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Lennyp04
10-21-2007, 09:04 PM
Hello everyone,

Today I am sad to learn that my grandfather (pop pop) is in the hospital with congestive heart faliure. Me being a 16 year old kid hear heart faliure and a tear comes to my eye. My pop pop means the world to me and has been there ever since Ive been a little kid. Can anyone on here tell me a waterdown version of what it is and if its treatable. He was just admitted to the hospital today I believe and my mom wouldnt let me go and see him. I did talk to him on the phone and he told me that they have him on oxygen and that they are giving him antibiotics or will be. He told me that they havent started the drip on the Intrevenous. So if anybody knows anyhting about this subject please feel free to let me know.

Really Appreciate it.
Lenny

T Scott
10-21-2007, 09:40 PM
Lenny,
I am no expert on congestive heart failure, but wanted to let you know I have said a little prayer for your grandfather. I hope he get's better soon.

Tom

TMCNo1
10-21-2007, 09:45 PM
We are praying for your grandfather.

You can read about it here from the American Heart Association, http://www.americanheart.org/presenter.jhtml?identifier=4585

Just Google, "Congestive Heart Failure" and it's all there.

Monte
10-21-2007, 09:56 PM
Leah on as Monte.....

Again here as the unofficial TT RN....CHF is a condition in which the heart loses it's ability to pump adequately...fluid build up is a major side effect of this condition as it can build up in the lungs as well as the rest of the body. I'm no cardiac nurse but I do know that CHF is manageable with medications and lifestyle changes. Acute/sudden onsets of CHF can be dangerous but also treatable. I suggest going to web MD for specifics. You and your family are in my prayers.....

bigmac
10-21-2007, 09:56 PM
Congestive heart failure is a condition where the heart lacks the ability to pump all of the blood that's presented to it as it pumps blood around the circuit. As a result, the blood backs up on the venous side. It can manifest itself as leg swelling, or as fluid in the lungs. It's usually very treatable, but that depends on why it occurred. IOW, congestive heart failure is more of a symptom rather than a disease process itself. The question will be if the strength of the heart's contraction has decreased, or if one or more of the valves aren't working properly, or if he's had too much fluid or salt intake.

Don't worry Lenny. Your grandfather's doctors will be working to get rid of that extra fluid from his lungs and give him medicines to increase the strength of the heart's contraction so it can pump better. They'll be looking at his heart muscle and valve function (echocardiogram). There are lots of tools to treat CHF, and it's not an uncommon occurence in your grandfather's age group.

Roonie's
10-21-2007, 10:02 PM
http://www.hfsa.org/heart_failure_facts.asp
Above is the Heart failure Societie's web site. There is some quick info as well as links to other sites.

Your grandfathers recovery all depends on how far along in his heart failure he is, there are different stages. If your grandfather aligns with a good Cardiology group where he can see a heart failure specialist and potentially electophysiologist he can be managed on meds. IF after 3 months his EF (ejection Fraction) is not above 35% he should be considered for a CRT-D device, which along with meds can help the pumping of his heart. This many times can help his quality of life as well as prolong it. The biggest thing for your grandfathr is getting a good team of physicians. He will feel worse before he feels better, so he needs cheerleaders to help him through the rough parts...that can be your best role!

Good Luck!

Lennyp04
10-21-2007, 10:03 PM
Right now as I read this I'm getting another tear in my eye. Not because hes in the hospital but because of the support that you guys are giving me. It is so much appreciated and I know that if I told my grandfather that all of you are praying for him he wouldnt know what to do. Thank you so much for all of your prayers and thoughts.

On a side note. I was reading about the legs in one of your responses. My grandfather as had several blood clots in both legs due to diabeties. Right around the time I was born in 1991, my grandfather was in the hospital for the most serious of his blood clots to date. Ive heard that my dad said that if Pop pop makes it through this he will make it through anything. Hopefully that can be the case here.


Again I know that I thank you so much for your prayers and as my mom and dad are laying in there room I think my mom is crying a little so I know that she appreciates them too. You guys have know idea how much this means to me.

Thank You,
Lenny

wakolman
10-21-2007, 10:03 PM
My Grams has congestive heart failure. I believe it is when the heart is too weak to pump enough blood. She wasn't doing too well in Dec. (spent X-mas in the hospital) and has been in a nursing home since then. Lately she has been doing sooooo much better, that I think she is leaving the nursing home by month's end. Not helping the problem was/is all the drugs that she chooses to take which are prescribed to her. Anxiety, depression, water pill, high blood pressure, in all about 20 different drugs each day. Adjustments to her prescriptions have conincidentally helped. She is 84 and was told that she must have suffered a heart attack some years ago unbeknownst to her.

With much rehab and a different Dr. to look at her charts, she has fought back. So, hopefully you will hear some good news soon and will have your pop pop back with many years of quality life ahead of all.

bigmac
10-21-2007, 10:13 PM
Again, the important aspect is why your grandfather went into congestive heart failure . The CHF has to be treated as a short term measure, but the definitive treatment will depend on the reason it occurred. It's not a disease entity in and of itself. The underlying cause has to be diagnosed and treated.

Mikey
10-21-2007, 10:24 PM
I will be praying for your grandfathers recovery. You should also post this in the general prayer request thread.

It is amazing to see a large group of people on the internet, many whom have never met, comfort one another in a time of need.

tex
10-21-2007, 10:38 PM
Lenny,

We went through this with my father in law. He managed it and was able to live and live nice. He researched it and was able to go snow skiing every year. At least he knows where he stands and can work on how to manage it. My thoughts are with you and your family!

Tennesseeski
10-21-2007, 11:28 PM
++++++++POSITIVE VIBES+++++++++ from Tennessee to your family!!!!

Leroy
10-22-2007, 01:39 AM
Lenny;

From a 16 year old what a great thread. If your pop pop knows of this I'm sure it will bring a tear to his eye.

My wife was a cardiac cath nurse for 13 years, pm me if you want to talk with her. She is good at answering questions and arming you with questions to ask.

Sounds like he is in excellent care now. He is in my prayers now.

Leroy

sand2snow22
10-22-2007, 03:52 AM
My Grandma has had the same heart failure. Once she got the fluid retention under control she has been golden for many years. We have to weigh her everyday to make sure things are under control. Your pop pop should be OK.....

JoshBuzz
10-22-2007, 04:05 AM
Prayer's are with you and yours Lenny, I'll put this up on the General Prayer Request thread.

My grandpa went through the same thing three years ago when I was fifteen, and through a few lifestyle adjustments (stopped smoking, and eating better), is doing fine now.

If anything, use this to get closer to your family, and learn from it. My mom went through breast cancer and all that comes with that this year, and we are closer than ever!! The Lord really does throw these things into our lives for a reason, even if it doesn't seem like it!!

Lennyp04
10-22-2007, 07:27 AM
Thanks again too all for your support. It makes me feel alot better that its not only my family praying for him but now a bunch of you guys. He sounded in good spirits last night and I told him i'd call him today. Hopefully I'll be able to go down tommroow afternoon before marching band and see him. After he gets out of the hospital, I think I'm gonna show him this thread and see what he says.

Thanks again for all of your prayers and support, I know my family appreciates it as do I!

trickskier
10-22-2007, 08:46 AM
Lenny, I am extremely sadden to hear about your grandfather. Our family will keep him in our thoughts and prayers...............Godspeed.

dog paw
10-22-2007, 12:40 PM
Lenny, I am extremely sadden to hear about your grandfather. Our family will keep him in our thoughts and prayers...............Godspeed.


Same goes for me bro! Like Mac said find out the reason and stay on top of it!! This got the best of my father a few years back. If he had taken better care of himself it would have ended different. Hope all goes well.

JohnE
10-22-2007, 01:03 PM
Lenny sorry to hear about your grandfather. I wish him well, and am sorry that you have to endure this.

87MCProstar
10-22-2007, 02:29 PM
lenny, sorry to hear about your grandfather...my dad just recently had a heart attack so i am aware of the feelings you have...one good thing is that medicine has come a long way and as long as your pop pop with change some of his lifestyle ways he should be okay...i'll keep him in my thoughts.
tim

Lennyp04
10-22-2007, 07:04 PM
Well I got onto the bus to head home from school today that was around 3:00. I got on the bus sat down and called him. He sounded so much better today then he did last night. I told him that he sounded much better from last night and he told me that he felt alot better today and that he went around the hospital floor for a walk. That was very encouraging to hear.

So thank you so much for all your prayers and thoughts. They mean so much at a time like this.

I would also like to send my sorrow for those of you that have had similar circumstances and lost loved ones and had to go thru the agony of losing them.

I will keep all of you posted on his condition.

Bruce
10-22-2007, 07:17 PM
Lenny,
you are wise and compassionate beyond your years. As a grandfather I can tell you your "pop pop" is very proud of you. I know I am. You also are right about the prayers. They do mean a lot. (I know. My wife has been battling cancer since Dec. Prayer gives us the hope we need.) I certainly will be praying for you and all your family.

JoshBuzz
10-22-2007, 07:24 PM
prayers go out to you and your wife as well Bruce, mom battled breast cancer last year, it was a hard fight, but we came out much stronger as a family!!

Jerseydave
10-22-2007, 07:36 PM
Lenny,

I'm sorry to hear about your grandfather, please keep us up to date with his progress. He's lucky to have such a caring grandson like you.

Visit him the first chance you get and visit often. I bet It'll make him feel alot better just seeing you.

TMCNo1
10-22-2007, 08:50 PM
Lenny04 please keep us updated!

Lennyp04
10-23-2007, 07:41 AM
Bruce im very sorry to hear about your wife. My aunt had breast cancer about last year sometime i think and she battled and came through. But again your prayers and thought mean so much so thank you, I can't say it enough and I will most deffinetly keep you updated on his progress and condition.

Lennyp04
10-24-2007, 07:32 AM
Well I have some better news.

Yesterday my Pop Pop had his echocardiograhm and my mom said that he has lost about 20 pounds, just fluids. So hopefully he will be out of the hospital by Monday. Thats just what I want. But still I havent been able to go and see him due to school and Marching band. I might go tonight but probobly tommroow because we have early dismissal from school.

I let my mom read this thread yesterday afternoon and she told me thats very sweet of you Lenny and she was getting teary eyed. She also told me to tell all of you thank you for your thoughts and prayers.

TMCNo1
10-24-2007, 07:37 AM
Good to hear there is some progress.

Lennyp04
10-24-2007, 10:07 PM
I got to talk to him today and he said that they have to make some choices. So one of his choices to eat better, i think another option is to get blood flow in some places better. The echocardiograhm came back and the technician and the doctor had conflicting opinions. The technicain said everything looked good, while the doctor had some other opinions which my pop pop didnt say. So tommroow I get out of school at 12:45 so I will be heading down to see him. Ill tell him you guys are pullin for him...thanks again.

Lenny

TMCNo1
10-24-2007, 10:13 PM
The important thing now is he is stable and things are going forward at this point. Tell him we are all thinking of and praying for him.

Lennyp04
10-24-2007, 10:18 PM
Will do Harold thanks so much for your support all. I believe what they are talking about with getting the blood flowing better is that he has bad ciruclation in his legs due to blood clots due to diabites. So hopefully I will be able to spend some good time with him tommrrow and get him to smile again. But I think hes doing that everytime he thinks about all the people he has on his side.
Thanks so much!

east tx skier
10-25-2007, 11:20 AM
Hang in there, Lenny. We're thinking about all of you in Texas.

Lennyp04
10-25-2007, 05:17 PM
Well I just got back from the hospital about an hour ago and am very happy to be writing this. Tommrrow my pop pop will be going home from the hospital around lunch time. Your guys prayers and thoughts really meant so much to our family at this time. He was very happy to see me when I went in today and he looked very good. You can tell when hes feeling well because he jokes with the nurses. Well today he did plenty of that. He was like ma'am may I have one of those Sacred Heart Hospital bags. So she says what for and he goes so I can remeber you. He also told me he got the gold star for best patient.

I also had the opportunity to talk to one of his nurses. I guess the one night my Baba (grandmother) and my Pop Pop were talking to her and she say mine and my brother Andrew's picture on the night stand. Well from what I hear they talked about me and my brother for sometime. So I got to meet the nurse today and she said from what it sounds like your grandparents are both very proud of you and your brother and she told me that my Pop Pop would be coming home tommrrow. She then proceeded to say that she didnt want him to leave and I said yeah I'm ready for him to come home. Sorry he can't stay. But Once again I can't thank you enough for your thoughts and prayers. I think I will have him sign on to team talk under my name and let him thank you personally. Once he gets situated at home that is.

Lenny

Bruce
10-25-2007, 05:25 PM
Lenny
Great news! TO GOD BE THE GLORY!

Bruce

Prostar in Michigain
10-25-2007, 05:53 PM
Great to hear lenny my grandpa who owns our lake house entered the hospital on wensday due to his blood not cirrculating to his heart the right way. Hope he comes out just like your grandpa did

TMCNo1
10-25-2007, 09:45 PM
Great news and take good care of him when he gets home. We'll keep this place under control and if you need us just hollar, keep us informed of his progress and we look forward to hearing from him when he is able.

TMCNo1
10-25-2007, 09:46 PM
Great to hear lenny my grandpa who owns our lake house entered the hospital on wensday due to his blood not cirrculating to his heart the right way. Hope he comes out just like your grandpa did

We're praying for yor grandfather too!

Lennyp04
10-26-2007, 05:14 PM
Prostar, sorry to hear about your grandfather. I pray for him and will give you the same support you gave me thru these tough times.

My grandfather was released from the hospital today. I think its gonna be a long road because he said that his kidneys aren't functioning up to par or as good as they should be. That can all be fixed with Medication. But he is going to be 80 on November 20th 2007 so im sure I could get over to his house and show him a birthday thread...hint hint. Jk but thanks all for your support and prayers it meant alot.

thijs
10-27-2007, 12:01 AM
My grandfather was released from the hospital today. I think its gonna be a long road because he said that his kidneys aren't functioning up to par or as good as they should be. That can all be fixed with Medication.

Hi Lenny, also from my wife and I, prayers are with you. I was curious about your pop pop's kidneys. Diabetes can be very hard on them like they have been on the vessels in his legs. I do a lot of work around people who fit into your grand dad's stiuation and I want to reassure you that there are a lot of treatments and medications for the problems that are going on inside your grandfathers body.

But I do want to remind you about some of the best medicines I have seen out there, Love and God. Your Pop pop is a very lucky man to have lovign family. There are a tonne of people without that kind of support.

Lennyp04
10-27-2007, 12:23 PM
Thank you thijscogelzang for your prayers and thought. My Pop Pop is a very spiritual man and does go to church. I know the Lord is on his side. He has had a very rough road especially in 1991 when he almost lost his leg and spent I believe about a month in the hospital for the first of many blood clots in his legs. He really is a trooper and he means everything to me.

Your very right about the medications. He is on quite a few right now. But he means the world to all of us and your prayers and thoughts mean so much. Please tell your wife thank you and I thank you as well.

Mikey
11-19-2007, 06:03 PM
Lenny, how is your grandpa doing these days? Good I hope.

BTW, Tell him I said happy 80th birthday. I just read a few posts up and realized it was today.

Lennyp04
11-19-2007, 06:12 PM
Hes doing much better. Still taking all of his meds.

Thank you for you consideration.

Also one day off with the birthday but I will deffinetly tell him tommrrow that you said happy birthday!!

Mikey
11-19-2007, 06:20 PM
Also one day off with the birthday but I will deffinetly tell him tommrrow that you said happy birthday!!

Oops, I forgot the U.S. is one day behind where I am at. Its the 20th here.:o

Lennyp04
11-19-2007, 06:22 PM
Hows the 20th going for you.

But seriously thank you very much for remebering. You have all that other stuff to remeber over there and you were able to remeber this. That really means alot.

Thank you very much Mikey!

Mikey
11-19-2007, 06:33 PM
Just another long boring day of work.:(

Lennyp04
11-19-2007, 06:36 PM
What time is it over there?