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scramison
11-03-2008, 06:03 AM
So Im going back and forth about which boat to get. Im looking to try to stay in the mid 20k range. I have been looking at a 2004 X2 on ebay in the other thread and also a 2001 xstar for $26k in excellent shape. Can anyone tell me the main differences between these 2 boats? How much weight does the 2001 xstar come loaded with stock? Easy to put more weight in either?

Also I have been looking at 2001-2003 Super Air Nautiques. I read somewhere the wake is very rampy on these and I think this would suit me best. I want to try to learn tricks and figure I will need the launch to get up there. What does everyone think of being so aggressive right off the bat? I have done a full season on my friends 1997 ski centriun with a ski pylon. I did get to ride behind a malibu briefly. I can't do much but I figure once I get a boat I will learn very fast. I can go wake to wake and board slide just the basics.

Any advice is appreciated and please dont flame me for being a noob.

Jerseydave
11-03-2008, 12:06 PM
Welcome,

The 2001 X-star and 2004 X-2 are essentially the same boat. I would favor the newer model if they are both in the same condition, I believe the X-2 has swivel board racks and maybe some other nice additions that the older X-star doesn't have. Again, condition and price are factors.

Not sure what the stock ballast is on either boat, but you will want to add/change to something like this:

Remove stock rear hard tanks and replace with either (2) 400# or (2) 750 # sacs. They can be connected easily to the stock ballast pumps.
Add one sac to the ski locker and another in the walkway. This should give you a nice, rampy wake.

The older Super Airs do not have a rampy wake, but rather a steep "wall" with a defined lip that will easily throw you off balance. Not nearly as "friendly" of a wake as the X-2. The X-2 wake is one of the best available.

The X-2 also has a great wakesurf wake.
The X-2 is also decent for slalom and barefoot.

Good luck boat shopping (always fun!)

scramison
11-03-2008, 03:19 PM
If I were to buy an X30, does anyone know how much more gas I will use in comparison to an X-2 or x star?

Also how much better will the gas be on a SAN vs a X-2?

Can anyone elaborate a little more on the differences if there are more between the 2004 X-2 and 2001 X-star? I can get a 200 hour 01 X-Star for 26k or a hard used 500 hour X-2 for 24.5k

peason
11-03-2008, 03:32 PM
500 hours in 4 seasons is only 125 hours a season - on the high side, but we typically use our boat 100 hours in a 4 month season. Regular sevice is the key, has the oil been changed every 50 hours, has the boat been winterized correctly?
Personally I would go for the newer boat, if it was mechanically sound along with and equal or better interior and exterior.

corey
11-03-2008, 03:44 PM
There will be different engine options for one, the 2001 will either have a 310 hp throttle body injection or a 330 multi port. I prefer the 310 hp in this boat but that being said my buddy has a 2000 X-Star with the 330 and we have never had an issue.

The 2004 will either have a very similar 310 hp engine or a 350 hp multi port. Both are rock solid options.

The towers should be the same between both boats with the 2004 having nicer board racks.

I think the vynel is a little nicer in an 04' but it its been neglected it may be a non issue. Check out the upholstry in both, see if you can get service records on both and go from there. 500 hours is nothing to worry about if its been cared for.

I like to look at boats to see if they were "used" or "abused" 500 hours of use is no problem, 500 hours of abuse is another story.

Doug G
11-03-2008, 03:48 PM
How much fuel you use will be based on too many variables to compare straight up. Ballast, use of boat, which engine, prop, etc... "hard used" needs definition.

corey
11-03-2008, 03:52 PM
The fuel consumption issue is pretty mute. I think you would be hard pressed to see a discernable difference between the X30 and the X-2. I know the WW scene likes to trump this up but it seems to be more talk than anything, no one that I have seen has any numbers to back this claim up.

I run a 2000 X-Star and a 2006 X-1, both with factory ballast system removed and a much bigger ballast system installed, I've also run an X-10 stock and with extra ballast none seem to be all that much better or worse on gas. We run a pretty similar RPM for all boats at wakeboard and surfing speeds.

The X-30 is a much larger boat in terms of people capacity. The X-Star is rated for more but 8 people is about the max you can hold. If you plan on having more than that I would go for the X-30.

The X-Star (X-2) will have a better out of the box wake for wakeboarding, I think the X-30 has a little nicer surf wake.

scramison
11-03-2008, 04:48 PM
What is the difference between a 2000 Xstar and a 2004 X2 or 2001 Xstar? I found a screaming deal on a 2000 Xstar but it is a repo and needs work.

Here is the link
http://www.boattrader.com/find/listing/2000-Mastercraft-X-Star-93968784

the price is just a starting bid price but I imagine in the end it will be a good deal.

BTW it is a 5.7 indmar but they said it has slight engine rust and is making a funny noise?

Thanks again for yall's help

ttu
11-03-2008, 05:02 PM
by looking at the pics it has closed cooling and a galvanized trailer which leads me to believe this one was used in salt water.

i would pass.

russlars
11-03-2008, 05:34 PM
by looking at the pics it has closed cooling and a galvanized trailer which leads me to believe this one was used in salt water.

i would pass.
I would second that. A few red flags are running up the pole on that one. The repo being one big one for me.

corey
11-03-2008, 06:31 PM
Yeah I would take a pass on that it looks like it's been in salt and someone stole the speakers, at least the ones in the bow. The 2000's also lacked the 3 part ballast system that came standard in 2001. Only the sac in the ski locker was standard, if this boat has a 3 part (didnt actually read the descrip) it would have been done after the fact which may or may not be a good thing.

The 2000 gets a 1 piece rear sundeck with a hydraulic lift, the 01 and newer get a three part rear sundeck which is more functional.

The 2000 also gets a much less attractive wakeboard tower.

Upper Michigan Prostar190
11-03-2008, 06:54 PM
I would get a wakeboard boat if I were you.

scramison
11-03-2008, 07:05 PM
They said it was used in salt water. I think I will look else where because I dont want to have to deal with all the issues it has.

I would get a wakeboard boat if I were you.

Im confused are you saying that the 2000 xstar isn't a wakeboard boat? Or were you just refering to my comment on the X30?

Jerseydave
11-03-2008, 07:56 PM
I'd pass on that 2000, looks like future trouble.

Got a link to the other 2? You get what you pay for most of the time.

Willytown
11-03-2008, 08:51 PM
this is the same boat that you are looking at, low hours, has the mcx 350 hp, looks clean...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Boats___2003-Mastercraft-prostar-205vrs-immaculate-condition_W0QQitemZ150306887065QQddnZBoatsQQddiZ28 31QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item150306887065&_trkparms=72%3A727%7C39%3A1%7C65%3A12%7C240%3A1308&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245

scramison
11-03-2008, 09:27 PM
this guy wants $26k

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=160294177427

I talked this guy down to $23.5k

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190261987841

I havent neg. price with any of the below links:

No trailer but MCX!
http://www.onlyinboards.com/Details.aspx?ID=23490


http://www.onlyinboards.com/Details.aspx?ID=772905

I am looking for a boat with a dual axle trailer because I will be towing it to the lake.

I agree completely with you NJ, you do get what you pay for. I can say I have been on the other end of the situation and your not going to let your baby go for cheap.

scramison
11-03-2008, 09:29 PM
this is the same boat that you are looking at, low hours, has the mcx 350 hp, looks clean...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Boats___2003-Mastercraft-prostar-205vrs-immaculate-condition_W0QQitemZ150306887065QQddnZBoatsQQddiZ28 31QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item150306887065&_trkparms=72%3A727%7C39%3A1%7C65%3A12%7C240%3A1308&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245

What the difference between this and the X2 other than graphics, stitching, and perfect pass?

Willytown
11-03-2008, 10:13 PM
its the same exact boat. the graphics are the only difference

scramison
11-04-2008, 12:43 AM
on WW someone said the racks are unpleasant and I like nice racks :D

scramison
11-04-2008, 05:11 PM
well what do you think of those boats? Which would you go for?

ttu
11-04-2008, 05:30 PM
where are you located besides "dirty south"

russlars
11-04-2008, 05:53 PM
There is a lot to like about the red X2. The description and pics give a good overall assesment of it's condition. That being said, onlyinboards is a regular poster on this board and could probably give you a good assesment on the green one. No trailer would be a big detractor for most of us.

Jerseydave
11-04-2008, 06:17 PM
The first one looks to be in really nice condition for its age, and really low hours. Owner may have a lake house, I would bet the trailer didn't get much road use, ask the seller about that. Looks like it needs nothing, turn key and go. Get the price a bit lower and it's a good deal IMO.

I like the red one, looks like a bank repo (see US Bank trailer markings) Price is good, 310hp engine is all you need in that boat (my buddy runs his X-1 with that engine with lots of ballast......no problem with the 14.25 X 14.5 prop) Looks clean, try to get someone on here to look at it for you that lives in that area if you can.

The green one says hours ???? With all the sponsor decals, I would bet it's got alot of hours............and been run very hard either by a wake school or in contests. Never saw a 2003 X-star that wasn't the newer style (pickle-fork bow)

The last one looks like it has bottom paint, bad picture though. (need better pics)

Consider transport fees unless you're picking it up yourself, you may pay over $2.00/mile to have it delivered.

Jerseydave
11-04-2008, 06:18 PM
BTW, no need for a tandem trailer on any of these, the single axle is fine and uses 15" wheels and tires (14" on the tandem)

What will you tow it with and how far?

ttu
11-04-2008, 06:25 PM
[QUOTE=njskier;554130]BTW, no need for a tandem trailer on any of these, the single axle is fine and uses 15" wheels and tires (14" on the tandem)

my thoughts also, just get a spare if it does not come with one and you will be set.

i have had 1 single and 2 tandem trailers, the single makes it so much easier for move it around in the garage.

scramison
11-04-2008, 07:08 PM
where are you located besides "dirty south"

North Texas

scramison
11-04-2008, 07:13 PM
The first one looks to be in really nice condition for its age, and really low hours. Owner may have a lake house, I would bet the trailer didn't get much road use, ask the seller about that. Looks like it needs nothing, turn key and go. Get the price a bit lower and it's a good deal IMO.

I like the red one, looks like a bank repo (see US Bank trailer markings) Price is good, 310hp engine is all you need in that boat (my buddy runs his X-1 with that engine with lots of ballast......no problem with the 14.25 X 14.5 prop) Looks clean, try to get someone on here to look at it for you that lives in that area if you can.

The green one says hours ???? With all the sponsor decals, I would bet it's got alot of hours............and been run very hard either by a wake school or in contests. Never saw a 2003 X-star that wasn't the newer style (pickle-fork bow)

The last one looks like it has bottom paint, bad picture though. (need better pics)

Consider transport fees unless you're picking it up yourself, you may pay over $2.00/mile to have it delivered.


Yea I like the first one but I have already done some negotiating with them and I dont think they will go much lower. They are above high retail right now (nada). The X2 is the best deal because it is lower than low retail and resale is a important factor for me.

Good idea about getting someone to look at it. Any takers in Oregon? I dont mind paying for gas and whatever.

Kinda wierd about the 2003 but maybe its a 02?

I will be picking the boat up myself in my Nissan Titan.

ttu
11-04-2008, 07:21 PM
here is one in okc.

http://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/boa/851564352.html don't know about the color.:rolleyes:

might check with davids sports center in okc and see what they have.

also pulled a bunch up within 250 miles of ardmore, just north of you on boattrader. texas mastercraft has a few along with marine world in wichita.

it is a buyers market and i know the one's in wichita have been for sale for sometime. call and play "let's make a deal"

Jerseydave
11-04-2008, 07:41 PM
Here's one in Texas

http://www.boattrader.com/find/listing/2002-Mastercraft-x-star-92131246

Jerseydave
11-04-2008, 07:44 PM
Another in MI

http://www.boattrader.com/find/listing/2001-MASTERCRAFT-X-STAR-93672024

Jerseydave
11-04-2008, 07:46 PM
Another one in Texas.................you get the idea, keep searching boattrader.com

http://www.boattrader.com/find/listing/2001-MASTERCRAFT-X-STAR-93653965

scramison
11-05-2008, 01:08 AM
good to know about the trailer. At what point do you need a tandem?

scramison
11-05-2008, 01:22 AM
Another in MI

http://www.boattrader.com/find/listing/2001-MASTERCRAFT-X-STAR-93672024

Im interested in this one but it looks like its under deposit.

What I dont understand is why the nada value for a 2004 X2 is so much different that the nada value for a 2001-02 x star since they are practically the same boat. Is it just a model year thing?



Thanks for the help again.

scramison
11-05-2008, 01:27 AM
Someone told me to wait till the beggining of december when the season is over and I will see much better deals. True?

scramison
11-05-2008, 01:47 AM
I found a mcx but Im not going to post the link. Seems like a good deal if he will budge quite a bit on price


http://www.boattrader.com/find/listing/2002-Mastercraft-x-star-91788428

Jerseydave
11-05-2008, 04:20 AM
If it's really clean, the red one you found still seems like the best deal. What's the NADA value on it?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190261987841#mainImage

Put it this way, I'd be looking at it if I didn't already have a boat :D