PDA

View Full Version : Prostar 214 vs 209


hokiecharlie
01-15-2009, 11:37 AM
Like many others I like to slalom while the rest of the family likes to wakebaord, kneeboard, tube, etc. So, we have a Prostar 209, the great compromise boat. I'm considering going to the 214 because of the supposedly better slalom wake which should make it an even better compromise boat (for me). I was hoping to wait a couple more years to get a lower-priced used one, but the local dealer has a 2008 which is virtually the exact boat I would order new if money were no object. Does anyone have enough experience with the 214 to say whether it's worth switching from the 209 for slalom skiing?

Ski-me
01-15-2009, 11:47 AM
I am also curious about the 214 ski wake. We currently have a 205 and love the ski wake but I will be looking for my sister-in-law on a family boat. If I could do anything different would be more room and if people consider the 214 a better ski wake than the 209, I would push her in that direction.

Are the 08' and 09' hulls on the 214 the same as an 02'? How far back does the current hull span to?

Mag_Red
01-15-2009, 12:33 PM
I am also curious about the 214 ski wake. We currently have a 205 and love the ski wake but I will be looking for my sister-in-law on a family boat. If I could do anything different would be more room and if people consider the 214 a better ski wake than the 209, I would push her in that direction.

Are the 08' and 09' hulls on the 214 the same as an 02'? How far back does the current hull span to?I believe the 214 hull is completely different from the 209

Chicago190
01-15-2009, 01:49 PM
I believe the 214 hull is completely different from the 209

Correct.

I can't comment on the ski wake, but I agree with you that the 214 is the perfect boat for skiers who aren't looking to run 35 off.

jaysus
01-15-2009, 01:53 PM
The 214 was a totally new model/hull in 2007. We have a number of customers that have gone from the 209 to the 214 and absolutely love the results and their decision to upgrade. The 214 is a lot more slalom friendly. All +++'s with the additional seating and size. Great boat.

starrski
01-15-2009, 01:58 PM
I am also curious about the 214 and X14 ski wake. I am trying to decide between a 197 and a 214.

I am trying to find out if the new 214 wake is more Slalom friendly at 32 mph and up, or at 15' off?

I had a 1997 prostar 205 that was a great slalom boat, and a great beginner/intermediate wakeboard boat with added ballast. It was best on small lakes and smoother water. Main channel cruising was harsh.

I upgraded to a 2001 prostar 209. Great boat, fantastic in all water, wonderful cruiser on rough channels, fun having extra people, great wakeboard boat/wake surfing boat. Fantastic boat for spending the day in the driver's seat! Slalom wake was marginal when compared to the smaller hull. Two main issues were the wake was more firm and the center prop wash felt "gravelly" compared to the softer feel of the 205. Secondly, the wake was just enough wider that the bump-bump of the wake in the slalom course was felt a 1/2 beat longer, just enough to mess up timing and feel in the slalom course, until you got into the 28' off range. However it was a much more fun wake for messing around on tricks and jumpers. Still was a wake that was way better than any V-drive or stern drive for slalom, but for those special dawn patrol and sunset runs I had to work a little more.

If my kids voted, it would be the 214 hands down. But for those "old school" runs, I still get veto power. ($ have veto power?) And this new boat is going to be "at home" longer than my kids (at least I hope so.)


Truth is, my ego just gets in the way when we "adults" end up taking the Malibu for slalom because everybody is using my MC wake as an excuse for a bad pass.

duckguy
01-15-2009, 02:11 PM
214 is based on the 197, which is much more ski friendly than the 209.

JohnE
01-15-2009, 03:08 PM
The 214 Wake is very close to the 197 at 34 or 36 mph. I've had both. At slower speeds, the difference increases. Actually at 34 or 36 and 15-22 off, the 214 wake might be slightly better than the 197. Regardless, the 214 is worlds better than the 209 for slalom from everything I've read. I've never ski'd behind a 209. The 205 is much better than the 209, too from what I've read. Not that the 209 is "bad", the others are just better.

JohnE
01-15-2009, 03:10 PM
Like many others I like to slalom while the rest of the family likes to wakebaord, kneeboard, tube, etc. So, we have a Prostar 209, the great compromise boat. I'm considering going to the 214 because of the supposedly better slalom wake which should make it an even better compromise boat (for me). I was hoping to wait a couple more years to get a lower-priced used one, but the local dealer has a 2008 which is virtually the exact boat I would order new if money were no object. Does anyone have enough experience with the 214 to say whether it's worth switching from the 209 for slalom skiing?


What is the price/ options on the '08 your dealer has? Is it new or used?

starrski
01-15-2009, 03:12 PM
Thanks. Yes the older 205 was way better for slalom than the 209's.

hokiecharlie
01-15-2009, 06:34 PM
What is the price/ options on the '08 your dealer has? Is it new or used?
It's a used 2008 with 75 hours. Has a tower w/racks, 4 speakers, mirror, and lights, dual axle trailer, heater, MCX engine, IPOD interface, bimini, cover, etc. Asking $55k. Does not mention any type of speed control. Is that a standard option now or do I need to see if it has something? I have a 2002 209 to trade with virtually same options, except has perfect pass Star Gazer.

mclovin
01-15-2009, 06:51 PM
the x14 has a very nice ski wake @ 30+ mph, gets a little rampy below that. its the best boat ive owned for all around sports!(82ss,209) for wakeboarding/kneeboarding we add on top of factory ballast,500lbs in rear 500lbs in bow lane, @21 to 23 mph this makes a very poppy wake that gives you plenty of hang time! a couple of sponserd riders have commented on the shape of the wake, "its not huge but it launches you" (thats what i tell all tha girls)ill post some pics this weekend of the wakes & speeds. 08 x14

Chicago190
01-15-2009, 08:46 PM
I am also curious about the 214 and X14 ski wake. I am trying to decide between a 197 and a 214.


X14 wake will be nearly identical, except for the tiny difference given the weight of the tower (which you may get on a 214 anyway).

JohnE
01-16-2009, 07:21 AM
It's a used 2008 with 75 hours. Has a tower w/racks, 4 speakers, mirror, and lights, dual axle trailer, heater, MCX engine, IPOD interface, bimini, cover, etc. Asking $55k. Does not mention any type of speed control. Is that a standard option now or do I need to see if it has something? I have a 2002 209 to trade with virtually same options, except has perfect pass Star Gazer.


That is a good price IMO. PP WB pro would be standard on that model. The only thing to beware is that you can't upgrade that to SG or even digital pro. To put a better speed control in you have to basically put a stand alone system. Either SG or ZO. Of course that is only absolutely necessary for serious course skiing. That was my dilemma last year. I did nothing and ended up trading in my boat this year. Which will be available from MYMC in Charlotte if you are at all interested.

Ski-me
01-16-2009, 10:50 AM
Mclovin' --- really nice boat! Looks sharp.

What year did the 214 / X14 start? 2007?

east tx skier
01-16-2009, 10:58 AM
Mclovin' --- really nice boat! Looks sharp.

What year did the 214 / X14 start? 2007?

Yes, 2007. Remember though, with the PS 14/X14, you have that extra seating right up on the engine box and no rear locker. Definitely worth climbing around on and seeing how you'd store things before you pull the trigger. Also, look to see how easy it is to get to things on the engine on that side if you plan on doing your own maintenance. Just a few things worth looking at.

mclovin
01-16-2009, 07:17 PM
Mclovin' --- really nice boat! Looks sharp.

What year did the 214 / X14 start? 2007?

07 is correct, i will agree w/ east tx, the only downfall i can complain about is storage!built in ballast & no locker in rear wooooweee, can get crowded quick w/ multiple people. but its worth it to me. thanks for the comp.;)

JohnE
01-17-2009, 01:31 PM
Like many others I like to slalom while the rest of the family likes to wakebaord, kneeboard, tube, etc. So, we have a Prostar 209, the great compromise boat. I'm considering going to the 214 because of the supposedly better slalom wake which should make it an even better compromise boat (for me). I was hoping to wait a couple more years to get a lower-priced used one, but the local dealer has a 2008 which is virtually the exact boat I would order new if money were no object. Does anyone have enough experience with the 214 to say whether it's worth switching from the 209 for slalom skiing?


Did you see the boat in this thread fs by BAWS? http://mastercraft.com/teamtalk/showthread.php?t=28048

Ryan
01-17-2009, 11:21 PM
I felt the X14 wake was pretty dense/jolts your ski up on the first wake and you'll barely touch the second wake on crossings. It's nice and low, but I noticed a good couple inch increase in wake height vs a 197. I'm floored that some comments say the 214 could be any better than a 197.

The wake on a 209 looks a hair taller than a X14 but I feel the 209 wake is softer. But the 209 I skied had only the driver and not a lot of gas in the tank. The wake density on the X14 has a leg up on the wakeboarding wake over the 209.

The 209 is one of three 21' DD boats I'm shopping for next, the gain in space is worth the compromise from my PS190.

mckevin
01-19-2009, 09:12 PM
Ok, my question to the people who do not like the -14 wake for skiiing is... I ordered a PS214 and kept it light, mini tower with no board racks or speakers, no ballast (so no tanks, plumbing, pumps, or wiring), no shower or heater. I think an X14 fully loaded with options, say 3 or four people, full cooler and gas tank might weigh 800 to 1000 lbs more than my boat. Could this explain why some people think the 214 wake does not compare to a 197 wake?

OhioX14
01-19-2009, 09:28 PM
Ok, my question to the people who do not like the -14 wake for skiiing is... I ordered a PS214 and kept it light, mini tower with no board racks or speakers, no ballast (so no tanks, plumbing, pumps, or wiring), no shower or heater. I think an X14 fully loaded with options, say 3 or four people, full cooler and gas tank might weigh 800 to 1000 lbs more than my boat. Could this explain why some people think the 214 wake does not compare to a 197 wake?

I believe you have to take into account the fact that some are going to be 197 biased while others either are so picky, or perhaps so good, that they pick up on just about every nuance of any wake.

Before we decided on our X14 we skied back to back, within 10 minutes of one another, a 197 with mini tower and an X14. I'll grant you the fact that I'm a solid intermediate slalom skier at best, but I couldn't tell the difference between the two. Add to that the fact that it was night and day different from our X9 (for the better) and it was easy to pull the trigger on the purchase.

mclovin
01-20-2009, 12:03 AM
I believe you have to take into account the fact that some are going to be 197 biased while others either are so picky, or perhaps so good, that they pick up on just about every nuance of any wake.

Before we decided on our X14 we skied back to back, within 10 minutes of one another, a 197 with mini tower and an X14. I'll grant you the fact that I'm a solid intermediate slalom skier at best, but I couldn't tell the difference between the two. Add to that the fact that it was night and day different from our X9 (for the better) and it was easy to pull the trigger on the purchase.

well explained!

sand2snow22
01-20-2009, 01:33 AM
Weights:

197- 2800 lbs
X-14- 3300 lbs
X-14V- 3800 lbs!! Maybe the extra 500 or 1000 lbs and V-drive make the rooster bigger?

JohnE
01-20-2009, 07:27 AM
I felt the X14 wake was pretty dense/jolts your ski up on the first wake and you'll barely touch the second wake on crossings. It's nice and low, but I noticed a good couple inch increase in wake height vs a 197. I'm floored that some comments say the 214 could be any better than a 197.



I've made that comment. But keep it in context. I said at 34-36 and 15-22 off. I've owned both. An '05 197 and the '08 X14. And it was actually my ski buddy who noticed it first. I'm sorry, but I can't disagree more with your analysis of the X14 wake. What speed and length were you skiing? And how much weight was in the boat.

Ok, my question to the people who do not like the -14 wake for skiiing is... I ordered a PS214 and kept it light, mini tower with no board racks or speakers, no ballast (so no tanks, plumbing, pumps, or wiring), no shower or heater. I think an X14 fully loaded with options, say 3 or four people, full cooler and gas tank might weigh 800 to 1000 lbs more than my boat. Could this explain why some people think the 214 wake does not compare to a 197 wake?

This would certainly make a big difference. Not so much the shower or heater or empty ballast tanks. But full tower, tower speakers, loaded cooler, and a few more bodies will really affect the wake. I really thought about going with a mini tower. It just seems that ducking under it all day would really suck. You will not be disappointed in the ski wake of the 214.

barefoot
01-20-2009, 11:20 AM
My understanding is that the 214 is built off the 197 platform. The sides are flared to give extra beam space, which in turn, gives the boat a really nice bigger boat feel without sacrificing the skiablity. I drove an í07 and was super impressed by it. It handled beautifully, ripped across the lake at 50 mph, and still had the handling of a 197. Skiing the course, I noticed a camelís hump at 15 off, but didnít consider it a problem. I had a personal best skiing the course on a 214. I didnít have calm enough water to foot behind it long line so I canít for the curl at 40mphÖ

I canít speak for the 209 in any way. Iíll let other people chime in on that.

One more thingÖ.and it might get a few people wound up, but MC is offering $25,000 at the end of three years for buying a new boat. Itís a program that you might want to talk to your dealer about to get more detailsÖ.

JohnE
01-20-2009, 11:36 AM
My understanding is that the 214 is built off the 197 platform. The sides are flared to give extra beam space, which in turn, gives the boat a really nice bigger boat feel without sacrificing the skiablity. I drove an í07 and was super impressed by it. It handled beautifully, ripped across the lake at 50 mph, and still had the handling of a 197. Skiing the course, I noticed a camelís hump at 15 off, but didnít consider it a problem. I had a personal best skiing the course on a 214. I didnít have calm enough water to foot behind it long line so I canít for the curl at 40mphÖ

I canít speak for the 209 in any way. Iíll let other people chime in on that.

One more thingÖ.and it might get a few people wound up, but MC is offering $25,000 at the end of three years for buying a new boat. Itís a program that you might want to talk to your dealer about to get more detailsÖ.


I agree with everything you said, and that last sentence is a hot button topic as you alluded to.

Ryan
01-20-2009, 01:16 PM
[QUOTE=JohnE;569029]I've made that comment. But keep it in context. I said at 34-36 and 15-22 off. I've owned both. An '05 197 and the '08 X14. And it was actually my ski buddy who noticed it first. I'm sorry, but I can't disagree more with your analysis of the X14 wake. What speed and length were you skiing? And how much weight was in the boat.
QUOTE]

The boats I skied were not all loaded equally, as mentioned the 209 had a light loade in comparison. In the X14 we had two adult men, my wife and three kids in the boat. An average load for what I'd use the boat for. I do suspect that having one guy up in the bow of the X14 can make a wake more meaty as well. I skied both at 34 @ 15 off. I've heard that 22-32 off is quite impressive on the X14 and it looked it, with no trough.

John you have the best apples to apples comparo. My context is with the initial question and shared what I've experienced between the 209 an X14. I should add that I was very impressed with the the X14 and love the space in affords. It skied better than I expected and put out a wake not much more dense than the Malibu Echelon I skied behind on New Years Day (loaded with 2 adults and 4 kids, in salt water), and that is a smaller, lighter boat.

Jesus_Freak
01-21-2009, 12:36 PM
I've made that comment. But keep it in context. I said at 34-36 and 15-22 off. I've owned both. An '05 197 and the '08 X14. And it was actually my ski buddy who noticed it first. I'm sorry, but I can't disagree more with your analysis of the X14 wake. What speed and length were you skiing? And how much weight was in the boat.

This would certainly make a big difference. Not so much the shower or heater or empty ballast tanks. But full tower, tower speakers, loaded cooler, and a few more bodies will really affect the wake. I really thought about going with a mini tower. It just seems that ducking under it all day would really suck. You will not be disappointed in the ski wake of the 214.

Threadjack: So, all things considered, can you venture an educated guess as to which has a better slalom wake at 34MPH/22'off....a '94 205 without a tower or an '08 214 without a tower (same passenger count/size and fuel volume)?

Ryan
01-21-2009, 12:57 PM
Threadjack: So, all things considered, can you venture an educated guess as to which has a better slalom wake at 34MPH/22'off....a '94 205 without a tower or an '08 214 without a tower (same passenger count/size and fuel volume)?

I haven't skied the 214 without a tower, but would put down money and my reputation (worth of each trending like my 401k as far as MC and TT are concerned) on the 94 205 skiing better. :D It all goes back to my thoughts on wake density, the 190/205's of that era are tied at the top for me (with an unmentioned competitor)...I might be a little biased.

mclovin
01-21-2009, 09:43 PM
Threadjack: So, all things considered, can you venture an educated guess as to which has a better slalom wake at 34MPH/22'off....a '94 205 without a tower or an '08 214 without a tower (same passenger count/size and fuel volume)?

never rode a 205 but a 08 dd x14 @ 34 mph is very little bump, this is w/no attitude plate, half tank, 3 in boat 1 on tha line.

east tx skier
01-21-2009, 10:01 PM
I haven't skied the 214 without a tower, but would put down money and my reputation (worth of each trending like my 401k as far as MC and TT are concerned) on the 94 205 skiing better. :D It all goes back to my thoughts on wake density, the 190/205's of that era are tied at the top for me (with an unmentioned competitor)...I might be a little biased.

I can dig it!

1st Generation 205 (34 mph; 1/2 a tank; driver and observer)

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j262/dnortonames/MasterCraft%20Pro%20Star%20205%20For%20Sale/AcmeWakeat34mph.jpg

JohnE
01-21-2009, 10:06 PM
Threadjack: So, all things considered, can you venture an educated guess as to which has a better slalom wake at 34MPH/22'off....a '94 205 without a tower or an '08 214 without a tower (same passenger count/size and fuel volume)?

Just saw this JF. Sorry for the delay. My money is on the '08 214. Though admittedly I have no personal experience with the 205. But if you take away the tower on the 214, the wake on the 214 is as good as any. And the driving/ tracking with the 214 is top notch. As good as the 197 I had. And put it this way. The 214 wake at 34/ 22 will be the last reason you don't make a full pass.

hokiecharlie
01-22-2009, 09:44 AM
07 is correct, i will agree w/ east tx, the only downfall i can complain about is storage!built in ballast & no locker in rear wooooweee, can get crowded quick w/ multiple people. but its worth it to me. thanks for the comp.;)
I did walk around a 214 yesterday, and you're right--with the balast there seems to be little storage for vests, etc. And, with the wrap around seating where do you put your cooler? Where did you keep everything?

JohnE
01-22-2009, 10:13 AM
I did walk around a 214 yesterday, and you're right--with the balast there seems to be little storage for vests, etc. And, with the wrap around seating where do you put your cooler? Where did you keep everything?


I keep all the vests (at least 8) in the seat behind the driver. I usually keep the cooler on the floor in front of the wrap around on the port side. Where the add-on rear facing lounge would go. I also keep it in the bow on occasion and behind the motorbox sometimes. Compared to a 197 there is so much room. And the area under the observer seat is large enough to fit a few skis and boards, though I usually keep those on the racks.

hokiecharlie
01-22-2009, 10:20 AM
I keep all the vests (at least 8) in the seat behind the driver. I usually keep the cooler on the floor in front of the wrap around on the port side. Where the add-on rear facing lounge would go. I also keep it in the bow on occasion and behind the motorbox sometimes. Compared to a 197 there is so much room. And the area under the observer seat is large enough to fit a few skis and boards, though I usually keep those on the racks.
Didn't realize the seat behind the driver could store that much. It was pretty deep, though. Dealer has another 2008 without the ballast which would provide more storage. I'm debating which we'd rather have since none of us are really "ballast-worthy" boarders. Dealer says would help with resale and I suppose we would want it if we started surfing.

mclovin
01-22-2009, 11:32 AM
Didn't realize the seat behind the driver could store that much. It was pretty deep, though. Dealer has another 2008 without the ballast which would provide more storage. I'm debating which we'd rather have since none of us are really "ballast-worthy" boarders. Dealer says would help with resale and I suppose we would want it if we started surfing.

if you would rather have the extra storage, you can always just use "fat sacs" for ballast! when not in use they take up no room. as far as surfing behind the 214, its not a good surf boat due to the shallow back end. to get a decent pushable wake we add allong w/ stock ballast about 2,250lbs extra, im 100% satisfied in everything about the x14-214 execpt the surf wake. but it is dueable!

mclovin
01-22-2009, 11:56 AM
I did walk around a 214 yesterday, and you're right--with the balast there seems to be little storage for vests, etc. And, with the wrap around seating where do you put your cooler? Where did you keep everything?

we usually put all jackets,gear bags etc. under spotters seat. fat sacs, pumps, tools, fenders, ropes etc. go behind drivers seat/ under that lounge seat. cooler goes behind motor box on the floor, makes a good foot prop for those lounging on back bench! all skis/boards go in the racks. kneeboard leans up against anything out of the way! it will not fit in racks. hope this helps:D this set up works well for us

Jesus_Freak
01-22-2009, 12:35 PM
Just saw this JF. Sorry for the delay. My money is on the '08 214. Though admittedly I have no personal experience with the 205. But if you take away the tower on the 214, the wake on the 214 is as good as any. And the driving/ tracking with the 214 is top notch. As good as the 197 I had. And put it this way. The 214 wake at 34/ 22 will be the last reason you don't make a full pass.

Thanks to all. So it seems that those who vote for a 205 have not skied the 214 (at the same conditions) and vice versa. Any reference to a "good" wake is, IMHO, meaningless without a reference value. Asking again for any other 34/22 comparison comments.?.?.?

OhioX14
01-22-2009, 01:29 PM
I did walk around a 214 yesterday, and you're right--with the balast there seems to be little storage for vests, etc. And, with the wrap around seating where do you put your cooler? Where did you keep everything?

When I first boarded an X14 and started lifting seats I can still hear myself saying "deal breaker". Then , after we fell in love with the wake (as opposed to our X9), I sat in the boat for a few minutes and worked it all out:

Small wakeboard, wakeskate, lines, misc. under the seat behind the driver. Slalom skis and vests under the observer's seat (since vests are out while on the water this does not cause an issue getting to the skis). Safety equipment, fenders, etc. under the starboard bow cushion. Wakeboards on the racks while on the water otherwise on the floor. It all works. We only take a small cooler with us and it, and a snack bag, just make their way around the boat to whomever needs them.

I can't imagine giving up the ballast for the sake of storage as this boat really needs it for a decent wakeboard wake and I personally feel sacks are a pain.

Just my two cents.

hokiecharlie
01-22-2009, 02:17 PM
Thanks for all the input. All of you have been very helpful. Now we'll see if the money works out.

Ryan
01-22-2009, 04:08 PM
Best of luck Hokie! I envy anyone with that boat for how much space it has AND that small of a wake. If you do a build-to-order post up your color scheme.

JohnE
01-23-2009, 08:59 AM
Thanks for all the input. All of you have been very helpful. Now we'll see if the money works out.


Good luck with things. Keep us posted.

hokiecharlie
01-23-2009, 12:12 PM
Good luck with things. Keep us posted.
Thanks. I have a couple more questions. I just saw a thread discussing pricing on a 2009 X-2. Prices in the thread were low 50's. Are 214's higher to start with than the X-2? MC of Charlotte had a few 2009 X-14's advertised at 60. Also, what is the difference between an X-14 and a PS 214 other than graphics?

Jim@BAWS
01-23-2009, 12:23 PM
Thanks. I have a couple more questions. I just saw a thread discussing pricing on a 2009 X-2. Prices in the thread were low 50's. Are 214's higher to start with than the X-2? MC of Charlotte had a few 2009 X-14's advertised at 60. Also, what is the difference between an X-14 and a PS 214 other than graphics?

A dealer can only advertize MSRP or "0" Call for info

X-14 above 214

TOWER
Board racks
triple ballast
Vdig w/ PERFECT PASS
Different Graphics and logos
Stereo w/ amp and SUB Remote


Those are the upgrades from Prostar to X Series

hokiecharlie
01-23-2009, 12:32 PM
A dealer can only advertize MSRP or "0" Call for info

X-14 above 214

TOWER
Board racks
triple ballast
Vdig w/ PERFECT PASS
Different Graphics and logos
Stereo w/ amp and SUB Remote


Those are the upgrades from Prostar to X Series
So, a 214 with those options added would be the same as the X-14 but with different graphics? And, in general, if people are getting 2009 X-2's for low 50's what might one expect to get a 2009 X-14 for? Is the MSRP starting point about the same for a comparably equipped boat? Discounts comparable?

JohnE
01-25-2009, 11:03 AM
So, a 214 with those options added would be the same as the X-14 but with different graphics? And, in general, if people are getting 2009 X-2's for low 50's what might one expect to get a 2009 X-14 for? Is the MSRP starting point about the same for a comparably equipped boat? Discounts comparable?

A 214 equipped exactly the same as an X14 would be about $600 more. I priced it that way last year. On my '09, I'm having the dealer remove the X graphics and install the '05TT decal. I hate the bullseye especially since the grey is lost on my silverflake hull.

And an X boat has higher resale typically. I don't know why, but it does.

JohnE
01-25-2009, 11:08 AM
Thanks. I have a couple more questions. I just saw a thread discussing pricing on a 2009 X-2. Prices in the thread were low 50's. Are 214's higher to start with than the X-2? MC of Charlotte had a few 2009 X-14's advertised at 60. Also, what is the difference between an X-14 and a PS 214 other than graphics?

That was for an '08 with 20 hours. And it is an unbelievable deal. It has to be below cost. Sounds like the dealer just needs to get it off the floor to free up space or cash.

My experience is that 20% off msrp is a very good deal.

And as Jim said, the prices advertised are msrp only. Usually of the base boat without options. Ignore the advertised prices and call.

Jim@BAWS
01-25-2009, 11:09 AM
So, a 214 with those options added would be the same as the X-14 but with different graphics? And, in general, if people are getting 2009 X-2's for low 50's what might one expect to get a 2009 X-14 for? Is the MSRP starting point about the same for a comparably equipped boat? Discounts comparable?


I cannot speak for what other dealers do or how they get to there pricing

Jim@BAWS

93Prostar190
01-26-2009, 09:37 PM
Sorry to weigh in so late ... but 214 is clearly a better/softer wake than a 209 ... and I am a fan of both boats ..... the 214/X14 platform is really a nice ski boat .... I like the wake better than my former 93 prostar 190 ... can't go wrong with either package. I bought a 2008 214 and all I can say is that I am very happy with the choice!

duckguy
01-26-2009, 09:55 PM
There is lots of talk of the ski wake, but I would really love to know what the wakeboard wake is like. Jim if you get an hour and can take yours out, load it up with some extra bags and snap a few shots.

sand2snow22
01-26-2009, 10:27 PM
Duck, have you seen Rewind 2009? Chick does a nice invert behind the X-14v :)

duckguy
01-26-2009, 10:33 PM
Yeah I have and yes she does. I just would like to know with the engine moved to the rear and the addition of the rear storage lockers(being able to plumb in the x2 sacs) what the wake will look like.

sand2snow22
01-26-2009, 11:05 PM
It's a heavier boat, too. 3,800 lbs. Not much storage back there. Wake might be pretty big.

duckguy
01-26-2009, 11:18 PM
Thats what I was thinking. For me those back lockers would be dedicated to the supp. ballast. The side storage area is huge though. I crawled around the v recently and I have to say that I loved it. I do not ski, but I do foot, LL and boom as well as board. This might be the boat closest to being able to do both of those things.

sand2snow22
01-26-2009, 11:40 PM
Engine hump from the side is a funny looking to me. The back of the hull slopes down, very X-14 and 197-ish, yet the engine and back compartments rise up? It seems they could have engineered it better.

trunderw
04-03-2009, 02:07 PM
I spend most of my water time on a lake that gets fairly rough in the afternoons when the other boats come out. My 190 beats the crap out of itself and me just moving around-nevermind getting up to skiing speeds. Which of the 2** series boats perform the best in chop?

peason
04-03-2009, 03:47 PM
I spend most of my water time on a lake that gets fairly rough in the afternoons when the other boats come out. My 190 beats the crap out of itself and me just moving around-nevermind getting up to skiing speeds. Which of the 2** series boats perform the best in chop?

209 handles great in rougher water.

93Prostar190
04-03-2009, 04:23 PM
My 214 is really good compared to my previous 190 .... although I am speculating a 214V would have the best rough water ride.

starrski
05-01-2010, 06:11 PM
It's a season later and I have 95 hours on an '07 X-14. The X-14 is a much better slalom boat, and equal as a wakeboard boat to our '01 prostar 209. (Hours on the new boat are from two separate 40+ hour weeks on Lake Powell, most of the rest are shop hours fixing issues.)

The bow nose and gunnels are lower in the X-14, so plan on more water for your bow seats. It takes more concentration to come back for riders when the ballast is full and people up front so you don't dive the bow.

The X-14 wake is just a little lower than the 209, but is softer to hit in slalom. Most important is that it is narrower, more of a competitive width when running the course. The 209 wake width messed up timing on wake crossings, and the prop churn is less consistent. (Prop changes did not affect width or texture on the 209.)

The X-14 is much stronger out of the water for slalom starts.

VDIG needs a total rework. It is not logical, error messages cover perfect pass information, and it never seems that you are on the right menu for what your are doing. The paddle wheel speedo is less responsive than the analog pito tube pickups/dual speedos.

The new Indmar engine with catalytic convertor setup to meet CA emission standards is still glithy. Prone to overheating if you store your boat out of the water on a trailer or lift between uses; it seems to have trouble clearing air bubbles from all of the hoses. The system is very dependant on accurate and consistent data from the many sensors feeding the computers, including the paddle wheel. Difficult to troubleshoot and reproduce problems, either on the water or at the shop.

The X-14 is a great all around boat for running the slalom course, teaching, and wakeboarders up to intermediates. OK for wakesurfing if you don't overload the boat trying for a big wake; go for a longer, lower, and more solid/stronger wake works great. The only other solution would be to own a prostar 190 stripped down slalom boat, and a fully loaded X-star.

93Prostar190
05-01-2010, 09:46 PM
Good write-up my 2008 wtih MCX has not shown any of the same engine symptoms you have mentioned ... I find the MCX on my 214 to be a great engine.

Good analysis on your behalf ... although my sensors don't seem to cause issues. I don't have the VDIG ... and I find the speedo to be pretty good.

The 214/x14 is just a really good platform if you have a family and are still serious slalom interest.
My dreams of wake surfing behind my 214 are not going to come true ... the 214 is not as good as a v-drive for the wake surfer crowd.