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puck_11
02-19-2008, 10:34 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2008/BUSINESS/02/19/toshiba.hdd/index.html

Looks like it is finally Blu-ray! No more having to deal with two formats!

JBaker
02-19-2008, 10:37 PM
Yes! My blu-ray is safe!:woohoo:

Workin' 4 Toys
02-19-2008, 10:45 PM
Well, I sure do wish I knew which was the better of the two. I hope it is Blu-ray since that will be sticking around. Seems I may be getting into the party a little late, maybe I should wait for the Red-ray or the Beta-ray to come out next before jumping into the blue???:rolleyes:

When will I just be able to hook my computer up to the TV and download EXACTLY what I want to watch and eliminate these specialty players of all sorts.:rolleyes:

east tx skier
02-19-2008, 10:53 PM
Well, I sure do wish I knew which was the better of the two. I hope it is Blu-ray since that will be sticking around. Seems I may be getting into the party a little late, maybe I should wait for the Red-ray or the Beta-ray to come out next before jumping into the blue???:rolleyes:

When will I just be able to hook my computer up to the TV and download EXACTLY what I want to watch and eliminate these specialty players of all sorts.:rolleyes:

A couple of answers. HD-DVD used a red laser as does DVD. So don't wait for red ray.

You can download movies now and have been able to do so for some time. Quality isn't as good as HD by any stretch, but it's very convenient.

One example is amazon unbox (http://www.amazon.com/Unbox-Video-Downloads/b?ie=UTF8&node=16261631).

88 PS190
02-19-2008, 11:01 PM
Wait a minute. Did Sony finally win a format battle?

Lets look at their track record for a few moments.
Beta - loses to VHS, if you don't make it affordable for others to use your format it will not win!
Minidisk, remember how expensive those things were? they were cool but c'mon, then of course mp3 players with internal memory and more features come out and wham... Sony loses another format!

But bluray... if HD-DVD format loses, and it goes blueray sony will have won one.

I am not actually happy about that, but eh. They had the advantage of having a built in player in their game system and can take the loss of profit.

88 PS190
02-19-2008, 11:02 PM
duplicate... can't find delete.

Workin' 4 Toys
02-19-2008, 11:03 PM
A couple of answers. HD-DVD used a red laser as does DVD. So don't wait for red ray.

You can download movies now and have been able to do so for some time. Quality isn't as good as HD by any stretch, but it's very convenient.

One example is amazon unbox (http://www.amazon.com/Unbox-Video-Downloads/b?ie=UTF8&node=16261631).
How about Beta-ray then? Since it was better than VHS I thought it might be suitable for a retro come back.
Don't worry about me and the blu-ray, it's in process.

And the downloading of the garbage to watch on the boobtube, I know. I was kidding.
Come to think of it, I don't think we will be able to call the TVs boobtubes anymore since the tubes will be gone. And booblcds just doesn't have the catchy ring to it.:o

east tx skier
02-19-2008, 11:15 PM
How about Beta-ray then? Since it was better than VHS I thought it might be suitable for a retro come back.
Don't worry about me and the blu-ray, it's in process.

And the downloading of the garbage to watch on the boobtube, I know. I was kidding.
Come to think of it, I don't think we will be able to call the TVs boobtubes anymore since the tubes will be gone. And booblcds just doesn't have the catchy ring to it.:o

I've got a BluRay and think it's pretty snazzy looking. The comparisons I read as to which was better left me thinking that the reviewer was noticing things I never would. Of course, Blu-Ray's capacity is pretty significant and I don't see digital video files getting smaller.

JBaker
02-20-2008, 12:04 AM
Well, I sure do wish I knew which was the better of the two. I hope it is Blu-ray since that will be sticking around. Seems I may be getting into the party a little late, maybe I should wait for the Red-ray or the Beta-ray to come out next before jumping into the blue???:rolleyes:

When will I just be able to hook my computer up to the TV and download EXACTLY what I want to watch and eliminate these specialty players of all sorts.:rolleyes:
Blu-ray is in every way a superior technology. The only battle was really over converting existing manufacturing facilities. It is much cheeper to switch a dvd-producing plant over to HD-DVD than it is to Blu-Ray.

I was once told you could fit every episode of Seinfeld ever made on a single dual-layer Blu-Ray in SD.

east tx skier
02-20-2008, 12:08 AM
Blu-ray is in every way a superior technology. The only battle was really over converting existing manufacturing facilities. It is much cheeper to switch a dvd-producing plant over to HD-DVD than it is to Blu-Ray.

I was once told you could fit every episode of Seinfeld ever made on a single dual-layer Blu-Ray in SD.

I think it might take two dual layer Blu-Rays assuming 1 gig per hour of mpeg 2. Of course, with mpeg4 compression, that might be possible. Forgot about that variable.

JBaker
02-20-2008, 12:12 AM
I also find it very interesting that the video side is still moving very successfully towards better quality. Whereas the audio side is totally forgoing quality for convenience and portability. For years the media of choice for audio was an improvement over the last. But DVD-Audio, a natural progressive in sound quality has been a failure. Now in the iPod era, quality is of seemingly little relivence. Heck, until recently iTunes didn't offer anything better than 128 kbps, and that is still the benchmark for the majority of their material. It looks like nowadays its all about how many thousand songs I can fit on my key chain, even if they sound like my grandpa's clock radio (ok, slight exaggeration.)

east tx skier
02-20-2008, 12:30 AM
I also find it very interesting that the video side is still moving very successfully towards better quality. Whereas the audio side is totally forgoing quality for convenience and portability. For years the media of choice for audio was an improvement over the last. But DVD-Audio, a natural progressive in sound quality has been a failure. Now in the iPod era, quality is of seemingly little relivence. Heck, until recently iTunes didn't offer anything better than 128 kbps, and that is still the benchmark for the majority of their material. It looks like nowadays its all about how many thousand songs I can fit on my key chain, even if they sound like my grandpa's clock radio (ok, slight exaggeration.)

Sadly, there is so much background noise in most facets of our lives that it's hard to notice a difference between compressed audio and the real thing. The boat is the perfect example. With the sound of water rushing by, I'm not missing the 1s and 0s. But in a quiet room, I can tell the difference.

DVD audio was priced too high and wouldn't play in my car without my having to buy a new player. MP3 and AAC are cheap and download quickly.

Abbey Road still sounds better on vinyl than it does on CD as do a lot of things originally produced for LP.

88 PS190
02-20-2008, 12:53 AM
Abbey Road still sounds better on vinyl than it does on CD as do a lot of things originally produced for LP.

Agreed, I was born during the transistion from but have gathered quite a collection of vinyl.

My roommate here is pissed, he backed the losing horse as it were.

east tx skier
02-20-2008, 10:04 AM
The Beatles catalog was remastered for the CD transfer and didn't turn out quite so good. I've got Revolver through Let it Be on Vinyl and the sound is as rich as anything I can put my finger on at the moment.

Jim@BAWS
02-20-2008, 10:13 AM
Think BOSE !!!


I also find it very interesting that the video side is still moving very successfully towards better quality. Whereas the audio side is totally forgoing quality for convenience and portability. For years the media of choice for audio was an improvement over the last. But DVD-Audio, a natural progressive in sound quality has been a failure. Now in the iPod era, quality is of seemingly little relivence. Heck, until recently iTunes didn't offer anything better than 128 kbps, and that is still the benchmark for the majority of their material. It looks like nowadays its all about how many thousand songs I can fit on my key chain, even if they sound like my grandpa's clock radio (ok, slight exaggeration.)

east tx skier
02-20-2008, 10:52 AM
Think BOSE !!!

Jim, does that mean that Bose still is trying to improve sound quality via external components, or are they working on some sort of amazing virtually lossless compression that I haven't heard about. Either way, more power to 'em!

Upper Michigan Prostar190
02-20-2008, 12:46 PM
Relax people!!!!!......Relax!!!!......HB is still drinking Coors light.

just calm down......Its gonna be OK.

Upper Michigan Prostar190
02-20-2008, 12:55 PM
The Beatles catalog was remastered for the CD transfer and didn't turn out quite so good. I've got Revolver through Let it Be on Vinyl and the sound is as rich as anything I can put my finger on at the moment.
Hey East..... you ever had the curiosity to try one of those Baron all tube power amps that Randall Smith built? they dont make them anymore, but you can find them used, at high prices. I think the bring $5K used....They are supposed to be just out of this world for fidelity. I would like to hear one.....they were supposed to be aimed at "serious audiophiles" who want un matched quality in their sound system. I have never heard of Mesa Engineering putting out anything bad......I would love to hear one for myself..... but at that rate.....you could easily have near $10K wrapped up in two speakers, an amp, and CD player & vinyl spinner. I have hear they are wicked when coupled with a high end vinyl spinner and some good vinyl like those Beatles ones you mentioned.....

88 PS190
02-20-2008, 01:58 PM
The Beatles catalog was remastered for the CD transfer and didn't turn out quite so good. I've got Revolver through Let it Be on Vinyl and the sound is as rich as anything I can put my finger on at the moment.

I have yet to listen to a beatles CD that matched the timing between songs, and there isn't one that has the run out groove from the white album on there.

east tx skier
02-20-2008, 02:42 PM
Hey East..... you ever had the curiosity to try one of those Baron all tube power amps that Randall Smith built? they dont make them anymore, but you can find them used, at high prices. I think the bring $5K used....They are supposed to be just out of this world for fidelity. I would like to hear one.....they were supposed to be aimed at "serious audiophiles" who want un matched quality in their sound system. I have never heard of Mesa Engineering putting out anything bad......I would love to hear one for myself..... but at that rate.....you could easily have near $10K wrapped up in two speakers, an amp, and CD player & vinyl spinner. I have hear they are wicked when coupled with a high end vinyl spinner and some good vinyl like those Beatles ones you mentioned.....

Is this for guitar or for stereo? If for the former, it sounds akin to those old Matchless combo amps that ran $4,000 a pop for triple 10s. Low output, but phenominal sound. As for speakers, I have a pair of cabinets with late 60s Jensens (2x12 in each). Nothing sounds quite like them.

If we are talking about stereo, the money I could hypothetically put toward that has been given to the boat instead. My mom has a beautiful MacIntosh tube amp and turntable custom built into a piece of furniture that sounds absolutely unbelievable though. No pictures, but the old analog EQ is very cool.

east tx skier
02-20-2008, 02:43 PM
I have yet to listen to a beatles CD that matched the timing between songs, and there isn't one that has the run out groove from the white album on there.

They tried that on the Sgt Peppar's CD, but I've never compared the two to see if it worked. The pan separation on Abbey Road just isn't the same. Very noticeable on Bathroom Window.

Upper Michigan Prostar190
02-20-2008, 03:56 PM
Is this for guitar or for stereo? If for the former, it sounds akin to those old Matchless combo amps that ran $4,000 a pop for triple 10s. Low output, but phenominal sound. As for speakers, I have a pair of cabinets with late 60s Jensens (2x12 in each). Nothing sounds quite like them.

If we are talking about stereo, the money I could hypothetically put toward that has been given to the boat instead. My mom has a beautiful MacIntosh tube amp and turntable custom built into a piece of furniture that sounds absolutely unbelievable though. No pictures, but the old analog EQ is very cool.


Cool stuff!

and yes I meant stereo. Not guitar. Randall made some Tube stereo Amps. they were expensive buggers. bout 5K new I think, and you gotta fork out about 5K for a used one. They are supposed to be just amazing fidelity. the tube richness supposedly carries thru to the stereo applications too from what I have read & heard. I guess it makes sense, think about the difference between tube and solid state on guitar amps.......there is NO comparison.....no matter WHAT type of modeling, sampling, junk you use, you simply CANNOT reproduce that rich tube sound. so I guess it stands to reason..... who knows....

east tx skier
02-20-2008, 04:17 PM
Cool stuff!

and yes I meant stereo. Not guitar. Randall made some Tube stereo Amps. they were expensive buggers. bout 5K new I think, and you gotta fork out about 5K for a used one. They are supposed to be just amazing fidelity. the tube richness supposedly carries thru to the stereo applications too from what I have read & heard. I guess it makes sense, think about the difference between tube and solid state on guitar amps.......there is NO comparison.....no matter WHAT type of modeling, sampling, junk you use, you simply CANNOT reproduce that rich tube sound. so I guess it stands to reason..... who knows....

I got rid of my solid state/hybrid guitar amps long ago. Everything I own is all tube. If you ever come across any of those RCA J.A.N. tubes N.I.B., snatch 'em up. They're gold.

Upper Michigan Prostar190
02-20-2008, 04:34 PM
I got rid of my solid state/hybrid guitar amps long ago. Everything I own is all tube. If you ever come across any of those RCA J.A.N. tubes N.I.B., snatch 'em up. They're gold.
I know alot of guys go crazy for Mullard tubes too. I just run Mesa tubes in my boogies. My laney has Ruby preamp tubes, and EH power tubes.

my marshall power amp, still has the original tubes, so I have no idea whats in there......never cracked it open yet.

east tx skier
02-20-2008, 04:43 PM
I had some Mesa tubes in my old Bassman 100 head that I swapped for Groove Tubes in the 90s. I ran Rubys in my vibrolux reverb with the Rectifier being an RCA J.A.N. My Deluxe Reverb and Bandmaster 50 have whatever was in there when I bought it.

east tx skier
02-20-2008, 04:47 PM
edit. Not the droids I was looking for.

TX.X-30 fan
02-20-2008, 06:54 PM
Is it too much to ask for for both of you gentlemen to stay on topic????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????

Upper Michigan Prostar190
02-20-2008, 07:07 PM
Is it too much to ask for for both of you gentlemen to stay on topic????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????
Shut up stewart.


East, do you think that Groove Tubes thing is a bit of a marketing ploy? I mean there seem to be alot of nay-sayers regarding Aspen Pitman. I have never owned groove tubes, and I was going to buy some until a pal of mine told me it was just a marketing ploy......I mean, the same can be said about Mesa tubes...but at least you got the "predetermined" biasing issue there.

TX.X-30 fan
02-20-2008, 07:12 PM
Shut up stewart.






Well I never!!!!!!!!




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east tx skier
02-20-2008, 07:46 PM
Is it too much to ask for for both of you gentlemen to stay on topic????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????

HD-DVD is dead. Funeral was yesterday. What is left to discuss about it?

east tx skier
02-20-2008, 07:47 PM
Shut up stewart.


East, do you think that Groove Tubes thing is a bit of a marketing ploy? I mean there seem to be alot of nay-sayers regarding Aspen Pitman. I have never owned groove tubes, and I was going to buy some until a pal of mine told me it was just a marketing ploy......I mean, the same can be said about Mesa tubes...but at least you got the "predetermined" biasing issue there.

They sounded much better than the particular Mesa tubes that amp originally had. I'd trade them all for the black polished based RCA J.A.N. tubes though. Really amazing sound that you just don't get from the new stuff.

JohnnyB
02-20-2008, 07:54 PM
So did the porn industry drive the decision like they did with Beta v. VHS??

88 PS190
02-20-2008, 08:01 PM
maybe a scientific investigation into spunk resistance is in order.

TX.X-30 fan
02-20-2008, 08:11 PM
So did the porn industry drive the decision like they did with Beta v. VHS??




I think I read somewhere :rolleyes: that porn was rigidly opposed to blu-ray??? 8p

Upper Michigan Prostar190
02-20-2008, 08:29 PM
So did the porn industry drive the decision like they did with Beta v. VHS??
I shure hope so.

east tx skier
02-21-2008, 10:54 AM
I shure hope so.

Porn went with HD-DVD early on because it was cheaper presumably. I think they switched at some point, or so I read.

Upper Michigan Prostar190
02-21-2008, 12:40 PM
Porn went with HD-DVD early on because it was cheaper presumably. I think they switched at some point, or so I read.
all I know is The DVD stuff is WAY better than the old Beta & VHS tapes I used to have. and WAY better than the old reel to reel stuff my grandpa had that I used to sneak a peak at when he wasnt home.

M-Funf
02-21-2008, 01:20 PM
So did the porn industry drive the decision like they did with Beta v. VHS??

I was listening to a radio show this AM, and a some guy was talking about this exact thing. He talked about how the porn industry used VHS and drove Beta out, and how they could be part of the reason that HD-DVD was driven out.

He also mentioned that BluRay is the better technology.

Upper Michigan Prostar190
02-21-2008, 01:24 PM
HA HA!!!! so the porn industry rules then!!! :headbang:

east tx skier
02-21-2008, 02:15 PM
HA HA!!!! so the porn industry rules then!!! :headbang:

But why did they switch I wonder? Larger capacity is something they value I suppose.

endl
02-21-2008, 02:47 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2008/BUSINESS/02/19/toshiba.hdd/index.html

Looks like it is finally Blu-ray! No more having to deal with two formats!
Great.......I bought a Tosihba HD DVD player week before last. No wonder they ran them on sale!

88 PS190
02-21-2008, 07:08 PM
Great.......I bought a Tosihba HD DVD player week before last. No wonder they ran them on sale!
RETURN!
If I had HD DVD and they did this to me I would return everything I still could. And get out of it.

east tx skier
02-21-2008, 10:28 PM
On a similar note, I bought my PS3 a week before the price cut. I walked into Best Buy with my receipt and had a $100 in my hand in five minutes without hesitation on their part. This may be my only wholly positive experience with Best Buy.

JBaker
02-21-2008, 11:13 PM
Love my Blu-Ray, but it doesn't play CDs, have you guys noticed this as well? FYI I have a Sharp Aquos Blu-Ray.