2009, 10:20 AM
I didn't know his English was bad and thought it might have been one crazy long run on. Your right.....I don't speak French.........and I'm ok with that, so what don't I do?.........I don't go posting on French chat rooms, but that's just me.:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Could ya stay away from the english speaking ones too?:D

TX.X-30 fan
04-14-2009, 10:29 AM
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Sounds like a Florida Gahtah to me. :D

bbymgr
04-14-2009, 10:37 AM
Could ya stay away from the english speaking ones too?:D


When I enter Team Talk, do I need to push 1 for Spanish?:D:D

CantRepeat
04-14-2009, 10:39 AM
When I enter Team Talk, do I need to push 1 for Spanish?:D:D

I was gonna do that one first but thought the other one was more lol worthy. :)

Maristar210
04-14-2009, 11:59 AM
"We didn't take this **** when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor and we're not going to stand for it now"

flipper
04-14-2009, 12:09 PM
Buger......

TMCNo1
04-14-2009, 12:09 PM
"We didn't take this **** when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor and we're not going to stand for it now"

I sure am glad they found those Civil War airplanes to fight back with!:rolleyes::D

CantRepeat
04-14-2009, 12:17 PM
"We didn't take this **** when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor and we're not going to stand for it now"

When the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor most males joined the service to do something about it. The Navy enlistment office is just down the street, I would suggest you go see them.

JimN
04-14-2009, 12:25 PM
When the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor most males joined the service to do something about it. The Navy enlistment office is just down the street, I would suggest you go see them.

You haven't seen Animal House, have you?

FYI- the GERMANS never bombed Pearl Harbor.

CantRepeat
04-14-2009, 12:32 PM
You haven't seen Animal House, have you?

FYI- the GERMANS never bombed Pearl Harbor.

That was my entire point.

Maristar210
04-14-2009, 12:56 PM
When the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor most males joined the service to do something about it. The Navy enlistment office is just down the street, I would suggest you go see them.

It was a movie quote tough guy. Relax .......

Maristar210
04-14-2009, 12:57 PM
That was my entire point.

They aint too smart in Alabama now is they?

CoorsLight
04-14-2009, 12:58 PM
I could swear I hear a banjo playing....

Quint
04-14-2009, 01:02 PM
Da da ling ding ding ding ding

ROLL TIDE

mbeach
04-14-2009, 01:07 PM
shore has got him a pretty mouth.

Maristar210
04-14-2009, 01:46 PM
Sodar's foul languaged PM's forthcoming ???

Ric
04-14-2009, 01:49 PM
I live 15 miles from Capt. Phillips home in Underhill. We Vermonters are happy that he was freed. Shot to kill!
I once charged my entire vacation to the underhill account

Sodar
04-14-2009, 01:52 PM
Does anyone see where frustration would stem from?

flipper
04-14-2009, 01:53 PM
childhood?

Sodar
04-14-2009, 01:56 PM
childhood?

Phone numbers, evidently! :confused:

Ric
04-14-2009, 01:57 PM
And so are muslim extremist yet the US has the fight and is getting beat down by so many other countries for taking the fight to them. I know everyone wants to say WWI and WWII are history, but if you don't learn from history you will repeat it.

And for the rest of you people on this guys language issues, I bet he speaks English better then you speak French so give it a rest. Discrimination based on National Origin is BS, unless you are pirate!!! ARRRRG.
okay, but there is one exception... That andre guy from canada?? all bets are off. He's fair game here

flipper
04-14-2009, 02:00 PM
Phone numbers, evidently! :confused:

:uglyhamme:uglyhamme

flipper
04-14-2009, 02:01 PM
okay, but there is one exception... That andre guy from canada?? all bets are off. He's fair game here

sammich man too

Sodar
04-14-2009, 02:01 PM
Igloos.... the home of choice for Andre and Prammy.

flipper
04-14-2009, 02:10 PM
Igloos.... the home of choice for Andre and Prammy.

The same one?

Sodar
04-14-2009, 02:14 PM
The same one?

Possibly? Weirder things have happened. Maybe the whole prop 8 thing we voted on was really for Canada, not California? That whole CA thing has gotten me confused before.

http://www.tapmag.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/now_its_up_to_you.jpg

flipper
04-14-2009, 02:17 PM
hmmmm, I like your way of thinking

TX.X-30 fan
04-14-2009, 04:01 PM
Who said I bet they haven't hijacked any Israeli ships, that was good.

Tell this human debris to release prisoners or we kill you, your family, aunts, uncles, neighbors, elemetary school teachers everyone you know.

ShamrockIV
04-14-2009, 04:07 PM
max range rpg 7 = 920 meters
max range m2 .50 cal machine gun = 1800 meters(from tripod)

do the math

did ya'll say canadian seals???? lol

CantRepeat
04-14-2009, 04:38 PM
nvm +1 to the ignore list, what make that 2.

TX.X-30 fan
04-14-2009, 05:51 PM
nvm +1 to the ignore list, what make that 2.





I need to bone up on my caveman. :confused:

flipper
04-14-2009, 05:57 PM
Who's nvm? Who's going to be 2?

TX.X-30 fan
04-14-2009, 06:11 PM
Who's nvm? Who's going to be 2?




Who's on first I believe.

Sodar
04-14-2009, 06:37 PM
Pirates... those are bad!

TMCNo1
04-14-2009, 07:11 PM
I could swear I hear a banjo playing....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_D5-jztHEs

TX.X-30 fan
04-14-2009, 07:12 PM
More ships taken today, Its comical that these dreadlock misfits can stop a container ship in a wooden skiff.

Is this what the world has come to? kill all of them twice.

JohnE
04-14-2009, 07:42 PM
Me!

I am sorry to say that none of my posts will be read by 92Maristar any longer. According to my new buddy, I am stalking him and he has too much power over me. Sounds like a jacked up gay porno to me, but if it is his fantasy than I will let it be!

He might see it now.:D

Stop picking on him. Or else he'll go higher up the ladder and tell on you.

CantRepeat
04-14-2009, 08:18 PM
I am a whiner!!!

JohnE
04-14-2009, 08:29 PM
Like clockwork. But you can't add a moderator to the ignore list. That's to bad because you're a fine model of what Team Talk leadership should be.

I'lll say this. Nobody has contributed in a positive way more than Sodar has. And he and I have had our differences occasionally.

Perhaps you'd be better served by taking all your complaining to a different site.

We've managed all these years just fine without your contibutions.

Cloaked
04-14-2009, 08:40 PM
I'lll say this. Nobody has contributed in a positive way more than Sodar has. And he and I have had our differences occasionally.

Perhaps you'd be better served by taking all your complaining to a different site.

We've managed all these years just fine without your contibutions.Well stated.

Nothing personal to anyone, just well stated.

TX.X-30 fan
04-14-2009, 09:30 PM
What would the Ambassador think??

JohnE
04-14-2009, 09:35 PM
What would the Ambassador think??

The Ambassador would have slapped someone around a long time ago.

Maristar210
04-14-2009, 10:30 PM
Holy crap


I need to slop in here........

mbeach
04-14-2009, 11:10 PM
considering the number or pirated vessels in the last 2 days, the pirates still do not get the message and why should they since they do not feel threatened. still say a private security force would be the ticket. they could be deployed aboard the vessels and have the assets to detect and destroy threats before they are within range. anyone notice the un has not weighed in on this matter. guess they are too busy with north korea telling them to shove it.

shepherd
04-14-2009, 11:14 PM
max range rpg 7 = 920 meters
max range m2 .50 cal machine gun = 1800 meters(from tripod)

do the math

did ya'll say canadian seals???? lol

Even without that advantage. I doubt that an rpg could sink one of those ships - unless maybe if they made multiple hits on or below the waterline. One burst from a .50 cal could probably sink one of those pirate dinghys.

Canadian SEALs? Maybe not, but I bet they have their own special forces that can kick some major butt, as well as take some head shots at night through a lifeboat window. Hell, even France has that! (Am I out of the Canada-bashers club now?).

shepherd
04-14-2009, 11:16 PM
Dang, there are some smart people on this forum. When I become President, you all can be in my cabinet.

JimN
04-15-2009, 12:31 AM
"http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090415/wl_nm/us_somalia_piracy_107"

More guts than brains.

JimN
04-15-2009, 12:31 AM
Dang, there are some smart people on this forum. When I become President, you all can be in my cabinet.

Think we'll all fit?

brianpt
04-15-2009, 12:33 AM
i just heard another american ship was atackted. this time they just shot it up .guess the baign ship is on its way back to look for them

CantRepeat
04-15-2009, 04:40 AM
Well stated.

Nothing personal to anyone, just well stated.

Then I guess I'm just having a difference with him is all.

CantRepeat
04-15-2009, 04:41 AM
I am a whiner!!!

Nice edit Sodar.

shepherd
04-15-2009, 09:08 AM
i just heard another american ship was atackted. this time they just shot it up .guess the baign ship is on its way back to look for them

are you texting your posts from a cell phone i noticed you used a couple periods this time what is a baign ship?

flipper
04-15-2009, 09:38 AM
I'lll say this. Nobody has contributed in a positive way more than Sodar has. And he and I have had our differences occasionally.

Perhaps you'd be better served by taking all your complaining to a different site.

We've managed all these years just fine without your contibutions.

Oh bull!!!! BAN SODAR!!!!!

TMCNo1
04-15-2009, 09:40 AM
are you texting your posts from a cell phone i noticed you used a couple periods this time what is a baign ship?

Shep, looks like well just have to live with it. I clicked quote and when it popped up, Spell Check couldn't even suggest any words that made sense, then a window came up that said, "Spell Check is out of here"!:rolleyes::D

JimN
04-15-2009, 10:54 AM
Shep, looks like well just have to live with it. I clicked quote and when it popped up, Spell Check couldn't even suggest any words that made sense, then a window came up that said, "Spell Check is out of here"!:rolleyes::D

What word were you trying to use?

shepherd
04-15-2009, 11:06 AM
What word were you trying to use?

baign

It doesn't bother me, I think his posts are funny and I'm just poking fun at him. I just keep picturing the guy driving down the road while browsing TeamTalk and posting on his iPhone.

TX.X-30 fan
04-15-2009, 12:21 PM
Texting is gey.

scott023
04-15-2009, 12:25 PM
Texting is gey.

Stu, you should use spell check before you post... I don't think "gey" is a word. :D

flipper
04-15-2009, 12:26 PM
That's just how they say it in texass. He was sounding it out. Good job stuey, you're getting better

TX.X-30 fan
04-15-2009, 12:38 PM
Texting is ghay??

scott023
04-15-2009, 12:43 PM
Texting is ghay??

Stu, how about "texting is Ellen Degeneres"? Might be easier.:D

TX.X-30 fan
04-15-2009, 12:47 PM
Stu, how about "texting is Ellen Degeneres"? Might be easier.:D




Good point......... :D

shepherd
04-15-2009, 02:52 PM
what about sexting?

scott023
04-15-2009, 02:54 PM
what about sexting?

Now, phone secs is one thing... sexting is messed up.

TX.X-30 fan
04-15-2009, 02:55 PM
what about sexting?





From you I will pass. :( Check with Flipper or Prambold though. :D

Sodar
04-15-2009, 03:47 PM
46193

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bcampbe7
04-15-2009, 03:48 PM
What a bunch of whiners!

mbeach
04-16-2009, 01:06 PM
all those will work sodar. is the sniper rifle a 50 cal barrett or a 308?

CantRepeat
04-16-2009, 01:34 PM
The casings on the deck are .50 so I'm pretty sure it's a Barrett.

ShamrockIV
04-16-2009, 05:14 PM
all those will work sodar. is the sniper rifle a 50 cal barrett or a 308?

308????
seriously bro??
that's a barrett .50 cal
makes a 308 look like a 22

there is not much that 456 grams of lead wont fix.

TX.X-30 fan
04-16-2009, 05:23 PM
The pirates need to all be "fixed" in the same manor.

bigmac
04-16-2009, 05:43 PM
all those will work sodar. is the sniper rifle a 50 cal barrett or a 308?

That's clearly a Barrett, but the Barrett is mostly a long-range anti-materiel weapon, not so much for anti-personnel. Those SEALs likely used a .308 (whatever the Navy variant of the Remington R700 is...M20?, M24?) sniper rifle. However, most of those special operators can use whatever weapons they want, so no telling.

TX.X-30 fan
04-16-2009, 05:46 PM
That cleared it all up for me. :rolleyes:

CantRepeat
04-16-2009, 06:02 PM
That's clearly a Barrett, but the Barrett is mostly a long-range anti-materiel weapon, not so much for anti-personnel. Those SEALs likely used a .308 (whatever the Navy variant of the Remington R700 is...M20?, M24?) sniper rifle. However, most of those special operators can use whatever weapons they want, so no telling.

I watch one of my scout snipers split a guy in half with a .50 from the top of a concrete factory in Iraq. The MAM was trying to recover an IED that didn't go off. Garza was a hell-of-a Soldier and a great sniper of course.

bigmac
04-16-2009, 06:55 PM
I watch one of my scout snipers split a guy in half with a .50 from the top of a concrete factory in Iraq. The MAM was trying to recover an IED that didn't go off. Garza was a hell-of-a Soldier and a great sniper of course.
Not that it can't be used to kill people instead of cracking engine blocks, but out in the open, seems a little much for a 30 meter shot, and I'm not sure about the practicality of a HALO/HAHO jump into the sea with 50 lbs of sniper sniper rifle and accoutrements in a drop bag if some other weapon were suitable. I wouldn't think it would a Navy SEAL's first choice in that scenario, but who knows?

Covi
04-16-2009, 07:22 PM
I Just drove by Capt. Phillips house. The Underhill corner store just put up a Welcome home banner made by the school kids. Media was filming it as I drove by. I bet It's about to get real busy again in the next couple of days.

CantRepeat
04-16-2009, 07:36 PM
Not that it can't be used to kill people instead of cracking engine blocks, but out in the open, seems a little much for a 30 meter shot, and I'm not sure about the practicality of a HALO/HAHO jump into the sea with 50 lbs of sniper sniper rifle and accoutrements in a drop bag if some other weapon were suitable. I wouldn't think it would a Navy SEAL's first choice in that scenario, but who knows?

I was also wondering the what type of insertion the team use to get aboard the ship. Did it ssay that they jump to the ship? I would think fast rope or basket.

TX.X-30 fan
04-16-2009, 08:28 PM
They said they jumped from a helicopter.

bigmac
04-17-2009, 09:39 AM
I was also wondering the what type of insertion the team use to get aboard the ship. Did it ssay that they jump to the ship? I would think fast rope or basket.

The whole thing is open to question. There is some speculation that SEALs were approaching the lifeboat in a Seal Delivery Vehicle from the water with the plan of making the lifeboat founder, all being dropped from a C130, but events proceeded, Phillips life was in immediate danger, and the captain of the Bainbridge ordered his own snipers to take the shot. We will probably never know. A certain amount of confusion and misdirection about the actual tactics used would certainly be prudent in the event the scenario ever comes up again.

Read this

http://senseofevents.blogspot.com/2009/04/did-navy-seals-board-pirate-boat-before.html

JimN
04-17-2009, 09:52 AM
I don't think how they took out the pirates really matters, as long as they get the message that we can take them out if, when and how we want. If they learn that this is possible and they can't do anything about it, it makes their mission harder to complete and eventually, taking ships and crews will be pointless. Unfortunately, they will probably take this as a sign that their best plan is to blow the ships up first and send a message that if they aren't paid well, they'll keep doing it. If they need to use suicide bombers, they probably will and the USS Cole is a good example of what they could do.

CantRepeat
04-17-2009, 10:09 AM
I was going to mention how terribly difficult it might be to jump from anything and land on a moving ship with so many obstacles on it. Like many of you, I've watch guys in The Best Ranger competition land on a one meter circle. Just think if you were off a bit and ended up in the ocean. Now you have Irene all over again. There are so many things to land on that are not soft on a ship. But, I'm sure if the mission dictated that Seals jump and land on a ship these guys would just do it.

I'm sure exact details of the mission wont be released. Like bigmac says, you never know when this mission will repeat itself.

shepherd
04-17-2009, 10:14 AM
They're bringing back the one surviving pirate for trial in the U.S. What a crock. I can't imagine what this is going to cost us taxpayers. 200 years ago, he would have been hanged on the spot.

JimN
04-17-2009, 10:15 AM
I was going to mention how terribly difficult it might be to jump from anything and land on a moving ship with so many obstacles on it. Like many of you, I've watch guys in The Best Ranger competition land on a one meter circle. Just think if you were off a bit and ended up in the ocean. Now you have Irene all over again. There are so many things to land on that are not soft on a ship. But, I'm sure if the mission dictated that Seals jump and land on a ship these guys would just do it.

I'm sure exact details of the mission wont be released. Like bigmac says, you never know when this mission will repeat itself.

I don't think the details should be made public, but I'm sure some idiot who's "speaking on condition of anonymity because they aren't authorized to speak to the press" will blab about it. That kind of comment, specifically for the purpose of mis-direction is fine but unless we know exactly what happened, we won't know if this is the case.

As I posted- I'm OK if the pirates get the message that they can be taken out at our convenience.

JimN
04-17-2009, 10:17 AM
They're bringing back the one surviving pirate for trial in the U.S. What a crock. I can't imagine what this is going to cost us taxpayers. 200 years ago, he would have been hanged on the spot.

I'm pretty sure they would have just tossed him overboard back then.

CantRepeat
04-17-2009, 10:24 AM
I'm pretty sure they would have just tossed him overboard back then.

Um, chum is good.

TX.X-30 fan
04-17-2009, 11:00 AM
Europeans reporters say this is the worst thing we could have done, and the ships should not be armed that it would only make it worse. Hillary says we need to spend billions in aid to rebuild the country again and they would stop and play nice again.

Lets try appeasement, it worked so well before the Germans invaded Poland.

JimN
04-17-2009, 11:51 AM
Europeans reporters say this is the worst thing we could have done, and the ships should not be armed that it would only make it worse. Hillary says we need to spend billions in aid to rebuild the country again and they would stop and play nice again.

Lets try appeasement, it worked so well before the Germans invaded Poland.

Hillary can spend her own damn money. If she wants to go around the rest of the World on a fundraising mission, let her but the US DOES NOT NEED TO PAY FOR EVERY OTHER COUNTRY'S PROBLEMS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If the UN hadn't been made impotent, it could be a good way to deal with this crap but at this point, it's about as useful as norbies on a bull, if you know what I mean. A large force needs to go in, take over and kick the crap out of the militants but it will be bloody, expensive and bad for the locals who just want to exist. As bad as things are there, there's no way to call it 'living' but the way the Somalis operate, it won't matter who goes in, they'll all have targets on their shirts.

Since when are the opinions of European reporters important? Maybe they could have come up with a better solution. If they have a better idea, send them in to deal with it. Until then, they should STFU.

Honestly, I don't think it would have mattered what the US did because in their eyes, it would have been wrong. If the Capt had been killed, we would be accused of letting it happen. If he had escaped, he would have been called a coward and if he had taken them out himself, he would have been called a loose cannon or a typical American Cowboy.

shepherd
04-17-2009, 12:02 PM
You can be my Secretary of State. Or would you prefer SECDEF?

TX.X-30 fan
04-17-2009, 12:12 PM
JimN can handle both jobs and still help me with my stereo install.



Excellent points JimN

JimN
04-17-2009, 12:26 PM
You just want to use explosives to form the speaker holes.

JimN
04-17-2009, 12:35 PM
From Wiki:

"In the early years of the Republic, the Vice President would be whoever had the second highest electoral votes, and could be from a different political party from the President. The Secretary of State as a member of the same political party as the President, was therefore often viewed as the natural stepping-stone to the Presidency. This also concerns me. If Biden takes a dirt nap or is incapacitated in any way, Pelosi is next in line, although the POTUS would probably appoint someone as the replacement VP. Still, it would be possible to appoint Hillary to that position. Then, when she has Obama killed, she steps in as the POTUS, and we'll all be COMPLETELY screwed.

Also, note that this shows Republic, which the US really isn't, anymore.

Wiki link- http://www.dkosopedia.com/wiki/United_States_Secretary_of_State

I don't see anything in there about the Secy of State making sure other countries get aid but I do see where that position exists for the best interest of the US.

mbeach
04-17-2009, 01:34 PM
They're bringing back the one surviving pirate for trial in the U.S. What a crock. I can't imagine what this is going to cost us taxpayers. 200 years ago, he would have been hanged on the spot.

a big amen to that. based upon the current political climate with respect to gitmo, we will be sure this trash's civil rights are not violated and he is comfortable. excuse me but this scum is not an american citizen but is a criminal and therefore has no rights. easiest thing would have been to squeeze off one more round.

JimN
04-17-2009, 06:17 PM
a big amen to that. based upon the current political climate with respect to gitmo, we will be sure this trash's civil rights are not violated and he is comfortable. excuse me but this scum is not an american citizen but is a criminal and therefore has no rights. easiest thing would have been to squeeze off one more round.

The rights are for anyone here but this didn't happen here and it wasn't at an embassy which, IIRC, is the extent of US "soil", other than military bases. If someone can correct me, feel free. This happened on the high seas and in international water, on a Danish ship that was flying a US flag. Why they were flying a US flag escapes me, seeing how "the rest of the world hates us". I don't know whose jurisdiction this falls under but I didn't think it was American. If Hillary wants him to have every legal right possible, she should go to Somalia and defend him, herself. They killed our soldiers and dragged them through the streets. Maybe we should do the same.

Sorry, that would be stooping to their level and we're so much better than that, everyone should hold us in high regard.

TX.X-30 fan
04-17-2009, 06:42 PM
I thought these pirate cases were considered crimes against humanity or sum such definition. No way do these people deserve any form of constitutional rights that are granted to our citizens. There seems to be no stomach on the planet anymore to deal with crime like these including radical islamic terror. Our leader tells the world we are not at war with islam, well then islam needs to rain in the growing number of jihadists within its religion.

Can you imagine a bomber taking down a plane and claiming it in the name of Jesus? Christians around the world would shout to the heavens that this nut is not part of our religion. Do we hear that from the muslims, a few times but never with any real conviction.

Covi
04-17-2009, 07:09 PM
I'd put my foot on his back and kick him over for shark food. Or a good ol' fashion stoning will do!!!

JimN
04-17-2009, 07:40 PM
I thought these pirate cases were considered crimes against humanity or sum such definition. No way do these people deserve any form of constitutional rights that are granted to our citizens. There seems to be no stomach on the planet anymore to deal with crime like these including radical islamic terror. Our leader tells the world we are not at war with islam, well then islam needs to rain in the growing number of jihadists within its religion.

Can you imagine a bomber taking down a plane and claiming it in the name of Jesus? Christians around the world would shout to the heavens that this nut is not part of our religion. Do we hear that from the muslims, a few times but never with any real conviction.

The problem is that if Muslims turn against the extremists, they become infidels and the extremists get an automatic pass for putting a fatwah on the ones who "turned against their Musim brothers".

BHO saying that we're not at war with Islam is just to keep from pizzing off the mainstream Muslims, which would run the risk of them going off the deep end, as well. Thomas Jefferson had a copy of the Q'ran and if you know the part in 'Battle Hymn of The Republic', the referral to Tripoli has to do with piracy and kidnappings that were happening along the Barbary Coast and he got that copy so he could understand the Muslims. He had some very definite views on how they should be dealt with and it showed when the US Marines went up against the pirates. The Marines won. We need to deal with them the same way now and make it clear that if anyone wants to screw with the US, they will be dealt with accordingly.

Oh, wait! The azzpipes we have in power wants to be everyone's friend and sing Kumbayah. Sorry, I guess we'll just have to invite them over for cake and coffee.

TX.X-30 fan
04-17-2009, 08:49 PM
I have only a close friends word on this, so judge for yourself I do not vouch for its validity.
One thing I am certain of though its most likely better than NBC's version.


AH, now it comes out

Having spoken to some SEAL pals here in Virginia Beach yesterday and asking why this thing dragged out for 4 days, I got the following:

1. BHO wouldn't authorize the DEVGRU/NSWC SEAL teams to the scene for 36 hours going against OSC (on scene commander) recommendation.

2. Once they arrived, BHO imposed restrictions on their ROE that they couldn't do anything unless the hostage's life was in "imminent" danger

3. The first time the hostage jumped, the SEALS had the raggies all sighted in, but could not fire due to ROE restriction


4. When the navy RIB came under fire as it approached with supplies, no fire was returned due to ROE restrictions. As the raggies were shooting at the RIB, they were exposed and the SEALS had them all dialed in.


5. BHO specifically denied two rescue plans developed by the Bainbridge CPN and SEAL teams


6. Bainbridge CPN and SEAL team CDR finally decide they have the OpArea and OSC authority to solely determine risk to hostage. 4 hours later, 3 dead raggies


7. BHO immediately claims credit for his "daring and decisive" behaviour. As usual with him, it's BS.

So per our last email thread, I'm downgrading Oohbaby's performace to D-. Only reason it's not an F is that the hostage survived.

Read the following accurate account.

Philips’ first leap into the warm, dark water of the Indian Ocean hadn’t worked out as well. With the
Bainbridge in range and a rescue by his country’s Navy possible, Philips threw himself off of his
lifeboat prison, enabling Navy shooters onboard the destroyer a clear shot at his captors — and none
was taken.

The guidance from National Command Authority — the president of the United States,
Barack Obama — had been clear: a peaceful solution was the only acceptable outcome to this standoff
unless the hostage’s life was in clear, extreme danger.


The next day, a small Navy boat approaching the floating raft was fired on by the Somali pirates — and
again no fire was returned and no pirates killed. This was again due to the cautious stance assumed by
Navy personnel thanks to the combination of a lack of clear guidance from Washington and a mandate
from the commander in chief’s staff not to act until Obama, a man with no background of dealing with
such issues and no track record of decisiveness, decided that any outcome other than a “peaceful
solution” would be acceptable.


After taking fire from the Somali kidnappers again Saturday night, the onscenecommander decided
he’d had enough.

Keeping his authority to act in the case of a clear and present danger to the hostage’s
life and having heard nothing from Washington since yet another request to mount a rescue operation
had been denied the day before, the Navy officer — unnamed in all media reports to date — decided
the AK47 one captor had leveled at Philips’ back was a threat to the hostage’s life and ordered the
NSWC team to take their shots.


Three rounds downrange later, all three brigands became enemy KIA and Philips was safe.


There is upside, downside, and spinside to the series of events over the last week that culminated in
yesterday’s dramatic rescue of an American hostage.


Almost immediately following word of the rescue, the Obama administration and its supporters claimed
victory against pirates in the Indian Ocean and [1] declared that the dramatic end to the standoff put
paid to questions of the inexperienced president’s toughness and decisiveness.


Despite the Obama administration’s (and its sycophants’) attempt to spin yesterday’s success as a result
of bold, decisive leadership by the inexperienced president, the reality is nothing of the sort.

What should have been a standoff lasting only hours — as long as it took the USS Bainbridge and its
team of NSWC operators to steam to the location — became an embarrassing four day and counting
standoff between a ragtag handful of criminals with rifles and a U.S. Navy warship.

bbymgr
04-17-2009, 11:52 PM
I have only a close friends word on this, so judge for yourself I do not vouge for its validity.
One thing I am certain of though its most likely better than NBC's version.


AH, now it comes out

Having spoken to some SEAL pals here in Virginia Beach yesterday and asking why this thing dragged out for 4 days, I got the following:

1. BHO wouldn't authorize the DEVGRU/NSWC SEAL teams to the scene for 36 hours going against OSC (on scene commander) recommendation.

2. Once they arrived, BHO imposed restrictions on their ROE that they couldn't do anything unless the hostage's life was in "imminent" danger

3. The first time the hostage jumped, the SEALS had the raggies all sighted in, but could not fire due to ROE restriction


4. When the navy RIB came under fire as it approached with supplies, no fire was returned due to ROE restrictions. As the raggies were shooting at the RIB, they were exposed and the SEALS had them all dialed in.


5. BHO specifically denied two rescue plans developed by the Bainbridge CPN and SEAL teams


6. Bainbridge CPN and SEAL team CDR finally decide they have the OpArea and OSC authority to solely determine risk to hostage. 4 hours later, 3 dead raggies


7. BHO immediately claims credit for his "daring and decisive" behaviour. As usual with him, it's BS.

So per our last email thread, I'm downgrading Oohbaby's performace to D-. Only reason it's not an F is that the hostage survived.

Read the following accurate account.

Philips’ first leap into the warm, dark water of the Indian Ocean hadn’t worked out as well. With the
Bainbridge in range and a rescue by his country’s Navy possible, Philips threw himself off of his
lifeboat prison, enabling Navy shooters onboard the destroyer a clear shot at his captors — and none
was taken.

The guidance from National Command Authority — the president of the United States,
Barack Obama — had been clear: a peaceful solution was the only acceptable outcome to this standoff
unless the hostage’s life was in clear, extreme danger.


The next day, a small Navy boat approaching the floating raft was fired on by the Somali pirates — and
again no fire was returned and no pirates killed. This was again due to the cautious stance assumed by
Navy personnel thanks to the combination of a lack of clear guidance from Washington and a mandate
from the commander in chief’s staff not to act until Obama, a man with no background of dealing with
such issues and no track record of decisiveness, decided that any outcome other than a “peaceful
solution” would be acceptable.


After taking fire from the Somali kidnappers again Saturday night, the onscenecommander decided
he’d had enough.

Keeping his authority to act in the case of a clear and present danger to the hostage’s
life and having heard nothing from Washington since yet another request to mount a rescue operation
had been denied the day before, the Navy officer — unnamed in all media reports to date — decided
the AK47 one captor had leveled at Philips’ back was a threat to the hostage’s life and ordered the
NSWC team to take their shots.


Three rounds downrange later, all three brigands became enemy KIA and Philips was safe.


There is upside, downside, and spinside to the series of events over the last week that culminated in
yesterday’s dramatic rescue of an American hostage.


Almost immediately following word of the rescue, the Obama administration and its supporters claimed
victory against pirates in the Indian Ocean and [1] declared that the dramatic end to the standoff put
paid to questions of the inexperienced president’s toughness and decisiveness.


Despite the Obama administration’s (and its sycophants’) attempt to spin yesterday’s success as a result
of bold, decisive leadership by the inexperienced president, the reality is nothing of the sort.

What should have been a standoff lasting only hours — as long as it took the USS Bainbridge and its
team of NSWC operators to steam to the location — became an embarrassing four day and counting
standoff between a ragtag handful of criminals with rifles and a U.S. Navy warship.

The Intel you received is extremely "flawed" and inaccurate.

JimN
04-18-2009, 12:02 AM
The Intel you received is extremely "flawed" and inaccurate.

So, you were there, or something?

Telling someone that they're wrong but not providing any proof carries absolutely no weight.

bbymgr
04-18-2009, 12:09 AM
So, you were there, or something?

Telling someone that they're wrong but not providing any proof carries absolutely no weight.

I never said that TX was wrong. No I wasn't there, but I can assure you that I have been involved in many classified missions like this; and anyone that was there and privy to the intel for this mission, wouldn't be emailing their friends back in the States about it.

Ric
04-18-2009, 12:28 AM
so.... what happened ?

JimN
04-18-2009, 12:37 AM
I never said that TX was wrong. No I wasn't there, but I can assure you that I have been involved in many classified missions like this; and anyone that was there and privy to the intel for this mission, wouldn't be emailing their friends back in the States about it.

With the number of people "speaking on condition of anonymity because they're not authorized to speak to the press", it's entirely conceivable to me, that someone may have told somebody about what happened. I'm not casting any aspersions against anyone in the military, but peoples' lips seem to be a lot looser than they should be and much more than I remember when I was younger. Definitely more willing to blab when they shouldn't and I have a major problem with that.

bbymgr
04-18-2009, 12:43 AM
With the number of people "speaking on condition of anonymity because they're not authorized to speak to the press", it's entirely conceivable to me, that someone may have told somebody about what happened. I'm not casting any aspersions against anyone in the military, but peoples' lips seem to be a lot looser than they should be and much more than I remember when I was younger. Definitely more willing to blab when they shouldn't and I have a major problem with that.

9 times out of 10, those people don't know what the he!! they're talking about and just want to seem more important than they really are. I agree that this happens a lot in Politics, but not with military missions like this.

shepherd
04-18-2009, 10:55 AM
Even TX said he couldn't vouch for the accuracy of what he posted. It was a good read, but anyone who believes that story is a sucker, but people are more likely to believe what they want to believe. This account was obviously written by an extremely biased person which casts further doubt on its accuracy IMO.

CantRepeat
04-18-2009, 11:18 AM
I heard it was a bunch of 4 year olds that took the shot!

TX.X-30 fan
04-18-2009, 12:28 PM
Even TX said he couldn't vouch for the accuracy of what he posted. It was a good read, but anyone who believes that story is a sucker, but people are more likely to believe what they want to believe. This account was obviously written by an extremely biased person which casts further doubt on its accuracy IMO.




My thoughts exactly, and I did enjoy the read the guy need sto do a book full of that cool top secret lingo. :D

JimN
04-18-2009, 12:39 PM
Even TX said he couldn't vouch for the accuracy of what he posted. It was a good read, but anyone who believes that story is a sucker, but people are more likely to believe what they want to believe. This account was obviously written by an extremely biased person which casts further doubt on its accuracy IMO.

So we should just believe the media?

The only people who know what happened were there and if you asked all of them, you'd hear some differences in their stories.

bigmac
04-18-2009, 01:28 PM
So we should just believe the media?


I doubt that the story TX.30 related is entirely true. Likewise, what the media has reported is likely inaccurate. Most people will believe whatever story is most consistent with their preconceptions. As usual.

JimN
04-18-2009, 02:33 PM
I doubt that the story TX.30 related is entirely true. Likewise, what the media has reported is likely inaccurate. Most people will believe whatever story is most consistent with their preconceptions. As usual.

What's that supposed to mean?

JimN
04-18-2009, 02:33 PM
I forgot- :D

TX.X-30 fan
04-18-2009, 03:13 PM
I believe the Ambassador took the shots alone.

CantRepeat
04-18-2009, 03:41 PM
I believe the Ambassador took the shots alone.

No way the Ambassador got off 3 shots in less then 5 seconds. There was a second shooter on the grassy knoll.

TX.X-30 fan
04-18-2009, 03:46 PM
No way the Ambassador got off 3 shots in less then 5 seconds. There was a second shooter on the grassy knoll.




Was he Cuban??