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Sodar
03-20-2009, 08:48 PM
Today, my last remaining items arrived(Thanks to MYMC) to start my annual boat project. Last year was StarGazer, Pop-Up Cleats and Underwater LED's.... this year is a stereo upgrade.

Currently I have 2 pairs of JL Audio M770's powered off the head unit.

When this is all said and done I will have.
An auxiliary battery with a Blue Seas Isolator and 1.2 Farad capacitor.

A pair of JL Audio M650 speakers in MC tower cans powered by a JL Audio 2-channel M2250 for the tower.


A JL Audio 10IB5 Subwoofer powered by a M1700 Monoblock Amplifier.


An added pair of M770 speakers for a total of 3 Pairs powered by a JL Audio M6600 6-channel amp.


A JL Audio CL-RLC Volume control to control the sound of the tower speakers.


I am going to need to relocate a few things prior to the install, but I will be updating this as I go. I expect everything to take about 4-6 weeks with me working on it on weekends only.

Here is my grouping of parts and pieces!

Monte
03-20-2009, 08:53 PM
Looks like a good project.. Look forward to seeing the pictures..

BriEOD
03-20-2009, 09:02 PM
Wow...don't want to tally that up.

brucemac
03-20-2009, 09:06 PM
looking forward to updates sodar. good luck and have fun.

Witness140
03-20-2009, 09:12 PM
Wheres the helmet?

Sodar
03-20-2009, 09:44 PM
Wheres the helmet?

Going in the center position... might not look the best, but it will save the headaches... pun intended!

BriEOD
03-21-2009, 12:17 AM
Hey Cam,

Did you pull your breaker panel and Star Gazer box out and send it to Mike for fabrication?

BTW, nice work Mike.

Sodar
03-21-2009, 11:48 AM
Hey Cam,

Did you pull your breaker panel and Star Gazer box out and send it to Mike for fabrication?

BTW, nice work Mike.

Naw, the panel with the StarGazer Master Module is the stock kick panel. The hole for the sub was already in the plastic substrate from the factory. It was just a matter of taking trimming the carpet with the dremel and screwing the sub into the substrate.

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What Mike made for me are these 2 speaker boxes for the 7.7" speakers. The slide into the gunwales and give you a spot to mount the new pair of speakers I am adding. Mike did a great job and I appreciate him taking care of these for me.... It is so easy getting stuff from someone who knows about this stuff and has done it before. Mike made the same panels for AndyG's 197 (Pic of Andy's below)

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AndyG's 197 with MYMC Component boxes.
http://www.mastercraft.com/teamtalk/attachment.php?attachmentid=21694&stc=1&d=1178823822

BriEOD
03-21-2009, 12:36 PM
Got it. Looks nice.:cool:

JohnE
03-21-2009, 12:54 PM
Sounds like a great project Sodar.

(No pun intended.)

JohnnyB
03-21-2009, 01:32 PM
Naw, the panel with the StarGazer Master Module is the stock kick panel. The hole for the sub was already in the plastic substrate from the factory. It was just a matter of taking trimming the carpet with the dremel and screwing the sub into the substrate.

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What Mike made for me are these 2 speaker boxes for the 7.7" speakers. The slide into the gunwales and give you a spot to mount the new pair of speakers I am adding. Mike did a great job and I appreciate him taking care of these for me.... It is so easy getting stuff from someone who knows about this stuff and has done it before. Mike made the same panels for AndyG's 197 (Pic of Andy's below)

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AndyG's 197 with MYMC Component boxes.
http://www.mastercraft.com/teamtalk/attachment.php?attachmentid=21694&stc=1&d=1178823822

I love the install of the front speakers....looks very clean/nice!!!! I mounted mine on the dog-house at the floor (across from where yours are) I like your idea much better!!!

TX.X-30 fan
03-21-2009, 03:00 PM
Very nice looking so far Cam. I am falling behind in boat projects.

georgea0731
03-30-2009, 08:04 PM
Hey, it looks great! But I was wondering about putting a ski in that area. Can it still fit? THANKS

TX.X-30 fan
03-30-2009, 08:39 PM
Ski won't fit but his tube fits fine.

Sodar
04-01-2009, 12:30 AM
Found my camera so here is the condensed version....

First order of business was to relocate the heater from under the observer's seat to under the driver's dash. It was actually easier than I had expected, but took a lot of contorting and bending to get it mounted. On the floor of this area I will be mounting my Aux. battery. I want the battery to be the last thing in, so when I need to remove it, it will be the first thing out.

Here is a pic of the heater unit (grey box).

Sodar
04-01-2009, 12:36 AM
From there, I focused my attention at measuring out my battery cables from the main battery to the isolator, to the aux battery, from the aux battery to the capacitor to the distribution block and finally to the amps. I used www.genuinedealz.com for all my cables and connectors. They make the cables any way you want for $1... just buy the components and they will assemble them. Attached are my diagram for the cables and my battery isolator. The isolator wires are just hanging there.... not a finished product!

Sodar
04-01-2009, 12:46 AM
After I finished with getting all the items with a lead time ordered, I moved onto laying out the amp locations.

I originally had planned on mounting all 3 amps on the starboard wall of the ski locker with the use of an amp rack, but I was worried about heat building up and look. So I went about coming up with something else. I decided that my 6-channel amp and the capacitor will be mounted on a backing board on the starboard wall of the locker.
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On the port side I will be mounting my 2-channel tower amp and monoblock sub amp on a backing board (not pictured).
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To support the amp backing boards on each side I used 8 pieces of plastic (picture below) and epoxied them to the fiberglass of the hull. After the epoxy set up, I came back and fiberglassed over the 2"x2"x1.5" blocks.
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Sodar
04-01-2009, 12:48 AM
While the epoxy and glass was drying, I got busy running new 14 gauge speaker wire throughout the boat and mounting the 2 new components in their new positions and in their new boxes.
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Big Dogg
04-01-2009, 02:24 AM
Looks great Cam! Nice Work!

TX.X-30 fan
04-01-2009, 09:07 AM
Very nice looking work Cam.

Scott
04-01-2009, 10:37 AM
That is amazing stuff!!! :D

h2oski
04-01-2009, 11:35 AM
hey are the tower speakers on the 197 2005 model hooked to the amp? mine tower speakers have no sound but i have no amp from the previous owner.

Sodar
04-01-2009, 11:44 AM
Yes, the tower speakers will be hooked up to a JL Audio M2250 2-channel amp.

zberger
04-01-2009, 12:44 PM
I built similar enclosures for some 6x9's in a friends boat..

We made them press fit into the same panel, but had a MDF frame with a fiberglassed rear panel so there would be an "enclosure".

They're pretty loud. Nice work man!

Sodar
04-11-2009, 04:33 PM
Just finished the backing boards for the amps.

This one will be for the port "wall" of the observer's storage. The hole in the center is for the heater duct that runs from my relocated heater unit under the driver's dash.
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This one will be for the starboard hull side.
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sand2snow22
04-11-2009, 11:58 PM
Clean install! Nice work!

Sodar
04-12-2009, 12:49 AM
Thanks Dude!

Still waiting on my battery cables, then it is just a matter of hooking everything up and cleaning up the loose ends. I am ready to be done crawling and contorting under the driver's dash and observer's seat... that is for sure!

ProStar200
04-12-2009, 02:01 AM
Looks great Sodar, very clean and professional. Bet you can't wait to get the boat in the water with the the boys and the ladies and crank the tunes. Very nice.

TMCNo1
04-12-2009, 08:53 AM
Very nice job Sodar, it's all in the details!

swatguy
04-12-2009, 10:56 PM
Nice install. Great work. I just purchased the Blue Sea as well. Just had a quick question if you don't mind. Did you just add a whole new ignition wire from the post to the Blue Sea or did you splice into the purple wire? Just curious.

Sodar
04-12-2009, 11:26 PM
Nice install. Great work. I just purchased the Blue Sea as well. Just had a quick question if you don't mind. Did you just add a whole new ignition wire from the post to the Blue Sea or did you splice into the purple wire? Just curious.

New wire running from the ignition switch to the ACR...

brucemac
04-12-2009, 11:29 PM
looks real nice sodar. nice work. i know those two covers above the amps are fuses, but what's the thing above them in the center? is that an external crossover?

Sodar
04-12-2009, 11:38 PM
The black box is this little doozy. I might relocate it, as I do not like the look of it... not sure yet.

http://mobile.jlaudio.com/products_cleansweep.php?prod_id=446

brucemac
04-12-2009, 11:40 PM
ahhh, gotcha. right on. hey nice work. post up when you get her all connected and tuned up.

swatguy
04-13-2009, 01:58 AM
Thanks Sodar, Again Clean install

bturner2
04-13-2009, 08:46 AM
I'm gettting ready to add a second battery to my 07 X2 and want to use the Blue Seas Isolater also but am a bit confused as to what all is required. Can I use my existing dual battery switch (which came with the boat) with the blue seas isolater?

The wiring diagrams on their site basically shows the actual battery connections. I saw in one of the posts something about ignition wiring. Can someone tell me or diagram what connections will be required?

I thought I was good at electrical but am beginning to have doubts as to how well I understand what is required to install the battery and isolater.

I wish I was as organized as Sodar when it comes to these projects. Execellant installation. Plan on borrowing many of your installation ideas.

BriEOD
04-13-2009, 08:42 PM
Just picked up a Blue Seas isolator off eBay for 49.99.

bturner2
04-14-2009, 08:31 AM
I believe I was looking at the same item on Ebay, it was like $30 cheaper than West Marine. Would order today but need to find out if I can use it with my existing factory switch. I'm thinking the answer is yes but if someone on TT can't confirm I'll have to wait until I biring the boat home this weekend, call Blue Seas on Monday to confirm support, then order.

Sodar
04-18-2009, 10:03 PM
I started tying up some loose ends today and concentrated on the small items.

I got the Aux Battery Mounted.

The gain knobs for the CL-RLC (http://mobile.jlaudio.com/products_cleansweep.php?prod_id=446) and the bass boost for the sub.

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I also connected the Battery Isolator.

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I did a final fitting of the amp panels.

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Sodar
04-18-2009, 10:13 PM
Got the panels all lined up.

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Aux Battery under the driver's dash... yeah, it is a B!tch to get to, but it is out of the way!

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Sodar
04-18-2009, 10:14 PM
And as I was closing everything up for the day, the battery cables and amp power cables arrived. Hopefully my next post will be about my completed system...

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TinaSkiGirl
04-18-2009, 11:34 PM
Wow

Your gonna need someone to show you how to drive that boat and rock out in it!!!

Sodar
04-18-2009, 11:36 PM
Wow

Your gonna need someone to show you how to drive that boat and rock out in it!!!

You up for the challenge? :confused:

TinaSkiGirl
04-18-2009, 11:41 PM
You up for the challenge? :confused:

I'll even let you sit on my lap and then I give you a ride on the back of my Harley!!!

Sodar
04-19-2009, 12:08 AM
I'll even let you sit on my lap and then I give you a ride on the back of my Harley!!!

Sounds like a date!

TX.X-30 fan
04-19-2009, 12:12 AM
Did you request pink for the cable?

TX.X-30 fan
04-19-2009, 12:16 AM
Very nice Sodar.

Sodar
04-19-2009, 12:16 AM
Did you request pink for the cable?

Special order! Why do you think it took so long to get those things!

TX.X-30 fan
04-19-2009, 12:28 AM
Special order! Why do you think it took so long to get those things!

Seriously nice install, much cleaner than the high end place that did mine. Wish I could hear the final product.

TMCNo1
04-19-2009, 01:08 AM
Sounds like a date!

And a new spin off TV series from "My name is Earl", as Joy and Crabman's new next door neighbors!:rolleyes::D

BriEOD
04-20-2009, 07:14 PM
Cam,

Talk me through how you set up your blue seas system isolator. I just picked one up and am going to run dual batteries.

Thx.

Sodar
04-21-2009, 02:36 PM
Simple.

Positive cable from Main Battery to Post "A" on the Isolator. Positive Cable from Post "B" to Aux Battery.

Negative cable from Main Battery to Aux. Battery.

12 or 14 gauge wire from ground terminal on Isolator to Negative Terminal on the main battery.

14 gauge wire from the purple ignition wire to the "SI" (Starting Isolating) terminal.- Optional, but preferred.

bcampbe7
04-21-2009, 03:13 PM
Install looks great, Cameron. Very clean and professional.

BriEOD
04-21-2009, 06:25 PM
Simple.

Positive cable from Main Battery to Post "A" on the Isolator. Positive Cable from Post "B" to Aux Battery.

Negative cable from Main Battery to Aux. Battery.

12 or 14 gauge wire from ground terminal on Isolator to Negative Terminal on the main battery.

14 gauge wire from the purple ignition wire to the "SI" (Starting Isolating) terminal.- Optional, but preferred.

Yeah, I got that.:rolleyes:

But, the factory positive harness to the starter, did you put that on the same post as main batt or have a special cable made, etc?

Sodar
04-21-2009, 06:31 PM
Yeah, I got that.:rolleyes:

But, the factory positive harness to the starter, did you put that on the same post as main batt or have a special cable made, etc?

Leave everything going to the main battery the same way it is.

I bought new cables that ran from my main to my aux.

My cables coming from the alternator use the battery posts and the cables going to my aux battery use the thread screw posts.

BriEOD
04-21-2009, 07:08 PM
Thx Cam.

That's what I figured, but thought I'd ask. What did you do with the wire to the ignition switch?

bturner2
04-22-2009, 09:36 PM
That has to be the cleanest stereo install I've seen in a very long time. Very impressive. Getting ready to do the dual battery install on my X2. Checked out the cable link you referenced in your post. Great prices on what appears to be high quality cable and connectors. Will be a customer soon. Thanks for the post and installation tips.

Grover777
04-22-2009, 10:25 PM
Looks great Cameron! I am contemplating replacing my speakers and sub....you may have given me the inspiration!

D

justtrimit
04-23-2009, 07:39 PM
Hey sodar,
Are you doing your own work? Are you a professional stereo installer for a living? If so how much would you charge to do something similar in my boat? Let me know bro.

Sodar
04-24-2009, 12:11 AM
Hey sodar,
Are you doing your own work? Are you a professional stereo installer for a living? If so how much would you charge to do something similar in my boat? Let me know bro.


Far from a professional. This is my first stereo install of any kind.

Since it sounds like you are from the SoCal area from you posts, I recommend Wired for Sound in Murrietta.

Wired for Sound Motorsports
26023 Jefferson Ave
Murrieta, CA 92562
(951) 696-2200

Sodar
04-24-2009, 12:15 AM
Well, there have been a few setbacks, but everything is starting to be resolved so hopefully next week I will have everything completed.

The issues are:
Battery Cables: Remember that they do not make sharp turns and bends like you want them to... mine are about 1' too short and new ones are being made.

Capacitor: The auto-shut off feature is not working. It stays on all the time. Crutchfeild has given me an RMA number and they will have a new one to me in 5-7 business days.

Sodar
04-24-2009, 12:19 AM
Tonight, I took my tower speaker mounts and the boat down to my buddy's engineering company. They make specialized accelerometers for the military and crash test industry... pretty neat stuff.

Anyways, the way these older style towers are fabricated, there are a lot of inconsistencies and because of this, unsightly gaps and uneven tower speakers are the result.

So, my buddy and I machined away on the mounts getting them both to be perfectly level and gapless.

Here are a few pictures of the machining and the finish product. It is a bit dewy out tonight, so I do not want to take the cover off the boat. Better pictures are sure to follow.

justtrimit
04-24-2009, 01:39 PM
sounds good too me. I heard they are expensive. any other options?

Sodar
04-24-2009, 01:44 PM
sounds good too me. I heard they are expensive. any other options?

They are expensive, but as with anything, you get what you pay for.

I have also heard that Al & Eds off the 15 in Ontario does excellent work.

(909) 481-8411

brucemac
04-28-2009, 05:08 PM
sooooo, how's it sound?!

pm sent on 7610.

Sodar
04-28-2009, 05:25 PM
sooooo, how's it sound?!

pm sent on 7610.

PM sent back.


Sounds good. I need to wrap-up everything and hopefully next weekend I will be taking it over to my buddy's shop to have it "tuned". Straight out of the box sounds good. I have all the sensitivity and frequency dials seat at dead center, so it is hard to really give the system a real assessment. I will say this, the system is pretty farking loud!!

brucemac
04-28-2009, 05:40 PM
right on. get some more pics when you're all done.

guess i need to decide on which way to go. thanks for the reply.

bturner2
05-01-2009, 07:22 AM
Sodar, did you instrall fuses in the cables going from the isolator to the batteries. I was reading the instructions last night and saw that they are calling for fuses in the links. If so what did you use?

Sodar
05-01-2009, 11:04 AM
I re-read the instructions and do not see where you are reading that they want fuses between the batteries and the isolator. I did place fuses between the ground wire and the isolation wire. I have no fuses between the batteries and the isolator.

TX.X-30 fan
05-01-2009, 08:12 PM
None in mine just fuse block before the amps and a big main.

bturner2
05-01-2009, 11:01 PM
It's actually not that easy to see and not clearly marked in the shipped instructions. If you look closely at the wiring diagram you'll see a fuse that's supposed to be placed on the battery terminal. You can also get better instruction on how to size the fuse from the "additional instructions" document on the Blue Seas site for the 120A SI ACR.

http://bluesea.com/files/resources/application_briefs/app_brief_selecting_fuse.pdf

Thought it was strange that this wasn't more clearly marked.

Application Brief: Selecting the Appropriate Fuse Rating When Installing the 120A SI
ACR
When installing Blue Sea Systems 120A SI ACR, PN 7610, use this chart to select the appropriate wire size
and fuse rating.
Fuses installed between ACR terminals A and B, and each battery positive are to prevent a hazard if there
is damage to the wires from the batteries to the ACR. Therefore, the fuses should be placed as close as
possible to the batteries so that most of the wire is protected.
Since these fuses connect directly to batteries, choose fuse types that have sufficient AIC for your battery
bank. ANL fuses 100A—PN 5125, 150A—PN 5127, and Terminal Fuses 100A—PN 5183, and 150A—PN
5185 are ideal for this application. (Terminal Fuses are available in September.)
Typical 120 Amp SI Automatic Charging Relay Installation
GND SI LED
Wire Sizing and Fuse Rating Chart (AWG)
Charging Amps
60
80
100
120
Minimum Wire Size*
#6
#4
#2
#1/0
Fuse Rating
100 Amps
150 Amps
150 Amps
150 Amps

bturner2
05-01-2009, 11:04 PM
Also checked into pricing on the fuses. Looks to be another$60-$70 if you use what they recommend. Not sure if they're necessary as these cables should be well protected but.......

Sodar
07-28-2009, 01:04 AM
Just realized I never posted complete pics. Here are the amps, heat tube & capacitor...
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Sodar
07-28-2009, 01:07 AM
And a shot of the 6.5"er's on the tower....

sand2snow22
07-28-2009, 01:46 AM
Very professional.......

Sodar
07-29-2009, 02:49 PM
Last night, I had a stereo guru come over with an oscilloscope to tune the stereo. WHAT A DIFFERENCE!!! He was able to pull about 4 more volts out of the 6-channel amp just by correcting the tuning. Everything is clear as can be. Probably not much louder, but so much clearer. Spotless sound.

He had a CD that would play the sine wave and one of these:
http://www.testandtagequipment.com/images/agilent_u1602a.jpg

Just play the track, set everything to max before the sine wave started "clipping" and that's it. Only took about a half hour and was done in the driveway!

Craig
07-29-2009, 03:33 PM
Boy would l love one of those. I think they cost what I paid for my boat...:/

Awesome install, very nice work.

brucemac
07-29-2009, 03:37 PM
very nice install. super clean. good job.

flipper
07-29-2009, 03:38 PM
Looks clean. Nice work!!

flya750
03-12-2011, 06:06 PM
How do those amps hold up under continuous wave pounding..? I go to some big lakes for some causal boating and sometimes the waves can be brutal and force me to go about 10-15 mph with bow up. I can't imagine having all of that electronics mounted under the bow. Not to mention all that electronic equipment would kill my storage.


After I finished with getting all the items with a lead time ordered, I moved onto laying out the amp locations.

I originally had planned on mounting all 3 amps on the starboard wall of the ski locker with the use of an amp rack, but I was worried about heat building up and look. So I went about coming up with something else. I decided that my 6-channel amp and the capacitor will be mounted on a backing board on the starboard wall of the locker.
45662


On the port side I will be mounting my 2-channel tower amp and monoblock sub amp on a backing board (not pictured).
45661

To support the amp backing boards on each side I used 8 pieces of plastic (picture below) and epoxied them to the fiberglass of the hull. After the epoxy set up, I came back and fiberglassed over the 2"x2"x1.5" blocks.
45663

ColdTurkey
03-12-2011, 06:45 PM
Last night, I had a stereo guru come over with an oscilloscope to tune the stereo. WHAT A DIFFERENCE!!! He was able to pull about 4 more volts out of the 6-channel amp just by correcting the tuning. Everything is clear as can be. Probably not much louder, but so much clearer. Spotless sound.

He had a CD that would play the sine wave and one of these:
http://www.testandtagequipment.com/images/agilent_u1602a.jpg

Just play the track, set everything to max before the sine wave started "clipping" and that's it. Only took about a half hour and was done in the driveway!

That is cool. Alpine makes a system called Imprint Sound Calibration. It does the same thing automatically and it also calculates your seating position in relation to the speakers to allow for sound delay.... Not sure if they do it for boats, just thought people might be interested.

TX.X-30 fan
03-12-2011, 07:31 PM
That is cool. Alpine makes a system called Imprint Sound Calibration. It does the same thing automatically and it also calculates your seating position in relation to the speakers to allow for sound delay.... Not sure if they do it for boats, just thought people might be interested.




Do you trailer much with that dual axle trailer?

ColdTurkey
03-13-2011, 06:40 PM
Do you trailer much with that dual axle trailer?

I don't have to now but when I first picked her up I drove over 2000K's with it to get her home.

TX.X-30 fan
03-13-2011, 07:47 PM
I don't have to now but when I first picked her up I drove over 2000K's with it to get her home.




Were you a bit nervous with that beast of a boat on the dual?? Nice boat by the way

ColdTurkey
03-13-2011, 07:59 PM
Were you a bit nervous with that beast of a boat on the dual?? Nice boat by the way

Not at all, well balanced, well built trailer. I was more worried if the car would actually move it.... Luckily, it does. :D

Sodar
03-14-2011, 10:30 AM
How do those amps hold up under continuous wave pounding..? I go to some big lakes for some causal boating and sometimes the waves can be brutal and force me to go about 10-15 mph with bow up. I can't imagine having all of that electronics mounted under the bow. Not to mention all that electronic equipment would kill my storage.

After 2 years of pounding, they are still as secure as the day I installed them and like you, I run some rough water on weekends at the river. Where else would you consider mounting them? I am all ears! :rolleyes:

The way I mounted them has only made me lose about 3" of total usable space. Everything that I stored in there before the install still fits.

Thrall
03-14-2011, 10:48 AM
How do those amps hold up under continuous wave pounding..? I go to some big lakes for some causal boating and sometimes the waves can be brutal and force me to go about 10-15 mph with bow up. I can't imagine having all of that electronics mounted under the bow. Not to mention all that electronic equipment would kill my storage.

No trouble here either. Even after a 3 day trip on Lake Powell. Been in for a year and nothing's come loose. Only lose 3-4" of storage on the one side.

Farmer Ted
06-25-2012, 04:02 PM
Just realized I never posted complete pics. Here are the amps, heat tube & capacitor...
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49863

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How did you mount the boards the amps are attached to? I plan on doing something similar with two amps but they'll be tucked away a little more aft than yours as to not interfere with storage space.

Did you cut out a square of carpet and bond something directly to the hull of the boat that you could screw into or did you bond the boards directly onto the spacers?

thanks

T

Lumbergh
06-25-2012, 04:17 PM
I think most people bond some sort of blocks to the hull and then mount some sort of board to the mounts.

Seen some folks using blocks of TREX in cubes and then mount the amp board to the blocks on hull using a bolt/lag bolt type setup. Cut the carpet out in the areas you want to mount the blocks to and glue blocks to hull.

Then mount board and amp(s).

Montaruli
08-02-2012, 02:58 AM
What's the best type of glue to use?


93 ProStar 205