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cbryan70
02-05-2008, 10:27 PM
Well i just picked up a teak...for free...had to unbury it from the ground and get the snow off it and dirt


http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a76/cbryan70/100_1747.jpgmore pictures of the teak
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a76/cbryan70/100_1748.jpg
After a power wash!!!
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a76/cbryan70/100_1752.jpg

cbryan70
02-05-2008, 10:28 PM
Sanding
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a76/cbryan70/100_1753.jpg
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a76/cbryan70/100_1755.jpg

cbryan70
02-05-2008, 10:29 PM
Template of size it needs to be
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a76/cbryan70/100_1756.jpg
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a76/cbryan70/100_1757.jpg
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a76/cbryan70/100_1758.jpg

cbryan70
02-05-2008, 10:29 PM
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a76/cbryan70/100_1759.jpg

Done for the night more sanding and cleaning tomorrow
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a76/cbryan70/100_1760-1.jpg

cbryan70
02-05-2008, 10:30 PM
I think this is a really dark peice of teak as it is off a older CC boat but its hard to tell its SOO dirty. It literally had plants growing on top of it

cbryan70
02-05-2008, 10:32 PM
Now it looks as if its all just screwed together. Is this correct or is there glue as well?

Monte
02-05-2008, 10:35 PM
I think this is a really dark peice of teak as it is off a older CC boat but its hard to tell its SOO dirty. It literally had plants growing on top of it

Take a pressure washer to it;)

cbryan70
02-05-2008, 10:36 PM
Already Did

erkoehler
02-05-2008, 10:43 PM
Come up to Chicago Mastercraft, I'll get you some cleaner.

Monte
02-05-2008, 10:44 PM
Wow! That IS dark.... High pressure??

cbryan70
02-05-2008, 10:45 PM
I have some teak cleaner......i think ill bust out the acid next

cbryan70
02-05-2008, 10:45 PM
Not to high but yeah pretty high it hurts if it hits your hand...erk what kind of teak cleaner do yo have?

Monte
02-05-2008, 10:47 PM
I have some teak cleaner......i think ill bust out the acid next

Now what good is that gonna do you? Getting a buzz will not help this matter in the least8p

Wow hardcore:cool:

Monte
02-05-2008, 10:48 PM
Not to high but yeah pretty high it hurts if it hits your hand...erk what kind of teak cleaner do yo have?

Try about a 15 degree nozzle.. Seriously;)

erkoehler
02-05-2008, 10:48 PM
We use a two step cleaner. Not sure on the brand.....

Upper Michigan Prostar190
02-05-2008, 10:49 PM
teak. good thread.

cbryan70
02-05-2008, 10:50 PM
i new that acid comment was going to come. last time i did this earlier this winter i used muratic acid...wow spell and it seemed to work well. I used the star brite teak cleaner going to use it again tomorrow after i sanded and got some of the crap off of it and see how it turns, if that doesnt work...acid it, if that doesnt work ill give you a call erk

cbryan70
02-05-2008, 10:51 PM
teak. good thread.

ohhh the words i cant say on this forum...always get some decent convo and info tho...has anyone resized one? is it just screwed together? thats what it looks like. if say it may not be TO hard to resize it. also i beleive im going to have to take out the gas tank would this be correct? planning on putting a stainless backing plate on the inside for extra support

Upper Michigan Prostar190
02-05-2008, 10:54 PM
We use a two step cleaner. Not sure on the brand.....
swim platforms dont have steps.

cbryan70
02-05-2008, 10:56 PM
stop with the thread jacks you ****ing idiot!

cbryan70
02-05-2008, 10:56 PM
:wavey: .........

pram
02-05-2008, 10:57 PM
Hey hey hey Upper Michigan Prostar I think that you are correct in the assumption that Swim Platforms don't have steps, but the real question here is now and forever...............

What kinda oil would Harold recommend on that new platform???

cbryan70
02-05-2008, 10:58 PM
welp this thread sure went to **** in a hurry

pram
02-05-2008, 10:59 PM
welp this thread sure went to **** in a hurry


Does that mean that you are going to use a StarBright product to get that SHINE back:confused: :confused:

Monte
02-05-2008, 11:00 PM
welp this thread sure went to **** in a hurry


Darnit man.. Buck up.. It is a teak thread.. Never has there been one that has not been jacked..

Now... Back to the subject at hand.. Cleaning your teak... Have you ever pressure washed a driveway?;)

cbryan70
02-05-2008, 11:00 PM
yes yes i will be star bright teak cleaner then the sealer for abotu 15 coats

cbryan70
02-05-2008, 11:01 PM
well i did use acid to pressure wash the drive way!

Monte
02-05-2008, 11:15 PM
well i did use acid to pressure wash the drive way!

I don't know about the whole acid thing.. BUT hey..... It's your teak... It may just be dark:rolleyes:

Upper Michigan Prostar190
02-05-2008, 11:20 PM
I would have dropped the acid on the driveway.

Monte
02-05-2008, 11:22 PM
I would have dropped the acid on the driveway.

Ump..:mad: That would stain the driveway:rolleyes: :D

Upper Michigan Prostar190
02-05-2008, 11:30 PM
Ump..:mad: That would stain the driveway:rolleyes: :D
you've never listened to Iron Butterfly have you?

Monte
02-05-2008, 11:36 PM
you've never listened to Iron Butterfly have you?

Nope! But what do you think of that new Jack Johnson??;)

pram
02-05-2008, 11:37 PM
I would have dropped the acid on the driveway.


that's cr@ppy cause those things are small when they are individual sized

h2oskifreak
02-06-2008, 12:39 AM
I'll second the acid questioning. I also think your template is too rough (and soft) get rigid baby. Might I suggest duct tape coverage or start over w/ better board.

cbryan70
02-06-2008, 12:48 AM
yeah that was just to get an idea....it was snowing and raining when i was doing it

cbryan70
02-06-2008, 12:54 AM
would a teak brightener help with how dark this thing is?

cbryan70
02-06-2008, 10:14 AM
anyone? will teak brightener bring out alot? also are these things just put together with screws or is their glue as well

TMCNo1
02-06-2008, 10:22 AM
anyone? will teak brightener bring out alot? also are these things just put together with screws or is their glue as well


The brightener should not lighten it any, because the color goes all the way thru the wood.
Not knowing who made the platform, but the ones MC has built, usually is glued and screwed.
For goodness sake, don't try to shorten it by taking it out of the middle. Move the end braces in to match your brackets, take out the short end pieces and cut off the long pieces on each end and reinsert the short pieces and clean up the edges.

Roonie's
02-06-2008, 10:24 AM
The glue could be non-existent now since it was stored outside and had organic growth. The best thing to do is unscrew it and see. I am guessing it will come apart easily.

TRBenj
02-06-2008, 10:40 AM
It should not be glued, only screwed. Get some starbright teak cleaner, a brass bristle brush, and go to work. Rinse off with the powerwasher.

cbryan70
02-06-2008, 10:42 AM
Yeah tmc that is what we decided last night just cut the edges and route them back to look nice as sodar stated in another thread. SO you think the wood is going to stay dark? will it still look decent? im going to keep sanding and using teak cleaner to see what i can get out of it. Also if it is glued what would i beable to use to get the glue "unstuck" and what glue should i just to get it back. I think im going to be taking out one of the horizontal teak peices as well to make it a little shorter so it wont stick so far out the back of my boat.

3event
02-06-2008, 10:46 AM
Is the dark color partially due to the years of moisture? Maybe it needs a home in a Phoenix backyard for a summer to really dry out. I dunno.

Your initiative is impressive, plenty of work.

If you get an unappealing result, you could always just Linex the thing and keep it as a no-maintenance spare.

disclaimer: i would never normally recommend such teak abuse as linex, waiting now to be flamed !

cbryan70
02-06-2008, 10:49 AM
ohhh no way in heck im going to do that. I will get this thing looking pretty it will be one of the best restores "im hoping"!

Roonie's
02-06-2008, 11:08 AM
The dark look will make it exotic. I think after doing all the cleaning and brightening that you let it dry out really good and it should be much lighter in color.

If it is glued then go slowly with a prybar. The glue should be weak enough to be able to be pryed apart without problems.

TMCNo1
02-06-2008, 11:22 AM
Yeah tmc that is what we decided last night just cut the edges and route them back to look nice as sodar stated in another thread. SO you think the wood is going to stay dark? will it still look decent? im going to keep sanding and using teak cleaner to see what i can get out of it. Also if it is glued what would i beable to use to get the glue "unstuck" and what glue should i just to get it back. I think im going to be taking out one of the horizontal teak peices as well to make it a little shorter so it wont stick so far out the back of my boat.


The dark teak or in some cases, like our platform there are real dark streaks. The dark wood indicates the wood has a natural high oil content and the grains in the wood are harder than the lighter wood, much like the core, knot holes and real rich dark areas in pine. That is why people use the rosin rich areas of pine (kindling) to start fires with. Light pine wood will rot away and leave the rosin rich wood behind because the rosin oils prevent rot. Same for cedar wood, it is used for fence posts and landscaping timbers because the oil preserves the wood. That is probably why that platform has held up and has retained it's dark color so well, from the high natural oil content, thus preserving it well. Personally I prefer the darker color platforms because the finish looks deeper and doesn't show crud so easy.:twocents:
Just notice, when you cut off the ends, you will see the real original wood color, just as you would if you had just cut it from the tree. Teak is used because it is one of the most naturally oily woods around and stand up to the elements so well and it only leaches it oils on the surface of the wood when exposed to the elements and not protected by a good sealer/preserver that restores oils back to the exposed wood surfaces. More:twocents:

cbryan70
02-06-2008, 11:26 AM
ohhh i dont mind it being dark i will like it dark i just dont want it to turn out black! thanks for all the input tmc any ideas how to remove the teak parts if it is glued

TMCNo1
02-06-2008, 11:31 AM
ohhh i dont mind it being dark i will like it dark i just dont want it to turn out black! thanks for all the input tmc any ideas how to remove the teak parts if it is glued

Remove screws, knock pieces apart with a rubber or deadblow hammer and scrape glue off with a putty knife if glue exists.

h2oskifreak
02-06-2008, 12:02 PM
Before you get to chopping her up, make sure your not removing the places where your mounting hardware from below attatches. If you have to mfg. the brackets I might start there w/ some mock ups so you know the support and surfaces are there. I have done the chop job and mfg. of brackets. It is a lot of work, go slow and think it through.

Upper Michigan Prostar190
02-06-2008, 12:04 PM
I thought you guys solved all this last night.......

TMCNo1
02-06-2008, 12:15 PM
I thought you guys solved all this last night.......


Teak is a ever evolving process.http://www.gottadeal.com/forums/images/smilies/new/gdbacktopic.gif

cbryan70
02-06-2008, 12:53 PM
I thought i was going to have to manufactur the brackets but there are some stainless brackets on the boat. Although they may need some modification if im going to chop the teak down in length. I think it has 4 supports but i will more then likely be doing three supports depending

SkiDog
02-06-2008, 02:43 PM
The brightener should not lighten it any, because the color goes all the way thru the wood.
Not knowing who made the platform, but the ones MC has built, usually is glued and screwed.
For goodness sake, don't try to shorten it by taking it out of the middle. Move the end braces in to match your brackets, take out the short end pieces and cut off the long pieces on each end and reinsert the short pieces and clean up the edges.


THE MAN HAS SPOKEN!:D

SkiDog
02-06-2008, 02:45 PM
The dark teak or in some cases, like our platform there are real dark streaks. The dark wood indicates the wood has a natural high oil content and the grains in the wood are harder than the lighter wood, much like the core, knot holes and real rich dark areas in pine. That is why people use the rosin rich areas of pine (kindling) to start fires with. Light pine wood will rot away and leave the rosin rich wood behind because the rosin oils prevent rot. Same for cedar wood, it is used for fence posts and landscaping timbers because the oil preserves the wood. That is probably why that platform has held up and has retained it's dark color so well, from the high natural oil content, thus preserving it well. Personally I prefer the darker color platforms because the finish looks deeper and doesn't show crud so easy.:twocents:
Just notice, when you cut off the ends, you will see the real original wood color, just as you would if you had just cut it from the tree. Teak is used because it is one of the most naturally oily woods around and stand up to the elements so well and it only leaches it oils on the surface of the wood when exposed to the elements and not protected by a good sealer/preserver that restores oils back to the exposed wood surfaces. More:twocents:

The MAN has spoken again! You better listen!

SkiDog
02-06-2008, 02:45 PM
UMP, how are you? You need some peanut butter?:confused:

Maristar210
02-06-2008, 02:52 PM
UMP, how are you? You need some peanut butter?:confused:

You guys are always trying to get in on my peanut butter.

Get your own ****ing catch phrase :D 8p

TMCNo1
02-06-2008, 03:19 PM
You guys are always trying to get in on my peanut butter.

Get your own ****ing catch phrase :D 8p


"Johnny Cash helped me get out of prision"!:rolleyes:

TMCNo1
02-06-2008, 03:21 PM
The MAN has spoken again! You better listen!

Whens I get to thimkin' I gets on me a roll!

cbryan70
02-06-2008, 03:51 PM
Does anyone know the exact measurments of the teak platforms for a late 70's model mc? What is the curve at the transome ext.....

milkmania
02-06-2008, 05:50 PM
dark, light, green, red, blue........

it don't matter!

what matters is you are resurrecting a piece of history

hats off to ya:)

and good luck

TMCNo1
02-06-2008, 06:34 PM
dark, light, green, red, blue........

it don't matter!

what matters is you are resurrecting a piece of history

hats off to ya:)

and good luck


That thing is as dark as Grandma and Grandpa's outhouse seat, brings back memories!:rolleyes: ;) :D

cbryan70
02-07-2008, 12:00 AM
Another day of hard sanding and first coat of oil. This thing is dark but looks really nice. Crappy lighting in the basement!
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a76/cbryan70/100_1761.jpg
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a76/cbryan70/100_1762.jpg
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a76/cbryan70/100_1762.jpg

Sodar
02-07-2008, 10:46 AM
Why are you doing all of this work before you trim it down to the size needed?

cbryan70
02-07-2008, 10:50 AM
only thing that will be affected will be the sides. im not going to go through all the steps just trying to get it to look decent so it wont be so much work later on. What are the mounting brackets like that allow you to swing the platform down or take it off quickly?

Sodar
02-07-2008, 10:59 AM
Here is a thread (http://www.tmcowners.com/teamtalk/showthread.php?t=19112) about the install of the new folding brackets that come on the '08s.

The old/new style (compared to your fixed mount) are simple brackets that half the mount stays on the boat and half stay on the platform and they are connected by a hitch pin. I am sure someone will be along shortly to help you out with some pics. In the mean time, read over diesels thread...

TMCNo1
02-07-2008, 11:04 AM
only thing that will be affected will be the sides. im not going to go through all the steps just trying to get it to look decent so it wont be so much work later on. What are the mounting brackets like that allow you to swing the platform down or take it off quickly?



I just talked to Eric @ OJ Props and his CAD guy this morning. OJ Props makes the fold down bracket option for the new boats and they are in the process of finishing some prototype mounting plates for the older boats for retrofitting the short platform bracket model of the fold down platform brackets to the older boats.
Stay tuned and OJ will be informing us when the items are available and they will be putting them on there website under "Products" @ www.ojprops.com (http://www.ojprops.com) in the future.

cbryan70
02-07-2008, 11:05 AM
thanks for the thread. going to try to maybe do somthing like this

loeweb
02-07-2008, 11:07 AM
Here is a thread (http://www.tmcowners.com/teamtalk/showthread.php?t=19112) about the install of the new folding brackets that come on the '08s.

The old/new style (compared to your fixed mount) are simple brackets that half the mount stays on the boat and half stay on the platform and they are connected by a hitch pin. I am sure someone will be along shortly to help you out with some pics. In the mean time, read over diesels thread...

Sorry for the jack, but where can I find brackets that remove the deck from the boat but don't fold down. Don't need my deck to fold down, but I am getting tired of taking off 20 screws just to take it off the boat.

cbryan70
02-07-2008, 11:18 AM
on a 79 mc will i run into the same issues with the transom being on a slant? i do not have my boat at the hosue so i cannot look at it to analyze. Currently i do have brackets that i can get off of another boat and im hoping they will work for the time being.

ski_king
02-07-2008, 11:34 AM
A word of caution......
Be careful with the teak oil when working that close to a gas waterheater........

I believe teak oil is flameable....:firejump:

cbryan70
02-07-2008, 11:37 AM
hahahha note taken

TMCNo1
02-07-2008, 11:39 AM
A word of caution......
Be careful with the teak oil when working that close to a gas waterheater........

I believe teak oil is flameable....:firejump:

Or use teak oil around a Kerosun Heater! Some teak oil has some kerosene in it as a solvent that evaporates.

TMCNo1
02-07-2008, 11:42 AM
Sorry for the jack, but where can I find brackets that remove the deck from the boat but don't fold down. Don't need my deck to fold down, but I am getting tired of taking off 20 screws just to take it off the boat.


Alloy Marine @ 1-800-892-1770 may be able to help you.

cbryan70
02-21-2008, 07:58 PM
alright starting to take the teak apart for the resize. SHould i reglue the peices together? seems as if they were once glued as well as drilled in

76S&S
02-21-2008, 08:08 PM
alright starting to take the teak apart for the resize. SHould i reglue the peices together? seems as if they were once glued as well as drilled in


I glued (Gorilla glue) and screwed mine, probably overkill.:o

cbryan70
02-21-2008, 08:14 PM
didnt the gorilla glue expand alot?

Upper Michigan Prostar190
02-21-2008, 08:32 PM
Teak .

Sodar
02-21-2008, 08:37 PM
Before you use any glue, wipe the teak down with acetone or denatured alcohol to remove the oil, then use a damp rag to moisten the surface to help adhesion...

76S&S
02-22-2008, 10:05 AM
didnt the gorilla glue expand alot?

Not really.......you put the glue on one board and wet the other. The glue does expand but with a little clamping pressure nothing moved.

Also as previously recommended, you will need to wipe down with acetone or something similar.

cbryan70
02-27-2008, 09:58 PM
While resized the teak here are some pictures of the progress

Before

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a76/cbryan70/100_1815.jpg


http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a76/cbryan70/100_1816.jpg

cbryan70
02-27-2008, 10:00 PM
after...
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a76/cbryan70/100_1817.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a76/cbryan70/100_1818.jpg

Going to try to get my boat out of storage and start making brackets and take old fiberglass platform off. Will need to take out the gas tank. Any advice when removing the gas tank? Obviously i will have to take off the gas line going to the carb as well as the filler tube. What else should i expect?

cbryan70
02-27-2008, 11:22 PM
no advice eh

TMCNo1
02-28-2008, 12:15 AM
no advice eh


Looks good, that's what I had in mind and keep up the good work and keep us informed. If it hasn't been wet in the last couple weeks it's about as dry as it's gonna get and looks like it will be a dark, dark color. What color was the wood inside where you cut pieces off?

cbryan70
02-28-2008, 12:25 AM
The color is fairly light. Im going to give it some sealer and see how it darkens if it doesnt darken up im going to be hitting it with some 60 grit or so and just bring it ALL the way back go down a couple mm's or so

cbryan70
02-28-2008, 12:26 AM
it is really pretty dark but if the sides are going to be light it wil ldrive me nuts

76S&S
02-28-2008, 10:34 AM
after...
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a76/cbryan70/100_1817.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a76/cbryan70/100_1818.jpg

Going to try to get my boat out of storage and start making brackets and take old fiberglass platform off. Will need to take out the gas tank. Any advice when removing the gas tank? Obviously i will have to take off the gas line going to the carb as well as the filler tube. What else should i expect?

I did not have to remove my tank but did have to do the following:

Removed the filler neck and the short piece of hose connecting to the tank.
Disconnected the tank vent.
Removed the screws that secure the tank to the stringers.

I could then slide the tank from one side to the other in order to mount the brackets.

Hope this helps and good luck with your project.

cbryan70
04-06-2008, 05:11 PM
Finnally done!

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a76/cbryan70/my%20teak%20project/100_1990.jpg
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a76/cbryan70/my%20teak%20project/100_1991.jpg
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a76/cbryan70/my%20teak%20project/100_1985.jpg

cbryan70
04-06-2008, 05:12 PM
not bad considering what it looked like before

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a76/cbryan70/100_1752.jpg

ProTour X9
04-06-2008, 05:24 PM
Looks original!!!!!!