Problems with Goode Powershells

[Skipper]

Late this season I put Goode Powershell IV's on my HO Phantom. I have always wanted a set of Power Shells. Plenty of folks at the Class C tournaments swear by them. Anyhow, I have had several painful spills because the binding plate separated from the ski while approaching the first wake. Today, I separated my collar bone from my sternum after I was tossed from the first wake to about 15 meters beyond the ball.

The first time the binding plate separated early I contacted Goode. I was told to add more tape under the back binding and to use a rubber mallet to pound the plate down. I followed that guidance.

Still, I have had a problem off and on. I suppose I need to completely replace the tape and start again. I am wondering if there is a trick to attaching the binding plate? For instance, do you start from the front to back; back to front; or one side or the other first?

If the stock market hadn't crashed today, I might think that I will get a new stick and bindings sometime in the off season. But, I'll probably be back on this one again next season.

Any ideas on how to keep the binding plate on the ski (without screws, epoxy, or any other form of permanently attaching the plate) would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you in advance.

[JohnE]

I can't answer your question, but wanted to say sorry to hear about your crash.

Are you sure you want to risk that possibility again?

[88 PS190]

Those of us who like debating powershells kinda agree that powershells need new 3M (60$ ish a pop) about every 8 releases its done.

Every release lowers the strength of its grip a little bit.

But as mentioned, more interloc, interlock the two sides securely each time, and check to make sure they're firmly engaged before you ski everytime.

[sk8salomon]

don't fix it yourself, it's Goode's fault.

I would suggest seeking legal advice.....

sue everybody

[88 PS190]

ha, ya goode's fault.

It is however a system with zero moving parts in the release mechanism.

[Skipper]

Those of us who like debating powershells kinda agree that powershells need new 3M (60$ ish a pop) about every 8 releases its done.

Every release lowers the strength of its grip a little bit.

But as mentioned, more interloc, interlock the two sides securely each time, and check to make sure they're firmly engaged before you ski everytime.


This latest crash actually damaged the interlock on the bottom of the plate as it left horrible scuff marks across the top of my ski. I did not know about replacing the interlock after 8 releases. I think I have only had one actual release as the result of a hard fall. Every other time the plate just fell off all by itself. Usually happens from the 2 ball to the 3 ball, just before the first wake, while going 34 mph.

Goode did tell me to replace any interlock that is damaged. I intend to replace all of it. I have never seen anybody else with Power Shells who has had so much trouble. Obviously, it is operator error. But banging the plate onto the ski with a rubber mallet seems a little crazy, not to mention it bends the interlock.

[BrianM]

Never been a fan of the Powershell release 'system'. I just don't trust it. I would sell them on www.ski-it-again.com and pick up something different. RS-1s will give you all the control and a simple release system that is not prone to pre-release. Or Fluid Motions which have some more moving parts and are spendy but again I think a far superior product to Powershells.

[MYMC]

I know of three people that Goode bought this crap back from...including myself. The falls were brutal.

Remember slalom is a dangerous sport and you should expect injuries...

[Skipper]

Never been a fan of the Powershell release 'system'. I just don't trust it. I would sell them on www.ski-it-again.com and pick up something different. RS-1s will give you all the control and a simple release system that is not prone to pre-release. Or Fluid Motions which have some more moving parts and are spendy but again I think a far superior product to Powershells.


I have a friend who uses the Radar boots. Very nice indeed. I would have to drop the $60.00 for new tape before offering the bindings for sale. Then probably wont make much off of them. But I am saving my pennies.


I know of three people that Goode bought this crap back from...including myself. The falls were brutal.

Remember slalom is a dangerous sport and you should expect injuries...


Yeah, I have read the warnings. I bought my first slalom, a Connelly all wood ski, in 1976. I broke two ribs when I was a 36 mph skier (my younger days). Severely sprained an ankle two years ago. Now I have "sternoclavicular separation".

I don't expect to get injured. I accept that there is a certain inherent risk involved in the sport. Typically, you get hurt in a crash after you did something wrong in the course...not after you round the two ball and are heading toward the first wake and your bindings just fall off the ski. Just my opinion.

[rodltg2]

A friend of mine at my lake tried them and experienced the same thing. He's now on Radars as well. I would never try those things, just seems to risky to trust velcro to keep your bindings attached. No Thanks.

[M-Funf]

RS-1s will give you all the control and a simple release system that is not prone to pre-release.

RS-1's have a release system??? I've been thinking about getting a new ski with RS-1's. How does the release mechanism work? I can't tell from their website.

[Skipper]

RS-1's have a release system??? I've been thinking about getting a new ski with RS-1's. How does the release mechanism work? I can't tell from their website.

A friend who uses them explained that the front laces will loosen to allow your feet to release from the bindings. He added that he has never fallen hard enough to release in the year plus he has used them. He is a 34 mph skier running 32 off.

[BrianM]

RS-1's have a release system??? I've been thinking about getting a new ski with RS-1's. How does the release mechanism work? I can't tell from their website.
It is a simple 'release system'. The liner (along with your foot) is made to slip out of the shell in the event of a fall. The laces across the front are bungee type material that will stretch and allow the liner to slide free. A very simple design that seems to work well. Been on them for a couple of months now and have had one complete release on an OTF which was nice and smooth.

Prior to the RS1 I skied FMs. That system is a much more complicated design that required a lot of general maintenance. Skied those for 3 years and always released when I should have. Just decided to go with the lighter simpler system.

[Skipper]

Just talked to the folks at Goode. It will cost $70.00 plus shipping (at least $15.00) for enough replacement interloc tape. I sold my HO Animals to buy my powershells. I cannot sell these without replacing the interloc. What a waste of money.

[BrianM]

Just talked to the folks at Goode. It will cost $70.00 plus shipping (at least $15.00) for enough replacement interloc tape. I sold my HO Animals to buy my powershells. I cannot sell these without replacing the interloc. What a waste of money.
I bet you could sell them without the interloc. Someone would have to buy it for the ski side if buying used anyway. Did you talk to Goode to see if they would take them back?

[Skipper]

I bet you could sell them without the interloc. Someone would have to buy it for the ski side if buying used anyway. Did you talk to Goode to see if they would take them back?

I saved twenty dollars by purchasing from Barts...whoopie. If I had gone through Goode I could have done the test ride and gotten my money back. But I didn't. I figure I'll get all new interlock, both the binding side and ski side. Then I'll try to sell over the winter. If nobody buys, I'll reinstall on my ski. If somebody buys, they will be set up.

[JohnE]

I saved twenty dollars by purchasing from Barts...whoopie. If I had gone through Goode I could have done the test ride and gotten my money back. But I didn't. I figure I'll get all new interlock, both the binding side and ski side. Then I'll try to sell over the winter. If nobody buys, I'll reinstall on my ski. If somebody buys, they will be set up.

I'd call Barts and insist on my money back. At least in the form of a credit towards something else.

Nonetheless, I'd never ski on something I wasn't confident would hold up. I create enough problems of my own without a ski helping me.....:D

[Skipper]

I'd call Barts and insist on my money back. At least in the form of a credit towards something else.

Nonetheless, I'd never ski on something I wasn't confident would hold up. I create enough problems of my own without a ski helping me.....:D

Yeah, there is enough to think about already.

[H20skeefreek]

Tell Bart's you want your money back. And Goode won't stand behind them b/c you bought them from Bart's??? Still there product. I've heard nothing but bad things about Dave Goode. I'd make him buy them back, and I'd never ski on them again. Velcro.....I don't think so.

[88 PS190]

anyone look at the E-series FM's? Cuffs release from boot shells which allow liners to come out of shells.

I've never skied a Phantom, is it very stiff? I'm convinced powershells won't work well on flexible skis, as the ski flexes the plate doesn't want to and it forces itself up off the interloc

But i'm sure you can get interloc for less from other places than goode, check skifly or maybe 15 off for the specifics no the type and where to purcach the interloc (sory on spelin battery died in keyboard, only deltes in blocks)

[BrianM]

anyone look at the E-series FM's? Cuffs release from boot shells which allow liners to come out of shells.

Basically the same thing as the RS1 but they cost $200 more plus shipping from Canada.

[Skipper]

Tell Bart's you want your money back. And Goode won't stand behind them b/c you bought them from Bart's??? Still there product. I've heard nothing but bad things about Dave Goode. I'd make him buy them back, and I'd never ski on them again. Velcro.....I don't think so.

Barts said to contact Goode because it is a warranty problem. Goode says it is not a warranty problem, but operator error. My fault for not buying from Goode on the demo program. Then I could have sent them back and only been out $50.00.

I explained to the folks at Barts that I have been in contact with Goode and what their response was. Waiting for another response...

[Skipper]

anyone look at the E-series FM's? Cuffs release from boot shells which allow liners to come out of shells.

I've never skied a Phantom, is it very stiff? I'm convinced powershells won't work well on flexible skis, as the ski flexes the plate doesn't want to and it forces itself up off the interloc

But i'm sure you can get interloc for less from other places than goode, check skifly or maybe 15 off for the specifics no the type and where to purcach the interloc (sory on spelin battery died in keyboard, only deltes in blocks)

This may have something to do with my problem. Whenever the plate comes off it is after I round the no. 2 ball and start my pull toward the first wake. Usually I am set up great through the gates and around the no. 1 ball, but then maybe get more aggressive on the no. 2 ball. That causes more flex and the plate starts to release. When I start my pull it is too much resistance and the plate slips off.

I have seen the Interloc on Schnitz's website and it is still $35.00 for a 10 ft strip (need two) but his shipping is free (saves $15.00 over Goode). Still hoping Barts will help me out.

[shepherd]

Velcro.....I don't think so.

That's what I've been thinking. Not sure I'd want to rely on "velcro" to hold my feet to the ski... I've been skiing plain old rubber bindings (Wileys) for years and never had an injury -- released when they should have. The only other binding I've ever considered are the RS-1s, which I may switch to next season.

[88 PS190]

Almost seems like goode needs about 4 holes through the plate through which you could screw some tapered pegs to the ski. (there goes the hole free install huh) if the interloc disengaged partially the pegs would keep the ski aligned beneath the plate and give the interloc a chance to reconnect under load.

FM uses velcro in its system, but with a spring loaded peg in the rear, a keyed notch in the front, and pegs on the side. So the plates are essentially captured on the ski on 4 sides. And I've not had issues with the velcro, so that leads me to believe that if the ski had more secure centerings on the side, essentially taller puzzle peices for the goode, or some internal pegs to hold the plate aligned even if loosely interloc'd it could improve this issue.

[BrianM]

The small amount of heavy duty Velcro used on the FMs (off the shelf at Home Depot) is far different from the Interloc that is used on the Powershells.

[88 PS190]

True but its real role is to prevent the plates from releasing upwards when there is not alot of pressure into the ski. To allow you to jump off a swim platform/dock etc.

If you lift the ski by the front boot the binding pops right off that velcro. So how can there not be parallels to the goode?

A skier can somewhat ride a slalom ski that doesn't have boots at all, that being people get up on peices of wood, cafeteria trays and the like. And ride around, much less force but they are gripping by friction. Negate the role of the interloc in the alignment of the powershell to the ski, that being the plate is restricted from lateral motion and forwards/back motion. And capture the toe of the plate then the interloc would be under the rear of the plate mostly, and the ski would only release easily if you were going otf.

[JohnE]

I'd push Bart's that the problem is with the product. And that you want a credit and will buy something that is safe from them. Be persistent.

[Skipper]

Barts responded today. They are going to take the bindings back. My problem with Goode Power Shells is resolved.

[88 PS190]

WOO!

Well less speculating. Since Barts is returning your bindings, what are you going to purchase for next year.

RS-1's? FM's? Wiley's? or HO Animals? Seems those are most of the options.

[BrianM]

Barts responded today. They are going to take the bindings back. My problem with Goode Power Shells is resolved.

Great to hear that Bart's is stepping up when Goode would not.

[Skipper]

Me too.....

[Cottonwood]

I used Powershells for 3 seasons. Between the buckles breaking, the shells coming apart, parts rusting and the inconsistent release parameters, I gave up on them and moved to a Reflex front and HO rear set up. Goode's customer service is notoriously bad. I'll never go back to ANY Goode product.

[Skipper]

I used Powershells for 3 seasons. Between the buckles breaking, the shells coming apart, parts rusting and the inconsistent release parameters, I gave up on them and moved to a Reflex front and HO rear set up. Goode's customer service is notoriously bad. I'll never go back to ANY Goode product.

And Roger............:cool:

[PointTaken]

Barts responded today. They are going to take the bindings back. My problem with Goode Power Shells is resolved.

It is good to see Barts step up. Good customer service is in short supply these days. Congrats.

[88 PS190]

Goode's customer service is notoriously bad. I'll never go back to ANY Goode product.

Agreed after my 9200 cracked from side to side under the front binding and they refused to do anything about it because they couldn't verify the "thermal history" of my ski. They did offer me 50$ off a blem 9700.

I'll admit my ski is out in the sun with me in a boat, but I'm in northern MI, not FL or Iraq. I've never had a Obrien, D3, KD or Connelly break from being in the sun with me, and I don't have melanoma either.

[PointTaken]

... they couldn't verify the "thermal history" of my ski.



You should record the temperature of the top of the ski every hour you are on the boat...everyone knows that. How else are going to know when it is gettting sick, or that you might have to call Goode customer service. :D

[88 PS190]

haven't you heard the 2200 SL Asymmetrical comes complete with internal computer and Wi-Fi connectivity. Automatically informs Goode and your family if you clip a ball, internal temps climb too high, or your interloc prematurely disengages. All for a paltry 1738 shipped, blank.

[beef]

Mebbe they should put on one of those little stickers like the one in a cell phone. The first time it gets wet, it will void the warranty...

[Skipper]

Mebbe they should put on one of those little stickers like the one in a cell phone. The first time it gets wet, it will void the warranty...

Thats funny. :uglyhamme

Actually, there is about three quarters of a page of reasons your Goode product will not be covered by warranty. Pretty much, if it gets wet.
:confused:

[PointTaken]

Thats funny. :uglyhamme

Actually, there is about three quarters of a page of reasons your Goode product will not be covered by warranty. Pretty much, if it gets wet.
:confused:

haven't you heard the 2200 SL Asymmetrical comes complete with internal computer and Wi-Fi connectivity. Automatically informs Goode and your family if you clip a ball, internal temps climb too high, or your interloc prematurely disengages. All for a paltry 1738 shipped, blank.

Both these are hilarious. Sad, but true probably. Goes back to the Barts customer service...at least there is still somebody out there willing to right a wrong.