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H20skeefreek
01-17-2008, 07:32 PM
I'm thinking of making a MTS system for my '85. Can someone with this system post up some detailed pictures of the system?

BrianM
01-17-2008, 07:36 PM
I'm thinking of making a MTS system for my '85. Can someone with this system post up some detailed pictures of the system?
I have looked into doing this extensively. Bottom line is it is going to cost about $600 to do if you use a soft ballast bag and about $700 with a hard tank. If you want a guage it is going to cost about another $100.

All you need is a ballast puppy pump and switch, a couple of through hull fittings, a ballast bag or tank, brackets (for the hard tank) and some hose and wire to connect it all up. It is a simple install just costs a lot.

We talked about this lots over the past couple of years. This will get you started

http://www.tmcowners.com/teamtalk/showthread.php?t=1428

http://www.tmcowners.com/teamtalk/showthread.php?t=15419

H20skeefreek
01-20-2008, 01:40 AM
Ok, so I've got this thing designed, but I'm having a problem with the electrical switch. I want a 3 way chrome toggle switch. I'm going with a single, reversible pump. What kind of switch do I need? SPDT, DPDT? How do I wire this thing up so that when I throw the switch one way or the other it works right?

Brian, I'm gonna have less than $300 in this. I'm going to use this 26 gal tank (http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/producte/10001/-1/10001/26403/377%20710/0/plastimo/Primary%20Search/mode%20matchallpartial/0/0?N=377%20710&Ne=0&Ntt=plastimo&Ntk=Primary%20Search&Ntx=mode%20matchallpartial&Nao=0&Ns=0&keyword=plastimo&isLTokenURL=true&storeNum=11&subdeptNum=27&classNum=300) If it works I'll get you the info on how to build it, or are you just gonna buy a boat with MTS? Or are you gonna buy the kind that the prop spins the other way and offsets the weight of the driver?

WESSTAR
01-20-2008, 02:11 AM
Do you have the wire diagram? I would think that there should be at leats 3 wires for that pump. Ground, 1 pwr wire for fill and 1 pwr wire for empty. It is also a good idea to put a circuit breaker in between the battery and the switch to protect the pump. Also make sure us use the proper guage wire from the battery to the pump's wires.

sethro
01-20-2008, 09:57 AM
I did a manual version of this back in 99 under the bow of my Echelon with a 25 gallon hard tank. I used quick connect ag sprayer fittings and stowed the fill line up under the gunnel on the observer side. I connect the pump and have a 12v outlet in the glove box for power. I mounted a pvc ball valve by the driver's knee under the dash for the vent and listen for the gurgling sound to know it is full. I used gravity to drain the tank into the bilge, and the boat's bilge pump to pump it out. Really does work slick for a minimal cost.

However, I'm ready to go automatic for a tank in my 85...so let me know how your plan works out H2OSkeefreek. My 85 leans at slalom speed (though not at tricking speed which is opposite of most boats in my experience) with only a driver or different weight driver/observer combo, and I'm not up for glassing or sanding the hull as that will cause problems with the ever important trick wake I'm sure.

H20skeefreek
01-20-2008, 10:42 AM
I don't have the pump yet, it's on order. After reading your post, I realize that it probably does have three wires. I was thinking 2, and I would need to reverse the polarity for reverse, but probably not. I'll keep you updated. I'm going to use the raw water intake for my supply, and pump out through there. Will it pump out of there with the boat in the water? or will I have to drain it after pulling out?

1boarder
01-20-2008, 10:44 AM
look at this link for wiring

http://forums.wakeboarder.com/viewtopic.php?t=7670&highlight=ballast%2Bsystems

get the switch from a mc dealer. they are roughly $20 and have fill and empty on them. Run one set of wires to the pump and make your harness at the switch.

BrianM
01-20-2008, 03:10 PM
Brian, I'm gonna have less than $300 in this. I'm going to use this 26 gal tank (http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/producte/10001/-1/10001/26403/377%20710/0/plastimo/Primary%20Search/mode%20matchallpartial/0/0?N=377%20710&Ne=0&Ntt=plastimo&Ntk=Primary%20Search&Ntx=mode%20matchallpartial&Nao=0&Ns=0&keyword=plastimo&isLTokenURL=true&storeNum=11&subdeptNum=27&classNum=300) If it works I'll get you the info on how to build it, or are you just gonna buy a boat with MTS? Or are you gonna buy the kind that the prop spins the other way and offsets the weight of the driver?

If you get up and running for around $300 I would like to know all of the parts and sources for the parts. What pump are you using? Obviously not a ballast puppy since they are $250 alone.

H20skeefreek
01-20-2008, 03:23 PM
The bag is the one listed above, retails for $135. The pump is a shurflo, that I found for $40. My resources are somewhat different than most, but I suspect that one could be gotten for under $100. Switches and tees are chump change. Let me make sure this is going to work, plumbing wise, and I'll itemize the plumbing parts. I'll maybesee about putting together a pkg deal on a whole kit.

1boarder
01-20-2008, 04:23 PM
You may want to look at a Simer pump BW85 (I think that is correct number). Several people have used this in ballast systems and they are roughly $70 from BE Atlas and they are reversible and pump similar flows to the ballast puppy.

BrianM
01-20-2008, 05:54 PM
Wow! After reading up on the simer BW8512 that lools like the way to go. They are 1/3 the price of the Ballast Puppys. Not ignition protected but as long as it is not mounted in the bilge that isn't an issue.

BrianM
01-20-2008, 05:56 PM
Oh and I would just use a Launch Pad Big Block. 15olbs should be plenty and they are only $50
http://www.wakeside.com/product/boat/ballast/ballast_bags/launch+pad+link+150+lb+big+block+2008.do

east tx skier
01-21-2008, 10:15 AM
Brian, was that on sale yesterday? It says $99 this morning for the 150 lb fat brick.

BrianM
01-21-2008, 11:26 AM
Brian, was that on sale yesterday? It says $99 this morning for the 150 lb fat brick.

Nope I had the link wrong. It is a 150lb Launch Pad Big Block for $49. I fixed the link above.