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D3skier
03-09-2008, 11:58 AM
I bought a 2008 Nissan Titan Crew Cab Pro 4X in Oct. 07 and since the day I bought it, this truck has been an absolute nightmare! It's been in the shop 8 times already for a vibration and wires that were cut under the dash from time of purchase. I have talked to Consumer Affairs regarding these issues and have demanded my issues be escalated to a manager more than 2 -3 times a week and never to this day have had a returned phone call. After several attempts to get the Nissan dealer to finally address the cut wires they did a "good will" repair which in my opinion was useless. They used inline splice connectors to repair this and wrapped it with electrical tape. I've never seen such shoty repair service especially from a Nissan dealership. To this day I still have vibrations in the truck and the dealer is refusing to balance the tires even when I have a service contract on the vehicle which covers balance and rotations. A Regional Technical Specialist came and looked at the truck and said the wiring repair is acceptable and said there is no issue with a vibration when driving. I have since taken the vehicle to a Goodyear tire store and they validated my concerns with the truck. Two of the tires are out of road force specifications and the tires need to be replaced. I was told these tires would wear out within the next 4,000 miles. To date I've got 8,500 miles on the truck 9 service repair attempts and worn out tires and Nissan refuses to do anything about it. Nissan offered me $3,500 to settle my case and go away. I told them this was an insult and need to buy the truck back or replace it and they refused. Since I have taken Nissan to court to force them to buy the truck back and awaiting the courts decision any day now.

I've left a lot of day by day details out just to shorten my b*tchin' about Nissan but thought everyone should know if you buy a Nissan and have issues that Nissan won't stand behind their product to correct the issue and if you call consumer affairs don't plan on anything being done about it.

BrianM
03-09-2008, 12:07 PM
Talk to jrandol about his experience with Chrysler. He may have a few tips and tricks for you. I have a feeling you will probably need to lawyer up in order to force them to do a buyback. It sounds to me like you have a very good start on the whole lemon law thing.

atlfootr
03-09-2008, 12:09 PM
BEFORE you BUY ANYTHING ....
Check out ConsumerReports.org Online :rolleyes:
Mean while contact this guy in Atlanta, GA!
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Keep us all informed w/ the out come ...

Roonie's
03-09-2008, 12:13 PM
look up the lemon law.

coz
03-09-2008, 12:13 PM
I bought a 2008 Nissan Titan Crew Cab Pro 4X in Oct. 07 and since the day I bought it, this truck has been an absolute nightmare! It's been in the shop 8 times already for a vibration and wires that were cut under the dash from time of purchase. I have talked to Consumer Affairs regarding these issues and have demanded my issues be escalated to a manager more than 2 -3 times a week and never to this day have had a returned phone call. After several attempts to get the Nissan dealer to finally address the cut wires they did a "good will" repair which in my opinion was useless. They used inline splice connectors to repair this and wrapped it with electrical tape. I've never seen such shoty repair service especially from a Nissan dealership. To this day I still have vibrations in the truck and the dealer is refusing to balance the tires even when I have a service contract on the vehicle which covers balance and rotations. A Regional Technical Specialist came and looked at the truck and said the wiring repair is acceptable and said there is no issue with a vibration when driving. I have since taken the vehicle to a Goodyear tire store and they validated my concerns with the truck. Two of the tires are out of road force specifications and the tires need to be replaced. I was told these tires would wear out within the next 4,000 miles. To date I've got 8,500 miles on the truck 9 service repair attempts and worn out tires and Nissan refuses to do anything about it. Nissan offered me $3,500 to settle my case and go away. I told them this was an insult and need to buy the truck back or replace it and they refused. Since I have taken Nissan to court to force them to buy the truck back and awaiting the courts decision any day now.

I've left a lot of day by day details out just to shorten my b*tchin' about Nissan but thought everyone should know if you buy a Nissan and have issues that Nissan won't stand behind their product to correct the issue and if you call consumer affairs don't plan on anything being done about it.

Forbes rated this truck in the top 20 worst buys :confused:

ShamrockIV
03-09-2008, 12:14 PM
man i am in the guard with a ton of guys that bulid those nissans!! never buy a nissan!!

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03-09-2008, 12:18 PM
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atlfootr
03-09-2008, 12:24 PM
man i am in the guard with a ton of guys that bulid those nissans!!
never buy a nissan!! Great advice there Shammy, but a little too late don't ya think :rolleyes:

BrianM
03-09-2008, 12:25 PM
BEFORE you BUY ANYTHING ....
Check out ConsumerReports.org Online :rolleyes:
Mean while contact this guy in Atlanta, GA!
Gotta Have Clark - Clark Howard Live!
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Clark Howard is great. I used to listen to him all of the time but he is no longer on my local station.

D3skier
03-09-2008, 12:29 PM
Hopefully I'll have my answer tomorrow morning with their decision... I've already got an attorney and come to find out... of course too late.... that if you buy a vehicle from another state you are not covered by either state's lemon law... you are covered by a law called the Magnuson-Moss law.

At court, I came with a 50 page document showing everything that has been done repair orders phone conversations and who I spoke with along with pictures etc. and the Nissan rep that came was the Regional tech and he came with a copy of the email he sent his manager... I ended up answering questions regarding specifications on the truck that the Nissan rep should have known. I totally dragged his credentials through the mud.

ShamrockIV
03-09-2008, 12:29 PM
Great advice there Shammy, but a little too late don't ya think :rolleyes:

why the abuse there footer??? i also happen to like rice burning v8's??? gm, ford, and even dodge make d@mn good ones!!

atlfootr
03-09-2008, 01:26 PM
why the abuse there footer???
i also happen to like rice burning v8's??? gm, ford, and even dodge make d@mn good ones!!

No personally abuse here bro, I know your jus' try'n to save the "next guy" :rolleyes:
I myself, drive a TOYO V6 pckup ... :D

JKTX21
03-09-2008, 02:08 PM
Sorry to hear about your problems with Nissan. Since I've been in this particular industry I have learned a few things. New car buyers should get a feel of how the service department is at various dealerships when buying. Buyers spend a day or two with the sales department being wowed and the rest of their dealings will be with the service department. You may end up paying a little more for your vehicle at a dealer that has exceptional service. So called "goodwill" repairs that the dealer elects to do can be based upon if you purchased your vehicle there or not.

I wonder why your repairs are not covered under your factory warranty. Doesn't sound liike they want to much for you. I am fortunate enough to work at a dealer that takes care it's customers and realizes it keeps them coming back. Good luck.

sk8salomon
03-09-2008, 03:21 PM
man, that really sucks. my wife and i had something similar with her xterra. it was in the shop so long for warranty crap we demanded a rental car. they sent us a toyota highlander and we drove it for 2 weeks. absolutely loved the truck and made us want to trade in the xterra for one. about two weeks after we got the xterra back, nissan called as a followup and i told them how stupid their rental car mistake was and that i was already test driving highlanders. they didn't seem to care.

D3skier
03-09-2008, 07:43 PM
the first time they put me in a rental car after demanding one I ended up with a Chevy crew cab... I've owned one of these before and I like them but the turning radius sucks... Nissan was extremely upset with the rental office and said I have to be in a Nissan next time... the following rental they tried putting me in a sentra and I told them no way I wanted something comparable to what I was driving and got a armada. I really liked it but I have a very sour taste in my mouth about Nissan at all and have already taken a $10k hit on my wifes Nissan and put her in a Toyota 4-runner.. once the decision comes back if it's anywhere near walking away from this thing I'm taking it so I can go get my new Tundra double cab

lanier92prostar
03-09-2008, 08:22 PM
I agree with the Clark Howard angle. If things don't go your way in court, contact him and he will steer you in the correct direction. Good luck with your problem, everytime I have b@@@hed about my Chevy, they have 'good willed' the repair. Again, best of luck to you D3!!

Yellow X9
03-09-2008, 09:03 PM
Get with your local news station and see if they'll do a story on your situation with the dealership and manufacture. Our local Fox news in DFW dose these from time to time. No one likes bad press, maybe it will wake up the dealership to get you taken care of.

D3skier
03-09-2008, 10:05 PM
I've talked to my attorney about that and he said it wouldn't really do any good but we'll see what decision I get tomorrow and go from there.... after talking with several people over the week waiting for the decision I feel pretty confident that I'll get the results I am after. I came with a 50 page document and the Nissan tech showed up with a copy of his email he sent to his manager regarding his findings... pretty lame if you ask me I'd be very surprised if I didn't just wipe him out of the whole case all together. The main point I was aiming for when I found out it was him was to wipe his credentials through the mud and I pretty much achieved that one more than once in the proceedings

6ballsisall
03-09-2008, 11:50 PM
Hopefully I'll have my answer tomorrow morning with their decision... I've already got an attorney and come to find out... of course too late.... that if you buy a vehicle from another state you are not covered by either state's lemon law... you are covered by a law called the Magnuson-Moss law.
At court, I came with a 50 page document showing everything that has been done repair orders phone conversations and who I spoke with along with pictures etc. and the Nissan rep that came was the Regional tech and he came with a copy of the email he sent his manager... I ended up answering questions regarding specifications on the truck that the Nissan rep should have known. I totally dragged his credentials through the mud.


I don't think thats correct D3. I lived in Indiana, bought a Durango in Ohio and I had a legitimate Lemon law case. Perhaps things are different in your state but I kinda doubt it. There's a big difference between and attorney and someone who handles this type of litigation all the time. We got our sitation settled out of court, albeit it took a LONG time. The manfucturers don't give a rats arse bout your situation and will do ANYTHING to get you to F--- off without having to pay you a dime (outside of Toyota, before I get flamed boys, go look at the fact/records, its true!) You gotta lawyer up with the right type of attorney, grab your cooler full of beer, and be ready for an all out BS battle. If it helps, here's he attorney's we used

http://www.krohnandmoss.com/

6ballsisall
03-09-2008, 11:55 PM
I've talked to my attorney about that and he said it wouldn't really do any good but we'll see what decision I get tomorrow and go from there.... after talking with several people over the week waiting for the decision I feel pretty confident that I'll get the results I am after. I came with a 50 page document and the Nissan tech showed up with a copy of his email he sent to his manager regarding his findings... pretty lame if you ask me I'd be very surprised if I didn't just wipe him out of the whole case all together. The main point I was aiming for when I found out it was him was to wipe his credentials through the mud and I pretty much achieved that one more than once in the proceedings

Don't hold your breathe on that, I hope your right but I bet it wont work out like you think. With our Durango we had to take it in (after more than 10x for service, same issue) to a specific garage in the area. They flew in some master mechanic to take a look at the vehicle and test drive it (issues only to be noted while driving the car) The jack-off drove the car 1/10 of a mile, probably never left the dealership lot! I had pics of the odometer and even that alone, showing their negligence or concern to remedy the issue like the courts requested, meant little to the case. I am convinced these things are only won by showing extreme patience and persistence.

JBaker
03-10-2008, 12:25 AM
I bought a 2008 Nissan Titan Crew Cab Pro 4X in Oct. 07 and since the day I bought it, this truck has been an absolute nightmare! It's been in the shop 8 times already for a vibration and wires that were cut under the dash from time of purchase. I have talked to Consumer Affairs regarding these issues and have demanded my issues be escalated to a manager more than 2 -3 times a week and never to this day have had a returned phone call. After several attempts to get the Nissan dealer to finally address the cut wires they did a "good will" repair which in my opinion was useless. They used inline splice connectors to repair this and wrapped it with electrical tape. I've never seen such shoty repair service especially from a Nissan dealership. To this day I still have vibrations in the truck and the dealer is refusing to balance the tires even when I have a service contract on the vehicle which covers balance and rotations. A Regional Technical Specialist came and looked at the truck and said the wiring repair is acceptable and said there is no issue with a vibration when driving. I have since taken the vehicle to a Goodyear tire store and they validated my concerns with the truck. Two of the tires are out of road force specifications and the tires need to be replaced. I was told these tires would wear out within the next 4,000 miles. To date I've got 8,500 miles on the truck 9 service repair attempts and worn out tires and Nissan refuses to do anything about it. Nissan offered me $3,500 to settle my case and go away. I told them this was an insult and need to buy the truck back or replace it and they refused. Since I have taken Nissan to court to force them to buy the truck back and awaiting the courts decision any day now.

I've left a lot of day by day details out just to shorten my b*tchin' about Nissan but thought everyone should know if you buy a Nissan and have issues that Nissan won't stand behind their product to correct the issue and if you call consumer affairs don't plan on anything being done about it.

Man that sucks. I hope your situation is eventually resolved and as stated it sounds like you may have a good shot at the lemon law.

My first new car was a Nissan SUV, and it was fantastic. I had nothing but outstanding service from both my local dealer and the dealers that serviced it while I was in college. Very reliable, only two issues in about 70k miles, neither of them were major.

FWIW the people I have worked with who also work with Automotive OEMs hold Nissan in extremely high regards - saying they rarely rush new models to production with known issues and then proceed to fix them in the field like some of the "others" are known to do.

Good luck.

rholmes
03-10-2008, 12:48 AM
Sorry to hear that as well. I do own a Titan and have 70,000+ miles of fairly trouble free service from it. The couple problems that did creep up were swiftly fixed by the dealer at no cost to me, even out of warranty issues. Try the website below to see if you can get some help, I am a member of it and have seen a couple threads regarding similar complaints. No vehicle manufacturer is perfect and there are always going to be a few lemons out there. Good luck!

www.titantalk.com

russlars
03-10-2008, 12:57 AM
Sorry to hear about your Nissan experiences. Hope you get it resolved soon. I am on my 5th Nissan and have had nothing but good luck with each of them. I think it is possible to get a bad vehicle from any manufacturer though. I currently drive an Armada and have had 75,000 trouble free miles so far, with the exception of the shuddering brake issue, which was fixed under warranty at about 10,000 miles. It drives great and has lots of power for pulling the MC!:D

D3skier
03-10-2008, 06:04 PM
another day gone by and still no response from arbitration... this is driving me cRaZy!!!!!!

David4MCSammyDuvall
03-11-2008, 01:30 AM
I bought my 2008 Nissan Frontier. I noticed the vibrations on my truck. Took it back to the Nissan dealership. They found that all four tires are not round. They replaced all four tires. The vibration went gone ! The service department here at Nissan have been good to me. Good luck with the lawsuit and hope you get what you deserve. Peace.

tones03
03-11-2008, 10:04 AM
PM me when you want a GM discount...Then you get into a real truck.

D3skier
03-11-2008, 10:28 AM
PM me when you want a GM discount...Then you get into a real truck.


GM trucks are nice I just don't like the turning radius on them but thanks anyway...

D3skier
03-11-2008, 10:30 AM
Well,..................the answer just came back from the BBB and my request to buy the vehicle back was declined.... no available resolution was offered at all from arbitration just a denial so I'm going to be using the links that everyone has so greatly offered and push forward with my problems...

wakeX2wake
03-11-2008, 11:02 AM
that sucks man... my suggestion go w/ a toyota... obviously i can't speak for the entire company but eveytime i've taken mine to get serviced or whatever they have treated me like i own the place... the dealer i bought mine through still buys me a coke when i go in there to get it serviced... not a really big deal but it is the small things in the end... and it's the big thing you have in your end right now which is why i don't think i could ever buy a nissan myself now after hearing your story

BrianM
03-11-2008, 11:09 AM
GM trucks are nice I just don't like the turning radius on them but thanks anyway...

Have you driven a NEW GM truck on the GMT 900 platform? The turning radius is much improved from prior GMT 800s.

6ballsisall
03-11-2008, 11:13 AM
Sorry to hear that D3, although I kind of expected it. According to Krohn and Moss (attorneys I used) the only issues like this that get pushed thru quickly and to the car owners satisfaction are real safety issues and/or cars that are completely undriveable (i.e. 4 new engines all blew in within 10 miles) Anything else which the manufacturer deems trivial (I know it's not trivial to you) they tend to take a "screw off" approach. The attorneys we used were on contingent so we didnt pay them a dime, and actually they didn't get paid by us but by Dodge (well in the end I am sure we did pay :rolleyes: )

You just have to dig your heals in on this and hold true to your position. You can guarantee this WILL take time. I can't remember exactly how long ours took but 16-18 months sounds about right. Whatever you do, DO NOT sell or trade in the vehicle. If you do, and you believe the issues to be legitimate you just lost. Manufacturers will wait for it to go to court and then they'll mischaracterize you and say "how could you be so unethical and trade in a vehicle that has known defects"


* Disclaimer: above is not professional legal advice, just my own personal experiences. Although I have stayed in a Holiday Inn. :D

TMCNo1
03-11-2008, 12:25 PM
A fellow I eat breakfasr with, just bought a Nissan 4X4 something 4 months ago and in less than 3000 miles it's had 2 differentials and a transmission, 4 new wheels and tires because of a noise like there is play in the driveline when taking off from a stop and a bad vibration at highway speed. Nissan admits there is a problem with other customers vehicles too and say they are working on it with the engineers. If it can't be resolved in the next 4 months, they say they will take the truck back and refund his money. We will see. We discussed this problem this morning again and he is pizzed about it all!

D3skier
03-11-2008, 12:31 PM
well the attorney I had basically said I need to find one locally... I did some research and found another NC lemon law attorney sent him the info and he responded within 45 minutes.... I'll be gathering all my documents and sending them to him but he said we have a strong case already and I'll be tacking on the last 3 days for tire balance issues over the next few weeks just to make sure there are no questions about you haven't hit your 20 days out of service...There is no way I'll give up on this because that is one of my faults.... when I set my mind to something I go after it until I get my way

flipper
03-11-2008, 12:34 PM
Sorry to hear about all this D3, good luck, and keep us posted

phecksel
03-11-2008, 01:26 PM
FWIW the people I have worked with who also work with Automotive OEMs hold Nissan in extremely high regards - saying they rarely rush new models to production with known issues and then proceed to fix them in the field like some of the "others" are known to do.

Good luck.

Not by this person who sees all the data. Nissan quality is one of the worst, and going downhill. Their genius headquarter move has killed them in a lot of areas. Oh, and Toyota's truck quality is suffering too. I'd go Ford or GM.

Have said all that, to the original OP, the only way to effectively make lemon law stick is to exactly follow the process. One tiny variation, including a service writer mispelling a word can doom your claim.

Good luck in your endevour.

milkmania
03-11-2008, 01:28 PM
A fellow I eat breakfasr with, just bought a Nissan 4X4 something 4 months ago and in less than 3000 miles it's had 2 differentials and a transmission, 4 new wheels and tires because of a noise like there is play in the driveline when taking off from a stop and a bad vibration at highway speed. Nissan admits there is a problem with other customers vehicles too and say they are working on it with the engineers. If it can't be resolved in the next 4 months, they say they will take the truck back and refund his money. We will see. We discussed this problem this morning again and he is pizzed about it all!

these coffee shop stories actually have lot of meaning behind them.....

this morning in my coffee shop, this guy was talking about his nissan road walking sob!
from centered steering wheel, (hand on top of wheel) he said he'd have to move his hand from 10:00 to 2:00 just to keep it on the road... since they fixed it, he only has to go from 11:00 to 1:00.
he said it was like those movies where the driver was oversteering driving straight down the road.:rolleyes:

CHaus21
03-12-2008, 01:00 AM
I bought a 2008 Nissan Titan Crew Cab Pro 4X in Oct. 07 and since the day I bought it, this truck has been an absolute nightmare! It's been in the shop 8 times already for a vibration and wires that were cut under the dash from time of purchase. I have talked to Consumer Affairs regarding these issues and have demanded my issues be escalated to a manager more than 2 -3 times a week and never to this day have had a returned phone call. After several attempts to get the Nissan dealer to finally address the cut wires they did a "good will" repair which in my opinion was useless. They used inline splice connectors to repair this and wrapped it with electrical tape. I've never seen such shoty repair service especially from a Nissan dealership. To this day I still have vibrations in the truck and the dealer is refusing to balance the tires even when I have a service contract on the vehicle which covers balance and rotations. A Regional Technical Specialist came and looked at the truck and said the wiring repair is acceptable and said there is no issue with a vibration when driving. I have since taken the vehicle to a Goodyear tire store and they validated my concerns with the truck. Two of the tires are out of road force specifications and the tires need to be replaced. I was told these tires would wear out within the next 4,000 miles. To date I've got 8,500 miles on the truck 9 service repair attempts and worn out tires and Nissan refuses to do anything about it. Nissan offered me $3,500 to settle my case and go away. I told them this was an insult and need to buy the truck back or replace it and they refused. Since I have taken Nissan to court to force them to buy the truck back and awaiting the courts decision any day now.

I've left a lot of day by day details out just to shorten my b*tchin' about Nissan but thought everyone should know if you buy a Nissan and have issues that Nissan won't stand behind their product to correct the issue and if you call consumer affairs don't plan on anything being done about it.




No offense, but here are my 2 cents... Take it for what its worth...

I find it very hard to believe that the wires were 'cut' and the vehicle made it out of the factory that way. I have worked with and for several OEM's, and vehicles do not make it out of the factory/quality inspection/PDI @ dealerships with the reverse sensor wires cut. That just doesn't happen. Furthermore, it is very unlikely that an OEM would by a vehicle back for the wires being cut.

Secondly, did you try to take the vehicle to a different Nissan dealership? Of course an aftermarket tire repair shop (such as Goodyear) will always tell you it is all the manufacturer's fault. Think about how easy it is for an independent shop to lay blame on the OEM. If you take your MC to Joe's boat shop and complain about all of these issues you experienced at your MC dealership, of course Joe's boat shop is going to tell you that the manufacturer is at fault and you shold never go back to that dealership again for service.

Again, no offense, but from being in the business, and reading this thread, it does not surprise me that the BBB declined your case. Every OEM builds lemons every now and again, whether it be Nissan, Toyota, Ford, Honda, or GM. It is just a matter of fact. I understand that you are very frustrated b/c you spent a lot of money on a vehicle and are obviously not happy - That is very frustrating. However, it seems rather immature to completely bash Nissan as a whole and tell the whole world that they suck. Bottom line, I wish you luck and hope that everything works out and you get what you are looking for.

D3skier
03-15-2008, 01:27 AM
No offense, but here are my 2 cents... Take it for what its worth...

I find it very hard to believe that the wires were 'cut' and the vehicle made it out of the factory that way. I have worked with and for several OEM's, and vehicles do not make it out of the factory/quality inspection/PDI @ dealerships with the reverse sensor wires cut. That just doesn't happen. Furthermore, it is very unlikely that an OEM would by a vehicle back for the wires being cut.

Secondly, did you try to take the vehicle to a different Nissan dealership? Of course an aftermarket tire repair shop (such as Goodyear) will always tell you it is all the manufacturer's fault. Think about how easy it is for an independent shop to lay blame on the OEM. If you take your MC to Joe's boat shop and complain about all of these issues you experienced at your MC dealership, of course Joe's boat shop is going to tell you that the manufacturer is at fault and you shold never go back to that dealership again for service.

Again, no offense, but from being in the business, and reading this thread, it does not surprise me that the BBB declined your case. Every OEM builds lemons every now and again, whether it be Nissan, Toyota, Ford, Honda, or GM. It is just a matter of fact. I understand that you are very frustrated b/c you spent a lot of money on a vehicle and are obviously not happy - That is very frustrating. However, it seems rather immature to completely bash Nissan as a whole and tell the whole world that they suck. Bottom line, I wish you luck and hope that everything works out and you get what you are looking for.


I'm not going for anything but should rightfully be awarded to me. When you spend this type of money of a vehicle it should be right. Yes there are going to be those few lemons from every manufacturer on a given day but these manufacturers need to stand behind their product and not just BLOW OFF the consumer with the cost of cars these days. A car is the second largest purchase we make in this day and age and they can't even prove if this was there in the PDI report that they did not provide at arbitration. I've talked to several attorneys now and still trying to track one down that is ready to take the case. Looks like this will go to litigation for settlement. The 3rd party repair place I took my vehicle to did not say it was the dealer/manufacturers fault but gave me what I knew what the problem. They just validated what I knew was wrong but had no way to prove it because I don't have the equipment to test tires with. It's not so much the issue of the truck but the fact that Nissan basically blows off consumers with issues and will not address the issue at hand.

erkoehler
03-15-2008, 01:30 AM
Guess I'll cross Nissan off the list of vehicles to look at before buying the next vehicle.

TMCNo1
03-15-2008, 10:42 AM
these coffee shop stories actually have lot of meaning behind them.....

this morning in my coffee shop, this guy was talking about his nissan road walking sob!
from centered steering wheel, (hand on top of wheel) he said he'd have to move his hand from 10:00 to 2:00 just to keep it on the road... since they fixed it, he only has to go from 11:00 to 1:00.
he said it was like those movies where the driver was oversteering driving straight down the road.:rolleyes:

Kinda like a '47 Ford pickup with a wore out steering box!:D

Perry
04-04-2008, 08:10 AM
My situation is different. I have a Nissan Frontier, which I bought in mid of 2007. My second one. After a little over 25,000 miles, the clutch went out. I thought for sure Nissan would honor their warranty.

Guess what?

They said that it is a "wear and tear item." It is clearly read in their warranty guide that is still covered for 36 months, 36,000 miles.

The servcie manager told me that the warranty was good for only 25,000 miles.

Guess how many miles was on it?

25,211.

Gee.

I had to get it fixed myself. I had to have it towed, rent a car, and shell out almost $500 to have the thing fixed!

I went through the usual channels to get reimbursed. "Request denied."

I even went as far as sending a letter to the two top guys in Corporate, Mr. Bill Krueger & Mr. Carlos Ghosn.

Now, you'd think that one of them would take care of it.

Guess what?

I got a phone call last week from the "executive offices." Once again, they refused to honor their warranty.

Right now the transmission, which is manual, is shifting hard, so I have to have that looked at. It's at around 31,000 miles now.

I'm very seriously thinking about calling them up and telling them to come pick the damn thing up. I live in South Carolina, and paychecks can't be garnished, and I don't own anything with a title, like real estate and other vehicles, boats, and whatnot, so they can't take that route if they win in court. So they will be pretty much stuck.

I have already talked with a Ford dealership, and they said they would sell me a truck. :D But I'd rather buy a used vehicle. No more payments!

Still debating.

One thing is for sure, I am going to tell as many people as I can about Nissan not honoring their warranty.

D3skier
04-04-2008, 09:37 AM
My situation is different. I have a Nissan Frontier, which I bought in mid of 2007. My second one. After a little over 25,000 miles, the clutch went out. I thought for sure Nissan would honor their warranty.

Guess what?

They said that it is a "wear and tear item." It is clearly read in their warranty guide that is still covered for 36 months, 36,000 miles.

The servcie manager told me that the warranty was good for only 25,000 miles.

Guess how many miles was on it?

25,211.

Gee.

I had to get it fixed myself. I had to have it towed, rent a car, and shell out almost $500 to have the thing fixed!

I went through the usual channels to get reimbursed. "Request denied."

I even went as far as sending a letter to the two top guys in Corporate, Mr. Bill Krueger & Mr. Carlos Ghosn.

Now, you'd think that one of them would take care of it.

Guess what?

I got a phone call last week from the "executive offices." Once again, they refused to honor their warranty.

Right now the transmission, which is manual, is shifting hard, so I have to have that looked at. It's at around 31,000 miles now.

I'm very seriously thinking about calling them up and telling them to come pick the damn thing up. I live in South Carolina, and paychecks can't be garnished, and I don't own anything with a title, like real estate and other vehicles, boats, and whatnot, so they can't take that route if they win in court. So they will be pretty much stuck.

I have already talked with a Ford dealership, and they said they would sell me a truck. :D But I'd rather buy a used vehicle. No more payments!

Still debating.

One thing is for sure, I am going to tell as many people as I can about Nissan not honoring their warranty.


I'm sorry to hear you are having similar issues with Nissan as I am. I would highly suggest contacting an attorney to force your issue as for being reimbursed for the clutch because that should be covered under warranty. A typical clutch should last more than 25k miles. I would not suggest just letting the vehicle get repo'd it will be very difficult for you to get credit for anything else for quite some time and you will be asked about it every time you try to buy something on credit.

As for my updates, I got a phone call from an attorney last night willing to take my case. They stated the attorney will put a notice together and send it to Nissan demanding they purchase the vehicle back. The paralegal states it will be 6 to 8 weeks for Nissan to respond. I'd be willing to guess that if I push this issue hard enough Nissan will fold before it goes to court.

Look out Nissan I'm coming after you and I WILL WIN!!!!!!:mad: :D

6ballsisall
04-04-2008, 10:04 AM
Good luck to the both of you. As D3 said, I certainly wouldn't let your credit go to crap because of the clutch. Fight the battle the right way. Your credit will be destroyed if you stop paying on the vehicle.

Best of luck D3. If a couple of letters from an attorney demanding Nissan to buy back your vehicle works make certain to post that attorneys contact info, he's likely the best in the US. I've been down this road and from my experience and those I talked to who had experience it leads me to believe your battle will be much like everyone elses, time consuming, very frustrating, and fighting against a manufacturer that won't fold from a couple of letters. I hope I am wrong and if I am I'll gladly raise a glass to you and your attorney.

#47of100TeamMC
04-04-2008, 10:42 AM
Isn't it great that we can just sue anyone for anything we think WE deserve these days! I love how something doesn't go quite the way we would like or the way we would have pictured it and... "I'll sue you" or "I deserve this" It's always, more me NOW, all me, not you ME and ME ME ME again. "I'll tell everyone I know that you suck, and it's all about ME ME"

If you really think that a few letter's is going to make Nissan settle... Didn't you learn your lesson the first time? Didn't they already prove to you that they know the system and it's you who is fighting an up-hill battle. You thought you had everything covered and ... "DENIED".

Don't misunderstand me, I do believe you have issues that probably haven't been handled the way that seems reasonable. But sometimes it's better to cut your losses and move on. Chalk it up to experience and buy a different vehicle next time. Although I know that probably isn't an option in your mind. Good luck.

sdesmond
04-04-2008, 11:06 AM
You say they clearly state the clutch is covered 3 years 36,000 miles. I would like to see that. Unless that clutch is known defective you are going to be out of luck. It is a wear and tear item just like your brakes. You dont go back to the dealer wanting them to replace your brakes if they wear under your warranty do you? Same thing with the clutch. Your driving habbits determine the amount of wear on these items. I am affraid this is a battle you are going to lose. Cut your loses, get it replaced and be done with it.

stuartmcnair
04-04-2008, 11:18 AM
You say they clearly state the clutch is covered 3 years 36,000 miles. I would like to see that. Unless that clutch is known defective you are going to be out of luck. It is a wear and tear item just like your brakes. You dont go back to the dealer wanting them to replace your brakes if they wear under your warranty do you? Same thing with the clutch. Your driving habbits determine the amount of wear on these items. I am affraid this is a battle you are going to lose. Cut your loses, get it replaced and be done with it.

I hade a Nissan truck and it was probably the best vehicle I ever owned. I got it when I was fifteen and learned to drive a stick on it. I also learned how to dump the clutch, do doughnuts, mudride, jump fallen trees, drag race, you name it and never had an issue with the clutch wearing out. I think the dealer is FOS that that is a wear item. However, if they have a written policy about it then he is out of luck.

sdesmond
04-04-2008, 11:29 AM
I hade a Nissan truck and it was probably the best vehicle I ever owned. I got it when I was fifteen and learned to drive a stick on it. I also learned how to dump the clutch, do doughnuts, mudride, jump fallen trees, drag race, you name it and never had an issue with the clutch wearing out. I think the dealer is FOS that that is a wear item. However, if they have a written policy about it then he is out of luck.

How is this not a wear item? Thats like saying your brakes and rotors are not wear items. Your driving habbits directly effect how long these items will last. In my mind thats common sense. Just because your clutch lasted as long as it did dosent mean his will. I know it sucks but it is reality.

6ballsisall
04-04-2008, 11:45 AM
You say they clearly state the clutch is covered 3 years 36,000 miles. I would like to see that. Unless that clutch is known defective you are going to be out of luck. It is a wear and tear item just like your brakes. You dont go back to the dealer wanting them to replace your brakes if they wear under your warranty do you? Same thing with the clutch. Your driving habbits determine the amount of wear on these items. I am affraid this is a battle you are going to lose. Cut your loses, get it replaced and be done with it.


I think you are right about the clutch SD. ICBW, but I seem to remember a few years back my friend with a Ram 6 speed had the clutch go out. Somewhere in the warranty it said clutches weren't covered as they are wear and tear.

wakolman
04-04-2008, 11:46 AM
D3, an acquaintance of mine used this law firm to successfully get Ford to buy back a truck and replace it with a new model.

http://www.lemonattorney.com/index.shtml

I know that the Wisconsin lemon laws won't apply to you, but they are also a Manuson-Moss firm. Free phone consultation, FWIW.

sdesmond
04-04-2008, 12:00 PM
I agree with #47of100TeamMC. Everybody expects something for nothing now. If your warranty was over 200 miles before you went in to the shop then you are SOL. Why should any exceptions be made for you and not for anybody else? What kind of warranty are they talking about though? I thought all new vehicles came with a 3 year 36k warrenty. Either way a clutch will not be covered. Here is a page with the warranty info. Seems like if you are having tranny problems I would get it in and fixed. http://www.automotive.com/2007/12/nissan/frontier/warranty/index.html

stuartmcnair
04-04-2008, 02:09 PM
How is this not a wear item? Thats like saying your brakes and rotors are not wear items. Your driving habbits directly effect how long these items will last. In my mind thats common sense. Just because your clutch lasted as long as it did dosent mean his will. I know it sucks but it is reality.

I'm not saying it isn't...but I've put over 300,000 miles on vehicles with standard transmissions and raced mustangs for several years. Never once had to replace a clutch and I was harder on them than 99.99% of drivers.

Just my opinion but the dealer should have replaced it.

Besides, I would be willing to bet if that truck had an accurate speedometer in it there would be about 3% fewer miles on it and it would have been under warranty. Auto industry trick to set the speedo 3% fast to rack up miles quicker and get vehicles out of warranty.

D3skier
04-04-2008, 02:24 PM
D3, an acquaintance of mine used this law firm to successfully get Ford to buy back a truck and replace it with a new model.

http://www.lemonattorney.com/index.shtml

I know that the Wisconsin lemon laws won't apply to you, but they are also a Manuson-Moss firm. Free phone consultation, FWIW.


thanks for the info I'll keep it in mind if we can't get anything accomplished with this attorney

sdesmond
04-04-2008, 02:28 PM
I'm not saying it isn't...but I've put over 300,000 miles on vehicles with standard transmissions and raced mustangs for several years. Never once had to replace a clutch and I was harder on them than 99.99% of drivers.

Just my opinion but the dealer should have replaced it.

Besides, I would be willing to bet if that truck had an accurate speedometer in it there would be about 3% fewer miles on it and it would have been under warranty. Auto industry trick to set the speedo 3% fast to rack up miles quicker and get vehicles out of warranty.

I tinkered with my fair share of 5.0's as well. I upgraded all of my clutches. I would never have went to the track with a stock clutch in the car. Maybe your definition of "racing" is different than mine. That is neither here nor there. Should the clutch have went out in a stock vehicle? Probably not. Do I or you know how the truck is driven? No. Is the clutch a wear item? Yes! Is it bad luck that this happened to him? Most likely. Home many of the other manufactures are going to replace the clutch in this same situation? Im willing to bet none of them are. The auto industry is corrupt. We all know this. The speedometer info you mentioned is interesting. I just Googled it and they said some of the manufactures are up to 10% inaccurate. Very interesting.

6ballsisall
04-04-2008, 03:10 PM
I'm not saying it isn't...but I've put over 300,000 miles on vehicles with standard transmissions and raced mustangs for several years. Never once had to replace a clutch and I was harder on them than 99.99% of drivers.

Just my opinion but the dealer should have replaced it.

Besides, I would be willing to bet if that truck had an accurate speedometer in it there would be about 3% fewer miles on it and it would have been under warranty. Auto industry trick to set the speedo 3% fast to rack up miles quicker and get vehicles out of warranty.


Give me a Dodge Cummins truck, $500-1,000 to spend on performance parts, and 10 minutes of drive time and I'll show you a destroyed stock clutch. :cool:

lanier92prostar
04-04-2008, 03:13 PM
Give me a Dodge Cummins truck, $500-1,000 to spend on performance parts, and 10 minutes of drive time and I'll show you a destroyed stock clutch. :cool:
Give me the truck, let me put my camper on it and I could probably destroy it in less that 10 minutes:D :cool:

6ballsisall
04-04-2008, 03:15 PM
Give me the truck, let me put my camper on it and I could probably destroy it in less that 10 minutes:D :cool:


That too. :D ;)

lanier92prostar
04-04-2008, 03:19 PM
That too. :D ;)

I suppose with both modifications, we could take out the transmission in the same amount of time, what do you think?

6ballsisall
04-04-2008, 03:22 PM
I suppose with both modifications, we could take out the transmission in the same amount of time, what do you think?

It'd be done in a block or less if I was driving. ;)


THREADJACK ON!!!!!!!!!

D3skier
04-04-2008, 03:27 PM
Isn't it great that we can just sue anyone for anything we think WE deserve these days! I love how something doesn't go quite the way we would like or the way we would have pictured it and... "I'll sue you" or "I deserve this" It's always, more me NOW, all me, not you ME and ME ME ME again. "I'll tell everyone I know that you suck, and it's all about ME ME"

If you really think that a few letter's is going to make Nissan settle... Didn't you learn your lesson the first time? Didn't they already prove to you that they know the system and it's you who is fighting an up-hill battle. You thought you had everything covered and ... "DENIED".

Don't misunderstand me, I do believe you have issues that probably haven't been handled the way that seems reasonable. But sometimes it's better to cut your losses and move on. Chalk it up to experience and buy a different vehicle next time. Although I know that probably isn't an option in your mind. Good luck.

I'm sure it will take more than a few letters and bickering back and forth but once we get to the standstill and set the court date they will settle this before that point. You have to also take in to consideration that a vehicle is the second biggest purchase you will make next to your house. (but in our case it's actually the third) boat would be second in this case. The only lesson that I learned was Nissan pays for the arbitration hearing... no wonder it was denied... I have proven there is an issue with the tires and they refuse to address it. This is a safety hazard. I will push this issue until I'm blue in the face and refuse to give up.

Ryan
04-04-2008, 03:29 PM
I have to ask, did either of you with truck issues try other Nissan dealers?

I had a Nissan issue that just came to an end today, it was more accident related though (crunched-by-the-uninsured kind). If I don't get what is justly due I either take "NO" as a request for more information, or I'm like a rat in a maze, and keep trying other directions to get the cheese. I went to a dealer accross town and got it all taken care of. The dealership went above and beyond cust svc for everything way after the insurance $ ran out. Ok, so maybe their AAA rating put some leverage on our side (I'll spare the details).

Maristar210
04-04-2008, 03:38 PM
I ran a Nissan off the road once during a profound measure of roadrage, does that help?

6ballsisall
04-04-2008, 03:45 PM
I'm sure it will take more than a few letters and bickering back and forth but once we get to the standstill and set the court date they will settle this before that point. You have to also take in to consideration that a vehicle is the second biggest purchase you will make next to your house. (but in our case it's actually the third) boat would be second in this case. The only lesson that I learned was Nissan pays for the arbitration hearing... no wonder it was denied... I have proven there is an issue with the tires and they refuse to address it. This is a safety hazard. I will push this issue until I'm blue in the face and refuse to give up.


You forget the court systems move VERY slow. Oh, and we had a court date against Dodge and the didn't give a rats arse either, don't think they'll be afraid of you. This threaten them BS isn't going to scare them D3. You say they have to remember this was a big purchase and they better do what I want or else BS won't work. Nissan is much bigger than you, they have deeper pockets, and trust me, they've had people sue them hundreds of thousands of time, they know how to play the game 10x better than you or your attorney. NOW, that doesn't mean I don't disagree with your situation or that the situation shouldn't be rectified accordingly. But you being so confident that you'll get your way or you'll sue and then get your way and "HA-HA Nissan" is just not how the world works.

Lastly, If you plan to take this all they way (i.e. trial w/ jury etc....) you'd be wise to get this crap off the internet. DO NOT think for a second Nissan's attorneys won't be crawling up your arse to get sound bites of information on you which would help their case. I HIGHLY doubt you are even on their radar right now, but IF this does go all the way, you can be darn sure they will litigate every angle. Again, keep in mind, sound bites, not statements................

6ballsisall
04-04-2008, 03:46 PM
I ran a Nissan off the road once during a profound measure of roadrage, does that help?


Guess he should have bought a Chevy 1500HD right Steve??? :D

stuartmcnair
04-04-2008, 03:52 PM
Give me a Dodge Cummins truck, $500-1,000 to spend on performance parts, and 10 minutes of drive time and I'll show you a destroyed stock clutch. :cool:

Dodges come from the factory destroyed.....

ok, so my Mustang didn't have a stock clutch...one of the first things Texas Turbo changed. :) However, it lasted 100,000 miles so my statement is still accurate that it should not have worn out. I did autocross racing so I was pretty rough on it.

I can guarantee if that happened at either my GMC dealer or Volvo dealer that I deal with here it would have been replaced. But those two dealers are by far the exception to customer service. I think the Volvo dealer here is the best I have ever seen at taking care of their customers.

Maristar210
04-04-2008, 03:52 PM
Guess he should have bought a Chevy 1500HD right Steve??? :D


Maybe even a Dually???

With the new Vulva Diesel? Right?

You know the one that runs on LOVE

6ballsisall
04-04-2008, 03:56 PM
Maybe even a Dually???

With the new Vulva Diesel? Right?

You know the one that runs on LOVE


:uglyhamme :woohoo:

TRU DAT Mari!!!!

Although don't forget those 1500's can pull 12k pounds uphill both ways, in the snow of course

sdesmond
04-04-2008, 04:15 PM
The choice of vehicle one makes is not my problem because its not my money. You can buy whatever vehicle you want. I can care less. We all share the same taste in boats so atleast we are on the same page in that aspect. One think I will say is you aint gonna see me towing my MasterCraft with a Nissan :D

Upper Michigan Prostar190
04-04-2008, 04:23 PM
Does anyone know what Hoosier Bob is drinking? Lakey and I were wondering. :confused:

Upper Michigan Prostar190
04-04-2008, 04:23 PM
I wonder if Nissan designers are stoners?

6ballsisall
04-04-2008, 04:42 PM
Can anyone tell me how to change the impeller in my boat?

6ballsisall
04-04-2008, 04:45 PM
What insurance company should I use for boat insurance? :confused:

Monte
04-04-2008, 05:04 PM
Does UMP like crunchy or smooth peanut butter?

Upper Michigan Prostar190
04-04-2008, 05:07 PM
Sheep lie. They lie.

Monte
04-04-2008, 05:09 PM
Sheep lie. They lie.

standing?:confused:

Perry
04-04-2008, 06:27 PM
First of all, thanks to those who also replied to my issue.

Isn't it great that we can just sue anyone for anything we think WE deserve these days! I love how something doesn't go quite the way we would like or the way we would have pictured it and... "I'll sue you" or "I deserve this" It's always, more me NOW, all me, not you ME and ME ME ME again. "I'll tell everyone I know that you suck, and it's all about ME ME"

I'm sorry, sir, but that isn't even worth replying to.


sdesmond,

Of course it is a wear and tear item, but these are not brakes or windshield wipers, and, we are talking about just over 25,000 miles.

Also, on page 4 of the Nissan Frontier Warranty Information Booklet, it states:

"The basic coverage period is 36 months or 36,000 miles, whichever comes first.

This warranty covers any repairs needed to correct defects in materials or workmanship of all parts and components of each new Nissan vehicle supplied by Nissan except for the exclusions or items listed under the caption: "WHAT IS NOT COVERED" or as indicated below."

It states "any repairs" and "all parts and components."

The clutch is not listed in the "WHAT IS NOT COVERED" section. If it were, or if it said something like, "not all parts..." that is different.

The clutch is a "part," wear and tear or not. All parts on the vehicle are wear and tear. There are parts in the engine that are less durable than a clutch, yet "all parts" in the engine has a warranty of 36,000 miles and 36 months.

The synchronizer, which I think is the reason the gears are now hard to shift is going out, THAT is a wear and tear item.

And, again, the service manager over at Nissan told me the warranty for the clutch is for only 25,000 mile, and I had just a little over that. That right there told me what I was in for.

So, if I am missing something here, what would it be?

I'm not going to take this to court as it means more money being spent. Hell, have them sue me, and I can state my own case. My credit isn't exactly great, and since I don't want any more credit cards, and whatnot...

Bottom line is, they lost me as a customer, and they will lose many more sales due to me telling as many people, both off and online about my experience.

$600 some dollars versus tens of thousands of dollars, if not more. Not smart.

Anyway, good luck to you, D3skier. I hope everything works out for you.

TX.X-30 fan
04-04-2008, 07:04 PM
Was it mostly driven by a chic, some ladies like to rest their food on the pedal while they drive. Smooth burn it up prematurely with a partially engaged clutch. That's saying nothing about just plain shifting like a one legged belly dancer.

Without some serious defect my first guess would be driver error. These little rice patty cars don't weigh as much as my boat trailer so the clutch should last as long as all the other plastic.

Ryan
04-04-2008, 07:05 PM
Does UMP like crunchy or smooth peanut butter?


Smooth. It goes much better with his SlimFast. 8p

TX.X-30 fan
04-04-2008, 07:08 PM
Do I need to grease the exhaust riser bearings, if so what grease should I use??

O'h its the MTX

ted shred
04-04-2008, 08:05 PM
Do I need to grease the exhaust riser bearings, if so what grease should I use??

O'h its the MTX

Lard is the best grease for exhaust riser bearings. Also works well on muffler bearings too,

Monte
04-04-2008, 08:07 PM
Lard is the best grease for exhaust riser bearings. Also works well on muffler bearings too,

Do you need a lefthanded screwdriver to install those?

6ballsisall
04-04-2008, 08:15 PM
Do you need a lefthanded screwdriver to install those?

Absolutely, my warranty got voided because I tried to use a right hand one.

I think my turn signal fluid reservoir is faulty. The dealership told me it was within spec. I think I am going to sue.........

TX.X-30 fan
04-04-2008, 08:22 PM
Lard is the best grease for exhaust riser bearings. Also works well on muffler bearings too,




What about Crisco yes its lighter and hydrogenated but would this be a problem? If so I can get suet from the butcher and use that?

6ballsisall
04-04-2008, 08:25 PM
What about Crisco yes its lighter and hydrogenated but would this be a problem? If so I can get suet from the butcher and use that?


If not just sue......... Its the American way!

TX.X-30 fan
04-04-2008, 08:34 PM
Like to sue you 1ballisall, what's up with barney I find it highly offensive that he seems to be spankin some booty?? :mad: :mad:

6ballsisall
04-04-2008, 08:44 PM
Should I be using Dino or Synthetic oil in my boat??

stuartmcnair
04-05-2008, 01:02 AM
Should I be using Dino or Synthetic oil in my boat??

I think that depends on if you have teak or plastic...

Doug G
04-05-2008, 02:56 AM
Should I be using Dino or Synthetic oil in my boat??

If it's the MCX with noisey muffler bearings use the synthetic it will raise your top end by atleast 5 mph but increase your fuel consumption, but then the stock ballast will fill too slow and the perfect pass will need to be recalibrated to the speedo but that's only with the Acme prop, the OJ will lower it by 6.4 mph (Jim has some leftovers if you need one) on the LT1 and increase your hole shot but that attitude plate offsets all of that as long as teak oil isn't dripping on it or creating too much backpressure thru the chrome tips with baffles but all of that goes away if you use the right filter... which one was that again?

Breaking News ... Nissan attorneys all call in sick today .. rumor is a letter from D3 has arrived and none of them want to face it.

sdesmond
04-05-2008, 09:36 AM
First of all, thanks to those who also replied to my issue.



I'm sorry, sir, but that isn't even worth replying to.


sdesmond,

Of course it is a wear and tear item, but these are not brakes or windshield wipers, and, we are talking about just over 25,000 miles.

Also, on page 4 of the Nissan Frontier Warranty Information Booklet, it states:

"The basic coverage period is 36 months or 36,000 miles, whichever comes first.

This warranty covers any repairs needed to correct defects in materials or workmanship of all parts and components of each new Nissan vehicle supplied by Nissan except for the exclusions or items listed under the caption: "WHAT IS NOT COVERED" or as indicated below."

It states "any repairs" and "all parts and components."

The clutch is not listed in the "WHAT IS NOT COVERED" section. If it were, or if it said something like, "not all parts..." that is different.

The clutch is a "part," wear and tear or not. All parts on the vehicle are wear and tear. There are parts in the engine that are less durable than a clutch, yet "all parts" in the engine has a warranty of 36,000 miles and 36 months.

The synchronizer, which I think is the reason the gears are now hard to shift is going out, THAT is a wear and tear item.

And, again, the service manager over at Nissan told me the warranty for the clutch is for only 25,000 mile, and I had just a little over that. That right there told me what I was in for.

So, if I am missing something here, what would it be?

I'm not going to take this to court as it means more money being spent. Hell, have them sue me, and I can state my own case. My credit isn't exactly great, and since I don't want any more credit cards, and whatnot...

Bottom line is, they lost me as a customer, and they will lose many more sales due to me telling as many people, both off and online about my experience.

$600 some dollars versus tens of thousands of dollars, if not more. Not smart.

Anyway, good luck to you, D3skier. I hope everything works out for you.


Why would they only cover the clutch to 25,000 mi then? It almost seems like they put the cheapest clutch in they could find. It sucks now days that you have to read all the fine print.

TX.X-30 fan
04-05-2008, 10:30 AM
If it's the MCX with noisey muffler bearings use the synthetic it will raise your top end by atleast 5 mph but increase your fuel consumption, but then the stock ballast will fill too slow and the perfect pass will need to be recalibrated to the speedo but that's only with the Acme prop, the OJ will lower it by 6.4 mph (Jim has some leftovers if you need one) on the LT1 and increase your hole shot but that attitude plate offsets all of that as long as teak oil isn't dripping on it or creating too much backpressure thru the chrome tips with baffles but all of that goes away if you use the right filter... which one was that again?

Breaking News ... Nissan attorneys all call in sick today .. rumor is a letter from D3 has arrived and none of them want to face it.




You must have been drinking, damn funny!!!! :D :D

D3skier
04-05-2008, 12:52 PM
If it's the MCX with noisey muffler bearings use the synthetic it will raise your top end by atleast 5 mph but increase your fuel consumption, but then the stock ballast will fill too slow and the perfect pass will need to be recalibrated to the speedo but that's only with the Acme prop, the OJ will lower it by 6.4 mph (Jim has some leftovers if you need one) on the LT1 and increase your hole shot but that attitude plate offsets all of that as long as teak oil isn't dripping on it or creating too much backpressure thru the chrome tips with baffles but all of that goes away if you use the right filter... which one was that again?

Breaking News ... Nissan attorneys all call in sick today .. rumor is a letter from D3 has arrived and none of them want to face it.

Isn't this what all attorneys do anyway? Just ignore the situation when they don't want to deal with it?

Workin' 4 Toys
04-05-2008, 11:51 PM
Forbes rated this truck in the top 20 worst buys

Interesting.

uncleboo
04-07-2008, 01:44 AM
Put some new tires on the Titan, sell it, and get something else. You bought a truck--it is going to ride/drive like a truck. Maybe you should buy a minivan instead.

cdawake
04-07-2008, 02:51 AM
you should have bought a TUNDRA !!!

D3skier
04-07-2008, 09:12 AM
Put some new tires on the Titan, sell it, and get something else. You bought a truck--it is going to ride/drive like a truck. Maybe you should buy a minivan instead.


I've owned a full size extra cab truck for over 10 years now so I think I know how a truck rides. I've had pretty much every make out there from Chevy(91,01), Dodge(99,04), GMC(03),Nissan(05,08) and also have driven the Tundra and Ford trucks. When you've been a mechanic for over 10 years you know when there is something wrong. This isn't your typical "truck" vibration, I have validated the issue with a Goodyear tire store by having the tires road force tested and found there is two tires out of specification.

I looked at buying a Tundra but just couldn't get the deal that I was looking for and I liked the 7' bed on the crew cab Titan. Needless to say I didn't end up getting this option this time, but was very pleased with the overall performance and reliability of my 05. Also why would I spend another $1200 for new tires when this truck is new and should cover these issues. As for getting rid of it, try selling a brand new car 6 months after you buy it and see where you stand with trade in value...

phecksel
04-07-2008, 09:59 AM
you should have bought a TUNDRA !!!
Tundra is having quality issues too.

Workin' 4 Toys
04-07-2008, 12:04 PM
Tundra is having quality issues too.
Have you seen the video of the "durability test". It was a comparison between Chevy, Ford, and Toyoto. Driving the trucks at the same speed over a test course. The toyota looked it was built out of jello...What a POS.

wakeX2wake
04-07-2008, 12:27 PM
Have you seen the video of the "durability test". It was a comparison between Chevy, Ford, and Toyoto. Driving the trucks at the same speed over a test course. The toyota looked it was built out of jello...What a POS.

where's the video... i want to check it out to see what model packages they're comparing

TX.X-30 fan
04-07-2008, 01:23 PM
Have you seen the video of the "durability test". It was a comparison between Chevy, Ford, and Toyoto. Driving the trucks at the same speed over a test course. The toyota looked it was built out of jello...What a POS.



Orange, grape, strawberry??????????? :D

6ballsisall
04-07-2008, 03:10 PM
Can anyone tell me the best way to treat a teak platform?

wakeX2wake
04-07-2008, 03:16 PM
muriatic acid to strip... then about three good coats of polyurethane

phecksel
04-08-2008, 09:18 AM
where's the video... i want to check it out to see what model packages they're comparing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWjTbiYo3x0

Workin' 4 Toys
04-08-2008, 10:38 AM
where's the video... i want to check it out to see what model packages they're comparing
u-tube has them, google, I'm sure if you did a quick search you'll find a few hundred. It wasn't my video. I can't remember if someone emailed it to me or posted it on a forum.

Orange, grape, strawberry??????????? :D
Not sure, but I'd guess it was yella.;)