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Ski-me
04-09-2008, 03:18 PM
Strickly skiing performance, which one does a better job? The 94-95 Prostar 205 vs. the 2002+ Prostar 197? Does the 197 feel smaller than the 205? Basically....good news on taxes and can consider a 197. I found this one on Ebay but don't know as much about the 197 boat. I asked his reserve and he indicated mid-30's.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2006-MASTERCRAFT-PROSTAR-197-BOWRIDER-low-res_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQitemZ130213065831QQsspagenam eZRSSQ3aBQ3aSRCHQ3aUSQ3a101

Ric
04-09-2008, 03:53 PM
if we are strictly speaking of skiing performance, the 197 is a far better setup.... That said, the 205 is a really nice, larger feeling boat with more room and plenty of power for all the sports with a not-so-bad ski wake too.

ttu
04-09-2008, 03:59 PM
hey rick, dont you have a 197 for sale:rolleyes:

Ric
04-09-2008, 04:18 PM
well by golly!

ncsone
04-09-2008, 04:19 PM
Having owned both of these boats, the 197 is definitely the better skiing boat. If there was a category for versatility, it would probably have to go to the 205 by a slight margin. The extra space (1 foot longer) and deeper hull design make it slightly more versatile in my opinion. Plus, it is a little better for rough, open water.
That being said, I love my new 197.

east tx skier
04-09-2008, 05:58 PM
Having owned both of these boats, the 197 is definitely the better skiing boat. If there was a category for versatility, it would probably have to go to the 205 by a slight margin. The extra space (1 foot longer) and deeper hull design make it slightly more versatile in my opinion. Plus, it is a little better for rough, open water.
That being said, I love my new 197.

Overall, the 197 skis better. However, the 1st generation 205 is much more nimble. 197 tracks better, has no spray (versus spray past 35 off) and has a smaller wake.

That said, I think better, for most of us, should be considered in cost of ownership. In that regard, when I owned a 1st Generation 205, I did not believe, for my budget, that the 197 was $30,000 better for what I needed out of a ski boat. That's why, had I wanted an open bow, I'd still have my 205.

My opinion. There are many as you will, no doubt, see.

ShamrockIV
04-09-2008, 06:42 PM
i have a 205 for sale myself!!

icewake
04-09-2008, 07:09 PM
having skiied of a 94 205 and a 07 197, I would say the 197 wake is superior

Ski-me
04-10-2008, 11:05 AM
Thanks for all the input. We are going up to Denver this weekend to look at a few 197's. If I can find a 205 up there, we'll look at it too. It does sound like the 197 is a superior wake at a very slight expense in room. I've been looking for the 94-95 205 with the LT1 for the past 5-6 months almost everyday. It just seems to be such a rare bird (in good condition).
Tommy's in Denver has a 197 with the 310HP engine that we will look at. Again, prefer the larger engine but it's cheaper too.
Thanks again!

Ski-me
04-10-2008, 11:10 AM
i have a 205 for sale myself!!

Shamrock...isn't yours a 1997? I was looking for the 94-95 hull design. Thanks, though!

jkski
04-10-2008, 11:19 AM
Jeff,

I've got an 2005 PS197 w/the larger engine and pretty much loaded FOR SALE in the marketplace section or on www.bhmtrilakes.com
Not sure what your price range is, but it might fit.

In terms of the skiability, you won't find a better hull that the 2003 and up PS197 (or 2002 with the hook added).

Sodar
04-10-2008, 11:32 AM
Thanks for all the input. We are going up to Denver this weekend to look at a few 197's. If I can find a 205 up there, we'll look at it too. It does sound like the 197 is a superior wake at a very slight expense in room. I've been looking for the 94-95 205 with the LT1 for the past 5-6 months almost everyday. It just seems to be such a rare bird (in good condition).
Tommy's in Denver has a 197 with the 310HP engine that we will look at. Again, prefer the larger engine but it's cheaper too.
Thanks again!

I have a 2007 197 w/ MCX for sale, if interested, PM me.

bxroads
04-10-2008, 11:57 AM
Sodar, whats the plans on the next boat?

ShamrockIV
04-10-2008, 12:00 PM
yes it is a 97

LQ9Lover
04-10-2008, 12:19 PM
If you are looking for a clean 197, here is a 2005 197 loaded. I have seen the boat within the last 2 weeks and is in good condition. It's worth checking out. Our dealership has done all of the service on the boat since new.

http://www.boattrader.com/listing/2005-Mastercraft-Prostar-197-92387732

OR

http://www.tmcowners.com/market/showproduct.php?product=2022&cat=5

Mike.
Team Redline.

layin it down
04-10-2008, 01:05 PM
already got the boat for sale sodar? what do you have planned for the next one

Upper Michigan Prostar190
04-10-2008, 01:08 PM
Ric is the only one we should listen to about these technical things.

Ski-me
04-10-2008, 03:30 PM
If you are looking for a clean 197, here is a 2005 197 loaded. I have seen the boat within the last 2 weeks and is in good condition. It's worth checking out. Our dealership has done all of the service on the boat since new.

http://www.boattrader.com/listing/2005-Mastercraft-Prostar-197-92387732

OR

http://www.tmcowners.com/market/showproduct.php?product=2022&cat=5

Mike.
Team Redline.

Thanks Mike. I have PM'd him. Do you know if it has the powerslot or not?

Ric
04-10-2008, 06:38 PM
Thanks Mike. I have PM'd him. Do you know if it has the powerslot or not? Wow here is a 197 with full tower, perfect pass, bimini and well done stereo with sirius. http://www.tmcowners.com/market/showproduct.php?product=2018

jwroblew
04-10-2008, 07:27 PM
Just make sure you get a 2003+. It has the hook...

east tx skier
04-10-2008, 08:20 PM
Just make sure you get a 2003+. It has the hook...

Or the 2008 as it is a couple of hundred pounds lighter.

VTJC
04-10-2008, 08:27 PM
If you’re running at altitude I defiantly recommend an engine upgrade above the 310 hp for the 197. I regularly ski behind a 197 with a 310, which works for our long setup on a small lake. But when I get a late model hull it will have a MCX or larger. The hooked hulls require more power than the older hulls.

Ski-me
04-11-2008, 01:13 PM
If you’re running at altitude I defiantly recommend an engine upgrade above the 310 hp for the 197. I regularly ski behind a 197 with a 310, which works for our long setup on a small lake. But when I get a late model hull it will have a MCX or larger. The hooked hulls require more power than the older hulls.

What is the hook and what type of cost if it didn't have one? I'm going to try and look at a local 2002 197 with the 330HP engine. Here is a link:

http://www.gettommys.com/Pre-owned-Boats/2002-Mastercraft-Pro-Star-197.html

VTJC
04-11-2008, 06:07 PM
All 02TT and 03+ 197/190 hull have the hook. I believe 03+ 209 are hooked as well. Essentially the hook, pushed the bow down to improve the wake and tracking. This reduces the hulls efficiency increasing drag, so it takes more power to move the hull through the water. Do a search and you will get more info. Some people on this board have had the hook installed to there earlier hulls.

My friends 05 197 with 310hp is a great but. But it lacks the muscle car feel that my MC and other ski boats have. I think at altitude you will defiantly want more power, depending on your site and activities.

Good luck in your search.

Jamie

jwroblew
04-12-2008, 12:16 PM
What is the hook and what type of cost if it didn't have one? I'm going to try and look at a local 2002 197 with the 330HP engine. Here is a link:

http://www.gettommys.com/Pre-owned-Boats/2002-Mastercraft-Pro-Star-197.html

looks like a decent boat, how many hours? I have heard around $700~$1000 for the hook...

Ski-me
04-12-2008, 09:15 PM
looks like a decent boat, how many hours? I have heard around $700~$1000 for the hook...

We went today and found out that it was just sold a few days ago. It only had about 120 hrs. We still drove up so that we can do some talking with those around here. After talking with 2 stores, one being a Malibu shop and the other being the Mastercraft dealer, I learned that we definitely need more horsepower at these higher elevations. Malibu shop said that so many people come from lower elevations and really have to experiment to get the boat to perform well. The Mastercraft dealer also indicated the same point. He felt that the 350HP would be about the minimum to work with on the 197.
Mastercraft dealer indicated he may be getting an 04' 197 coming in around $28k with a 380hp. I am guessing this was the Northstar engine. If the guy brings it in, I will get a call. Should be under 300 hrs so it sounds good. After finally sitting in the 197, I noticed that the bow is really low. Should I have any concern with water coming over the bow or kid's safety up front?
Overall a good experience so far but I have learned I really need to drive some on the water. The Mastercraft dealer was not too willing to let me try out a random 197 boat very easily.....just to test drive. If I was interested in their 07' TT with the 6.0L in it for $46k, then it would work, otherwise.....a little difficult. Is it best to ask some local people that are selling and offer maybe $20-$30 for their time and gas to try it out?

jwroblew
04-12-2008, 10:43 PM
Drive the 197 enough especially with people in the front and it is just a matter of time of getting water over the front. I wouldn't worry about safety... When coming to a stop I always try to stop parallel with the rollers, this seems to almost element any water coming over the bow.