Group Buys

[TMC]

Team Talk is designed to be a communication portal for our customers to discuss/promote MasterCraft boats and topics. It is not intended to be a site to “sell” or offer group discounts on products that are non-MasterCraft products. If you want to sell or promote non-MasterCraft products please do not use Team Talk as your means of communication. We are not trying to be rude or act as “big brother” There are just certain vendor/dealer issues that can arise when MasterCraft allows group buy threads to be posted on our MasterCraft supported discussion board. I do appreciate your cooperation and understanding. Thanks for your support of MasterCraft Boats,Team MasterCraft, and Team Talk!! Hope that everyone is getting ready for the season!

[Mag_Red]

well.......... ok then! While you're here, could you tell someone we all would like some Logo beach towels in the MC store. ( in colors to match our hulls would be nice)

[TMC]

Mag we are working on it. I am trying to help everyone out!

[MasterMason]

TMC.

First off, this is your site, and I am sure that your request will be complied with. My question is could you explain a little more why and how this is a bad thing for MC?

For exmple the Perfect Pass buy was done through a MC dealer with a PP licence to sell. PP is a product you sell on your production boats, either as an option or standard equipment. How come it is a problem for us to use the board for others that don't have that set up to get it?

thanks

[Mag_Red]

They are products designed to help all the Mastercraft owners further enjoy their boats.........where do you suggest we go for these conversations????

[east tx skier]

Hi TMC, so we don't run afoul of this policy in the future, could you please clarify what qualifies as a MC product? For example, i could order a Perfect Pass system for my boat from a MasterCraft dealer, but it is not manufactured by MasterCraft. Or are you requesting that no group buys be undertaken. Or, is it that group buys are fine, but must be made through a MC dealer. I'm not trying to be difficult, I just wanted to be clear on what the guidelines are. Thanks.

[east tx skier]

MasterMason, what do they say about great minds?

[Mag_Red]

Mag we are working on it. I am trying to help everyone out! :banana: Well now we are getting somewhere. I'll take mine in YELLOW!

[east tx skier]

They are products designed to help all the Mastercraft owners further enjoy their boats.........where do you suggest we go for these conversations????

I'd say Brad's email list, but I don't think what he's forwarding is a MC-branded product. At least I don't think that's what that tattoo said. ;)

The answer, of course, is that this is a MC Corporate run board, which is a distinguishing characteristic between it and the other well-populated boards of the other large inboard companies. The other boards are user sponsored. Thus, they can do the group buys and are populated by owners of other than just the name on the web address (can you tell I'm being vague). They will happily let you participate in their group buys. They will also tell you how great their boats are and encourage you to buy them. It's a side-effect of having to go elsewhere for something you want, but it does not diminish the validity of the reason MC doesn't want us doing things on this board that runs afoul with its contracts with its dealers.

Sure, in the end, it'd probably be better for them if we stayed on this board and didn't venture out for the group buys, but that's the way it goes.

[tex]

is this gonna turn into a swimsuit thread fight? if so, please post some pics first!

[east tx skier]

Now that's funny. In sincerely doubt that it's the Perfect Pass deal that ruffled feathers, but I could be wrong.

It's just not worth arguing about. MC is nice enough to maintain this board. If my local MC dealer would bother to return my phone calls, .... Aw forget it. I just want some clarification of the rules so I don't break them and get booted before I spew over 5,000 posts and reach addict status.

[AirJunky]

Didn't someone here tell us there was a problem on the MBO site on the Monster tower group buy where people would see the thread months or years later & want in..... even though the purchase deadline had long since passed?

Seems like that could be a problem for TT or MC.

[MarkP]

Hi TMC

If I don’t win the Grand Prize over at the Overtons Super Summer Sweepstakes, I was hoping I could put together a group buy on the ProStar 197
All kidding aside. Thats not out of line??

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I'm sure it is not TMC that decided not let us do group buys anymore. I can see some small dealer in poe dunk nowheresville getting upset because someone can into his dealership and flanuted the deal he got through this board, then said dealer made a call to Mastercraft and screamed and yelled enough to get some attention. The next day some member of management called TMC into his/her office and asked him to settle the board down. Ok maybe this is not the way it went, but maybe.

As most of you, I really enjoy this board and have learned alot from it. The group buys have been nice for some people, however I do not think the group buys have keep us coming back to see what new on the board.

Just my opinion. Please do not beat me.

[east tx skier]

Mark, is that like a time share? Are we talking 20 of us buying a 197? I'm in if we can keep it at my house. :D

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PS - Lets blame it on Doug. Its not his fault but it is fun to assume.

:uglyhamme

[MarkP]

PS - Lets blame it on Doug. Its not his fault but it is fun to assume.

:uglyhammeAh, Ok....... Doug:rant:

[east tx skier]

I'm sure it is not TMC that decided not let us do group buys anymore. I can see some small dealer in poe dunk nowheresville getting upset because someone can into his dealership and flanuted the deal he got through this board, then said dealer made a call to Mastercraft and screamed and yelled enough to get some attention. The next day some member of management called TMC into his/her office and asked him to settle the board down. Ok maybe this is not the way it went, but maybe.

I don't necessarily think it was a small dealer. I also don't think it had to do with something you could buy at a MC dealer. This is not the first time in memory that someone has complained to MC that we were talking about non-MC products on the board.

[east tx skier]

PS - Lets blame it on Doug. Its not his fault but it is fun to assume.

:uglyhamme

Read my post above. We certainly don't need the Hardy Boys to figure this one out. Yes, it's more fun to blame me, but the truth is out there. :eek:

[MarkP]

Read my post above. We certainly don't need the Hardy Boys to figure this one out. Yes, it's more fun to blame me, but the truth is out there.Ah, Ok....... Doug:rant:

[east tx skier]

Me censor self. Better.

[ski_king]

I guess this kills the idea I had about starting a group buy on new Malibu’s.

JUST KIDDING!!!!!!!

We are all hardcore MasterCraft owners and are here for reason’s other than group buys. We even have a defector or 2 on here that went over to the dark side, but keep coming back here.

I can understand MasterCraft’s position on this.

If we want to participate in group buys, we will have to go underground.

[Ric]

I guess this kills the idea I had about starting a group buy on new Malibu’s.

JUST KIDDING!!!!!!!

We are all hardcore MasterCraft owners and are here for reason’s other than group buys. We even have a defector or 2 on here that went over to the dark side, but keep coming back here.

I can understand MasterCraft’s position on this.

If we want to participate in group buys, we will have to go underground.
you hear that hayseeds? !!!!!! We're now using code words!
(refer to Tex's avatar)

[east tx skier]

Ooooooh, you said the m-word!!!!!!!! (no, the other m-word). :D Anybody think this may have had to do with something that rhymes with "smack me."

/no that's not a request.
//I've really mellowed in my old age. The last time this happened over a mere picture of brand x, it was far more of a buzzkill.

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I agree......would said dealer please stand up!

[MarkP]

I do get a kick out of this all

[east tx skier]

By the way, on future group buys, please email me. Brad's got my email (thank goodness).

[MarkP]

Ooooooh, you said the m-word!!!!!!!! (no, the other m-word). :D Anybody think this may have had to do with something that rhymes with "smack me." Come on.. Spell it out :confused:

[east tx skier]

I just got through a trip down memory lane. It's great, everybody throws his $.02 in and before you know it, somebody rips on Andre's English and Mark complains that the "popcorn" smilie isn't working. Brian used the word "commie" and called Andre "Blue." Good times. Bad vibes.

[bradamerry]

By the way, on future group buys, please email me. Brad's got my email (thank goodness).
My signature says it all. Just send it to the Wildman and I will get the word out ;) ! And if you are not on the List, email me at bradamerry@aol.com. April I have you covered.

[MarkP]

I just got through a trip down memory lane. It's great, everybody throws his $.02 in and before you know it, somebody rips on Andre's English and Mark complains that the "popcorn" smilie isn't working. Good times. Bad vibes.

Tales of Tattling (http://www.tmcowners.com/teamtalk/showthread.php?t=30&page=1&pp=30)

ey, I was just over on that thread too. Not done yet just came out to see what was going on.

[east tx skier]

My signature says it all. Just send it to the Wildman and I will get the word out ;) ! And if you are not on the List, email me at bradamerry@aol.com. April I have you covered.

My signature sort of says it all, too.

[east tx skier]

Has anyone else noticed the "thread tools." Are these new? Either way, thanks for the new bells and whistles, TTAdmin.

[aprgriggs]

didn't know the group buy was going to be such a big deal...sorry

[bradamerry]

Doug, I second that on your local MC dealer :mad: . I called them a bunch when I started looking a used boat. Never returned my calls :confused: ! Almost bought a SN from Tyler. Good thing Gus Campbell is a MC dealer or when I get ready for a new boat, I might would go to the DARK SIDE :rolleyes: !!!! Gus Campbell acts like I bought my 87' from him, for $50,000.00!!! Great guy and dealer.

[André]

sory, kent tiipe ,steil chaiking... :mad:

[bradamerry]

didn't know the group buy was going to be such a big deal...sorry
Not your fault April. Don't worry about it. Heck it is nobodies fault here ;) !

[east tx skier]

I don't think you courageous group buy people necessarily need to apologize. [As for the rest of what I said, to quote Brad, I'm not always right, but I've never been wrong.]

[bradamerry]

Sorry Farmer ( I have shampoo ). But maybe MC can tell us about the 98' and the test drive now. Many folks have emailed MC and asked, but have gotten no response????

[east tx skier]

Brad, as the only person on here who could conceivably, literally be forced to use the shampoo, what are you doing? :D That said, if you get an answer here, I'll lather it for you.

/doesn't expect to pop the top on that shampoo.

[André]

Sometimes i wonder if THEY'RE just over our shoulders,right there,watching everything we say,smiling over that constant owners feedback that will tell them much more than any customers survey will ever provide.
Feel like a guinea pig.

[bradamerry]

Brad, as the only person on here who could conceivably, literally be forced to use the shampoo, what are you doing? :D
Why can we not get an answer :confused: ???

[bradamerry]

Sometimes i wonder if THEY'RE just over our shoulders,right there,watching everything we say,smiling over that constant owners feedback that will tell them much more than any customers survey will ever provide.
Feel like a guinea pig.
I agree Andre'!!!!

[east tx skier]

Okay, so my wild theories were wrong. That's why pencils have erasers.

[east tx skier]

Sometimes i wonder if THEY'RE just over our shoulders,right there,watching everything we say,smiling over that constant owners feedback that will tell them much more than any customers survey will ever provide.
Feel like a guinea pig.

And then the phone rings, and the person on the line says :cry: :cry: :rant: :rant: , and they have to stop gaining useful owner feedback and deal with that person, so they look away, and all the useful stuff we were saying degenerates to what we have here, which doesn't help THEM a bit.

[MasterMason]

Just my opinion. Just my theory. But in the mind of at least one person out there with corporate's phone number. This board should be little more than us dancing around the MasterCraft singing kumbaya (sp). In that person's mind, much more than the acknowledgement of the existance of other boat dealers should not be permitted because it affects sales. That MC corporate would come out and say something they apparently could not even say in an email here would cause said person's panties to be twisted so tightly that he'd spin. I could be wrong. Who knows, it could be just a rumor. But I don't think you're going to see it on this thread, much less this board. Just a guy with a thought on the subject here.


the funny part about that, is most of the folks that inhabit this board have aready purchased a MC and would do so again without hesitation, lots have had mutiple MC's I think that your 'hypothetical" dealer is worried about the wrong folks.

[MasterMason]

Well, I am off to my local MC dealer to buy a prop puller.... :D

[André]

Yes but their market share are going DONW DOWN...

[Leroy]

Always talking about shampoo and Farmer? I'm always lost, except for group buys, and it's pretty clear what happened.

Group buys outside this board, not a big deal. There are many ways to do it that way. We've had two very successful group buys sure there will be more outside this board.

And Andre, I'm sure they are not reading everything on here, heaven help that poor sole if he is, unless one of us is getting paid to report back! I would guess this came from a supplier that complained to MC and then they checked.

[BrianM]

I don't think you courageous group buy people necessarily need to apologize. I do, however, think that the dealer who complained ought to just tell us how he feels in lieu of running to the teacher. MC corporate has more important things to do, like build ski boats. This group has often self-regulated when asked politely. If you read over the old post, the "vague" explanation was intentional.

In the end, its in MC's interest to have this site up and to have us chat here. Nobody questions whether they have the right to regulate what we say. Of course they do. Whether it's in their interest to do so is a subject I would debate.

I for one am not going to appoligize to Mastercraft or anyone else on this board about the extremely successful group buy that I put together. I did it as a service to all of us loyal MC owners that want to improve the enjoyment of their boats. Yeah we saved a wad of cash on a superior product to what is offered by MC or their dealers. I guess the only thing I am sorry about is that a dealer got their panties in a wad because they were not able to participate and they lost a sale or two. No it probably wasn't my group buy that they were bent about but then again maybe it was.

Yep, we are overseen by big brother. MC developed and paid for this board and they have the right to regulate it as they wish. I cannot believe however that they choose to regulate this. The stronger this group is and the more we help each other out and become a community the better of MC is going to be. I really wish I had the knowledge to run a board like MBO because this would sure be the straw that would make me create it and I would be willing to bet that many would defect.

MC you have created a place for your customers to congregate but without us you would have nothing.

For those that asked TMC to answer additional questions don't hold your breath. Big Brother only dictates he does not converse.

Off the soap box!:rant:

[MarkP]

Well, I am off to my local MC dealer to buy a prop puller.... :Dlmbf,MO,ao... M O= MasterCraft Owning

[east tx skier]

Funny, usually I don't censor myself after I start drinking. Did I mention I have a good spare prop.

[east tx skier]

Well, I am off to my local MC dealer to buy a prop puller.... :D I take it it's not harmonic? ;)

[east tx skier]

I would guess this came from a supplier that complained to MC and then they checked.

With this editing feature, I can say that I agreed with you all along. But how did said supplier find out. Perhaps there's a mole among us.

[east tx skier]

I for one am not going to appoligize to Mastercraft or anyone else on this board about the extremely successful group buy that I put together. I did it as a service to all of us loyal MC owners that want to improve the enjoyment of their boats. Yeah we saved a wad of cash on a superior product to what is offered by MC or their dealers. I guess the only thing I am sorry about is that a dealer got their panties in a wad because they were not able to participate and they lost a sale or two. No it probably wasn't my group buy that they were bent about but then again maybe it was.

Yep, we are overseen by big brother. MC developed and paid for this board and they have the right to regulate it as they wish. I cannot believe however that they choose to regulate this. The stronger this group is and the more we help each other out and become a community the better of MC is going to be. I really wish I had the knowledge to run a board like MBO because this would sure be the straw that would make me create it and I would be willing to bet that many would defect.

MC you have created a place for your customers to congregate but without us you would have nothing.

For those that asked TMC to answer additional questions don't hold your breath. Big Brother only dictates he does not converse.

Off the soap box!:rant:


Brian, in my opinion, MC would agree with you 100%. I think they're rolling their eyes like we are and just had to make a vague statement to appease an irrate supplier. There are those that love these boats and want to see them perform at their peek, and there are those who just want the buck. Great job on the group buy to all participants and sellers.

[mtrask]

We should be able to put together a deal like the sugeested, or others, and then let the individual dealers bid on it. Seems pretty fair. Keeps it in the family. Seems like the concerned parties should be happy that all parties are trying to keep the business in the mastercraft family. :headbang:

[MarkP]

We should be able to put together a deal like the sugeested, or others, and then let the individual dealers bid on it. Seems pretty fair. Keeps it in the family. Seems like the concerned parties should be happy that all parties are trying to keep the business in the mastercraft family. :headbang:I think its only one "concerned parties"
and he can bite me!!

[east tx skier]

For some reason, I'm not so concerned about the complaining party's happiness. With it off the board, it's not subject to MC's control. They can't eat their cake and have it, too. Just the way it goes.

[bradamerry]

[QUOTE=MarkP]I think its only one "concerned parties"
and he can bite me!![/QUOTE
My man MarkP :worthy: :woohoo: :banana: :banana: I love it!!! I just hope it is Doug's local dealer!!!!

[MarkP]

[QUOTE=MarkP]I think its only one "concerned parties"
and he can bite me!![/QUOTE
My man MarkP :worthy: :woohoo: :banana: I love it!!! I just hope it is Doug's local dealer!!!!
Oops, I did say that aloud:o Thats not like me

[east tx skier]

Brad, I sincerely doubt it's my local dealer. They've not mastered the phone, I sincerely doubt their online capability.

[east tx skier]

Mark, methinks you and I could solve the puzzle without buying vowels if we were so inclined.

[mtrask]

The dealer needs to spend more time working on valid sales and not worrying about ones that have already taken place or occuring..

They should spend time creating and introducing better ideas/deals for us than complaining about the ones we recieved.. Then they may see the benifits of this type of situation..

[BrianM]

TMC has spoken. I may be expelled for this but I am willing to take that risk. Just received the following PM and figured everyone on this board should have the explanation


TMC here,
i know that you probally think that MC is "acting as big brother" Like I said that is not our intentions. As a company we choose to support/endorse certain products. It is a basic buisness practice. To be upfront with you, our prop vendor (oj)was concerned about the Acme buy. It is not fair to OJ, to have a "Acme Buy" on a MC supported web site. That is what sparked the group buy thread. In my eyes the PP buy is legit, we support the use of PP. If you need anymore info. feel free to contact me @ 423-884-2221 ext.1115 I am here for MC owners! I appreciate your understanding.


I respect TMC for giving us the truth.

[east tx skier]

Agreed, but as Mark pointed out the other night, I'm one of those people who rarely forgets such shennanigans. There are lots of good dealers out there. No need for me to patronize a dealer that pulls this nonsense.

[bradamerry]

Thanks BrianM, if there is a problem over your post :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: I will be upset.

[André]

Mark, methinks you and I could solve the puzzle without buying vowels if we were so inclined.
Isn't Y a vowel???

[RackAtak]

The way I look at it is this...I wasn't necessarily in the market for Perfect Pass although I was looking at it. Would I have bought it without a group buy? Probably not. Did the group buy help me make my decision to purchase? Probably so. Did a local dealer miss out on the opportunity to make a sale to me? No, because I probably would not have bought it if it wasn't for the group buy. (and a dealer sold it to me anyway) These group buy things get people thinking about a product and sometimes help to make up their minds on a purchase. Were all nine of us that participated in the Perfect Pass group buy going to have it by summer were it not for the group buy? I would bet not...my 2 cents...

[east tx skier]

BrianM, reading that email. I stand corrected and retract the stuff I danced around above. Interesting that someone from said company was browsing this site (or were they tipped?).

So, as it stands, it would appear we can do group buys on anything that could potentially be purchased from a MC dealer.

Aw heck, lets just do 'em all underground. No more difficult for us, and completely reduces the stress on MC.

[TMC]

I guess that PM does not mean what I thought (private message) Oh well, just trying to make every one satisfied! Can that ever happen? Probally not.. :toast: P.S. Brianm, your on the edge!! Just kiddin, it is only a discussion board dude!

[bradamerry]

I guess that PM does not mean what I thought (private message) Oh well, just trying to make every one satisfied! Can that ever happen? Probally not.. :toast:
Just trying to make it easy on you guys at MC. We all love our boats and what MC stands for :banana: !

[André]

Chris
Wouldn't had been better to see this real explanation first and publicly .
It's more clear when i read your PM than the post!
Be Happy,It's Friday!!!

[east tx skier]

TMC, we'll take care of BrianM. We appreciate your candor, even if it wasn't intentional. ;) Be well.

[Mag_Red]

Perfectly clear to me now........... :steering:

[mtrask]

Well said, let it ride, life is too short

[bradamerry]

Well said, let it ride, life is too short
Can we just talk about sking or swimsuits now?? Don't make me go back to Xposed . com, sorry Captain ;) !

[MarkP]

I guess that PM does not mean what I thought (private message) Oh well, just trying to make every one satisfied! Can that ever happen? Probally not.. :toast: P.S. Brianm, your on the edge!! Just kiddin, it is only a discussion board dude!
Tmc

Lets get rid of him. He has been nothing but trouble. :uglyhamme !!

But seriously, you can do that?? Boy do I have a suggestion.:D .

[milkmania]

dang....gone for a couple days and come back to this:)

although I haven't needed to participate in a "group buy", I've inquired about it witha nation wide stereo dealership, and they declined. I look at the group buy as a means to make a good deal better....as stated, some may not have ppurchased something until it was presented to them as a good deal.
If I were in competition with a product and I saw a competitor with a similiar product cutting some deals, I'd get in there and present my product with a generous offer.....we're only talking 20 or 30 pieces of my product.....looks like that may generate some positive impact in "our" market.

TMC, I respect and understand your thread, and feel you're probably stuck in the middle... these guys around here (TMCOwners.com) are a lot of fun, and can be very creative. I'm confident that most will honor your request and look at other means to make or give good deals.
On the MasterCraft side of things....keep in mind I'd looked somewhat on and off for many years for a boat....done a little research....nothing real intensive.
then one day I saw this MC PS 190 in this dealers lot....turned around and bought it immediately....what I saw first was MasterCraft!
I knew what it was by name only.....good job guys at MC!!!

[bradamerry]

Tmc

Lets get rid of him. He has been nothing but trouble. :uglyhamme !!

But seriously, you can do that?? Boy do I have a suggestion.:D .


My PM is going off the hook, I may be the first to go??? But only the Toolman would miss me :rant: !

[bradamerry]

dang....gone for a couple days and come back to this:)

although I haven't needed to participate in a "group buy", I've inquired about it witha nation wide stereo dealership, and they declined. I look at the group buy as a means to make a good deal better....as stated, some may not have ppurchased something until it was presented to them as a good deal.
If I were in competition with a product and I saw a competitor with a similiar product cutting some deals, I'd get in there and present my product with a generous offer.....we're only talking 20 or 30 pieces of my product.....looks like that may generate some positive impact in "our" market.

TMC, I respect and understand your thread, and feel you're probably stuck in the middle... these guys around here (TMCOwners.com) are a lot of fun, and can be very creative. I'm confident that most will honor your request and look at other means to make or give good deals.
On the MasterCraft side of things....keep in mind I'd looked somewhat on and off for many years for a boat....done a little research....nothing real intensive.
then one day I saw this MC PS 190 in this dealers lot....turned around and bought it immediately....what I saw first was MasterCraft!
I knew what it was by name only.....good job guys at MC!!!
Most of the folks looking for good deals are just trying to get stuff that is way over priced for the sport that they love. MC should try and help the folks that talk up and BUY their product!!!!!! &% is not the only prop on the market! They need MC more then MC needs them!!!! &$ needs boats to put props on and MC needs customers to buy boats.

[MasterMason]

TMC, Thanks for the explination even if you didn't quite mean to give it that way. I don't know what agreement that MC has with OJ, so I won't commit on that. I have an OJ on my boat currently, probably the one that came with it new. I wanted a spare prop incase I need it for a problem one weekend with the boat. I looked and everything I read said that the "other brand" is better. So I think that OJ should be more worried about that perception in the market than if 20 guys with MC's bought the one from the "other guys" just my :twocents: But like I said the first time, it is your board and you let us use it, so you get to make the rules.

[JohnnyB]

TMC,

Group buy or not, I was going to be purchasing an ACME prop this spring because of the success that others have had with them. The group buy just caused me to do it a month sooner. If OJ is wicked off because of 18 sales that went to ACME, maybe they're a bit insecure about their product. Maybe they should've jumped in and offered us OJs at a discount to prove to us their product is superior??? This whole situation is rather disappointing. :mad: For the folks on this site, our passion is our boats and how to make them perform the best for our intended uses -- skiing, barefooting, wakeboarding, tubing, etc. Daily discussion on this board is littered with questions about brand products for boating and which ones work the best. I don't think anybody cares if it is current fare on an MC boat as much as they care about getting the best performance for their hard earned dollar.....that's what led me to MC in the first place. OJ should consider picking better battles than something petty like this. :twocents:

When our frozen lakes up here thaw, I intend to post before and after pics of my wake with the stock prop vs. my new ACME. If OJ wants to send me a prop that they think will make the most improvement in my performance and wake, I'd be happy to include them in my comparison. Have them PM me for the shipping address and other pertinent info :D

Thanks for sponsoring the site, I learn many things everyday from this site about more than just MC boats.

[Jim@BAWS]

After reading this thread... as it grew I was wondering if and when I was to get a email from TTADMIN. No emails...and not a negative feedback on the PP Group buy. I won't go in the discussion of posting the price that was paid for the systems. It was not a standard profit deal. The thing that made it worth the time was ANDRE'S persistance. He did ALL the front end work for you guys. BAWS entered the thread a few posts in and offered to help. Everyone that participated got a break...worth there time and money to get the discount...not huge but enough to make it work. Basically a NO BRAINER for me. Andre makes a EXCEL list with boat model. engine type, desired system, address and phone #. Everyone called me on Mon w/ there CC # (that was not Andre's job) I rally everyone on Mon via phone, fax PP the list they confirm and drop ship. As a matter of fact each unit had a EXTRA $12 drop ship charge($12 x 9) that I picked up because someone a PP did not tell me. I qouted out the pricing and stuck with it.
Was it worth it?...HELL YA. Those guys and others will now call BAWS with the smallest request and we will do what we can to fullfill it. Did anyone person buy a NEW or USED boat from us? No as a matter of fact the closest customer was in N Georgia. Would I have done this on a Saturday? HELL NO. It was simple. everyone put there faith in each other. It worked withour a GLITCH. The only glitch was I had a incorrect EXP date on 1 CC...happened to be Andre's thank goodness. It was in French it needed to be in English.

Thanks to all...it went perfect...any comments?

Jim@BAWS

[MasterMason]

After reading this thread... as it grew I was wondering if and when I was to get a email from TTADMIN. No emails...and not a negative feedback on the PP Group buy. I won't go in the discussion of posting the price that was paid for the systems. It was not a standard profit deal. The thing that made it worth the time was ANDRE'S persistance. He did ALL the front end work for you guys. BAWS entered the thread a few posts in and offered to help. Everyone that participated got a break...worth there time and money to get the discount...not huge but enough to make it work. Basically a NO BRAINER for me. Andre makes a EXCEL list with boat model. engine type, desired system, address and phone #. Everyone called me on Mon w/ there CC # (that was not Andre's job) I rally everyone on Mon via phone, fax PP the list they confirm and drop ship. As a matter of fact each unit had a EXTRA $12 drop ship charge($12 x 9) that I picked up because someone a PP did not tell me. I qouted out the pricing and stuck with it.
Was it worth it?...HELL YA. Those guys and others will now call BAWS with the smallest request and we will do what we can to fullfill it. Did anyone person buy a NEW or USED boat from us? No as a matter of fact the closest customer was in N Georgia. Would I have done this on a Saturday? HELL NO. It was simple. everyone put there faith in each other. It worked withour a GLITCH. The only glitch was I had a incorrect EXP date on 1 CC...happened to be Andre's thank goodness. It was in French it needed to be in English.

Thanks to all...it went perfect...any comments?

Jim@BAWS


Yes I will commit. I got my PP today and I am thrilled. Everyone was very professional, followed through with what they said they would do, and you now have 9 guys that are incredibly happy with there boats, new systems, and Jim@BAWS. I live in CA But I will happly do business with Jim any chance I might get. I'll even offer to cover the extra shipping costs for mine if you would like me to. I think everyone benifited, no one was hurt and all are happy. Sounds like good business to me

[bradamerry]

That is great and I'm sure Jim and everybody that bought a PP in the deal will be happy. And Andre' must have done a great job getting it together :worthy: . Seems to me that %$ is over reacting on this deal and maybe MC should look into Acme for some stuff. Wiley Coyote always used them ;) :uglyhamme !!!

[MarkP]

Wiley Coyote always used them ;) :uglyhamme !!!But how seccessful was Wiley??

[bradamerry]

But how seccessful was Wiley??
But we all still watch :purplaugh .

[JohnnyB]

I received my package from the UPS guy with pride because I actually received something with ACME in big letters on the box just like my hero Wiley!!!!

[bradamerry]

I received my package from the UPS guy with pride because I actually received something with ACME in big letters on the box just like my hero Wiley!!!!
Did it blow up :confused: ?

[ski_king]

Wiley Coyote always used them ;) :uglyhamme !!!
Wiley E. Coyote vs Acme (http://www.reelscene.com/other/lawsuit1.html)

[Jim@BAWS]

ACME PASS GROUP BUY

Who is in?

[BrianM]

ACME PASS GROUP BUY

Who is in?

ME! :D

[kskib046]

ACME PASS GROUP BUY?? Sounds like I might need two those, count me in.

How about a Group buy MC Clothing? I was looking at a sweatshirt in the ProShop, $18 bucks for S&H!!! I passed that great deal up.

[Leroy]

Doug; Hmmm, go away for kids soccer and looks like my PM to you at the beginning did not go through, figured this was the problem from the beginning, now with all on the table, think the burden is on MC. If there is a better prop out there like Acme claims and several people support why isn't this on the best ski boat out there. The facts speak for people who desire the best. Is MC making a financial decision? Will no one else see this. It's not us, we are just the market, if MC doesn't hear it now they will later in boat purchases.......hey Pluto, are we on double secret probation....food fight!!!

There is stuff in the boat market where you feel ripped off. Group buy is such a small, but noble movement, but I think gaining strength now thanks to BrianM and Andre actions which resulted in many happy buys. When I bought my MC new I thought I paid for the best and expect the best. I think this board should be about the best skiing, best products, and best boat that exists.

I'm starting a company visit me at www.group.buy.com (http://www.group.buy.com). American capitalist pig in action :) Make "group buy" a verb like 'ebay' or 'google'. At first I winced, but now I don't think there is anything wrong with a group buy.

[Jim@BAWS]

Leroy,
When will your website be up? I went to www.group.buy.com said
website not found. Maybe without the period between group and buy.

Maybe I can start one to www.acmepass.com even a coyote can use it.


Jim@BAWS

[Leroy]

Sorry Jim; It's not a real site, but I do like the concept!

[André]

Jim
Once again ,Thanks you!
Everybody got their systems yesterday and are very pleased.
The service,the price ,the attitude ,everything was perfect from everybody involved in this project.
The way we were treated from long distance can only show how a customer on site experience can be at BAWS.
Hoping to shake your hand one day...( Actually,today would be a good day,still snowing here!)
Take Care!
André

[east tx skier]

Looks like you guys got it all sorted out without me. Decided at the last minute to hit the lake for the weekend. Water wasn't much above 60, but we were the only ski boat out there (and the fishermen weren't moving much). Good times.

Some of you guys with the 351Ws ought to organize a group buy (elsewhere) for edelbrock intakes. The gains in my case were really noticeable.

[Ric]

TMC has spoken. I may be expelled for this but I am willing to take that risk. Just received the following PM and figured everyone on this board should have the explanation




I respect TMC for giving us the truth.

Correct me if I'm wrong.... My memory isn't as good as ETX, but hasn't eric always been one to make a stink? I seem to remember some decent arguments btwn him and others on message boards in the past. His current complaints may be typical dealings for MC?????
I watched the posts back then and said uh-uh.... not the way you handle it if you're the manufacturer....

[Brn85ss]

All this talk in code,now I know what my Romanian friend was talking about! :noface:

[east tx skier]

Who's eric?

[PendO]

This is an old thread ... but start to finish it was a good read:)

[Ric]

ump this is what I was talking about... group buys are not allowed on here and you can get banned for talking about one

[BriEOD]

UMP didn't know that?

[bcampbe7]

UMP didn't know that?

He did, he just thought he could pull one over us. ;) :D :rolleyes:

[BriEOD]

He should have done a poll about it. :uglyhamme

[Ric]

He should have done a poll about it. :uglyhamme
the pollster went gonzo man, he wanted 1 of each ski HO made under my deal :uglyhamme I just hope he intended on reselling them inside of his territory :cool:

[bradamerry]

Why did you have to bring me into this????? :confused: I was just sitting here minding my own business... Group buys, who started this all over again??


I'd say Brad's email list, but I don't think what he's forwarding is a MC-branded product. At least I don't think that's what that tattoo said. ;)

The answer, of course, is that this is a MC Corporate run board, which is a distinguishing characteristic between it and the other well-populated boards of the other large inboard companies. The other boards are user sponsored. Thus, they can do the group buys and are populated by owners of other than just the name on the web address (can you tell I'm being vague). They will happily let you participate in their group buys. They will also tell you how great their boats are and encourage you to buy them. It's a side-effect of having to go elsewhere for something you want, but it does not diminish the validity of the reason MC doesn't want us doing things on this board that runs afoul with its contracts with its dealers.

Sure, in the end, it'd probably be better for them if we stayed on this board and didn't venture out for the group buys, but that's the way it goes.

[Upper Michigan Prostar190]

Why did you have to bring me into this????? :confused: I was just sitting here minding my own business... Group buys, who started this all over again??Dont worry Brad, I was dragged unwittingly into this prank myself. :wavey: