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wgwollet
10-26-2007, 11:42 AM
I think MC001 has a link on how to make your teak platform look like a piece of furniture.

I had major trouble finding the Starbrite Teak Sealer. So I called Starbrite in Fla and explained what I was doing. He sold me the 32 oz size for $21.00. Its called Starbrite Tropical Teak Sealer in natural or orginal color. BTW: the new "farm raised" teak we see on new MC have the lighter color teak.

I told him about starting with 400, 1000, 1500, 2000, etc grit paper after each sanding process and then do a sealer coat. He told me its a major over-kill. BTW this sealer has teak oil, UV, and other things to make it happen.

My final comment is NEVER USE TEAK OIL, only TEAK SEALER.

B

Muttley
10-26-2007, 12:00 PM
Is that like a gloss coat or more like a stain?

On my last boat, I used Cetol Marine. It gave a nice glossy finish, but as it wore off, whenever you resealed it you could see the difference from where it didn't wear.

Bruce
10-26-2007, 12:01 PM
"And on the rail closing fast it's Harold!)

TMCNo1
10-26-2007, 12:01 PM
I think MC001 has a link on how to make your teak platform look like a piece of furniture.

I had major trouble finding the Starbrite Teak Sealer. So I called Starbrite in Fla and explained what I was doing. He sold me the 32 oz size for $21.00. Its called Starbrite Tropical Teak Sealer in natural or orginal color. BTW: the new "farm raised" teak we see on new MC have the lighter color teak.

I told him about starting with 400, 1000, 1500, 2000, etc grit paper after each sanding process and then do a sealer coat. He told me its a major over-kill. BTW this sealer has teak oil, UV, and other things to make it happen.

My final comment is NEVER USE TEAK OIL, only TEAK SEALER.

B


HE IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, MAJOR OVERKILL AT IT'S FINEST!
He is in the business of manufacturing, marketing, distributing and selling teak maintenance products among other products and making profit from it. Use as much as you can, as fast as you can, they will make more and Happy Teak Maintenance.

KnoxX2
10-26-2007, 12:02 PM
This should get good!

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

3event
10-26-2007, 12:03 PM
Lots of folks use oil
http://www.tmcowners.com/teamtalk/showthread.php?t=16336

I'm hoping to get a few coats in over the winter, but with the thing sitting in my basement it takes a LLOOOOONNNNGGG time to dry. The wife thought I was kidding when I said "Honey, it would dry much faster in our bedroom since it's on the 2nd floor" 8p

Roonie's
10-26-2007, 12:05 PM
This is my platform off of an 07 X2 that I did about a month ago using Premium Gold Starbrite Teak Oil and sanding between coats. Thanks Harold.

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2/Roonies_2006/DSC_0002.jpg

and another

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2/Roonies_2006/DSC_0004.jpg

I would say it looks like furniture!!

TMCNo1
10-26-2007, 12:06 PM
"And on the rail closing fast it's Harold!)


You got that right! You know me better than most!http://www.gottadeal.com/forums/images/smilies/sidesplit.gifhttp://www.gottadeal.com/forums/images/smilies/guitarist.gif

3event
10-26-2007, 12:32 PM
Roonie's, how fine is the sandpaper you used - did you do the whole staged regimen? Mine is not a lost cause, just trying to get it up to par.......

Roonie's
10-26-2007, 12:38 PM
I started with 80. first coat. Then 120. Second coat. Then 220. Third coat. Then 600 fourth coat. Then 600 again and fifth coat.

600 was the highest grain I could find at West Marine in stock. It is smooth when you run your hand over it. The grain sizes also were the only ones they had in stock when I bought the Teak Oil too so that is why I used them. Also HArold recommended the regular Teak Oil in the white bottle but they were out for the summer so I used Premium Teak Oil and it worked well.

Also boat was in the water for a month and when I took it out recently I re-applyed one coat of Teak Oil with a light sanding of 220 before and it looks brand new.

wgwollet
10-26-2007, 12:44 PM
I was told do not use Teak Oil........only Teak Oil Sealer.......and that is what Harold talks about in his process.......that's the key....maybe some people use sealer but call it oil. Do not know why a employee of Starbrite would recommend to me that sanding again and again is a over-kill. He talks about the snad paper laoding up with dust.

Muttly: the sealer has teak oil in it plus other stuff........

wgwollet
10-26-2007, 12:47 PM
WOOOOOOO.........white bottle of teak oil??????

I thought we should use only the can of Teak Oil Sealer that has the UV, stops black mold, teak oil, etc.....Starbrite when asked doesn't have a white bottle anymore of teak oil or sealer.

TMCNo1
10-26-2007, 01:01 PM
I was told do not use Teak Oil........only Teak Oil Sealer.......and that is what Harold talks about in his process.......that's the key....maybe some people use sealer but call it oil. Do not know why a employee of Starbrite would recommend to me that sanding again and again is a over-kill. He talks about the snad paper laoding up with dust.

Muttly: the sealer has teak oil in it plus other stuff........

I always try to refer to it as it is on the bottle, Starbrite Teak Oil, Penetrating Sealer/Preserver as shown below. It is all I have always used, because someone else taught me the process and he made a believer out of me, but that is my choice. What anyone else uses is their choice.

A great many people think teak oil, is teak oil, is teak oil, just like waxes, polishes, motor oils, filters and protectants, but if some would carefully read the labels thoroughly, they will find that the preperation, ingredients and application are different and result in much different results, I'm just saying........................................

Dust will not build up in the sandpaper if you use Wet-or-Dry sandpaper and wet sand after you start the Penetrating Sealer/Preserver application process on the wood and it is thoroughly dry. That is something else I have always stressed in my tutorial and for those who ask on occasion on here, http://www.tmcowners.com/teamtalk/attachment.php?attachmentid=6841&d=1140472173 Unfortunately, whomever wrote up the tutorial @ MC for posting did not insert the complete Starbrite info I gave them.

G-man
10-26-2007, 01:04 PM
The white bottle I like has Malibu Rum in it. Doesn't work great on the platform but keeps the crew happy

Roonie's
10-26-2007, 01:06 PM
This is the product I used. I would have used the white bottle but as I mentioned West Marine was out of it for months. The premium worked great. My concern was that it would get to smooth and therefore slippery but that is not the case. Also it dired in the sun in about one hour. I was able to put a coat of oil on in the morning and then again in the afternoon.

http://www.starbrite.com/productdetail.cfm?ID=1105&ProductCat=Marine&ProductSCat=Teak%20Cleaners%20and%20Protectors&ProductSSCat=Teak%20Oil

Also starbrite's website lists the white bottle still and I know our West Marine has restocked their supply of it so I know it is still available.

http://www.starbrite.com/productdetail.cfm?ID=1051&ProductCat=Marine&ProductSCat=Teak%20Cleaners%20and%20Protectors&ProductSSCat=Teak%20Oil

Both products call it TEAK OIL sealer/preserver

TMCNo1
10-26-2007, 01:22 PM
This is the product I used. I would have used the white bottle but as I mentioned West Marine was out of it for months. The premium worked great. My concern was that it would get to smooth and therefore slippery but that is not the case. Also it dired in the sun in about one hour. I was able to put a coat of oil on in the morning and then again in the afternoon.

http://www.starbrite.com/productdetail.cfm?ID=1105&ProductCat=Marine&ProductSCat=Teak%20Cleaners%20and%20Protectors&ProductSSCat=Teak%20Oil

Also starbrite's website lists the white bottle still and I know our West Marine has restocked their supply of it so I know it is still available.

http://www.starbrite.com/productdetail.cfm?ID=1051&ProductCat=Marine&ProductSCat=Teak%20Cleaners%20and%20Protectors&ProductSSCat=Teak%20Oil

Both products call it TEAK OIL sealer/preserver


The Golden Teak Oil works equally well, but is in a clear bottle, is golden in color and is more expensive, but it is the same oil, as far as I can tell, just marketing. Pour some out of the white bottle into a baby food jar, then some of the golden into a baby food jar, put lids on them, swap them around, you will see they are the same color and smell exactly the same and you won't be able to tell which is which.

Roonie's
10-26-2007, 02:10 PM
The Golden Teak Oil works equally well, but is in a clear bottle, is golden in color and is more expensive, but it is the same oil, as far as I can tell, just marketing. Pour some out of the white bottle into a baby food jar, then some of the golden into a baby food jar, put lids on them, swap them around, you will see they are the same color and smell exactly the same and you won't be able to tell which is which.

I figured as much which was probably why our local West Marine was sold out of the white bottle and had several clear bottles left. If I remember the white bottle was about $21 and the clear bottle about $26.

Roonie's
10-26-2007, 02:17 PM
This must be the product wgwollet used and is talking about. It says it only needs one coat and it is a Teak Oil.

http://www.starbrite.com/productdetail.cfm?ID=1121&ProductCat=Marine&ProductSCat=Teak%20Cleaners%20and%20Protectors&ProductSSCat=Teak%20Oil

or this one slightly different in color

http://www.starbrite.com/productdetail.cfm?ID=1124&ProductCat=Marine&ProductSCat=Teak%20Cleaners%20and%20Protectors&ProductSSCat=Teak%20Oil

I found what the difference is. They use the premium Teak Oil as the base and add more UV and polymers to it. I think I might try it next year maybe.

If your teak is subject to extremely harsh tropical conditions you may want to consider using our special Tropical Teak Oil/Sealer. Tropical Teak Oil/Sealer uses our premium oil as a base but has added polymers and UV protectants to provide much longer protection when subjected to extreme outdoor conditions.

wgwollet
10-26-2007, 03:42 PM
Wow......did i buy the wrong product? Harold

here is mine
http://www.starbrite.com/productdetail.cfm?ID=1121&ProductCat=Marine&ProductSCat=Teak%20Cleaners%20and%20Protectors&ProductSSCat=Teak%20Oil

jwmiller
10-26-2007, 04:48 PM
Just my 2cents worth.
If you take a look at their MSDS sheets it does look like the Teak oil and the Premium Teak oil are the same product. The Tropical Teak Oil/Sealer is a completely different product.

TMCNo1
10-26-2007, 08:38 PM
Wow......did i buy the wrong product? Harold

here is mine
http://www.starbrite.com/productdetail.cfm?ID=1121&ProductCat=Marine&ProductSCat=Teak%20Cleaners%20and%20Protectors&ProductSSCat=Teak%20Oil


That's something I can't answer, as I have never tried it, since I still have 1/3 of a quart of the white bottle left after 12+ years. I really didn't know the Tropical existed till I saw it shown on here some time back.

It's now time for you to educate us on how it does or doesn't work for you. It may revolutionize the whole teak refurbishing/maintenance world. Just keep us informed.

Roonie's
10-26-2007, 09:28 PM
I am a little skeptical of the one coat application it claims. That seems more like an actual varnish or something. Let us know how it holds up and looks. Post pics if you have them.

TMCNo1
10-26-2007, 10:10 PM
I am a little skeptical of the one coat application it claims. That seems more like an actual varnish or something. Let us know how it holds up and looks. Post pics if you have them.

That's right, http://www.gottadeal.com/forums/images/smilies/new/gdphotog.gif

Hrkdrivr
10-27-2007, 12:43 AM
Stupid new guy question....

Do you guys do all the sanding and prep work on the bottoms of the platforms too? If so, it seems like it would be a good idea to remove the metal mounting brackets so you can prep/seal the wood where the metal covers it...

Hrkdrivr
10-27-2007, 12:43 AM
Double post...sorry

TMCNo1
10-27-2007, 07:17 AM
Stupid new guy question....

Do you guys do all the sanding and prep work on the bottoms of the platforms too? If so, it seems like it would be a good idea to remove the metal mounting brackets so you can prep/seal the wood where the metal covers it...

I just keep a good seal coat underneath. I remove my platform from the brackets on the boat and work on it w/o the brackets attached.

ggroller
10-27-2007, 08:11 AM
I did the whole sand with 100 grit, seal, sand with 200 grit, seal, sand with 300 grit, seal, etc. last winter.

The platform was slippery during use this summer and the finish really took a beating from skis.

I'm not sure what I'm going to do this winter?

Roonie's
10-27-2007, 09:44 AM
I put two coats on the bottom of the platform with brackets on but I am lazy.

I honestly thought it would be slippery too but with five coats of teak oil on it isn't no matter what we do on it. I have little kids so I was concerned but they never had a problem with slipping ever. I got a couple of lines in it from fins on skis or wakeboards but they came out pretty quickly when I hit it with 220.

Did you use teak oil? I could see if you varnished it or something it would be slippery.

TMCNo1
10-27-2007, 09:48 AM
At CSM last Spring, on Friday, as many as 100 people walked across my platform and no one slipped or fell, but then there was trickskier's varnished platform that created havoc, just ask Chris Wingo from MasterCraft among others.

vision
10-27-2007, 04:36 PM
I used the Tropical teak Oil in the can by Star Brite last year as the local marine shop was out of the trusty White Botle sealer/oil. In my hands, the tropical in a can is definitely not the same. It gave a uniform orange stain appearance to the teak and the platform lost its more natural color variations. Protected well, but did not look as good and did not sem to penetrate as well. Almost a varnish like finish. I will only use the white bottle from now on.

Bruce
10-27-2007, 06:22 PM
Just paint it and be done with it. DOWN HAROLD . DOWN BOY Call 911 Harold is not breathing!

TMCNo1
10-27-2007, 08:45 PM
Just paint it and be done with it. DOWN HAROLD . DOWN BOY Call 911 Harold is not breathing!
:uglyhamme You could just cover it with Butcherblock Formica!http://www.gottadeal.com/forums/images/smilies/eek.gif http://www.gottadeal.com/forums/images/smilies/stir.gif

Bruce
10-27-2007, 09:36 PM
:uglyhamme You could just cover it with Butcherblock Formica!http://www.gottadeal.com/forums/images/smilies/eek.gif http://www.gottadeal.com/forums/images/smilies/stir.gif

I knew you would have a great idea! Now if we can just get MC to come up with some cool shag carpet!

TMCNo1
10-27-2007, 09:46 PM
I knew you would have a great idea! Now if we can just get MC to come up with some cool shag carpet!


How does a red Corian platform sound for my boat?:rolleyes: :D http://www.gottadeal.com/forums/images/smilies/secret.gif

brat
10-27-2007, 11:12 PM
Corian is ok, but go ahead and splurge for Granite!

stuartmcnair
11-05-2007, 01:17 PM
why not just cover it with that textured paint to keep people from slipping on it..comes in lots of colors to match the boat...

G-man
11-05-2007, 01:34 PM
Granite is just ballast in disguise

Rockman
11-05-2007, 02:04 PM
Are you guys sanding manually (by hand) or using an electric sander / buffer?

If by the latter, what type of sander is good vs. best?

O2BESOHUGE
11-05-2007, 03:22 PM
Are You Guys Puttin Some Sort Of Poly-eurathane Sp? On It?

TMCNo1
11-05-2007, 04:16 PM
It is apparent that you have not read any of the previous 38 posts in this thread. What we have been using is discussed in it, along with preperation, sanding, application, drying and the horse is still dead after all this beating.

Sodar
11-05-2007, 04:23 PM
It is apparent that you have not read any of the previous 38 posts in this thread. What we have been using is discussed in it, along with preperation, sanding, application, drying and the horse is still dead after all this beating.

So what you are say, is the Fiberglass is much better than teak.... right? ;)

O2BESOHUGE
11-05-2007, 04:28 PM
The Reason I Ask Is The Type Of Teak Oil I Had When I Did Mine...didnt Leave A Hard Shiny Finish. It Was A Soak And Wipe Off Type Of Product

Sorry About The Horse...:d

alletric
11-05-2007, 05:51 PM
It is apparent that you have not read any of the previous 38 posts in this thread. What we have been using is discussed in it, along with preperation, sanding, application, drying and the horse is still dead after all this beating.
It's O.K. Just admit that you are sick and tired of talking about that piece of wood on the back of the boat. There haven't been this many words spoken about wood and a boat since the Arc. With that I got a 5th coat to go put on a said piece of wood.

TMCNo1
11-05-2007, 06:32 PM
So what you are say, is the Fiberglass is much better than teak.... right? ;)

I wish every one was fiberglass and no teak was used, then we would be discussing what kind of wax to use to make it shiney, purdy, what kind of buffer, sandpaper, polish.......................................Wait, we've discussed that too, just a different horse in a different grave! :D Why doesn't someone start a thread about wax?http://www.gottadeal.com/forums/images/smilies/sidesplit.gif

Rockman
11-05-2007, 06:36 PM
It is apparent that you have not read any of the previous 38 posts in this thread. What we have been using is discussed in it, along with preperation, sanding, application, drying and the horse is still dead after all this beating.

It would be nice if you directed your response to someone. Not sure if you were talking to me or the person who posted after me.

If you were talking to me, then my question was not answered. If it was for the person posting after me, then please direct that way.

Take it easy Harold, it's only Monday! :D

cbryan70
11-05-2007, 09:44 PM
The teak im refinishing should arrive on wednesday! im sure i will have alot of questions for everyone on here especially harold! ;-)

TMCNo1
11-05-2007, 10:37 PM
Are you guys sanding manually (by hand) or using an electric sander / buffer?

If by the latter, what type of sander is good vs. best?


Sorry, I was responding to the previous poster in the other post and I missed your question.
In my case, I just hand block sanded the new raw teak with 400 and then 600 dry then wet, dry then wet to get off the fuzz then after the teak oil was added and dry. I only wet sanded after 2 coats were applied and progressively got finer with the sandpaper after each set of teak oil applications.
If aged teak is being worked on, a machine, rotary, jittergug, belt, etc. may be required (to make the job easier) to get the cleaned and brightened worn teak down smooth like new and the rough grain removed.

JohnE
11-06-2007, 07:27 AM
At CSM last Spring, on Friday, as many as 100 people walked across my platform and no one slipped or fell, but then there was trickskier's varnished platform that created havoc, just ask Chris Wingo from MasterCraft among others.

Yeah, but if Trickskier used your method, we all would have missed out on a big laugh!:D

Seriously, though, I used Harolds method with great results. I did find out the hard way though that if you spill binding lube on the teak it WILL BE SLIPPERY.:mad: