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X2M
03-14-2008, 10:33 AM
This has been a growing story in the media here in my area. Short version of the story for those that don't want to read the whole article. A librarian caught a guy viewing child porn on a library computer...and if i read it correctly more that once. She calls the police and reports it. The police arrest the guy. The librarian loses her job.

So...

Would you have turned the guy in?

Should she have been fired because she called the police?

http://www.fresnobee.com/263/story/462727.html

peason
03-14-2008, 10:44 AM
I agree with turning the guy in. We have children and I would do anything to protect them or any child for that matter. This is not right that she was fired. The end of the article says it best, If she had to do this over again she would. This kind of crap makes me sick!

lanier92prostar
03-14-2008, 10:46 AM
Its a sad day when someone gets punished for doing the right thing.

flipper
03-14-2008, 10:50 AM
I don't see how they could have fired her!!!! HE!! yes I would have turned him in, because the alternative option for me would put me jail. Who ever fired her must not have a problem with child porn, and need some jail time I think.

flipper
03-14-2008, 10:50 AM
double post....

stuartmcnair
03-14-2008, 10:52 AM
Ladies and Gentlemen. Welcome to the US Government.

lanier92prostar
03-14-2008, 10:53 AM
Ladies and Gentlemen. Welcome to the US Government.

Best government that money can buy:mad:

TMCNo1
03-14-2008, 10:55 AM
The people who fired her were probably no better then the NY Governer and were involved in the porno ring themselves and using her as a scapegoat to cover their butts!

6ballsisall
03-14-2008, 10:55 AM
What a ridiculous policy.....I wonder if you'd need to report a shooting in the parking lot you witnessed to your boss before calling the police?

The media will take care of this ridiculous policy. I'll wager $20 that this ridiculous policy is changed within 2 weeks and the lady can have her job back if she wants it.

If I were in that librarians shoes I would have done the same thing. But prior to the police arriving the guy would have been severely beaten and laying next to a dumpster behind the library. I have no tolerance for those kind of sickos.

RexDog1
03-14-2008, 10:57 AM
Hummmmm:confused: Child Porn……. Yes I would have turned him in because it was child porn…….:mad: If it was a guy just looking at your run of the mill porn,8p 8p I would have put on some gloves and kicked him out and told him to do that at your home not at a library, it is not the place for looking at porn and what kind of sick puppy looks at porn at a library? But it was Child porn, turn him in

Why fire her??

chudson
03-14-2008, 11:10 AM
1. Put chester the child molester in jail "for good"!!!

2. Parents should start a picket line in front of the library till she gets her job back.

3. When she gets her job back fire the bonehead that fired her and give the her the boneheads job.

4. Non of this will never happen!!!

coz
03-14-2008, 11:10 AM
Yeah! Computers have changed everything and in some ways it's sad. You know boys will be boys and hormones flaring but I remember when I was a kid sneaking into my friends garage rafters and checking out his dads 1960's playboys, that was not the kind of exposure the kids have access to today and that's sad :mad: I'm not saying it's cool for kids to look at old playboys but like I said boys will be boys. :confused: BTW Where was the content filter????? it is a library. :confused:
I didn't see it was child porn, so yeah he's busted. The librarian shouldn't be fired the library should be held responsible, after all it is thier computer

JimN
03-14-2008, 11:15 AM
What reason was given for firing her? Unless she had something to do with him finding links, I doubt there's anything wrong with her conduct, although we know nothing about her, based on the report.

""I told the officer I might be putting my job in jeopardy by reporting this,""

I have a problem with that policy, for starters. Her supervisor is the one who needs to go. To fire someone for this is just the supervisor being a biatch on wheels.

corey
03-14-2008, 11:24 AM
My wife used to work at a library and this kind of thing goes on A LOT more than you would think. I mean think about the kind of guy that looks at porn in a library. Obviously they can not afford internet at home, have probobally been in trouble with the law already and are so mentally messed up they go to the library to get free porn.

The argument against filters I've heard is that they don't want to restrict freedom of speech, and putting filters on the computers would be a slipperly slope.

Whats really scary is that not only do librarians have to deal with this in while on the job many of them worry pervs like this are waiting outside after the library closes, and whos to say they are not.

ridesdirt
03-14-2008, 11:39 AM
unbelievable!

welcome to the United States of the Offended!

ShamrockIV
03-14-2008, 11:45 AM
Hummmmm:confused: Child Porn……. Yes I would have turned him in because it was child porn…….:mad: If it was a guy just looking at your run of the mill porn,8p 8p I would have put on some gloves and kicked him out and told him to do that at your home not at a library, it is not the place for looking at porn and what kind of sick puppy looks at porn at a library? But it was Child porn, turn him in

i agree!!
even reg porn on a public puter!!! man kids could see when they walked by. i prob would have lost my d@mn mind and hit dude and then called the cops, but then again i do have 4 daughters!! view what u want at home as long as it is not child porn!! what kinda sick deranged individual like that kinda thing???? makes me want to go into the vigilante business!!

It seems to me alot of people need killin these dayz!!!!

coz
03-14-2008, 12:13 PM
i agree!!
even reg porn on a public puter!!! man kids could see when they walked by. i prob would have lost my d@mn mind and hit dude and then called the cops, but then again i do have 4 daughters!! view what u want at home as long as it is not child porn!! what kinda sick deranged individual like that kinda thing???? makes me want to go into the vigilante business!!

It seems to me alot of people need killin these dayz!!!!


Your right Sham, and this freedom of speech???:confused: First of all it's illegal for anyone under 18 to view porn and flat out illegal for anyone to view CP. I personally don't think porn has anything to do with free speech. So whoever is in control of the access needs to make sure these issues are addressed before they happen. And what I don't get??? isn't there a way to see where the things are uploaded from???? seems with all this technology we could go after the uploader or the host??? what am I missing here???:confused:

M-Funf
03-14-2008, 12:28 PM
This guy is a sicko and needed to be turned in. She did the right thing. Since she was still in her 6 month probationary employment period, they "technically" don't need a reason to fire her, and can fabricate something else, but they better have a good story for the judge, because that's where this one is headed.

I'm with a couple of you. I think I would have smacked him upside the head before I called the police..."there's your warning, the police are on their way"

Trent 197
03-14-2008, 12:37 PM
Yeah, screw this dude...what a loser.

On another subject, why do you have to be 18 to buy a playboy? I think that's funny since most kids start doing it as soon as they get their drivers license. I remember finding an old Playboy in the woods one time when I was like 13. What a great day!

stuartmcnair
03-14-2008, 12:49 PM
OK, I just remembered this story. Some kid (18 I think) got busted at the library looking at porn. I can't remember much about the story but I remember there was a reporter that hounded him about it. The videos are probably on youtube somewhere and they are hysterical. I can't look for them at work but if someone is bored they should find those.

Pure entertainment from this reporter humiliating this guy.

I think the guy kept going to the library and I think I remember that they caught him on tape mastering his domain.

88 PS190
03-14-2008, 01:55 PM
BTW Where was the content filter????? it is a library. :confused:
I didn't see it was child porn, so yeah he's busted. The librarian shouldn't be fired the library should be held responsible, after all it is thier computer

This is perhaps the reason she was fired. Had she told her boss the boss would have probably wanted to improve security on the computers and thereby prevent future access without drawing attention to the fact that por was accessible from the terminal.

By circumventing this I garuntee there is some embarrasment to the higher up.

JimN
03-14-2008, 02:07 PM
Re-read the link- her boss knew. It seemed that there was a distinction in the policy when it was adult porn, apparently. Personally, I would done everything with a witness, and had them corroborate what I did, but the librarian had been there less than 6 months and there was no indication that she had previous experience in that kind of work.

Still, there's a reason they call computers "porn-loaders". As far as the "if you censor anything, you have no appreciation for art or literature" crowd, they should open their own libraries and museums if they want to have every piece of crap written, sung, drawn, painted and sketched on display (sorry if I left anyone out). Some things don't need to be available to "everyone who comes in the doors", especially when it's a public/municipal place, like a library. I think we need to go back to "majority rule" in a lot of ways. The majority don't want this kind of this available at a library, so it shouldn't be. If 15% don't want to be exposed to something, the ability to force the 85% majority to conform to their standards needs to be addressed, IMO.

wakeX2wake
03-14-2008, 02:16 PM
Re-read the link- her boss knew. It seemed that there was a distinction in the policy when it was adult porn, apparently. Personally, I would done everything with a witness, and had them corroborate what I did, but the librarian had been there less than 6 months and there was no indication that she had previous experience in that kind of work.

Still, there's a reason they call computers "porn-loaders". As far as the "if you censor anything, you have no appreciation for art or literature" crowd, they should open their own libraries and museums if they want to have every piece of crap written, sung, drawn, painted and sketched on display (sorry if I left anyone out). Some things don't need to be available to "everyone who comes in the doors", especially when it's a public/municipal place, like a library. I think we need to go back to "majority rule" in a lot of ways. The majority don't want this kind of this available at a library, so it shouldn't be. If 15% don't want to be exposed to something, the ability to force the 85% majority to conform to their standards needs to be addressed, IMO.

Agreed!!! i think it sucks how 90% of the population has to conform to the 10% that are unhappy... if you don't want to pray when someone else is then don't bow your head and don't pray or pray to your God or lack there of

D3skier
03-14-2008, 02:17 PM
why in the world did they not have these computers locked down so this type of stuff come up on those computers? This is lack of responsibility on the library's part for not locking these machines down properly... but NO she should not have been fired for doing the right thing by calling the police

Trent 197
03-14-2008, 04:06 PM
Another question is, why is my tax money going to fund this free "internet cafe" anyway? That's obsurd.

JimN
03-14-2008, 04:43 PM
Because they requested it in their budget and it was approved.

trickskier
03-14-2008, 05:06 PM
After reading the story, something isn't right.
She should have never been fired for turning someone in that is violating the law.
And they call it "JUSTICE"???

JimN
03-14-2008, 05:58 PM
"Biesterfeld, who had worked for the county for nearly six months, said she called her supervisor and told her what happened. "She told me to write him a note saying this was a first warning, and if he gets a second warning he'd be banned from the library."

I doubt she left out the child porn part.

"So then I said, 'I need to contact the police, right?' and she said no," Biesterfeld said. "She said it's more common than I'd think."

This tells me that the supervisor wasn't listening.

Eric Coyne, a spokesman for Tulare County, did say, however, that the county's policy is to call police when patrons are found viewing child pornography.

She followed county policy- she should still be working there, Unfortunately for her, she can be fired at any time during the probationary period, for any reason unless it's based on sex, creed, color or sexual orientation.

But in the Chrisler case county officials were under the impression that Biesterfeld was "talking about suspected pornography, not child pornography," Coyne said. "Playing with child pornography is a federal crime; that's handled totally differently."

This looks like the supervisor's word against hers.

When it comes to adult pornography, the county's policy is to warn patrons before expelling them, he said.

Not in my library. First time gets the boot. Same as if someone comes to my house and starts doing this- "Buh-bye!"

Coyne said library officials must balance free-speech issues and patrons' rights to Internet access and e-mail with the task of protecting other patrons, including children, from viewing objectionable material.

Bull schnikies! This is not free speech, IMO. This is purposely searching for information that if, expressly forbidden, should not be accessible from that location.

Biesterfeld disputes any suggestion there was a miscommunication, however. She said she has no doubt her supervisor knew she was talking about child pornography.

"I wouldn't even have called her with adult pornography," she said. "I told her I was very upset because that might as well have been a picture of my youngest son on the screen.""

Doesn't sound as if she is clueless, to me.