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jay73
12-11-2008, 02:45 PM
As promised guys, I'll keep posting as the work commences.

First few pics are as she was when I picked her up 2 weeks ago (Dec 08)

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k185/jay73/mastercraft/9a01_1.jpg
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k185/jay73/mastercraft/9eba_1.jpg
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k185/jay73/mastercraft/a83d_1.jpg
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k185/jay73/mastercraft/ac24_1.jpg

Covi
12-11-2008, 05:43 PM
I use to ski on that Kidder red line pro graphite. Loved it. By the way nice job on the new purchase! Keep us posted with pletny of pics!

Slinkyredfoot
12-11-2008, 05:45 PM
I use to ski on that Kidder red line pro graphite. Loved it. By the way nice job on the new purchase! Keep us posted with pletny of pics!

Still got mine

Covi
12-11-2008, 05:48 PM
Still got mine

Have you found anything that skis similar?

Kevin 89MC
12-11-2008, 05:58 PM
That is a sweet boat! Nice find. Looking forward to the resto progress & pictures.
Welcome to the board!
Kevin

454Prostar190
12-11-2008, 06:04 PM
Could that boat be a 1980? Newer bow, old dash and the late windshield? Gonna be nice:)!

jay73
12-12-2008, 04:14 AM
hopefully I'll be able to find the number on the transom over the weekend and the year of manufacture mystery can be finally sorted..

in the meantime..

the rip out started within 24 hours of me getting the boat home..

the reason being the inner (engine mount) stringers are more like mush than wood.. the front mount had dropped by about 1"
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k185/jay73/mastercraft/06122008156.jpg


real comfy rear seat area.. lol
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k185/jay73/mastercraft/b283_1.jpg

now gone..
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k185/jay73/mastercraft/29112008147.jpg

and the front now gone too..
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k185/jay73/mastercraft/DSCF0207.jpg

jay73
12-12-2008, 04:23 AM
with the carpet ripped up it was time to get onto the floor itself..

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k185/jay73/mastercraft/DSCF0209-1.jpg

the ply bulkhead panel you can see under the dashboard is now removed as that had also rotted due to the fact when the later windshield was fitted it hadnt been sealed correctly
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k185/jay73/mastercraft/DSCF0211.jpg

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k185/jay73/mastercraft/DSCF0210.jpg

the rip out is a bit further on than pictured at the moment but I didnt take any pics from last weekends work.. I'll get some done before I start this weekend (hopefully he says cause its snowing at the moment)

jay73
12-12-2008, 04:25 AM
this is where the works happening.. under cover but outside...

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k185/jay73/mastercraft/DSCF0212.jpg

JohnE
12-12-2008, 08:51 AM
Nice pics, nice boat, and nice project. Thanks for sharing.

The HIN should be right below the rubrail on the right side of the transom. The info is killing me already, I can't believe you've had the boat for a week and haven't found it yet.

jay73
12-12-2008, 09:39 AM
The HIN should be right below the rubrail on the right side of the transom. The info is killing me already, I can't believe you've had the boat for a week and haven't found it yet.

lol its killing you !!!

I didnt even know there was such a thing as a HIN ?? I knew it wasnt mid 80's and suspected very early, I also knew it was quite a rare colour as I have only ever seen 1 other in black 20 years ago and as my sherlock holmes / columbo investigations turned out its the same boat anyway LOL..

Now i'm excited to the prospect that it might even be the only 1 in the uk.

I'll be looking for this damn HIN number tomorrow in the daylight for sure it'll be posted here about 30 seconds after !!!

sethro
12-12-2008, 09:42 AM
Oh look, a shiny new carburetor. I love the gel scheme.

jay73
12-12-2008, 09:45 AM
yeh its recently had a new holley and mallory electronic ignition fitted

jay73
12-17-2008, 04:32 AM
Right there is no hun on my boat just some little holes where possibly an id plate used to be, I'm not concerned as my friends 85 S&S also has no hun, and I checked 2 other boats locally and they haven't got a stamped in number either.. so what the heck its carry on regardless...

didnt get any work done on the boat last weekend due to the terrible weather, this weekend looks better and have arranged for the engine to be removed so I can get on ripping the stringers out.. will get some more pics up over the weekend

M-Funf
12-17-2008, 06:19 PM
Nice looking boat. :D

Keep up the good work, and keep posting pictures!

Cloaked
12-17-2008, 08:44 PM
Right there is no hun on my boat just some little holes where possibly an id plate used to be, I'm not concerned as my friends 85 S&S also has no hun, and I checked 2 other boats locally and they haven't got a stamped in number either.. so what the heck its carry on regardless...

didnt get any work done on the boat last weekend due to the terrible weather, this weekend looks better and have arranged for the engine to be removed so I can get on ripping the stringers out.. will get some more pics up over the weekend80 or 81 model. Square windshield and dash combo.

There is an HIN (for American destined boats, which I would think they all got stamped unless it was imported to Europe on a black market and removed from the hull) and an engine serial number (silver tag near the top rear of the engine, under a bolt head). I have a cross reference sheet for all of the early numbers. The wood stringers also was a clue for the 80 - 82 models. The 79 had a rounded windshield. Thus an early 80s model in my opinion. 83 and on up had glass covered stringers. The color scheme is not that unique, in that it is a reverse scheme of a very popular black and grey boat in 79 (even though you make a valid point of the rare color scheme). Nice looking boat. Jeremy79 (a member here) has stripped a 79 model down to the bare hull and replaced stringers and all. A PM to him may be in order for some advice. He'll be glad to asssit.

jay73
12-18-2008, 03:47 AM
thanks for the info cloaked, but thats where the model year bit gets messy..
It originally had a curved windshield which has been replaced by the square one thats now fitted, and has glass covered stringers.

sethro
12-18-2008, 08:21 AM
To me it's a 78 or 79...textured finish on the deck I just noticed too. They are glass covered, but the stringers are wood. The composite stringer system started mid 83.

jay73
12-18-2008, 08:46 AM
just been looking at some various '79 models on the web and the dashboard is same as '79.. figure your right !

TMCNo1
12-18-2008, 08:50 AM
To me it's a 78 or 79...textured finish on the deck I just noticed too. They are glass covered, but the stringers are wood. The composite stringer system started mid 83.

Correct,
43029

43030

sizzler
12-19-2008, 10:14 AM
jay......nice boat...where abouts on the lakes do you ski????

i went to windermere a few times before they put the speed restrictions on there..

siz

jay73
12-19-2008, 10:55 AM
Hi siz,

on windermere mate !!!

there might be a restriction but its impossible to police 24/7

its pretty much ok before 10a.m. and after 5p.m.

and between 10 and 5 we just get the sacs filled up and slow it down to 10-15mph for surfing...

all the speed restriction has done has made the lake a hell of a lot quiter for us locals, boarding and surfing are the things to do in the daytime and for mono blasts theres only ever us out at 9pm with the tower lights on !!!

what used to be a good place to ski is now an awesome place..

CameronCarey
12-23-2008, 09:54 AM
For what its worth, my 77 is identical to yours, dash layout, trim layout, stringers, exhaust, vent on the back of the engine box, groovy 70s textured top surfaces but the stiffeners under the floor of my boat are foam filled inverted hat sections and much wider than yours.....and the windsheild of course........otherwise its exactly the same..... your boat may be older than 77

jay73
12-24-2008, 03:52 AM
looks like the year of manufacture mystery will never actually be solved, I'm still struggling to find out how many there are in this colour as I cant find any information anywhere.

****** WORK UPDATE NEWSFLASH ******

The engine is out !!!!!! had a friend come round last weekend with some big *** ford tractor thing, I had already disconnected the wiring,fuel etc.. it was out in like 5 minutes flat..

I'll get some pics posted up next weekend when its full steam ahead with getting the stringers ripped out

Wacko
04-02-2009, 01:31 PM
Just wondering if there is any progress on this resto?

Gamble
04-20-2009, 10:09 PM
I'd like to see some more pics too!

jay73
04-23-2009, 06:30 AM
progress has been continuing with the craft albeit quite slow, mostly due to the weather than anything.

Have been "netless" at home hence the lack of progress pictures. But am going to get some more up asap..

current state of play is both engine stringer mounts cut and shaped, port one completely glassed and just started to glass in position to hull, starboard one had first resin only coat and just about shaped and ready for glass..

Scarp
05-10-2009, 10:55 AM
You mentioned the stringers were rotted under the engine mounts. Will you be replacing the stringers? My son just realized that his for sure left stringer is gone. The mount actually dropped through the fiberglass about 1/2 an inch. What is the recommended repair for this failure? We thought we were all set with a completely rebuilt motor until yesterday afternoon when we discovered this latest issue. Would certainly appreciate any and all coaching on this one.
~SC

TMCNo1
05-10-2009, 10:58 AM
You mentioned the stringers were rotted under the engine mounts. Will you be replacing the stringers? My son just realized that his for sure left stringer is gone. The mount actually dropped through the fiberglass about 1/2 an inch. What is the recommended repair for this failure? We thought we were all set with a completely rebuilt motor until yesterday afternoon when we discovered this latest issue. Would certainly appreciate any and all coaching on this one.
~SC

Some threads here may help, http://www.google.com/cse?cx=0057758...gers&sa=Search (http://www.google.com/cse?cx=005775850323706454504%3A8-nmuizykqo&ie=UTF-8&q=replace+stringers&sa=Search)

TMCNo1
05-11-2009, 10:18 AM
I'd like to see some more pics too!

Here's the best thread of the bunch with lots of pictures,
http://www.mastercraft.com/teamtalk/showthread.php?t=23492&highlight=making+progress

jay73
05-11-2009, 04:48 PM
its been a while since I posted mostly due to slow net connection for uploading pics and the weather has been pretty terrible so I haven't had a lot of time to work on the craft..
latest pics to follow..

scarp:- yes am in the process of replacing both inner and outer stringers..

jay73
05-11-2009, 05:10 PM
after the careful removal of the stringers I ended up with a bare hull, I took care removing stringers as I wanted to save whatever I could to use as a template to remake the new ones.

I used douglas fir in 1/2 wider than stock purely because thats all that was available. Each piece was cut and shaped to size and then received its 1st coat of glass resin. then each piece had a layer of fibreglass mat also resined of course. (thats before they even went near the boat)

this pic has been taken this evening

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k185/jay73/mastercraft/11052009297.jpg

I have new 18mm marine ply bulkhead back in place which has had 2 coats resin and 1 hit of 600 csm (chop strand mat) then the whole thing has been "kitty hair" glassed into place.

the furthest stringer from camera has about 1/2 the csm to floor done, nearest to camera has literally been put in place this evening and now require its final coat of csm and then more csm to fix to floor.

ski pole and plate not fixed or ready to fit just yet its purely in place for width check of measurements..

its looking good so far and is dimensionally acurate and is also exactly level (oh yes who's the man !!!)

am fast running out of resin yet again ! so it'll be off to the suppliers at the weekend.
Am working on the principle that too much csm and resin isnt a bad thing !

CantRepeat
05-11-2009, 06:50 PM
Very nice work. It's terrible that you have to do this during the summer time. What is the weather like over there right now?

jay73
05-12-2009, 04:21 AM
my friend has an 85 mastercraft that we take out quite regular so I'm not short of boats to use.

Due to the weather being so bad and not being able to work on the boat I spent considerable time researching the history of the particular boat, Have since found out after much investigation that the boat was 1 of 2 originally imported to the uk in this particular colour and that the other one was stolen and is still reported missing.

I even went so far as to contact the police, who contacted the owner of the other boat, previous owners of my boat and also uk waterways registrations, basically I had my own boat investigated by the police to make sure it wasnt the missing one (which it wasnt) but they did confirm it is 1 of 2 and now due to the other one stolen/missing presumed lost forever looks highly likely the only original one still remaining in the UK... :D

Figure its going to take as long as it takes to finish cause it'll be worth it !

454Prostar190
05-12-2009, 02:28 PM
I have a 14ft simms super V with inboard 4 cylinder and jet drive to muck about with plus my friend has an 85 mastercraft that we take out quite regular so I'm not short of boats to use.

Due to the weather being so bad and not being able to work on the boat I spent considerable time researching the history of the particular boat, Have since found out after much investigation that the boat was 1 of 2 originally imported to the uk in this particular colour and that the other one was stolen and is still reported missing.

I even went so far as to contact the police, who contacted the owner of the other boat, previous owners of my boat and also uk waterways registrations, basically I had my own boat investigated by the police to make sure it wasnt the missing one (which it wasnt) but they did confirm it is 1 of 2 and now due to the other one stolen/missing presumed lost forever looks highly likely the only original one still remaining in the UK... :D
Figure its going to take as long as it takes to finish cause it'll be worth it !

Knowing the history of your boat like that is great! I have an '82 S and S that has a bit of history also, as it was the towboat for a marine park in my area. It came from the factory with a big block chevy along with a few other unique items and I've been told that it's 1 of 4 that were built in this fashion with factory docking lights and the Enjoy Coca Cola lettering. I meet people on occasion that have skied behind it... 20 years ago and the local Mastercraft dealer has been a wealth of information for me although, I don't know where or how the fellow that I bought the boat from 8yrs ago, acquired it.

Great story and it sounds like you have the last one in the UK and it's going to be sharp! That's cool! Rick

jay73
07-31-2010, 03:43 AM
been a long long time since I was here !!!

however things are progressing pretty well, stringers are all in, motors back in, am in the process of getting all the wiring / plumbing re-done, just had the swim deck painted at my paintshop which is looking sweeeeeet...

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k185/jay73/IMG_0157.jpg

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k185/jay73/IMG_0178.jpg

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k185/jay73/IMG_0177.jpg

TLR67
07-31-2010, 09:49 AM
friggin awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!

joecarew3
07-31-2010, 10:13 AM
This has got to be one of the longest resto threads. The boat is just awesome, love the swim platform. Bet you can't wait to have it completed! Keep up the good work.

jay73
07-31-2010, 11:25 AM
It'll be an even longer thread by the time it's truly finished !! I maybe get about 10 hours a
month free time to work on it but timescale was never important it was more about getting it right, there been design changes along the way to make it a quality rebuild. I could have thrown it together and hit the water 12 months ago but I'm just aren't like that. Have just ordered some silver metal flake from house of color as the engine covers the next thing in the booth.. They tell
me 1 month wait just for the paint to arrive !!!

jay73
08-31-2010, 02:29 AM
well works progressing at a more reasonable pace lately, due to the weather being fine and me having a bit more spare time at the moment, floor sections cut and beginning to be glassed in, haven made rear section (above coupling) removeable without having to unscrew the damn engine cover, also the front section where ski pylon fits is also going to be removeable to allow easy access to wiring etc..

didnt like the rear seat area so arent going to be fitting one, also didnt like the crappy fitment of this panel so decided to make some storage and recut the panel to suit..

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k185/jay73/IMG_0296.jpg

yes !! an S&S with a bit of storage !! - just enough room for the odd can / bottle :)

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k185/jay73/IMG_0298.jpg

gr82bgreen
08-31-2010, 03:21 PM
Nice to see some progress. Did you ever locate HIN and find out he year?

jay73
08-31-2010, 11:07 PM
Oh yes indeed there has been a lot of developments. I had been informed by a guy who worked for mastercraft uk that he thought my boat was originally Andy Mapples boat. Anyway that sort of set me off on a bit of a mission as I already knew it was a rare colour so I emailed Andy who now lives in Florida. Oh before I carry on am talking about Andy Mapple world slalom champion ! Anyway I didn't hear anything back from Andy as to "did he used to own etc.." but then out of the blue andy's faher turns up at my house who lives about ten minutes away from me ! So the tale continues, the boats rare ! Rare as rocking horse **** basically ! Mr Mapple senior ordered it as a special order with mastercraft for the 1981 Thorpe park world water ski championships... Gulp... However there was another boat commissioned afterwards by mastercraft with permission from Mr Mapple as a duplicate.. Mr Mapple looked all over my boat for scrapes to the front of hull where they had run it up the beach in 81 although mine does have a few scrapesmit isn't really consistent with it being run up a beach.. So it doesn't look like mine is the original mapple boat but the 2nd mastercraft uk boat... However I do know for a fact that the other identical boat was stolen in June 2008 which it looks like will have been the original mapple boat which leaves me with the only 1 of this colour anywhere in the world ?

BrianB36
08-31-2010, 11:29 PM
i like it different

Bert
08-31-2010, 11:32 PM
Gonna be a cool boat when finished.

rjracin240
09-06-2010, 08:33 PM
All that good beer over there such as a nice Spitfire or a Fiddlers Elbow and you show a picture of that Stella Artois
In all fun mate keep up the good work, and if you ever make it over here to Florida I would be more than happy to give a fellow Brit a pull

yes !! an S&S with a bit of storage !! - just enough room for the odd can / bottle :)

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k185/jay73/IMG_0298.jpg[/QUOTE]

gaz46
10-13-2010, 04:49 PM
have you made anymore progress with the resto????