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jbfootin
11-04-2008, 01:43 PM
Here you go

Upper Michigan Prostar190
11-04-2008, 01:43 PM
Uh......... what?

damaged442
11-04-2008, 01:51 PM
Didn't I hear that all polls should have the UMP option?

Ski-me
11-04-2008, 01:54 PM
Interesting to see the results throughout the day.....

Voted!

VOLFAN
11-04-2008, 02:10 PM
I wish our votes was the only ones that counted...

I think you should be employeed, retired or in school to be able to vote. I do not think any of the voters that acorn recruited should count.

I can not believe what I am hearing and seeing when it comes to these people that are for Obama!

I will not vote for the feel good, but the do good (which is McCain)

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/11/03/video-of-obama-coal-bankruptcy/ (fyi I work at a coal burning plant)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6ikOxi9yYk (This is the kind of person voting for Obama! )



http://www.no-libs.com/index.php/MyBlog/The-Enemy-Within/Fort-Dix-William-Ayers-Barack-Obama.html



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9TFRONW4S0

http://www.breitbart.tv/html/195153.html (This will effect me... also what started out as 250k has shrunk to 150k)

Bottomline it I do not like anything Obama stands for.

Upper Michigan Prostar190
11-04-2008, 02:12 PM
Do you think Freddy knows where we can find a Forklift in Cincinatti?

TMCNo1
11-04-2008, 02:13 PM
This should be McCain's theme song, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUvEouWA29o&feature=related

jbfootin
11-04-2008, 03:18 PM
so far this thing is pretty lopsided! I dont think the real vote will be this one sided

VOLFAN
11-04-2008, 03:33 PM
so far this thing is pretty lopsided! I dont think the real vote will be this one sided


As I said... I wish we (Team Talk Members) was the only votes that counted.

'02xrider
11-04-2008, 03:37 PM
Vote early .... and often!!!:D

VOLFAN
11-04-2008, 03:40 PM
I am voting once and right! McCain all the way.

If you vote often you must be voting for Obama ? Was you recruited by Acorn?

Upper Michigan Prostar190
11-04-2008, 04:36 PM
As I said... I wish we (Team Talk Members) was the only votes that counted.

are you serious? how can we get pot legalized with closed minded people like we have here?

VOLFAN
11-04-2008, 04:39 PM
are you serious? how can we get pot legalized with closed minded people like we have here?

If it ever gets legalized will that not take some of the fun out of it? Also if it ever is legalized it will be like cigs you will not be allowed to smoke it anywhere...

wakeX2wake
11-04-2008, 04:44 PM
cast... "marijuana is not a drug... no cocaine... there's an addicition...(i'll not finish this quote so as to keep this PG)" - half baked

Upper Michigan Prostar190
11-04-2008, 04:45 PM
If pot is illegal, stupidity should be illegal then too.

'02xrider
11-04-2008, 04:49 PM
It's an estimated 12 billion crop in California alone--more than all the legal crops put together!! Law enforcement figures for eradication almost double every year, yet the crop value grows every year. Seems like my taxes could be better spent elsewhere but then again, i'm just one of those scumbag liberals.

wakeX2wake
11-04-2008, 05:02 PM
not liberal nor conservative... for common sense... and what makes the most sense... how's that forklift coming?

THIS MIGHT HELP... NOT MUCH BUT IT MIGHT (http://www.yellowpages.com/Cincinnati-OH/Forklifts-Trucks-Rental?search_terms=forklift)

Upper Michigan Prostar190
11-04-2008, 05:05 PM
It's an estimated 12 billion crop in California alone--more than all the legal crops put together!! Law enforcement figures for eradication almost double every year, yet the crop value grows every year. Seems like my taxes could be better spent elsewhere but then again, i'm just one of those scumbag liberals.

Imagine that!!!!!!! a scumbag liberal that pays taxes! are you SURE your liberal?

I dont get it.

trickskier
11-04-2008, 05:07 PM
If pot is illegal, stupidity should be illegal then too.

How often do you look in the mirror??? 41859

Skipper
11-04-2008, 05:09 PM
In Philly they got Black Panthers intimidating people in front of the polling places. Imagine that, a terrorist organization acting on behalf of Osama. Who would have thunk it?

'02xrider
11-04-2008, 05:09 PM
Imagine that!!!!!!! a scumbag liberal that pays taxes! are you SURE your liberal?

I dont get it.

i'm pretty sure ump. And believe it or not, I even have a job!!!

'02xrider
11-04-2008, 05:10 PM
....and attend college in my spare time also!!!!!

Doug G
11-04-2008, 05:12 PM
You must be one of those token liberals they keep around to make the rest look good

RexDog1
11-04-2008, 05:17 PM
I was just sent this.......................... what the heII :confused::confused::confused:

November 03, 2008
Say Goodbye to America
By Noel Sheppard

No matter who wins Tuesday America is going to be a different country.


When the sun rises on November 5, regardless of who the president-elect is, a more un-United States than has existed since the Civil War will wake to dispute the results of the disgusting campaign that has mercifully come to an end.


Whoever the losers, they will believe they were cheated, and will point fingers at those they believe responsible. Almost half the nation will view the winner as illegitimate, and will do everything in their power to undermine his authority as long as he's in the White House.


With this animosity will come a new level of hatred between those of differing political persuasions like nothing our country has experienced in the modern era.


Putting it bluntly, and without sounding too much like Rev. Jeremiah "G-d Damn America" Wright, there will be no such thing as Americans anymore.


Instead, there'll be Democrats and Republicans, Liberals and Conservatives, and encounters between the members of these groups will for years nay decades be at best unfriendly, and at worst quite hostile if not downright violent.


Think this an overstatement? Consider first what Wednesday will look like if John McCain pulls off the upset.


To begin with, let's be very clear about one thing: Democrats believe that if they lose an election it's because their opponent cheated. It's never their fault. It's never because they ran a poor campaign. It's never because their opponent ran a better one.


Heck no!


It's always about voter fraud, disenfranchisement, not enough ballots, faulty machinery, hanging chads, negative advertising, intimidation tactics, campaign finance abuses, you name it.


Such is the legacy of Al Sore Loser Gore: regardless of how many news outlets went to Florida in January 2001 and found that if the counting had continued Bush still would have won, the overwhelming majority of Democrats think that election was stolen.


To make clear the level of victimhood and paranoia, here's what author Erica Jong wrote Friday:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/erica-jong/podunk-dogpatch-politics_b_139365.html


I puzzled for a long time about why the Democrats were not publicizing defective voting machines nor discussing the stolen elections of 2000 and 2004...I fear we are going to have a Tuesday bloody Tuesday. Be prepared -- that's the boy scouts' marching song -- as Tom Lehrer wrote.


Honestly, this woman should write a new book called "Fear of Thinking." But I digress, for you probably can't imagine what's going to happen on Wednesday as Democrats in highly-populated, poor districts around the country complain about voting irregularities and disenfranchisement. But Jong can:

http://www.observer.com/2008/politics/erica-jong-tells-italians-obama-loss-will-spark-second-american-civil-war-blood-will-r


If Obama loses it will spark the second American Civil War. Blood will run in the streets, believe me. And it's not a coincidence that President Bush recalled soldiers from Iraq for Dick Cheney to lead against American citizens in the streets.


Don't dismiss this offhand as the ravings of a lunatic, for lunatics are often right about matters related to lunacy.


To make my point, I offer the now overly-discussed Bradley effect and how it relates to exit polls: How many people as they leave the voting booth Tuesday will lie to pollsters about who they voted for?


Before you answer, try to imagine the pressures many people are going to feel in certain districts around the country to answer "Obama" rather than "McCain" irrespective of the truth. Also consider the possibility that many McCain supporters will just refuse to answer the question thereby skewing the results.


Although Democrat strategist Donna Brazile has talked for months about racism being the elephant in the room this campaign, here's an elephant Donna and her ilk are afraid to address: in some districts in this country, it will be VERY difficult for pollsters to find folks willing to admit they voted for McCain.


With the election as tight as it is, just a few percent of such embarrassed-to-look-like-racists will give the appearance that Obama has won key battleground states.


Here's another elephant: it is almost a metaphysical certitude the exit polls in at least one state will conflict with the actual results thereby opening the door for the perpetually sore losing Democrats to cry foul.


Now that's a big elephant.


Can you imagine the Rodney King-style rioting that might occur as a result, especially when folks like Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Chuck Schumer, and the usual suspects get in front of television cameras blaming Republicans and John McCain for stealing another election, this time from a black man?


They'll be on all the morning shows Wednesday doing what they do best: fomenting hate, and pointing fingers.


Lest we not forget how quickly Louis Farrakhan, Jesse Jackson, and Al Sharpton will be on planes heading to that state (or states!) with their teeming hordes of NAACP and ACLU lawyers.


Can you imagine the chaos?


But that's just the beginning, for the Obama-loving media are also going to feel scorned, and will spend all day Wednesday airing hideously biased segment after hideously biased segment demonstrating to viewers how Republicans prevented people from voting in largely black districts in the state(s) in question. Op-eds and editorials in newspapers across the fruited plain will do the same.


Rest assured if folks aren't mad enough about the election's outcome, you can count on angry press representatives to stoke the fires of discontent until riots start somewhere, for nothing would please sycophants like Chris Matthews, Keith Olbermann, and Jack Cafferty more than rioting across the country if McCain wins.


Of course, they'll refer to it as civil disobedience regardless of how uncivil it gets.


And don't expect the Messiah to do anything to quell the hostilities. Being gracious in defeat isn't a Democrat virtue.


Much like Gore and Kerry before him -- readers should recall Kerry not conceding election evening 2004, and, instead waiting for numbers to be verified in Ohio Wednesday where Democrats still believe the election was stolen! -- Obama will likely withhold his concession speech while his lawyers do his bidding.


In fact, they're already preparing for such an eventuality. The Baltimore Sun reported Saturday

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/world/bal-md.enthusiasm01nov01,0,5999644.story

, "Thousands of lawyers are descending on Florida and Ohio to monitor precincts and spot any irregularities."


You betcha!


On the flipside, although an Obama victory will likely not result in immediate acts of violence, Republicans already feel cheated by this campaign for a number of reasons, and understand full well that they literally have the most to lose in this election; the Messiah, contrary to all his lies on the stump, clearly intends to redistribute wealth, and it sure isn't Republicans that are going to be on the receiving end of the junior senator from Illinois' charity.


But before we get there, let's be perfectly frank: Obama should never have been a presidential candidate in the first place, and, at the very least, should have been quickly discarded by Hillary in either Iowa or New Hampshire.


With the nation involved in two wars, and the economy in trouble, there's no way a freshman senator with so little experience and no significant pieces of legislation under his belt would ever have raised enough money to mount a presidential campaign, and certainly not a successful one.


However, the media gave Obama Messiah-like status the moment he threw his hat into the ring -- thereby making it easy for him to find benefactors! -- and pushed him past the once-inevitable Hillary. Even worse, they aided and abetted Obama and his minions to dismiss any attacks by the Clinton campaign as racist while diminishing her with sexist and misogynistic barbs disingenuously ignored by a normally feminist press corps.


Once Hillary was tossed aside like so much garbage, media ignored each and every issue that could possibly undermine Obama's ascendancy while savagely attacking Sarah Palin as well as an Ohio plumber that had the unmitigated audacity to actually ask the Messiah a decent question.


Don't even get me started on how the so-called impartial press overlooked every gaffe and misstatement made by Joe Biden while giving the Messiah a pass for going back on his promise to accept public campaign funds instead opting to raise and spend more money on his presidential aspirations than anybody ever believed possible.


As CNN.com reported October 24: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/24/obama-spending-more-on-ads-than-all-but-att-and-verizon/


[A]ccording to advertising figures provided by Campaign Media Analysis Group, CNN's consultant on ad spending, Barack Obama's campaign has spent more money selling its candidate on television than most major brand name companies do selling their products.



The Illinois senator's campaign is projected to have spent $250 million on ads in the last four months - a number that is equivalent to $750 million in a full year. Only AT&T, with a yearly advertising budget of about $1.3 billion, and Verizon, which shells out $950 million a year on ads, spends more than the Democratic presidential nominee.


But most major companies spend far less than Obama, including McDonald's ($588 million), Sprint PCS ($482 million), T-Mobile ($404 million), Target ($388 million), and Wal-Mart ($335 million). [...]


"If Obama wins it is clear that the days of being on public financing are over and anyone thinking of running for president in four years will have to ask themselves one question before jumping in - Can I raise $600 million?" said [CMAG's Evan] Tracey.


Just imagine the kind of press McCain would have gotten if he had refused public financing, and spent the kind of ad dollars Obama has. Americans likely would have been told virtually 24 hours a day, seven days a week that rich Republicans were trying to buy the election.


However, because this is the Messiah, such talk was practically verboten.


Without a doubt, the media playing field this campaign season was as un-level as most Americans have probably ever experienced, or, for that matter ever imagined, and if Obama wins, this is going to leave a bad taste in the mouths of Republicans for many years to come.


Such negative sentiments will quickly be magnified when the Messiah, like Bill Clinton before him, goes back on his campaign promise to cut taxes on 95 percent of Americans, and instead announces -- possibly in less than a month -- that taxes will have to be raised for the majority of wage earners.


What will be the catalyst for this decision? The exploding budget deficit, of course.


After all, the fiscal 2009 budget projects unified revenues (including Social Security and Medicare) of $2.7 trillion, and unified expenditures of $3.1 trillion. However, these numbers assume a 2.2 percent growth in the Gross Domestic Product and 5.6 percent unemployment.


Hello? McFly?


We're currently at 6.1 percent unemployment, which will certainly go much higher in the coming months, likely stopping in the eights if we're lucky. And, as the recession has certainly started, 2.2 percent growth in FY '09 seems highly-doubtful. As such, $2.7 trillion in tax receipts might be a very aggressive forecast.


Maybe more important, $3.1 trillion in projected expenditures doesn't include the $700 billion (and counting!) allocated to bailing out failed financial institutions. This means that for the first time since World War II, America will spend 40 percent more than it collects creating a budget deficit almost guaranteed to be in excess of $1 trillion...and everybody in Washington knows it.


With this in mind, the talk coming from Democrats like House Financial Services Committee Chairman Barney Frank that tax cuts may have to be postponed next year due to the recession is a lot of pre-election hooey. These folks want higher taxes, and with the Messiah in command, they're gonna get 'em.


Yet, Obama has promised low income voters who don't currently pay federal taxes that they're going to get checks to offset their property and state taxes...and that's a promise this socialist is gonna keep.


You betcha!


As a result, most Americans, in a slowing economy that's making them fearful for their jobs and their futures, will see their income taxes rise as Obama supporters receive checks largely funded by McCain supporters. And that's likely when things will really begin getting ugly, for the class warfare that Obama-Biden have been playing during this campaign will cease being only figurative.


To paraphrase Guido the Killer Pimp from the film "Risky Business," in a sluggish economy, never, ever mess with a man's livelihood.


But that's what the Messiah is going to do, and as a result a lot of normally non-violent folks who "cling to guns or religion" are going to really be feeling "antipathy to people who aren't like them," just not for the reasons Obama believes.


And therein lies the real tragedy, for November 4, 2008, could have been a shining moment in American history. After all, a black man is running for president, and might actually win. This should have united the country like never before, and come close to ending the racism that has been one of our nation's banes since its inception.


However, because Obama used race to get himself to this point, while also pitting folks of differing incomes against each other for his own political benefit, it seems far more likely that tomorrow will divide our country like it hasn't been in over a century ushering back in hatred that will make Martin Luther King Jr. roll over in his grave.


As a result, Tuesday has all the makings of a day that will live in infamy, for what "The One" has wrought will leave behind an America that resembles nothing like what we've asked in song for years be blessed.


Ironically, it seems the Messiah's reverend will get his wish after all.

Upper Michigan Prostar190
11-04-2008, 05:20 PM
this is just crazy! liberals with jobs!!! Go figure!!!

Upper Michigan Prostar190
11-04-2008, 05:22 PM
so seeing I am new to this whole politics things, are ALL liberals scumbags as you indicated you were 02xrider?

Upper Michigan Prostar190
11-04-2008, 05:23 PM
i'm pretty sure ump. And believe it or not, I even have a job!!!

have you ran this concept by Ric and Steve yet?

Skipper
11-04-2008, 05:32 PM
I was just sent this.......................... what the heII :confused::confused::confused:

November 03, 2008
Say Goodbye to America
By Noel Sheppard

No matter who wins Tuesday America is going to be a different country....

...As a result, Tuesday has all the makings of a day that will live in infamy, for what "The One" has wrought will leave behind an America that resembles nothing like what we've asked in song for years be blessed.

Ironically, it seems the Messiah's reverend will get his wish after all.

Maybe it is true, Obama IS the anti-Christ!

'02xrider
11-04-2008, 06:23 PM
have you ran this concept by Ric and Steve yet?

Naw Ump, I don't really want any more people to know that liberals actually work and alongside conservatives many times at that!

ChicagoX55
11-04-2008, 06:45 PM
RexDog. . . I think that should have its own thread!!!!!

TX.X-30 fan
11-04-2008, 07:07 PM
Naw Ump, I don't really want any more people to know that liberals actually work and alongside conservatives many times at that!




If they actually did that why did we need sub-prime mortgages. :confused:



hey free beer, health insurance, cars, homes, you name it Americans will not have to pay for it.

I need to get my weathermen/black panther registration going.

RexDog1
11-04-2008, 07:14 PM
RexDog. . . I think that should have its own thread!!!!!

Oh no not me :noface::noface:

I have been in trouble with the Mods last week, and I need to be a good boy :popcorn::popcorn:

mitch
11-04-2008, 07:24 PM
never would have guess ya'll would have been leaning that far toward McCain. excellent

ProTour X9
11-04-2008, 07:40 PM
This should be McCain's theme song, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUvEouWA29o&feature=related

I like this one too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tf4Jg05kG50&feature=related

h2oskifreak
11-04-2008, 07:46 PM
Obviously most of us read the Obama plan and hate the idea of a Master Craft tax.

'02xrider
11-04-2008, 07:54 PM
If they actually did that why did we need sub-prime mortgages. :confused:



hey free beer, health insurance, cars, homes, you name it Americans will not have to pay for it.

I need to get my weathermen/black panther registration going.

Any facts to back this up or just your perception?

Justjoe
11-04-2008, 08:57 PM
Wow!!! Apparently this group has a different position than much of the country. Too bad we can't blend the two, add ms Dole instead of ms Palin, and move along.

Free beer sounds awesome!!

TMCNo1
11-04-2008, 11:25 PM
Wow!!! Apparently this group has a different position than much of the country. Too bad we can't blend the two, add ms Dole instead of ms Palin, and move along.

Free beer sounds awesome!!

I dunno, Ms. Dole just lost her senate seat here in NC!

flipper
11-04-2008, 11:54 PM
Do you think Freddy knows where we can find a Forklift in Cincinatti?

I tried to find out for you, but it seems freddy is still upset with me:D

ttu
11-05-2008, 12:07 AM
well it's done:cry::huh:

i guess the voters don't go by our poll.:rolleyes:

A.I. Rider
11-05-2008, 12:19 AM
Sure is. But if Fox News keeps showing Jesse Jackson cry, I may get sick. Maybe he is just upset that he didnt do in several tries what Barack did in one, with less experience. McCain is speaking now.....Hard fight for a good man who I do believe CARES about his country. Sad to see it not happen for him.

88 PS190
11-05-2008, 12:20 AM
well it's done:cry::huh:

i guess the voters don't go by our poll.:rolleyes:

not at all, give liberals a little rope and they will hang us all.

'02xrider
11-05-2008, 12:29 AM
not at all, give liberals a little rope and they will hang us all.

Yep, we're all getting our nooses ready right now because that is so what we want to do.:mad:

Get real people, listen to your candidates speech. We will never get anywhere out of the mess we are in now without EVERYONE's efforts.

Maristar210
11-05-2008, 12:36 AM
Yep, we're all getting our nooses ready right now because that is so what we want to do.:mad:

Get real people, listen to your candidates speech. We will never get anywhere out of the mess we are in now without EVERYONE's efforts.

Okay - well here is my wallet. You let me know what I can have back, okay?

were ****ed and mindless sheep like you made it so

bbymgr
11-05-2008, 12:45 AM
Man this site is full of a bunch of whiny b!tches. McCain lost. Quit crying. Adapt. Move on.

'02xrider
11-05-2008, 12:56 AM
Okay - well here is my wallet. You let me know what I can have back, okay?

were ****ed and mindless sheep like you made it so

I appreciate the offer maristar, but i'm not interested in your handouts or anyone elses. You keep your wallet and go to Walmart and get yourself a big ol towel to cry into.

When you can offer something that will actually help to unite the people of this country instead of divide it even more than it has been divided in the last 8 years maybe we can talk.

Till then, watch your back 'cuz all us liberals are just looking to take every last thing you have worked for:D

Harvey
11-05-2008, 01:11 AM
I was laid off in early June, my industry is drying up like the Sahara, the job market is soft, the economy is not growing it is shrinking, and we just elected a president who wants to give me a tax break!!!! How about a better job market or maybe some student loan, education money so I can retrain because a tax break on the little bacon I bring home now isn't going to do anything but piss me off when I blow the whole thing on a bag of potatoes at the grocery store. At least McCain proposed a tax break for big business which would get me more job opportunities and the potential to actually have some kind of income to pay taxes on.

'02xrider you are right it will take everyone to get us out of this but if you expect me to follow a "dream of change" like a donkey lead by a carrot tied to a stick then you have another thing coming.

'02xrider
11-05-2008, 01:22 AM
Maristar,

My apologies, I went over the line.

88 PS190
11-05-2008, 02:06 AM
Get real people, listen to your candidates speech. We will never get anywhere out of the mess we are in now without EVERYONE's efforts.


Of course not, but time will tell if Obama is any more capable of uniting republicans than bush was with the democrats.
Because our system so strongly discourages 3rd party candidates there is no middle ground, everything is polarized. And while Obama talks change I do not see what his change does for me.
So cooperate with something that I personally disagree with cheerfully?

And its the night of the election, we're allowed to complain for awhile, I seem to recall 8 years of it from my liberal friends. And that was without the new balance in senate and house, I would be alot happier holding atleast one.

Finally, I've always disagreed with high estate taxes. IMO the government has had its chance to dip its hands into that pot already. "McCain would set it at 15 percent for estates above $5 million. Obama would set it at 45 percent for estates above $3.5 million."

Its not unheard of for families who save money to accumulate 3.5 million in an estate, but having to pay 45% on that? You'd like to think if you and your spouse passed and you were leaving an inheritance to your children that half of it would disappear like that, wouldn't you?

Or maybe its completely acceptable, after all your children didn't save or make payments on it huh.

ULMboarder
11-05-2008, 02:24 AM
the african american students at my college are actually tryin to riot. the police have already gathered to make sure nuthin gets out of hand. some of my friends that live in the dorms are stayin with me tonight at the apartment. they didnt feel safe. if this is what the country is gonna be like with obama as president.... im ready to move.

Harvey
11-05-2008, 03:14 AM
Its not unheard of for families who save money to accumulate 3.5 million in an estate, but having to pay 45% on that? You'd like to think if you and your spouse passed and you were leaving an inheritance to your children that half of it would disappear like that, wouldn't you?

Or maybe its completely acceptable, after all your children didn't save or make payments on it huh.

I don't know that I mind the government taking 45% of my estate as long as they don't turn around and give it to some lazy *** who sits around and collects a check paid from my estate that I busted my hump to make. I don't sound like a Republican do I? :rolleyes:

Skipper
11-05-2008, 08:45 AM
the african american students at my college are actually tryin to riot. the police have already gathered to make sure nuthin gets out of hand. some of my friends that live in the dorms are stayin with me tonight at the apartment. they didnt feel safe. if this is what the country is gonna be like with obama as president.... im ready to move.

Of course the media will turn a blind eye to that one. ;)

Maristar210
11-05-2008, 09:12 AM
I appreciate the offer maristar, but i'm not interested in your handouts or anyone elses. You keep your wallet and go to Walmart and get yourself a big ol towel to cry into.

When you can offer something that will actually help to unite the people of this country instead of divide it even more than it has been divided in the last 8 years maybe we can talk.

Till then, watch your back 'cuz all us liberals are just looking to take every last thing you have worked for:D

Careful there son.

Dan K
11-05-2008, 09:19 AM
Obama is already running for re-election, in his speech last night he said many of his visions will take more than 1 term to make happen.

Gonzo
11-05-2008, 10:09 AM
Obama is already running for re-election, in his speech last night he said many of his visions will take more than 1 term to make happen.

He will pull the same crap Bush did, have a decent 4 yrs, doing what most everyone thinks is right. Get re-elected and then push whatever agenda he wants to push. We are not going to have a socialist government implemented until 2012, if we elect him then... that’s when things will really get crazy.

What has always worried me is moral stances rather then the political ones. Partial birth abortion, 16 yr olds getting them without even a note from parents because its made federal law (supported by Kerry in 04 not sure on Obama), The word God removed from all our coin, no prayer allowed at Government functions, the removal of charter schools, removal of home schooling... Once you go down those roads it’s Really, really hard to come back! When universal health care and this share the wealth nonsense do not work the American people will likely find a way to fix it. Medical trends and tax code change all the time, but recovering from them may be a large problem. Remember even at the height of conservatism, we couldn’t get the pledge of allegiance mandated in schools again. Also my Daughter will be 15 by the time he is out of office if he makes that 2nd term… What will she learn in that time watching our lawmakers hand wealth down from people who have earned it to people who have not? What will she learn watching the Government run healthcare and seeing that it doesn’t matter how hard daddy works or doesn’t, we get what everyone else does? She will learn that she does not need to work hard and does not need to try. What will she learn seeing the value of human life reduced to is -if it’s attached to my belly its just a blob-. All of these things are my job to teach her but my job just got 3 times harder. I can teach her all I want to, I can work hard all I want to but at the end of the day if a teenager sees that you can get something with little to no effort that’s the direction most of them go. Heck that explains a lot of the election results (along with us not really presenting a viable option).

My bottom line is the face of America has changed again, as it has so many times, but the scary part is I think America may reinvent itself with this one and that cannot be good. I told my 7 and 4 yr old kids on the way to school today, all we can do is pray for Mr. Obama, pray that he will make good decisions for everyone and know that God is Sovereign. Hopefully the new administration learned from its parties past mistakes with the .com bubble, and the sub prime bubble and can get this economy back on track. If not then I just hope this to shall pass without my fears being realized.

TX.X-30 fan
11-05-2008, 10:15 AM
All this reach across the isle is BS, watch reed and polosi, the republicans might as well stay home. It has already happened.


Funny thing is the mass uninformed that voted for this steaming pile of excrement will get whats coming. :D

Moderator2
11-05-2008, 10:17 AM
Election is over. Polls have closed.